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brm7675
09-29-2011, 03:18 PM
In batting order:

2nd Base: Brandon Phillips
SS: Some old guy
1st Base: Joey Votto
3rd Base: Scott Rolen
RF: Jay Bruce
LF: Chris Heisey
CF: Drew Stubbs
C: Ramon Hernandez

Pitcher: Johnny Cueto

Stray
09-29-2011, 03:42 PM
Cozart is our starting SS. Not sure what it is with you and that position BRM lol, before this past season you didn't believe it was Janish's job either. We called him up to be the starter, and Walt has already said we're going into next season with him as our starter. I do think we'll try to bring Renteria back to backup Cozart though, and honestly if the price is cheap it wouldn't be a bad thing.

This is how I see it barring a trade.

1. Phillips 2B
2. Cozart SS
3. Votto 1B
4. Alonso LF
5. Rolen/Francisco 3B
6. Bruce RF
7. Hanigan/Mes C
8. Stubbs CF
9. Cueto P

Heisey and Cairo will be around, the rest of the bench I have no idea.

That lineup would lead the National League in runs and strikeouts. We'll be feast or famine as usual, but they'll do enough to win us a lot of games. Bullpen needs arms that can get people out on a consistent basis, and if we're going to improve the rotation we need to go big through a trade or not even bother. We have a LOT of serviceable middle of the rotation guys...the only way we'd improve it is to get a 1-2 to go with Cueto at the top.

texasdave
09-29-2011, 03:43 PM
Cozart is our starting SS. Not sure what it is with you and that position BRM lol, before this past season you didn't believe it was Janish's job either. We called him up to be the starter, and Walt has already said we're going into next season with him as our starter. I do think we'll try to bring Renteria back to backup Cozart though, and honestly if the price is cheap it wouldn't be a bad thing.

This is how I see it barring a trade.

1. Phillips 2B
2. Cozart SS
3. Votto 1B
4. Alonso LF
5. Rolen/Francisco 3B
6. Bruce RF
7. Hanigan/Mes C
8. Stubbs CF
9. Cueto P

Heisey and Cairo will be around, the rest of the bench I have no idea.

That lineup would lead the National League in runs and strikeouts. We'll be feast or famine as usual, but they'll do enough to win us a lot of games. Bullpen needs arms that can get people out on a consistent basis, and if we're going to improve the rotation we need to go big through a trade or not even bother. We have a LOT of serviceable middle of the rotation guys...the only way we'd improve it is to get a 1-2 to go with Cueto at the top.

Don't make any playoff plans then. A lot of things went right in 2010. A lot of those same things didn't go right in 2011. Split the difference. 85-86 wins. They would need to add 2 more wild cards for the Reds to make it in.

Stray
09-29-2011, 03:49 PM
Don't make any playoff plans then.

I know there's a lot of differing opinions on it, but I think our offense is going to be really good next year. By good I mean the final product, they'll still be really frustrating at times. Without revamping the entire team I don't see how it is going to be fixed though. You gotta figure Cozart is going to give us a lot more than we had this year. Same with Heisey/Alonso or a cardboard cutout in LF. With Francisco and Rolen I also think we'll get more from 3B. That's improving an above average offense imo.

My biggest concern is our bullpen. I really have no faith in most of the guys we have...like none. The rotation needs help and I'd love to make a big deal for Shields. Our defense will be very good as usual, I just hope we have guys that can get people out.

I'm a homer obviously but I expect us to win the division next year. Especially with the unknowns in St. Louis and Milwaukee.

Stray
09-29-2011, 03:53 PM
We could also really use one of our pitchers to take the next step. Like Bailey or Wood. Not holding my breath or anything, but it wouldn't hurt.

texasdave
09-29-2011, 03:57 PM
I know there's a lot of differing opinions on it, but I think our offense is going to be really good next year. By good I mean the final product, they'll still be really frustrating at times. Without revamping the entire team I don't see how it is going to be fixed though. You gotta figure Cozart is going to give us a lot more than we had this year. Same with Heisey/Alonso or a cardboard cutout in LF. With Francisco and Rolen I also think we'll get more from 3B. That's improving an above average offense imo.

