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mth123
09-15-2011, 03:14 AM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110914&content_id=24705770&notebook_id=24706806&vkey=notebook_cin&c_id=cin

redsof72
09-15-2011, 10:02 AM
In a related note, Daniel Tuttle will be coming off his suspension after about five games of 2012, I think.

SirFelixCat
09-15-2011, 09:55 PM
Sounds like it was from using a nasal decongestant. Good to see it's something "minor" and not a hardcore PED. Hopefully, lesson learned and he learns to get with trainers before putting anything in his body.

kaldaniels
09-15-2011, 10:50 PM
Sounds like it was from using a nasal decongestant. Good to see it's something "minor" and not a hardcore PED. Hopefully, lesson learned and he learns to get with trainers before putting anything in his body.

What decongestant has that ingredient in it?

icehole3
09-16-2011, 05:12 AM
What decongestant has that ingredient in it?

steroids are in a lot of prescription meds, I have asthma and use meds that have a small amount of roids in it, he may have been fighting an infection

SirFelixCat
09-18-2011, 01:04 AM
Apparently it's in a lot of supplements under a plethora of different names. (http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/2011/03/methylhexaneamine-1-3-dimethylamylamine.html)

Like I said earlier, I don't think the kid really did anything wrong here, just learned a hard lesson to clear the things he puts in his body by the team trainer...


Actually, this raises a question that I don't know the answer to: Do minor league teams have trainers that are thorough on their knowledge of what is allowed and disallowed, supplement/drug wise? I know that MLB players have a ton of resources to make sure, but not sure about the guys in the minors.

Anyone know?

redsof72
09-19-2011, 09:14 AM
Yes, the trainers are on top of that. If a player has a sore throat or anything else, he goes to the trainer. The trainer gives the player the appropriate medication. If the illness needs to go to the next level, the trainer gets the player in to see the team doctor, who writes a prescription. It is all very much by the book. The team doctor or trainer would never prescribe something that was going to result in a positive test. Typically, a player would not be in a Walgreens. He would just go to the trainer.

In terms of supplements or something you might buy at GNC (or even some energy drinks), players can check with the trainer if they have any doubts.

kaldaniels
09-21-2011, 06:36 AM
steroids are in a lot of prescription meds, I have asthma and use meds that have a small amount of roids in it, he may have been fighting an infection

Baseball tests for anabolic steroids, not the type you reference.

billy bob
09-21-2011, 08:52 AM
Guys its time to stop trying to kid yourself about this matter.

camisadelgolf
09-21-2011, 10:27 AM
Personally, I'm glad that Cole Green is competitive and cared so much about doing well that he was willing to explore every avenue. Hopefully he learned his lesson and moves on without another hitch.

kaldaniels
09-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Guys its time to stop trying to kid yourself about this matter.

I was trying to get folks to come to that conclusion in a slightly different way, but I gotta agree with you. :thumbup:

dougdirt
09-21-2011, 02:35 PM
Guys its time to stop trying to kid yourself about this matter.

Not everyone is trying to cheat. About two months ago an NFL player won a multi-million dollar lawsuit against a company because he tested positive for steroids because of their product he was using that was supposed to be steroid free. Sometimes these things happen. While I am not sure I buy everyone's excuse, that doesn't mean that they are all lying when they say that they weren't trying to take steroids.

redsof72
09-21-2011, 02:43 PM
Probably fairly innocent but more stupid than anything. Most likely, a case of a player thinking he was getting a little extra energy out of some supplement that someone turned him onto at some point, maybe even a product you could buy over the counter, and the player did not stop to think about the possibility of getting caught or whether the supplement might have a substance that would trigger a positive.

It is not always about having the extra energy in the game, either. Guy pitches on a Saturday night, then there is a day game the next day, strength/conditioning coach wants him to get his running in early. He might have gone out for a while after the game. They are college-age. Or those 6 a.m. wake up calls to catch the team bus for the next city come pretty early after a game that ended at 11 p.m. the night before. You are supposed to be able to deal with it within the rules, though.

It is not always the stereotypical image of the muscle bound player injecting himself with a syringe. Some clubhouses have stopped providing Red Bull and other similar products to avoid the liability of being linked to a player failing a test.

Any player with a brain MUST check with the trainer on this stuff to protect themselves but sometimes they don't want to for various reasons. Hard lesson.

kaldaniels
09-21-2011, 11:34 PM
Not everyone is trying to cheat. About two months ago an NFL player won a multi-million dollar lawsuit against a company because he tested positive for steroids because of their product he was using that was supposed to be steroid free. Sometimes these things happen. While I am not sure I buy everyone's excuse, that doesn't mean that they are all lying when they say that they weren't trying to take steroids.

Methylhexaneamine was the substance tested positive for.

I take issue with the notion that it was in the form of a nasal decongesant, which is what an early post in this thread implied. Just what nasal decongestant are we talking about, and where would one get it at? This isn't something you just pick up at your local CVS. Starting with the article's author, I just think sometimes people don't know what they are talking about.

texasdave
09-22-2011, 12:07 AM
Methylhexaneamine was the substance tested positive for.

I take issue with the notion that it was in the form of a nasal decongesant, which is what an early post in this thread implied. Just what nasal decongestant are we talking about, and where would one get it at? This isn't something you just pick up at your local CVS. Starting with the article's author, I just think sometimes people don't know what they are talking about.

http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/2011/03/methylhexaneamine-1-3-dimethylamylamine.html

kaldaniels
09-22-2011, 12:39 AM
nm

kaldaniels
09-22-2011, 12:40 AM
http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/2011/03/methylhexaneamine-1-3-dimethylamylamine.html

Whats your point? Like I said, give me a name of a nasal decongestant that I can purchase at my local drug store that contains it (or a website link that I can buy it from).

Do you have any personal knowledge on this drug, or are you just looking to prove me wrong?

kaldaniels
09-22-2011, 12:46 AM
I'm not trying to cause problems either, I am just trying to shoot down the notion that poor Cole Green had a stuffy nose, and his med caused him to flunk a drug test.

texasdave
09-22-2011, 09:03 AM
Do you have any personal knowledge on this drug, or are you just looking to prove me wrong?

Neither. I thought you asked a question. I just googled the word and that popped up. So I posted the link. Thought it might be of interest. I have no idea whether he was cheating or not.

redsof72
09-22-2011, 10:06 AM
You are correct that most of us do not have any expertise in this area and we are speculating. Guessing might be a better way to put it.

redsof72
09-22-2011, 05:59 PM
Right on cue, USA Today ran a front page story today that touches on some of what I referred to in post 13 in this thread. The banning of energy drinks and related products are subject of the article and it is worth a read:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/story/2011-09-21/Baseball-energy-drinks-Red-Bull/50498950/1

I am not necessarily buying the clubs' concerns over the health of the players so much as protection against potential lawsuits if they were providing the players with the energy drinks and there was a resulting health issue or a particular energy drink included a banned substance (more the concern I have heard). But the point is, as I wrote and as the article states, some teams are banning energy drinks from the clubhouse.