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OnBaseMachine
10-28-2011, 09:07 PM
Say what you will about Carpenter but he has out hit Phillips this post season.

What was the Mariners record this season?

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:07 PM
Okay? He's outhit the entire Mariners team, and 21 other teams as well. What's your point?

He's a great talent but a world-class tool.

The point is self evident.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:08 PM
The point is self evident.So making the postseason absolves one of criticism?

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:10 PM
So making the postseason absolves one of criticism?

If Ron Washington finds a genie to grant him three wishes, this will be one of them.

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:11 PM
What was the Mariners record this season?

Hey the Ms have nothing to do with the fact that repeatedly wishing bitter ill on someone is actually worse than his competitive behavior that apparently offends some reds fans.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:12 PM
Hey the Ms have nothing to do with the fact that repeatedly wishing bitter ill on someone is actually worse than his competitive behavior that apparently offends some reds fans.
Did I wish the guy to get hit by a bus?

I want him to lose a game. 100% of all sports fans are guilty of wanting a certain team to lose at one time or another. Not sure why you're making this a big deal.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:14 PM
Hey the Ms have nothing to do with the fact that repeatedly wishing bitter ill on someone is actually worse than his competitive behavior that apparently offends some reds fans.

When it comes to sports, just like in the movies, books and evening news, there are good guys and bad guys. You cheer for the good guys and you root against the bad guys. This is not something new.

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:15 PM
So making the postseason absolves one of criticism?

Beating a dead horse and excessive player criticism isn't warranted given the incredible post season we've been treated to and the great narrative of a world series that is unfolding before our eyes... Seriously, Phillps instigated the brawl 200 games ago....maybe it's time to focus on the present.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:16 PM
Beating a dead horse and excessive player criticism isn't warranted given the incredible post season we've been treated to and the great narrative of a world series that is unfolding before our eyes... Seriously, Phillps instigated the brawl 200 games ago....maybe it's time to focus on the present.Oh, now I see. The Cardinals postseason run is supposed to make me okay with them? No.

PS - The Steelers '05 playoff run didn't make me like them either.

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Did I wish the guy to get hit by a bus?

I want him to lose a game. 100% of all sports fans are guilty of wanting a certain team to lose at one time or another. Not sure why you're making this a big deal.

Chrissy this and potty mouth that is distracting from one of the best series in 20 years... It's excessive player criticism that frankly is out of context.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:19 PM
We can argue about this stupid crap until opening day. If it bothers you, don't read it. If it gets you that worked up that you have to go off about it, maybe the issue is with you. Whatever the case, let's get back to the game.

OnBaseMachine
10-28-2011, 09:19 PM
Hey the Ms have nothing to do with the fact that repeatedly wishing bitter ill on someone is actually worse than his competitive behavior that apparently offends some reds fans.

You love picking fights don't ya? Nice job of bringing Brandon Phillips into the discussion in an effort to beat that horse like you have repeatedly before.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:19 PM
Chrissy this and potty mouth that is distracting from one of the best series in 20 years... It's excessive player criticism that frankly is out of context.lol. I don't care of this goes down in history as the best World Series of all time and they never have another World Series because they just couldn't possibly live up to this one.

Nothing you can possibly say or do will make me like that team, and specifically the manager, the catcher, and the ace pitcher. Any attempts on your part to do so are a waste of your time.

blumj
10-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Why is Harrison still pitching?

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:21 PM
lol. I don't care of this goes down in history as the best World Series of all time and they never have another World Series ebcause they just couldn't possibly live up to this one.

Nothing you can possibly say or do will make me like that team, and specifically the manager, the catcher, and the ace pitcher. Any attempts on your part to do so are a waste of your time.

Nobody is arguing that you have o like the Cardinals. I'm rooting for the rangers and would love to see Beltre hit a series winning homer. That clearly isn't the point.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:21 PM
Back to the game, I hope they yank Harrison before he lets the Cards blow it open.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:24 PM
Nobody is arguing that you have o like the Cardinals. I'm rooting for the rangers and would love to see Beltre hit a series winning homer. That clearly isn't the point.Then I'm really not sure what you're going for. You're on a Reds forum, where most Reds fans hate The Cardinals.