My biggest concern is our bullpen. I really have no faith in most of the guys we have...like none. The rotation needs help and I'd love to make a big deal for Shields. Our defense will be very good as usual, I just hope we have guys that can get people out.

I'm a homer obviously but I expect us to win the division next year. Especially with the unknowns in St. Louis and Milwaukee.

Cardinals have a much better offense and will again next year. Berkman back. I fully expect Pujols to be back. Holliday seemed like he missed a lot of time.

Cardinals have better pitching now and will add Wainwright.

If the Reds basically stand pat there will be no October baseball in the Queen City.

I am curious as to what you saw in the last two months of the season when the Reds were playing dreck and struggling that makes you think this team is bouncing back?

bounty37h
09-29-2011, 03:58 PM
Still a lot of ?'s in the left side in both suggestions so far, possible improvement, but not certain. Does look slightly better than coming into '11 with Gomes and Janish as starters, but still dont know Rolens health and Juan's consistency, if Alonso can be even decent in left, and if Cozart is ready to be the man at short. Right side is strong, Stubbs is good in field but needs a lot of help at the plate if goign to stay in lineup. Cueto had a greta year and Leake was pretty good. Arroyo should be healthy, need 2-3 more pitchers to step up their game.

texasdave
09-29-2011, 03:59 PM
Still a lot of ?'s in the left side in both suggestions so far, possible improvement, but not certain. Does look slightly better than coming into '11 with Gomes and Janish as starters, but still dont know Rolens health and Juan's consistency, if Alonso can be even decent in left, and if Cozart is ready to be the man at short. Right side is strong, Stubbs is good in field but needs a lot of help at the plate if goign to stay in lineup. Cueto had a greta year and Leake was pretty good. Arroyo should be healthy, need 2-3 more pitchers to step up their game.

Cozart has to be a question mark. I am not sure how anyone makes a determination on him after two weeks.

bounty37h
09-29-2011, 04:00 PM
Cozart has to be a question mark. I am not sure how anyone makes a determination on him after two weeks.

Totally agree, was syaing its up to him if he is ready to be the man or not, or will the cycle of new misses and old retreads continue there for us?

texasdave
09-29-2011, 04:02 PM
Same with Alonso. Solid bat. Just god-awful in the field.

bounty37h
09-29-2011, 04:03 PM
Same with Alonso. Solid bat. Just god-awful in the field.

yup, why I said if he can even be decent.

Stray
09-29-2011, 04:05 PM
Cardinals have a much better offense and will again next year. Berkman back. I fully expect Pujols to be back. Holliday seemed like he missed a lot of time.

Cardinals have better pitching now and will add Wainwright.

If the Reds basically stand pat there will be no October baseball in the Queen City.

I am curious as to what you saw in the last two months of the season when the Reds were playing dreck and struggling that makes you think this team is bouncing back?

The last two months were playing our young guys though. It's why I was against going to that earlier in the year because I fully expected the team to struggle once we did it. Not that we were playing great before then obviously, but I don't put much weight in the overall teams performance. I was mainly curious how the guys were doing on an individual level. Francisco showed us a lot, a hurt Alonso showed us a lot, and Heisey gave Walt a big decision. Mes struggled but of all of the guys I expected it from him more because he has the double duty of having to work with a pitching staff at this level. We also had some guys who looked like they went into offseason mode which is inexcusable...just what it looked like.

If Pujols is back in Stl I would change my mind, I don't think it's gonna happen though. Their rotation isn't that much better than ours. Edwin Jackson is a FA, Carpenter had a down year and is aging, Westbrook is really hit or miss....but you're right they do get Wainwright back which is a big boost.

Stray
09-29-2011, 04:09 PM
Cozart has to be a question mark. I am not sure how anyone makes a determination on him after two weeks.

