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Doc. Scott
09-16-2011, 03:07 PM
Just guessing based on the rosters at this moment. The official list will be out shortly. I could have missed someone or put someone on here that shouldn't be here.

AAA: LHS "Crafty" Tom Cochran (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=458911), RHR Jerry Gil (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=430667), RHP Brandon Hynick (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=502001), RHS Chad Reineke (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=448656), LHP Clayton Tanner (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=502388), LHR Travis Webb (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=453365), C Corky Miller (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=280061), C James Skelton (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=456050), INF Jose Castro (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=452765), 1B-3B Mike Costanzo (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=453068), 1B-OF Danny Dorn (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=457760), OF Quintin Berry (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=450641), OF David Cook (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=449803), OF Denis Phipps (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=RF&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=464426), UT Mike Griffin (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=t416&t=p_pbp&pid=446422).

If RHS Daryl Thompson, RHR Jordan Smith, INF Chris Valaika, or INF Kris Negron are removed from the 40-man, they're basically in the same bucket.

AA: RHS James Avery (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=460070), RHR Tim Gustafson (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=453170), LHR Tim Hamulack (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=425787), RHS Matt Klinker (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=518895), RHS Justin Lehr (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=430680), RHP Kyle McCulloch (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=453190), RHR Chris Mobley (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=452059), RHS Josh Ravin (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=502051), 1B-3B Eric Campbell (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=t249&t=p_pbp&pid=448274)

High-A: RHR Tyree Hayes (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t423&t=p_pbp&pid=501928), DH Jorge Jimenez (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=t423&t=p_pbp&pid=501892)

There's more of these guys this year than we've had in the past. Part of that is the Reds' talent bubble in the high minors running out of time, and part of it is the gaggle of mercs the organization brought in when it looked like Carolina was trying to set a record for worst winning percentage in April and May.

Who do you re-sign, and why? The Reds brought Phipps back a couple of times when he hadn't gone on a giant multi-month tear, so it seems obvious they do it here. I also like Webb; he has control issues but was extremely hard to hit after moving to the bullpen. Tanner had been exclusively a starter in the Giants system; perhaps he's worth a shot as a situational lefty? Berry could be the prototypical fifth outfielder; he draws far more walks than most players of his type.

Those are the main ones for me. Remember that when you bring back a guy, he's taking a spot that could go to a prospect- so be judicious. And a lot of times guys want a fresh start somewhere else- this could be especially important for a guy like Phipps- he faces a crowded depth chart and wasn't called up in September despite batting .380 at Louisville.

cinreds21
09-16-2011, 04:02 PM
Hynick, Webb, Dorn, Klinker, McCulloch and Ravin are not free agents.

camisadelgolf
09-16-2011, 06:16 PM
I would also add Jose Gualdon and Ruben Medina.

corkedbat
09-16-2011, 06:23 PM
I would also add Jose Gualdon and Ruben Medina.

I'd put Phipps on the 40-man for at least one year. I count at least seven or eight names I'd remove for younger guys and I think there could be at least two or three deal where the Reds send two or three for one.

I was thinking Eric Campbell was a MiL FA also. If he is, I'd like to see them bring him back. If he isn't, good.

Doc. Scott
09-16-2011, 06:57 PM
Got Campbell above. Gualdron has only been here five years. Medina I missed- looks like he's got six.

mth123
09-16-2011, 07:18 PM
Pretty much all the must adds are already on the 40 man. Some guys are coming off (Hernandez, Cordero, Willis, Renteria) others are iffy (Negron, Thompson, Valaika, Smith) so I'd add the younger ones who may be eligible for rule 5 or free agency. My adds would be Phipps, Webb, Tanner, Campbell and Rojas if necessary. I'd try to bring Berry back on a minor league deal. Otherwise, I'd leave room for yoinger guys to move up and not clog the rosters with vets (maybe a pitcher or two or some fallen one time hot prospect similar to the moves for Hermida and Willis). I'd bring back Corky on a minor league deal. The Reds still have several catchers to mentor (Grandal, Coddington, Fleury, Barnhardt...).

camisadelgolf
09-16-2011, 08:22 PM
Got Campbell above. Gualdron has only been here five years. Medina I missed- looks like he's got six.
Gualdron signed on 2/28/2005. 2011 was his 7th season with the Reds.