Upon seeing someone criticize a very VERY unpopular Cardinal, you say "scoreboard!" in reference to the Cards-Reds rivalry and then wonder why your arguments are falling on deaf ears. You're wasting your time, brother. It's not gonna happen.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:25 PM
How have we made it to the bottom of the 4th without Nolan Ryan showing up on camera once yet tonight?

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:25 PM
How have we made it to the bottom of the 4th without Nolan Ryan showing up on camera once yet tonight?He's warming up in the double secret bullpen.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:26 PM
He's warming up in the double secret bullpen.

He should have been warming up last night. He should be higher on the bullpen depth chart than Mark Lowe.

757690
10-28-2011, 09:29 PM
Chrissy this and potty mouth that is distracting from one of the best series in 20 years... It's excessive player criticism that frankly is out of context.

I disagree that this is a great series to watch.

I like watching good baseball being played. This has been one of the worst played World Series in my lifetime, and has been annoying for me to watch.

If I were a Ranger or Cardinal fan, I would be enjoying it, but not really caring who wins, I find the games actually somewhat boring to watch.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:29 PM
nice hit from Kinsler!

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:30 PM
He should have been warming up last night. He should be higher on the bullpen depth chart than Mark Lowe.I wish he'd been higher than Derek Holland. I'd love for him to have pitched tonight.

blumj
10-28-2011, 09:30 PM
He should have been warming up last night. He should be higher on the bullpen depth chart than Mark Lowe.

I didn't even realize until today that Lowe replaced Uehara on the roster, and Uehara isn't injured.

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Then I'm really not sure what you're going for. You're on a Reds forum, where most Reds fans hate The Cardinals.

Upon seeing someone criticize a very VERY unpopular Cardinal, you say "scoreboard!" in reference to the Cards-Reds rivalry and then wonder why your arguments are falling on deaf ears. You're wasting your time, brother. It's not gonna happen.

Excessive player criticism is unOrg-worthy and ironic given the context of game 7.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Excessive player criticism is unOrg-worthy and ironic given the context of game 7.I'm not gonna argue with you any more about this. I'm not changing your mind and there's not a chance in hades you're changing mine.

Just remember you're on a Reds forum. Epic series or not, you should not be expecting Cardinal love at every corner.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Excessive player criticism is unOrg-worthy.

Let it go. If you were at GABP watching the Reds play the Cardinals with Karen Carpenter pitching, I guarantee you that you'd hear a lot worse than you're seeing in this thread. We're all having some good natured fun here, but telling other people how they should post makes you come across like a DB.

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:39 PM
Let it go. If you were at GABP watching the Reds play the Cardinals with Karen Carpenter pitching, I guarantee you that you'd hear a lot worse than you're seeing in this thread. We're all having some good natured fun here, but telling other people how they should post makes you come across like a DB.

DB?

jojo
10-28-2011, 09:40 PM
I'm not gonna argue with you any more about this. I'm not changing your mind and there's not a chance in hades you're changing mine.

Just remember you're on a Reds forum. Epic series or not, you should not be expecting Cardinal love at every corner.

The point was clear and that wasnt it.

George Anderson
10-28-2011, 09:40 PM
Let it go. If you were at GABP watching the Reds play the Cardinals with Karen Carpenter pitching, I guarantee you that you'd hear a lot worse than you're seeing in this thread. We're all having some good natured fun here, but telling other people how they should post makes you come across like a DB.

I thought for a minute Chrissy was posting here from the dugout:laugh:

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:42 PM
The point was clear and that wasnt it.Like I said, I'm done with it. I'll kindly ask you to drop the matter as well.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:43 PM
Is Scott Feldman the first member of the Amish community to pitch in a Game 7 of the World Series?

