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Vottomatic
09-21-2011, 05:38 PM
Drew Stubbs for Wandy Rodriguez straight up?

Reds would have to be willing to take on payroll.

brm7675
09-21-2011, 05:45 PM
Tough call, doubt the Stros would do it, would have to add in someone like maybe LeCure or even Wood to get that deal done.

DocRed
09-21-2011, 07:59 PM
Why the hell would the Astros want Stubbs?!?

brm7675
09-21-2011, 08:04 PM
Why the hell would the Astros want Stubbs?!?

Because he is talented?

nux fan
09-21-2011, 08:05 PM
stubbs typical example of reds overpricing their wares and continuing to invest in a guy cause he is a first round pick

He is goinng to be like toher legendary first rounders
Scott Scudder
Pat Pacillio
Pat Osburn
David Espinoza

and on and on

brm7675
09-21-2011, 08:08 PM
stubbs typical example of reds overpricing their wares and continuing to invest in a guy cause he is a first round pick

He is goinng to be like toher legendary first rounders
Scott Scudder
Pat Pacillio
Pat Osburn
David Espinoza

and on and on

Wow able to evaluate talent after all of two seasons.....:thumbup:

texasdave
09-21-2011, 08:12 PM
Wow able to evaluate talent after all of two seasons.....:thumbup:

You claim to be able to.

brm7675
09-21-2011, 08:15 PM
You claim to be able to.

On players who have been around for a while you can, Stubbs has 2 seasons in the show so far. There is no way at this point to be able to tell what he can or can't do. If he can address his K issue which I don't see why he can't, he can be a very good CF for this team for the forecomeing future.

Red Raindog
09-21-2011, 08:51 PM
On players who have been around for a while you can, Stubbs has 2 seasons in the show so far. There is no way at this point to be able to tell what he can or can't do. If he can address his K issue which I don't see why he can't, he can be a very good CF for this team for the forecomeing future.

I would love to see these names --- the players that have struck out more than 200 times in a season that greatly improved in that category.

Krawhitham
09-21-2011, 09:25 PM
Why the hell would the Astros want Stubbs?!?

He is a good substitute when a fan breaks

Krawhitham
09-21-2011, 09:32 PM
Wow able to evaluate talent after all of two seasons.....:thumbup:

Stubbs is 2 1/2 years older than Bruce

The problem with Stubbs is two fold

They have someone the same age that puts up better numbers
He is worse this season than last

Get something for him that helps the team and play HI-C in center next season

Yonder will be in LF and Bruce in RF

Hi-C should get playing time over Stubbs, why waste Stubbs on the bench when you could get something that helps the team?

The DARK
09-21-2011, 10:42 PM
Stubbs is a flawed but young and talented CF. He plays above-average defense with outstanding range. He's got remarkable basepath speed with a decent amount of power in his bat. What's more, he's earning league minimum and is under contract for five more years. He may have taken a step back this season, but he still remains one of the more valuable assets on the team.

Meanwhile, Wandy is a MOR pitcher in an unfavorable contract situation. He's been consistent but unspectacular throughout his career, he's slightly more of a fly ball picher (not good in Cincy). We get him for 2 years at over 10 million dollars for each, tying up our budget even further in unwieldy contracts.

I'd still be enticed by a Wandy trade, but he's not worth Stubbs.

Tuff Nut
09-21-2011, 11:03 PM
Umm NO........WHY does everyone on here have a love affection for Wandy?.........The Reds have Wandy's, in the organization. ANd for the one that said the Reds needed to add another player to work this deal.......share.

trentthecaptain
09-21-2011, 11:58 PM
I would love to see these names --- the players that have struck out more than 200 times in a season that greatly improved in that category.


bobby bonds?

mu4103
09-22-2011, 12:18 AM
Wow able to evaluate talent after all of two seasons.....:thumbup:

He's gotta be near 1200 ABs ... having said that, Wandy no way. There is a market for Stubbs. I don't think Stubbs will ever be a great player until he can fix his K problem, but at the beginning of the year he was highly touted. Everyone assumed he would get better. There still is a big market for "one of the best young prospects in the game" that I remember hearing in May.

Vottomatic
09-22-2011, 08:03 AM
Wandy is signed for $10.5M next season and $13.5M in 2013 with an option for 2014.

2008 3.54 e.r.a., BAA .256
2009 3.02 e.r.a., batting average against .250
2010 3.60 e.r.a., BAA .250
2011 3.51 e.r.a., BAA .248

He has thrown for between 170 to 200 K's each of those seasons while playing for a bad Astros team.

I'm not a fan of Stubbs. But I believe there are those GM's out there who think like brm, who would gladly take him, especially those clubs rebuilding and trying to unload payroll. Astros might do that deal straight up to get a quality player and unload payroll. Remember, they put Wandy on waivers after the deadline and had no takers, as far as we know.