Doc. Scott
09-16-2011, 08:25 PM
Gotcha, was looking at years instead of signing date.

Doc. Scott
09-16-2011, 08:34 PM
Hynick, Webb, Dorn, Klinker, McCulloch and Ravin are not free agents.

Klinker I get- but all of the other five are 2006 draftees/signees. Sure seem like six-year free agents to me.

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EDIT: Apparently not. Well, I learned something. I was certain the signing year counted as a season played.

cinreds21
09-16-2011, 08:40 PM
Klinker I get- but all of the other five are 2006 draftees/signees. Sure seem like six-year free agents to me.

It's if you were drafted/signed in 2005, I.E. Avery, Griffin and Castro. Klinker tole me he has two more years, meaning he won't be a free agent until after 2013.

camisadelgolf
09-17-2011, 05:51 PM
To qualify as a six-year mlfa, you have to have at least six full years under contract.

JaxRed
09-17-2011, 07:21 PM
My adds would be Phipps, Webb, Tanner, Campbell and Rojas if necessary.

Do you mean you'd add them to the 40? Phipps is only guy out of that group I see as possibly being added to the 40.

mth123
09-17-2011, 09:06 PM
Do you mean you'd add them to the 40? Phipps is only guy out of that group I see as possibly being added to the 40.

If necessary to keep them from becoming free agents. I think the Reds will have plenty of room this year. All the must haves are on the 40 man and a lot of guys will/should come off after the year.

cinreds21
09-18-2011, 02:26 AM
Do you mean you'd add them to the 40? Phipps is only guy out of that group I see as possibly being added to the 40.

I'm almost certain Webb will be added on. Numerous scouts said they would take him in a heartbeat if available. We will see though, I guess.

HalKing
09-19-2011, 05:46 AM
Corky Miller is a guy I would re-sign every year until he retires. His value is way beyond what stats reveal. Tom Cochran had a very surprising year in Louisville and should be re-signed. He may be a late bloomer or this year could have been a fluke. Either way I take another look. Same could be said for Reineke, although I think AAA is his ceiling. A solid AAA starter is a good guy to have around though as they are always needed within an organization. Phipps is a guy that I absolutely say that you do not let him get away. Not at this stage of his career. He had a monster season. The guy looks and plays like Alfonso Soriano(circa Rangers and Nationals years) with the plus of being a good outfielder. The other AAA guys mentioned are pretty much AAA fodder and you could take em or leave em based on organizational need. Castro is probably a keeper as a utility guy. Gil pitches good about 50% of his appearances.

mth123
10-30-2011, 06:25 AM
Bumping this thread to see if we can come up with a solid list now.

First The Pitchers:

Chad Reineke has already opted for Free Agency. Tim Hamulack and Tyree Hayes have already been released.

Other pitchers who seem to be FA

Cochran
Mobley
Avery
Gil
Gustafson
Lehr

Others in question would seem to be Ruben Medina who was an IFA in 2004 and Doug Salinas who was an IFA in July of 2005. I think that both are FA. the 2006 guys like Tanner, Webb, Hynick and McCulloch are not FA if I understand it.

On the poistion player side, besides Corky Miller who is on this list every year

Cook
Costanzo
Griffin
Campbell
Skelton

Others in question would be Jose Gauldron and Carlos Mendez who were both signed as IFA in February of 2005 and Miguel Rojas who was an IFA signed in November of 2005. I'm guessing that Mendez and Gauldron are FA and Rojas is not.

My question is about guys who have already been FA but don't have the service time. Quentin Berry and Clayton Tanner are examples of guys the Reds signed as FA. From a year entered standpoint, I don't think these guys are eligible, but I'm thinking once they've been FA, they are eligible but that could be completely wrong. I'd like to have both of those guys back next year (especially Tanner) and wonder about their status.