He definitely is is a question mark. It sucks he got hurt or we'd feel better about things right now. It's why I would be shocked if we don't try to bring Renteria back as a backup...or some other cheap veteran that isn't great but we know what we'd get. I don't think he'll be worse than Janish, or at least I really hope he's not worse than Janish.

texasdave
09-29-2011, 04:11 PM
The winter is time for optimism. But this team doesn't compete as currently comprised.

nux fan
09-29-2011, 04:12 PM
no optimism for me unless stubbs and rolen are gone

brm7675
09-29-2011, 04:57 PM
no optimism for me unless stubbs and rolen are gone

Well then no optimism for you because both will be Reds next year and both will be in the starting lineup.

nux fan
09-29-2011, 05:01 PM
arent you thrilled you get to see the walking crippled third baseman and the major league leading feeble strikeout king, you win your a genius

brm7675
09-29-2011, 06:46 PM
arent you thrilled you get to see the walking crippled third baseman and the major league leading feeble strikeout king, you win your a genius

Well actually there is nothing wrong with Rolen's legs, it's his arm and shoulder area that is of concern so again you are wrong which is nothing new. As for Stubbs you also have the talent there to lead the league in steals and provide very good defense in one of the key positions on the field. It must kill you to know I am right and come opening day unless injuried both men will be in teh starting lineup with Rolen hitting in the 4 hole. Now do I agree with that, no, but as long as Dusty and Walt are running the show that is how it will be.:thumbup:

Vottomatic
09-29-2011, 07:38 PM
Alonso and Stubbs will be traded in the offseason. That is my strong prediction.

2B Phillips (Contract year, will go all out and put up good numbers like 2011)
LF Sappelt
1B Votto
CF Heisey
RF Bruce
3B Rolen/Francisco (platoon, RH/LH)
SS Cozart.......but I also think they might explore someone else because of Cozart's inj.
C Hanigan/Mez (platoon)

Reds add starting pitching, namely James Shields. That is my prediction.

Cueto
Shields
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo

I wish they had the money to sign CJ Wilson. I think he'd be a huge addition to the starting rotation. Trade for Shields. Sign Wilson as a free agent (nearly impossible with wealthier bidders) and then deal some of the young starting pitching.

brm7675
09-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Alonso and Stubbs will be traded in the offseason. That is my strong prediction.

2B Phillips (Contract year, will go all out and put up good numbers like 2011)
LF Sappelt
1B Votto
CF Heisey
RF Bruce
3B Rolen/Francisco (platoon, RH/LH)
SS Cozart.......but I also think they might explore someone else because of Cozart's inj.
C Hanigan/Mez (platoon)

Reds add starting pitching, namely James Shields. That is my prediction.

Cueto
Shields
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo

I wish they had the money to sign CJ Wilson. I think he'd be a huge addition to the starting rotation. Trade for Shields. Sign Wilson as a free agent (nearly impossible with wealthier bidders) and then deal some of the young starting pitching.

I don't see any chance of Sappelt even making the club let alone starting. He has to many holes in his game at this point, needs more work at AAA. Platooning isn't in Dusty's language, so it will be Rolen and no one else till he gets hurt outside of that "day" game start for Cairo. Cozart is the huge unknown, won't know health till ST, don't know if he is an everyday starter of if Dusty trusts him. Don't see the Rays dealing Shields he brings way to much to the table, in innings, K's, complete games, quality ERA. I am also very scared the Reds will reink Hernandez and Mez will see most of his playing time again at AAA at least till Sept.

Stray
09-29-2011, 08:16 PM
Dusty has platooned our catchers for 2 years now. He also platooned LF for quite a while along with SS for a brief period. Even though SS was such a disaster at that point it was just randomly running Renteria or Janish out to suck.

He doesn't like platoons, but if Rolen is healthy we don't have any alternatives at 3rd. Everyone knows Rolen can't hold up for 162 playing the majority of the games.