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:45 PM
Is Scott Feldman the first member of the Amish community to pitch in a Game 7 of the World Series?Perhaps. They're mostly known for their bowling prowess.

http://www.dreamagic.com/roger/kingpin.gif

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:49 PM
That's a girly-man's HBP if I ever saw one.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:53 PM
It's not a good idea to walk the bases jacked if you can't find the zone.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:54 PM
All this while CJ Wilson has thrown a complete game shutout in the bullpen.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Ron Washington the last few games:

http://files.myopera.com/theFunnyguy1/albums/707046/thumbs/Family%20guy%20-%20do%20not%20push%20button.png_thumb.jpg

Cedric
10-28-2011, 09:57 PM
The Buffalo Bills of MLB.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:59 PM
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/zoneplotNonNorm.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2011_10_28_texmlb_slnmlb_1&sp_type=1&s_type=7.gif

We need to do away with this human element.

savafan
10-28-2011, 09:59 PM
Wow

The Operator
10-28-2011, 09:59 PM
LOL. Of course that just happened.

jojo
10-28-2011, 10:02 PM
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/zoneplotNonNorm.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2011_10_28_texmlb_slnmlb_1&sp_type=1&s_type=7.gif

We need to do away with this human element.

We don't know the error rate on pitch f/x though....

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:03 PM
We don't know the error rate on pitch f/x though....

Well, we know that the bottom six inches of the strike zone apparently don't exist tonight.

Cedric
10-28-2011, 10:03 PM
Can anyone find a dumber rule in sports history than the all star game/home field advantage rule?

OnBaseMachine
10-28-2011, 10:05 PM
Strike one called on Beltre was ball four on Molina.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:06 PM
Of course that just happened. Ugh.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:08 PM
Good thing I have a good supply of beer in my fridge. I'll need it with how this is going.

Cedric
10-28-2011, 10:09 PM
Good thing I have a good supply of beer in my fridge. I'll need it with how this is going.

They deserve to win this. They have an organization that won't settle for just barely good. The Reds just don't care enough and that's the facts.

jojo
10-28-2011, 10:10 PM
Good thing I have a good supply of beer in my fridge. I'll need it with how this is going.

Last night seemed improbable in the 7th.

RedsBaron
10-28-2011, 10:11 PM
Strike one called on Beltre was ball four on Molina.

Yes it was. Jerry Layne has displayed skills behind the plate rivaled only by the fielding skills of Nelson Cruz.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:11 PM
They deserve to win this. They have an organization that won't settle for just barely good. The Reds just don't care enough and that's the facts.I won't disagree with you there. The Steelers are the same way.

I've yet to come up with a way to keep it from making me sick though.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:12 PM
Nolan Ryan must be at Walmart trying to find out if you can put a World Series on layaway.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:12 PM
Last night seemed improbable in the 7th.And now you're telling me not to drink beer! :thumbdown:

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:12 PM
Nolan Ryan must be at Walmart trying to find out if you can put a World Series on layaway.
Whoa, layaway is back?

They should be advertising that!

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 10:13 PM
And now you're telling me not to drink beer! :thumbdown:

I'll drink one with ya Operator!

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:14 PM
I'll drink one with ya Operator!As long as it's not made by Anheuser-Busch. :p

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:16 PM
Not trying to make excuses, but Jerry Layne is really helping the Cardinals out here. Carpenter's strike zone is vastly different than the one for the Texas pitchers, and it's not even close.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:16 PM
Not trying to make excuses, but Jerry Layne is really helping the Cardinals out here. Carpenter's strike zone is vastly different than the one for the Texas pitchers, and it's not even close.Agreed. That walk to Molina would have been a K for Carpenter.

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 10:18 PM
As long as it's not made by Anheuser-Busch. :p

I prefer something with Vodka in it or Guiness. I can't stand the pee water they make here in St. Louis. Stella Artois is good as well.

I agree sava, the strikezone has been floating all night. I do like it is going in our favor but if I was a Rangers fan, I would be PO'd right now.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:19 PM
Did McCarver suggest that Arthur Rhodes is pitching a side session? In case he's needed to go tomorrow???

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:20 PM
Tony is pulling Carpenter.

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 10:22 PM
Tony is pulling Carpenter.

now the stress begins.....:eek:

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:22 PM
now the stress begins.....:eek:Let's hope so. :p

blumj
10-28-2011, 10:23 PM
So, who's actually older, Arthur Rhodes or Darren Oliver?

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:24 PM
So, who's actually older, Arthur Rhodes or Darren Oliver?
Methuselah's got em both beat by a good year.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:25 PM
Does LaRussa own stock in Jennie-O-Turkey store?

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 10:27 PM
A question for all of you sort of on the topic at hand. If the Cards win the WS, will any of you be slightly happy that Rhodes gets a ring? I know he is getting a ring regardless but it is different to win it than get one by default.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:29 PM
Dotel gets Carpenter's zone as well it appears.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:29 PM
Strike one is a ball if that's a Texas pitcher.