Anyone with info, lets see if we can get a complete list that we all agree is correct.

cinreds21
10-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Correct on all accounts.

Scrap Irony
10-30-2011, 09:16 PM
Any idea on the other minor league free agents yet, Doc?

cinreds21
10-30-2011, 10:48 PM
Me? I dunno.

LoganBuck
11-01-2011, 02:34 PM
Not sure if it belongs here, but the Yankees have parted ways with once uber draft prospect and local boy Andrew Brackman. He has had health issues and his control was terrible this year. Is he worth a NRI and minor league slot?

lollipopcurve
11-01-2011, 02:39 PM
Not sure if it belongs here, but the Yankees have parted ways with once uber draft prospect and local boy Andrew Brackman. He has had health issues and his control was terrible this year. Is he worth a NRI and minor league slot?

Definitely.

Edd Roush
11-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Not sure if it belongs here, but the Yankees have parted ways with once uber draft prospect and local boy Andrew Brackman. He has had health issues and his control was terrible this year. Is he worth a NRI and minor league slot?

I have followed Drew's career very closely since he attended my high school and he is related to one of my very good freinds.

I would love for the Reds to take a flyer on Drew just because he is a local boy, but I really hold no expectations for him ever developing into a useful pitcher.

His BB/9 this past year (in 96 IP) was 7.0 and his K rate shrank to 7.0. A K:BB ratio of 1 is not going to cut it. Furthermore, I watched both of his outings in the bigs last September and I could tell from that video that his stuff just isn't the same as it was in high school. His velocity was barely breaking 90 after he used to touch triple digits.

Unfortunately, he just isn't the same guy the Yankees drafted in the first round. If he wasn't a local guy who I knew, I don't think there is a way I would want the Reds to waste their time on him, but maybe a change of scenery can help him out. His 2010 numbers were passable 8.1 K/9, 2.5 BB/9 in 140.2, but last year was disheartening to say the least.

cinreds21
11-01-2011, 03:08 PM
Dang, he had a clause in his contract that the Yankees would have to release him if they didn't pick up his option.

camisadelgolf
11-02-2011, 02:19 AM
I believe the following players are minor league free agents:
C Corky Miller
C James Skelton
3B/1B Mike Costanzo
3B/1B Carlos Mendez
SS Miguel Rojas
IF Jose Castro
IF Jose Gualdron
OF David Cook
UT Eric Campbell
UT Mike Griffin

SP Chad Reineke
SP Justin Lehr
SP Tom Cochran
SP James Avery
SP Daryl Thompson
RP Jerry Gil
RP Chris Mobley
RP Jared Burton
RP Ruben Medina
RP Doug Salinas

Of the players above, I'd like to keep the following around on minor league contracts:
Corky Miller or James Skelton - the Reds could use a AAA catcher
Miguel Rojas - you can never have enough defense in the minors
Eric Campbell - maybe the Reds found something?
Daryl Thompson - I'm not ready to give up on him
Jerry Gil - he has made so much progress, and it'd be nice to see the Reds finally reap some benefits from it

mace
11-02-2011, 10:41 AM
I like your choices. That said, I wouldn't mind them hanging onto both Miller (who's just special, in his own way) and Skelton (not a bad talent for catcher depth). And, although I don't see him as a major-leaguer, Avery has done some good things and seems to be liked by the organization.

Rojas is a must, in my view. And Campbell is certainly intriguing.

cinreds21
11-02-2011, 12:28 PM
Cam, I don't believe Rojas is a free agent. Not 100 percent sure, but pretty confident. Also, Tim Gustafason and Quintin Berrt are free agents as well.

camisadelgolf
11-02-2011, 05:37 PM
Cam, I don't believe Rojas is a free agent. Not 100 percent sure, but pretty confident. Also, Tim Gustafason and Quintin Berrt are free agents as well.
I wasn't sure about Gustafson and Berry since neither have six full years of service time, but I figured the Reds might've signed a couple of the guys mentioned above to two-year contracts e.g. Clayton Tanner.