Also, Walt has already said that Cozart is our starting SS for 2012. It's not a position we're looking to fill. It's Cozart's job until he sucks so bad that he has to lose it or he gets injured. Hopefully neither happen.

nux fan
09-29-2011, 08:17 PM
brms opening day roster

C Don Pavletich He once hit a homerun
1B Mike Lum Baker likes him
2B kelly Paris Baker wont platoon so Paris must play
SS Rafael Santo Domingo He once had a hit in Little League so why would you not give him a chance to play
3B Craig Worthington BRM does not want to give Francisco a chance
LF Stubbs
RF Stubbs
CF Stubbs the greatest

texasdave
09-29-2011, 08:32 PM
Platoons are for wimps and people that like to do things like win ballgames. Real ballplayers play every single game no matter what and that is how they get their numbers. Playing every day is huge, is big-time. You have to be dealing to play every day. Dude, I ain't got no time for platoons.

brm7675
09-29-2011, 08:32 PM
Dusty has platooned our catchers for 2 years now. He also platooned LF for quite a while along with SS for a brief period. Even though SS was such a disaster at that point it was just randomly running Renteria or Janish out to suck.

He platooned catcher because neither guy could go 150+ and produce any thing numbers wise. There was never a true platoon at any other position this year on this team.

He doesn't like platoons, but if Rolen is healthy we don't have any alternatives at 3rd. Everyone knows Rolen can't hold up for 162 playing the majority of the games.

If healthy Rolen can go about 100-110 I would think, and that leaves maybe 50-60 games covered by Cairo. Again not a true platoon either.

Also, Walt has already said that Cozart is our starting SS for 2012. It's not a position we're looking to fill. It's Cozart's job until he sucks so bad that he has to lose it or he gets injured. Hopefully neither happen.

Cozart is a HUGE question mark. We have no idea if he will even be able to play come ST and if so what kind of condition he will be in. Walt will bring in a "vet" to cover and Dusty will give Cozart some playing time if he can but I don't see him being the everyday SS unless he really lights it up, remember Dusty loves that veteran creaminess, especially at SS.

brm7675
09-29-2011, 08:33 PM
brms opening day roster

C Don Pavletich He once hit a homerun
1B Mike Lum Baker likes him
2B kelly Paris Baker wont platoon so Paris must play
SS Rafael Santo Domingo He once had a hit in Little League so why would you not give him a chance to play
3B Craig Worthington BRM does not want to give Francisco a chance
LF Stubbs
RF Stubbs
CF Stubbs the greatest

Okay what Starting lineup do YOU think Dusty will put out there?

Stray
09-29-2011, 10:03 PM
Cozart is a HUGE question mark. We have no idea if he will even be able to play come ST and if so what kind of condition he will be in. Walt will bring in a "vet" to cover and Dusty will give Cozart some playing time if he can but I don't see him being the everyday SS unless he really lights it up, remember Dusty loves that veteran creaminess, especially at SS.

Nobody is saying he isn't a question mark. I think we all agree there. What I'm saying is that he's our starting SS next year, for better or for worse. Just like Janish going into this year. Now things can change with an injury or if he's bad, but right now that's our plan.

And yeah we will look to bring in a veteran or more than likely try and resign Renteria. Regardless of what you think of Dusty and veterans, that doesn't mean we're bringing in a guy to start. Just like Renteria wasn't signed to take Janish's job.

Pete4prez
09-29-2011, 10:42 PM
Philips 2b
Cozart ss
Votto 1b
Bruce rf
Rolen/Zo 3b
Stubbs Cf
Sappelt Lf
Mez C

texasdave
09-29-2011, 11:17 PM
And yeah we will look to bring in a veteran or more than likely try and resign Renteria. Regardless of what you think of Dusty and veterans, that doesn't mean we're bringing in a guy to start. Just like Renteria wasn't signed to take Janish's job.

I don't think this is necessarily all that true of a statement. Renteria started the second game of the season. How many starters, in this case Janish, need a breather after one game? Of the season's first 24 games, Renteria started 7 at short. Once again, how many other starters got 7 games off in the first 24?
I don't think Renteria signs with Cincinnati unless he is given assurances that he is going to get plenty of chances to play. His contract had a base amount and then bonuses for certain numbers of ABs. Do you sign such a contract unless you feel there is a reasonable chance that you are going to get those ABs?
Did Janish put a chokehold on short? Of course not. But how secure is a player going to be when one out of every 3 games, roughly, he is back on the pine? 7 games off in the first 24 is about the quickest hook I have ever seen.

nux fan
09-29-2011, 11:21 PM
did you like brm;s mock lineup??

texasdave
09-29-2011, 11:22 PM
did you like brm;s mock lineup??