What Reds starting pitcher, other than Cueto, has consistently put up an e.r.a. in the 3.50 range for the last 3 seasons? I rest my case.

nux fan
09-22-2011, 10:32 AM
yeah lets keep stubbs and hope he cuts kis strikeouts down to 198 and then lets hope rolen is healthy and that volquex has brains, thats the plan

krm1580
09-22-2011, 04:03 PM
bobby bonds?

Actually the most Ks Bobby Bonds ever had in a season was 189. Mark Reynolds is the only other guy in the HISTORY of baseball to strike out more than 200 times in a season.

I am a guy that hates high strikeout players, but I do to some extent buy into the argument that huge strikeout totals are offset by huge power numbers. If you look at all the guys that have Kd more than 190 times in a season other Mark Reynolds one season where he had 28, all of them are accompanied by 30+ HR outputs, and in most cases 40+ HR outputs.

That is where Stubbs completely comes apart for me 200k and 15 HRs, playing half his games in a HR haven.

brm7675
09-22-2011, 04:24 PM
I would love to see these names --- the players that have struck out more than 200 times in a season that greatly improved in that category.

Well actually in the history of baseball only 1 other player has struck out 200 or more times in a season.

Red Raindog
09-22-2011, 06:44 PM
Well actually in the history of baseball only 1 other player has struck out 200 or more times in a season.

Good point that I forgot -- OK -- how about 170 times?

nux fan
09-22-2011, 06:56 PM
stubbs great potential, he can join the list of duane walker, paul householder, gary redus, nick esasky, tracy jones

Old NDN
09-22-2011, 06:57 PM
Not interested in Wandy. The Reds have a bunch of MOR guys who make a lot less than Wandy. Although his numbers are a little better than what's in-house, I just don't see that much improvement for the increase in salary. The Reds need a TOR guy IF they ever decide to move any of those "crown jewels" they're sitting on.

DocRed
09-22-2011, 07:09 PM
People are crazy if they don't think Wandy is a good pitcher...he would immediatley become our 2nd best pitcher were he acquired.

nux fan
09-22-2011, 07:10 PM
completely agree, cueto then wandy the reds pitching is vastly overrated
you have nothing guaranteed other than cueto

brm7675
09-22-2011, 08:02 PM
Wandy is signed for $10.5M next season and $13.5M in 2013 with an option for 2014.

2008 3.54 e.r.a., BAA .256
2009 3.02 e.r.a., batting average against .250
2010 3.60 e.r.a., BAA .250
2011 3.51 e.r.a., BAA .248

He has thrown for between 170 to 200 K's each of those seasons while playing for a bad Astros team.

I'm not a fan of Stubbs. But I believe there are those GM's out there who think like brm, who would gladly take him, especially those clubs rebuilding and trying to unload payroll. Astros might do that deal straight up to get a quality player and unload payroll. Remember, they put Wandy on waivers after the deadline and had no takers, as far as we know.

What Reds starting pitcher, other than Cueto, has consistently put up an e.r.a. in the 3.50 range for the last 3 seasons? I rest my case.

Outside of Bronson, what Reds starting pitcher has completed 3 full seasons with the Reds equaling those kind of innings Wandy has put up?

brm7675
09-22-2011, 08:02 PM
completely agree, cueto then wandy the reds pitching is vastly overrated
you have nothing guaranteed other than cueto

ah Mike Leake?

nux fan
09-22-2011, 08:06 PM
unproven over a whole season

DocRed
09-22-2011, 08:08 PM
People are crazy if they don't think Wandy is a good pitcher...he would immediatley become our 2nd best pitcher were he acquired.

brm7675
09-22-2011, 08:09 PM
Not interested in Wandy. The Reds have a bunch of MOR guys who make a lot less than Wandy. Although his numbers are a little better than what's in-house, I just don't see that much improvement for the increase in salary. The Reds need a TOR guy IF they ever decide to move any of those "crown jewels" they're sitting on.

You don't consider Johnny Cueto that guy?

brm7675
09-22-2011, 08:09 PM
unproven over a whole season

He has pitched two consectuive seasons...what else do you need? this year he posted a sub 4 era and will end up I believe leading the team in wins.

Ohayou
09-23-2011, 02:43 PM
If Stubbs can get those strikeouts under control, he'd probably be in the same class as Granderson (production-wise, not popularity). Elite speed and defense, great power for that position, good walk rate, and lots of stolen bases.

drowg14
09-23-2011, 03:24 PM
If Stubbs can get those strikeouts under control, he'd probably be in the same class as Granderson (production-wise, not popularity). Elite speed and defense, great power for that position, good walk rate, and lots of stolen bases.

I don't think he'd have the walk rate or the 40 hr power granderson has had this year.

brm7675
09-23-2011, 03:44 PM
I don't think he'd have the walk rate or the 40 hr power granderson has had this year.

If Stubbs can cut his strikeouts to around 120-140 per season and increase his average I am okay with him only hitting 18-25 homeruns a season.

nux fan
09-23-2011, 06:28 PM
if frank pastore can turn into tom seaver than I would root for him also