As for Rojas, he was signed in November of '05, which I believe would give him six full years of service time.

cinreds21
11-02-2011, 08:51 PM
I wasn't sure about Gustafson and Berry since neither have six full years of service time, but I figured the Reds might've signed a couple of the guys mentioned above to two-year contracts e.g. Clayton Tanner.

As for Rojas, he was signed in November of '05, which I believe would give him six full years of service time.

Yeah I know for sure Gus is a free agent. Almost positive about Q Berry. And they signed Tanner to a two-year deal?


And I think it's if you played a "full" year in 05. Rojas didn't play until 06.

mth123
11-02-2011, 09:02 PM
Yeah I know for sure Gus is a free agent. Almost positive about Q Berry. And they signed Tanner to a two-year deal?


And I think it's if you played a "full" year in 05. Rojas didn't play until 06.

06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11. That's six full seasons.

camisadelgolf
11-02-2011, 09:06 PM
I don't know for sure that Tanner signed a two-year contract. I just know it'd be weird for him to sign a contract just to pitch one game for an organization. That's usually reserved for publicity stunts and whatnot. The Reds have a need at pitcher, and Louisville is a great place to play, so I could see what the draw would be for Tanner to sign on for more than the last few days of the season.

mth123
11-02-2011, 09:23 PM
I don't know for sure that Tanner signed a two-year contract. I just know it'd be weird for him to sign a contract just to pitch one game for an organization. That's usually reserved for publicity stunts and whatnot. The Reds have a need at pitcher, and Louisville is a great place to play, so I could see what the draw would be for Tanner to sign on for more than the last few days of the season.

I hope the Reds hold on to Tanner. Suddenly the Reds are left with very little at AAA for rotation depth. He was a 3rd round pick in 2007. He was nothing great, but at least he came into last year as one of SF's top 30 prospects and his minor league numbers haven't been awful. He's only 23, he's a lefty and being from Australia may make him a little bit of a late bloomer compared to others. I prefer him at AAA to some 28 Y/O career minor leaguer. All the other guys slated for AAA look like they are well past any prospect days.

Heck, I'd stick him on the 40 man roster. I don't really see anyobdy who isn't already on that they absolutely have to add. Maybe H-Rod. Not really any others.

cinreds21
11-02-2011, 10:32 PM
06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11. That's six full seasons.

Right. But it's guys who were drafted in 05 (played in 05.) That half season may not count. It is quite tedious.

mth123
11-03-2011, 12:49 AM
Right. But it's guys who were drafted in 05 (played in 05.) That half season may not count. It is quite tedious.

I thought it was 6 full seasons in the minors. If he signed in November of 05, its the same as if he was drafted in June of 05 correct? It still leads to being in an organization for 6 full seasons.

cinreds21
11-03-2011, 01:09 AM
I thought it was 6 full seasons in the minors. If he signed in November of 05, its the same as if he was drafted in June of 05 correct? It still leads to being in an organization for 6 full seasons.

I don't know.

cinreds21
11-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Offical list:


Cincinnati Reds (17)
RHP: James Avery (AA), Jerry Gil (AAA), Tim Gustafson (AA), Justin Lehr (AA), Ruben Medina (Hi A), Chris Mobley (AA), Doug Salinas (Hi A)
C: Corky Miller (AAA), James Skelton (AAA)
1B: Carlos Mendez (Hi A)
2B: Jose Castro (AAA), Jose Gualdron (Hi A)
3B: Eric Campbell (AA), Mike Costanzo (AAA)
OF: Quintin Berry (AAA), David Cook (AAA), Michael Griffin (AAA)

Miguel Rojas is NOT a free agent. :)

mace
11-04-2011, 05:32 PM
So, what's the deal with these dudes? Is there a window in which the organization can negotiate with them exclusively, or are the Reds now simply in the bidding with everybody else?