I think Rolando Roomes has to get a spot in there somewhere.

dMaus14
09-30-2011, 03:54 AM
Well if I was GM:

C: Hanigan / Mez
1B: Votto
2B: Phillips
3B: Rolen / Cairo
SS: Lowrie / Cozart
LF: Dejesus / Heisey
CF: Stubbs
RF: Bruce

Trade anybody not named Cueto, Votto, Bruce, Mez, Leake, Chapman to get Daniel Bard and Jed Lowrie from the RedSox. Bard can replace Cordero and is cheap for next 4-5 years and Lowrie is in year 1 of Arbitration but has had low totals because of injuries. Then sign David Dejesus (his expected price is 2 yr/9.5 mil so I would offer 3 yr/11.5 mil).

I would bring back everyone in the bullpen except Masset and Cordero. I think sending Chapman to the Louisville to lengthen him out is a waste of a year of his contract because it will take 2-3 months to get him to the point besides he has a pretty friendly contract not making 5 mil until 2014.

I would somehow trade for either Gavin Floyd or James Shields and insert them into the top of our rotation.

1. Cueto
2. Floyd / Shields
3. Leake
4. Bailey / Volquez / Wood
5. Arroyo (I don't know why maybe its the 12 mil we have to pay him)

RP: Arredondo, Lecure, Bray, Chapman, Bard, Ondrusek, Burton

That leaves you with: Alonso, Wood, Bailey, Volquez and a nice farm system to trade with. I just never understood the point in building your farm system if your not going to trade with them or not even use them as super subs and overpay old veterans to do that. And I like Jocketty!

Vottomatic
09-30-2011, 09:51 AM
Disagree with alot of what is being said.

To say the Rays won't deal Shields is kind of dismissing that they let 11 players walk last year. They are constantly in the mode of keeping the payroll low. They also had Shields on the market at the deadline. And they have alot of young pitching that is cheaper. They also have some holes to fill, and making trades to restock their farm system is another of their trademarks. I say it's a good bet Shields is on the market in the offseason for the right return.

As for SS, I think Walt hopes Cozart is healthy enough to pick up where he left off. I think the Janish experiment is over, and I don't see him with the major league team next year. I actually see Frazier as the all around backup, for the 5th OFer spot, and he can back up all the infield positions if need be, after Cairo, of course. And Frazier has power as a pinch hitter. And lastly, he's cheaper than Renteria's $2M.

3B - if Dusty is not smart enough to platoon Francisco with Rolen, then he should be fired. The catcher platoon is a great example of keeping a position and players fresh, if you have guys with equal ability. If Rolen is healthy, he's still older........playing him 3 or 4 days a week is only going to help the guy. And his contract is up after '12. Time to groom his replacement and break him in slowly. This should be all but mandated from the top of the organization. It's a no-brainer.

I don't see Stubbs here next year, and I see Heisey in CF.
I don't see Alonso here next year.

1B - Votto
2B - Phillips
RF - Bruce
C - Mez/Hanigan - although I have this weird feeling Mez might be traded and Ramon re-signed. Ramon is really liked by this organization. But he might be too pricey after his good season.

brm7675
09-30-2011, 12:04 PM
Disagree with alot of what is being said.

To say the Rays won't deal Shields is kind of dismissing that they let 11 players walk last year. They are constantly in the mode of keeping the payroll low. They also had Shields on the market at the deadline. And they have alot of young pitching that is cheaper. They also have some holes to fill, and making trades to restock their farm system is another of their trademarks. I say it's a good bet Shields is on the market in the offseason for the right return.

As for SS, I think Walt hopes Cozart is healthy enough to pick up where he left off. I think the Janish experiment is over, and I don't see him with the major league team next year. I actually see Frazier as the all around backup, for the 5th OFer spot, and he can back up all the infield positions if need be, after Cairo, of course. And Frazier has power as a pinch hitter. And lastly, he's cheaper than Renteria's $2M.