15fan
10-28-2011, 10:30 PM
Yep.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:34 PM
David Nail just added 42 new syllables to God Bless America.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:37 PM
A question for all of you sort of on the topic at hand. If the Cards win the WS, will any of you be slightly happy that Rhodes gets a ring? I know he is getting a ring regardless but it is different to win it than get one by default.

He could just buy Scott Williamson's ring for all I care. :)

BCubb2003
10-28-2011, 10:38 PM
A question for all of you sort of on the topic at hand. If the Cards win the WS, will any of you be slightly happy that Rhodes gets a ring? I know he is getting a ring regardless but it is different to win it than get one by default.

Lots of fond feelings for Arthur Rhodes. You really shouldn't be able to get a ring from the team you tried to beat in the World Series.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Is this possibly Pujols' last Cardinal at bat?

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Is this possibly Pujols' last Cardinal at bat?

Somehow I doubt it.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:41 PM
Somehow I doubt it.The boys in the booth will surely let us know if that's a possibility.

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 10:42 PM
Is this possibly Pujols' last Cardinal at bat?

If it is, I will always have great memories of him in the Cards uniform. Good luck to him where ever he lands.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:43 PM
If it is, I will always have great memories of him in the Cards uniform. Good luck to him where ever he lands.Even if he lands in Wrigley Field? ;)

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:44 PM
That pitch right there for Ball 2 is a Chris Carpenter strike.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:44 PM
Ball 3 also

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:44 PM
LOL at this strike zone.

HeatherC1212
10-28-2011, 10:46 PM
Is this nightmare over yet? I'm done with this year and ready for 2012. :runaway: :rant2: :sleep:

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:47 PM
gehrig38 Curt Schilling
Jerry lane has had an atrocious game changing night so far. No excuses for players but bad bad night in a game 7. No excuse.

http://twitter.com/#!/gehrig38

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:47 PM
Glad to see Schill say that.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:48 PM
The Rangers are 1-6 in games with Jerry Lane calling balls and strikes. The Cardinals are 8-1.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:48 PM
That's the ballgame. As if it wasn't already decided, but yea... ballgame.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 10:49 PM
It has to suck to be a pitcher when the umpire is basically forcing you to throw a meatball to get a strike.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Hamilton should have been on with a walk

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:52 PM
As I previously stated:

@buster_espn Tonight's home plate umpire Jerry Lane this season: SL - 8-1 2.00 ERA TEX - 1-6 5.40 ERA

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 10:56 PM
Even if he lands in Wrigley Field?

I still wish him well if he lands at Wrigley but if he does that, he is a fraud considering one of his things he constantly says is he wants to play for a team that has a chance to win championships.


I agree with you all. The strikezone has been absolutely horrible tonight.

savafan
10-28-2011, 10:58 PM
I agree with you all. The strikezone has been absolutely horrible tonight.

It's too bad too, after last night's great game. Rangers' pitchers have a strike zone about two baseballs wide, and Cardinal players know it. Lane isn't even giving Texas a chance.

HeatherC1212
10-28-2011, 10:58 PM
The Rangers are 1-6 in games with Jerry Lane calling balls and strikes. The Cardinals are 8-1.

The umpire should not have that much power over any baseball game but especially over a World Series game. What a bummer. :(

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 11:01 PM
It's too bad too, after last night's great game. Rangers' pitchers have a strike zone about two baseballs wide, and Cardinal players know it. Lane isn't even giving Texas a chance.

Yep, it really is horrible but part of winning is taking advantage of a umps floating strike zone. I'm wondering if the Rangers front office is going to talk to MLB about it or not.

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 11:07 PM
I will say though that the umpiring in general in this world series has just not been good. The Cards had an inconsistent strike in one game where they faced Holland. Tonight, the Rangers have had an inconsistent strike zone.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:08 PM
So who gets the MVP, Freese? Craig? Co-MVPs Ron Kulpa and Jerry Lane?

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:08 PM
So who gets the MVP, Freese? Craig? Co-MVPs Ron Kulpa and Jerry Lane?
Maybe Jerry Lane will get an invite to go on Carpenter and Halladay's fishing trip.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:12 PM
And the one Texas pitcher who can retire batters goes down with an injury.