Campbell and Berry were very good signs this year. I hope they're retained. Avery may be worth another shot, considering the lack of pitching depth in the organization. Gil, as well. Corky is obviously valuable, and Skelton earns points for competency at an important position.

cinreds21
11-04-2011, 05:52 PM
They had a period. I don't know when that period ended (sometime in October I believe.) So now it's fair game.

mace
11-04-2011, 06:56 PM
Thanks, 21. I suppose that means there might have been other potential free agents whom they already re-upped.

cinreds21
11-04-2011, 06:58 PM
As in?

mace
11-04-2011, 08:46 PM
I don't know who they might be, if any. Just seems like there were more names on the initial list.

mth123
11-04-2011, 08:53 PM
As in?

Cochran?

cinreds21
11-04-2011, 08:53 PM
Possibly. Cochran should be on it. Can't think of anymore off the top of my head though.

batsfan
11-04-2011, 10:34 PM
Cochran?

He was released.

savafan
11-05-2011, 11:49 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/11/minor-league-free-agents-2011/

Complete list of all teams' minor league free agents

Gallen5862
11-09-2011, 07:20 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/11/minor-league-transactions-nov-3-7/#more-13413

Cincinnati Reds
Signed: C Corky Miller (re-signed), OF Daryl Jones
The Cardinals had high hopes for their ’05 third-rounder Daryl Jones, but the athletic outfielder stalled at Double-A with too little range or instincts for center and too little power for a corner. The 24-year-old batted .263/.353/.389 over 1,168 plate appearances for Springfield, where he spent the bulk of the past four seasons

Gallen5862
11-09-2011, 07:21 PM
I am glad to see that Corky Miller is back.

lollipopcurve
11-09-2011, 07:23 PM
I am glad to see that Corky Miller is back.

Second that.

cinreds21
11-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Costanzo re-signed.

Jerry Gil has signed with Toronto and Eric Campbell has signed with Seattle. Outfielder Quintin Berry has signed with Detroit.

mdccclxix
11-17-2011, 01:49 PM
I'm disappointed to see Campbell leave. His family is from the area and would have like to see him as a Red.

cinreds21
01-07-2012, 04:03 AM
Right-handed pitcher James Avery has signed with the Detroit Tigers.

cinreds21
01-09-2012, 04:20 PM
Catcher James Skelton has signed with the Washington Nationals.

Gallen5862
01-12-2012, 08:39 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/01/minor-league-transactions-jan-4-10/

Cincinnati Reds
Signed: RHP Jean Duque, RHP Tim Gustafson (re-signed), RHP John Holdzkom, C Rafael Vera

cinreds21
01-13-2012, 07:54 AM
Kinda surprised we re-signed Gus.

muddie
01-13-2012, 05:44 PM
Kinda surprised we re-signed Gus.

What do you mean "we"...traitor.:D

camisadelgolf
01-13-2012, 06:08 PM
What do you mean "we"...traitor.:D
What do you mean "traitor"...look at his username.:D

muddie
03-04-2012, 10:47 AM
Trying to avoid a new thread for this...

Quentin Berry was 1-2 yesterday with Detroit against Atlanta in the lead-off spot. He replaced Austin Jackson after Jackson batted three times and K'd twice (just like last year). I would love to have seen Berry stay in the Reds organization.
James Avery is also in Lakeland with Detroit.

cinreds21
05-23-2012, 05:58 PM
Quintin Berry has been called up by the Tigers. So happy for my boy Lonnie.

dougdirt
05-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Quintin Berry has been called up by the Tigers. So happy for my boy Lonnie.

Glad for him. He was an intriguing guy who I thought had a chance to be an extra outfielder.

cinreds21
05-23-2012, 08:55 PM
Same here Doug. One of my favorites last year.

cinreds21
06-07-2012, 07:55 PM
Daryl Thompson was released by the Twins a week ago. He was 1-5 with a 4.71 ERA in nine starts for Triple-A Rochester.

cinreds21
07-07-2012, 10:59 PM
Seattle released Eric Campbell.

Andddd San Francisco brought back recently released Clayton Tanner.