3B - if Dusty is not smart enough to platoon Francisco with Rolen, then he should be fired. The catcher platoon is a great example of keeping a position and players fresh, if you have guys with equal ability. If Rolen is healthy, he's still older........playing him 3 or 4 days a week is only going to help the guy. And his contract is up after '12. Time to groom his replacement and break him in slowly. This should be all but mandated from the top of the organization. It's a no-brainer.

I don't see Stubbs here next year, and I see Heisey in CF.
I don't see Alonso here next year.

1B - Votto
2B - Phillips
RF - Bruce
C - Mez/Hanigan - although I have this weird feeling Mez might be traded and Ramon re-signed. Ramon is really liked by this organization. But he might be too pricey after his good season.

Thing is with Shields is he is not overpaid and very good starting pitching is not easy to replace with kids. I think unless they are blown away by an offer (like they were not at the deadline) Shields goes no where, so the question is what team is going to "way overpay in talent" to get Shields.

As for Platoon at 3rd, it's the smart thing, but not the way Dusty likes to manage. Now again I see no way of Rolen plays more then a 110 or more games so Juan will get his chance, but when Rolen is on the DL.

I don't see Walt making any world shaking deals this offseason, maybe picking up another vet to back up Cozart especially since we don't know if or when Cozart will be ready. I think it will be a very quiet winter in cincy.

brm7675
09-30-2011, 12:06 PM
Nobody is saying he isn't a question mark. I think we all agree there. What I'm saying is that he's our starting SS next year, for better or for worse. Just like Janish going into this year. Now things can change with an injury or if he's bad, but right now that's our plan.

And yeah we will look to bring in a veteran or more than likely try and resign Renteria. Regardless of what you think of Dusty and veterans, that doesn't mean we're bringing in a guy to start. Just like Renteria wasn't signed to take Janish's job.

I don't think Walt signed Renteria to be the starting and everyday SS, but I do think it was Dusty's plan from the start to play Renteria much more then Janish.

Stray
09-30-2011, 12:36 PM
I don't think this is necessarily all that true of a statement. Renteria started the second game of the season. How many starters, in this case Janish, need a breather after one game? Of the season's first 24 games, Renteria started 7 at short. Once again, how many other starters got 7 games off in the first 24?
I don't think Renteria signs with Cincinnati unless he is given assurances that he is going to get plenty of chances to play. His contract had a base amount and then bonuses for certain numbers of ABs. Do you sign such a contract unless you feel there is a reasonable chance that you are going to get those ABs?
Did Janish put a chokehold on short? Of course not. But how secure is a player going to be when one out of every 3 games, roughly, he is back on the pine? 7 games off in the first 24 is about the quickest hook I have ever seen.

I'll be honest, I don't even remember that. Maybe it was a matchup we liked? I don't think it mattered either way though. Janish was our starting SS at the start of this year. He didn't start really losing starts at short until Rolen got injured and he was taking some games at 3rd.

Janish had plenty of time to prove that us giving him the job was the right move. Instead he proved that he's not an everyday major league player.

I'd also say that even though we named him our starter his leash was shorter than usual. The same could be said about Cozart going into next year...and I think that his leash should be short. Like you said he really is a big question mark. We saw enough of Janish to know he wasn't ready for the job...more time wasn't going to show us anything else.

Stray
09-30-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't think Walt signed Renteria to be the starting and everyday SS, but I do think it was Dusty's plan from the start to play Renteria much more then Janish.

Janish had his chance to put that job on lockdown. It isn't Dusty or Walt's fault that he couldn't get a hit to save his life.

Vottomatic
09-30-2011, 12:45 PM
Thing is with Shields is he is not overpaid and very good starting pitching is not easy to replace with kids. I think unless they are blown away by an offer (like they were not at the deadline) Shields goes no where, so the question is what team is going to "way overpay in talent" to get Shields.

As for Platoon at 3rd, it's the smart thing, but not the way Dusty likes to manage. Now again I see no way of Rolen plays more then a 110 or more games so Juan will get his chance, but when Rolen is on the DL.