It appears as if this one is meant to be. AGH!

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Layne


In 2011, he continued a statistically impossible bias in favor of the Cardinals to the detriment of the Texas Rangers and awarded the Cardinals two runs by virtue of calling pitches over the plate and through the strike zone as balls. MLB has not responded but will have no comment.


On October 19th, 2011, Layne was the plate umpire when Adrian Beltre nicked a ball off of his foot to St.Louis Cardinals third basemen David Freese in Game 1 of the 2011 World Series, which, by rule, is a dead ball. Layne ruled that Beltre was not touched by the ball and play continued, despite Beltre hopping around home plate as if in pain. Infrared replays showed that the ball appeared to have narrowly clipped Beltre's foot and that the ball should have been called foul or dead by virtue of batter's interference. Layne inspected the ball after Rangers manager Ron Washington argued the call; however Layne did not see any scuff from Beltre's shoe and upheld his original call.


On October 28, 2011, Layne was the plate umpire for Game 7 of the 2011 World Series. During the game when Scott Feldman threw a clear strike 3 to Yadier Molina, Layne called the strike a ball and brought the runner from third to home plate . This Egregious call proved that Layne is an Anti-Semite.


In the year 4131, Numekian scientists discovered several of Layne's manuscripts created before Game 7 of the 2011 World Series. Scientists concluded with reasonable certainty that Layne had intended two different strike zones for the two teams, leading to a Cardinals World Series victory.

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 11:17 PM
So who gets the MVP, Freese? Craig? Co-MVPs Ron Kulpa and Jerry Lane?

I would say its probably Freese. He set the post season record this game for most RBI's and total bases by a single player. He has been clutch all world series long. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Napoli get it. I've gained tons of respect for him in this World Series.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:19 PM
Just think, if Game 6 didn't get postponed due to rain, we would have seen Kyle Lohse start tonight.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:20 PM
Just think, if Game 6 didn't get postponed due to rain, we would have seen Kyle Lohse start tonight.MLB and FOX both got what they wanted tonight. When they start sowing the seeds of a rainout days ahead, you know they want it.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Get ready for some Tony LaRussa praise-a-thon

CTA513
10-28-2011, 11:22 PM
Just think, if Game 6 didn't get postponed due to rain, we would have seen Kyle Lohse start tonight.

Washington would of started Lohse anyway.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:22 PM
And that's that. Time to visit the toilet.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:25 PM
I agree with whoever said it earlier that it doesn't seem right that we have a champion that couldn't even win their own division. Oh well.

blumj
10-28-2011, 11:25 PM
Happy for you, Mike. Time for NFLN and snow.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:26 PM
Happy for you, Mike. Time for NFLN and snow.Drugs are never the answer, friend.

MikeThierry
10-28-2011, 11:28 PM
Happy for you, Mike. Time for NFLN and snow.

Time for hockey now! Lets go Blues! haha :)

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:30 PM
Time for hockey now! Lets go Blues! haha :)

I have no idea what this is. I'm ready for free agency and spring training. Bring on 2012.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:31 PM
I refuse to accept this. I say we give Milwaukee and Detroit a one game playoff and crown the winner of that game the champion.

Redsfan320
10-28-2011, 11:32 PM
I'm just gonna go to bed, wake up, and hope it was a bad dream... :barf:

320

CTA513
10-28-2011, 11:33 PM
Nelson Cruz for Co-MVP

RedsManRick
10-28-2011, 11:34 PM
:thumbdown::drink::censored::barf:

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:34 PM
What is Ron Washington's contract status?

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:34 PM
Nelson Cruz for Co-MVPAlong with Jerry Lane and Ron Washington.

'twas quite the concerted effort.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:35 PM
What is Ron Washington's contract status?If he's not on double secret probation, he darned well better be.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:38 PM
21 years since our Reds last won a WS. That's only 83 seasons away from Cubs territory.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:39 PM
I don't know Tony...

Johnny Bench>Yadier Molina

blumj
10-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Drugs are never the answer, friend.

Ron Washington disagrees.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:39 PM
21 years since our Reds last won a WS. That's only 83 seasons away from Cubs territory.We've got one thing going for us though. We place the blame squarely where it belongs: The Front Office and ownership.