I don't see Walt making any world shaking deals this offseason, maybe picking up another vet to back up Cozart especially since we don't know if or when Cozart will be ready. I think it will be a very quiet winter in cincy.

But......but......but........;)

We can go round and round all day on this. The next 6 months should be interesting.

Hopefully Walt fills the needs and this team has a fighting chance next season.

texasdave
09-30-2011, 01:43 PM
They also had Shields on the market at the deadline.

Assuming this is true then why isn't he a Red? If Walt wouldn't pony up then why do you think he will pony up now?

brm7675
09-30-2011, 02:07 PM
Assuming this is true then why isn't he a Red? If Walt wouldn't pony up then why do you think he will pony up now?

If you are the Rays wouldn't you want the world because if you don't get it you still have Shields...if you do get it you get the world...

I mean if I am the Rays I tell the Reds I want Yonder, Devin, Hamilton and say Fransico who could become their very cheap but good DH.

nux fan
09-30-2011, 03:00 PM
give them your hero stubbs after all he is soooo good!!

brm7675
09-30-2011, 03:33 PM
give them your hero stubbs after all he is soooo good!!

I don't offer Stubbs, I go with Stubbs/Heisey/Bruce as my outfield for the next 5-6 years in cincy.

Kiss the Baby00
09-30-2011, 04:36 PM
C: Mez/Hannigan
1B: Votto
2B: Phillips
3B: Rolen/JFran
SS: Cozart
LF: Alonso
CF: Heisey
RF: Bruce
4th OF: Sappelt
Util: Frazier

Bench: Cairo, Valaika


SP: Cueto
SP: Chapman
SP: Leake
SP: Arroyo
SP: Bailey

CP: Cordero
SU: Massett
Pen: Bray, Ondrusek, LeCure, Wood or Volquez(the other will be traded or in AAA)


I expect Stubbs to be moved along with either Bailey, Volquez or Wood and Arrendondo

Stray
09-30-2011, 04:55 PM
I really don't see any way Sappelt makes the team unless there is a trade that makes room for him.

1. Votto
2. Phillips
3. Cozart
4. Rolen
5. Hanigan
6. Bruce
7. Stubbs
8. Alonso
9. Francisco
10. Mes
11. Cairo
12. Heisey
13. This spot has to be a backup SS. The easy option would be Janish, the creative option would be Frazier (who can play multiple positions but it makes too much sense so it would never happen), and the safe option would be a cheap veteran.

We're not going to carry more than 13 position players I wouldn't think. Sappelt has been good, but I don't see him bumping anyone out of those spots unless some of them are gonna be traded.

We need to make some additions to our pitching. I won't even list them because if we fill those spots with nothing but arms we have currently it'll suck pretty hard.

brm7675
09-30-2011, 05:04 PM
C: Mez/Hannigan I hope your right but I think if Walt can get Ramon for a decent price they will resign him which would be stupid.

1B: Votto
2B: Phillips
3B: Rolen/JFran I think if Rolen comes into camp 100% healthy they will start Juan in AAA to let him play everyday and then call him up when Rolen goes DL

SS: Cozart It will be interesting to see how he rebounds from TJ surgery and if he will be ready come OD

LF: Alonso I still doubt Dusty is comfortable with him out there, so it will be interesting to see the power struggle between Dusty and Walt over Younder this winter. I think the odds are greater he is traded over being the opening day LF

CF: Heisey No chance, Dusty doesn't see Heisey as an everyday player and that won't change in the offseason unless Walt trades Stubbs.

RF: Bruce

4th OF: Sappelt I am not sure if the club is sold on him just yet.

Util: Frazier See above and Sappelt

Bench: Cairo, Valaika


SP: Cueto
SP: Chapman Won't be ready to be SP by opending day, may join rotation come Juneish

SP: Leake
SP: Arroyo
SP: Bailey

CP: Cordero don't like it but you are probably right
SU: Massett
Pen: Bray, Ondrusek, LeCure, Wood or Volquez(the other will be traded or in AAA)


I expect Stubbs to be moved along with either Bailey, Volquez or Wood and Arrendondo