Cubs fans are busy blaming black cats and goats.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:40 PM
Ron Washington disagrees.Zing!

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:42 PM
I want to go back to last night's game and reiterate how stupid it was to leave Colby Lewis in to bat with the bases loaded.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:44 PM
I want to go back to last night's game and reiterate how stupid it was to leave Colby Lewis in to bat with the bases loaded.
And then to burn up Derek Holland.

Ron Washington did what was thought to be impossible. He somehow made Tony LaRussa's game 5 screw up seem miniscule and un-noteworthy in comparison to his own. That took some doing.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:48 PM
The Man Who Bet The Cardinals At 999/1 When They Were Out Of The Race Is Looking Smart And Rich Right Now

http://deadspin.com/5851837/the-man-who-bet-the-cardinals-at-9991-when-they-were-out-of-the-race-is-looking-smart-and-rich-right-now

mbgrayson
10-28-2011, 11:48 PM
Just think, if Game 6 didn't get postponed due to rain, we would have seen Kyle Lohse start tonight.

We would have seen Lohse start LAST night. By today, the season would have been over....

Congratualtions to the Cardinals, although I am not at all happy about it.

And to you, Chris Carpenter, I send the same greeting as you screamed at Mike Napoli the other night....only I am too polite to repeat it on a family site....

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:52 PM
Just think, we could be adding an additional wildcard team as early as next year, further diluting the meaning of winning one's own division.

The Operator
10-28-2011, 11:53 PM
Just think, we could be adding an additional wildcard team as early as next year, further diluting the meaning of winning one's own division.Allan H. Selig is certainly leaving his stamp on the game.

savafan
10-28-2011, 11:54 PM
Allan H. Selig is certainly leaving his stamp on the game.

Maybe he should work on trying to memorize a speech.

crazybob60
10-28-2011, 11:56 PM
I believe that was Chris Carpenter's son just on tv....

mbgrayson
10-29-2011, 12:01 AM
From Twitter:


DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
#RealTalk I'm not watching @MLBNetwork @ESPN @SportsCenter or anything w/ baseball on it... Can't watch this shhh!!!! #NoBueno

AtomicDumpling
10-29-2011, 12:04 AM
I disagree that this is a great series to watch.

I like watching good baseball being played. This has been one of the worst played World Series in my lifetime, and has been annoying for me to watch.

If I were a Ranger or Cardinal fan, I would be enjoying it, but not really caring who wins, I find the games actually somewhat boring to watch.

I agree. I expect to see some quality baseball in the World Series. Both of these teams proved they are not championship-caliber teams. Game 6 could quite possibly be the most poorly-played professional baseball game I have ever seen. Every aspect of the game was pathetic: defense, pitching, base-running, managing and even the umpiring. It looked more like a Little League World Series game than a game between top professional teams. The whole series has seen very low quality baseball being displayed.

I keep hearing the game referrred to as an instant classic. Have we really lowered our standards this much? Apparently all that is required to qualify as "classic" is a few lead changes and a walk-off home run -- skillful play has nothing to do with it.

Roy Tucker
10-29-2011, 12:13 AM
Whatever. I thought it was fun and exciting to watch, I'd rather Rangers win, but it was all great theater and great drama and great fun. I don't want this Cardinal hatred color us as baseball fans and make us look at best sore losers and at worst, just pathetic. Congratulations to the Cardinals and the Rangers and thanks for some great baseball.

AtomicDumpling
10-29-2011, 12:19 AM
Whatever. I thought it was fun and exciting to watch, I'd rather Rangers win, but it was all great theater and great drama and great fun. I don't want this Cardinal hatred color us as baseball fans and make us look at best sore losers and at worst, just pathetic. Congratulations to the Cardinals and the Rangers and thanks for some great baseball.

Fun and exciting? Absolutely. Good baseball? No way.

And the only reason I was rooting for the Rangers was because I don't like to see a second place team crowned as champion. I loathe Carpenter and Molina, but I really like Pujols and Berkman.

savafan
10-29-2011, 12:25 AM
I loathe Carpenter and Molina, but I really like Pujols and Berkman.

Not a fan of Carpenter, Molina or Berkman, though I have a ton of respect for Pujols, not only for what he does on the field, but even more for what he does for kids with Down Syndrome.

I think it would be very easy to root for guys like David Freese and Allen Craig though. I have nothing against those kids.

Matt700wlw
10-29-2011, 12:37 AM
For the first time in 9 years, the World Series went to a game 7. THAT is good for baseball.

I will tip my hat to the Cardinals. They earned it.

And like the blink of an eye, baseball is over, which is kind of depressing.

mth123
10-29-2011, 12:51 AM
At this point, I'm not upset with the Cardinal fans or Cub fans. I'm upset with the organization known as the Cincinnati Reds for not being prepared to play a full season and quitting with six weeks left in the season. Everytime in the future that I think of this post-season that is what I will think about.

My feelings exactly. I don't get all the bashing of the cards and their fams. The Reds need to look in the mirror, the organization at itself and the fan base at the Reds front office when seeing the Cardinals celebrate while the Reds haven't played a meaningful game in about 3 months.

The Cardinals made a bold move by trading one of its top up and coming players to address its fatal flaw and make this championship possible. I hope the Reds are as well run someday.

Congrats to Mike and MattyHo. Enjoy it.

mth123
10-29-2011, 01:01 AM
They deserve to win this. They have an organization that won't settle for just barely good. The Reds just don't care enough and that's the facts.

:thumbup:

Matt700wlw
10-29-2011, 01:25 AM
If baseball went with best records, instead of a pointless All-Star game, this would have ended in Texas, not St. Louis. It also would have started in Texas, not St. Louis.

Just an observation.

Would it have mattered? I don't know...

mdccclxix
10-29-2011, 01:36 AM
If baseball went with best records, instead of a pointless All-Star game, this would have ended in Texas, not St. Louis. It also would have started in Texas, not St. Louis.

Just an observation.

Would it have mattered? I don't know...

Yeah, and I'm sure all the players out there, in preparation for next year already, are praying that next year enough 12 year old kids and internet ballot stuffers will think they deserve to be on the all star team so they can win a game where every player gets in the game to be fair so that if their team makes it to the World Series they will have home field advantage without being the team with the best record, right? :rolleyes: This kind of competitive integrity makes the BCS look genius.

MikeThierry
10-29-2011, 01:47 AM
If baseball went with best records, instead of a pointless All-Star game, this would have ended in Texas, not St. Louis. It also would have started in Texas, not St. Louis.

Just an observation.

Would it have mattered? I don't know...

I kind of agree with you here but it isn't like the previous setup was well thought out either. The whole switching back and fourth every year between the two leagues was almost as stupid. It should be either by inter league record or go by best record (I know this is outside the box thinking and quite a concept for Selig).

Regardless of your feelings toward the system, it is what it is and the teams have to play according to the rules. Lets not also forget that it was CJ Wilson who gave up that bomb to Fielder which led the NL to win the game. Yeah its a crummy system but the AL had every opportunity to win that game.


Congrats to Mike and MattyHo. Enjoy it.

Well I didn't do anything and in fact should not be given congrats at all. I feel truely awful for giving up hope when the Cards were down by that much. This year has really taught me a lesson. Never give up on your team, no matter how down and out they are. It is a lesson I will live with for the rest of my sports life.

cincinnati chili
10-29-2011, 02:27 AM
The Cards earned this World Series win. In particular, Freese and Berkman, surviving 2-strike counts in game 6. BUT....

If I was going to lay blame on a third party, it wouldn't be Selig for the all star/home field thing. I would blame Selig for his resistance to automating ball/strike calls and instant replay.

Jerry Lane killed the Rangers pitchers on the outside corner tonight. The 4th run on Molina's walk should have been a strikeout. There's way too much random chance affecting called balls/strikes.

Kulpa's blown call in game 3 (Napoli's tag at first) was instrumental in the Cards winning game 3. That was easily correctable.

Ron Madden
10-29-2011, 03:21 AM
I'm not going to whine about the Wild Card.

I'm not going to whine about the umpires.

I'm not going to whine about the Cardinals whining.

I'm not going to whine about Reds Fans whining about the Cards whining.

I'm just going to say I enjoyed the World Series, heck I enjoyed the Play Offs and regular season.

Congratulations to the Cardinals and their Fans.

westofyou
10-29-2011, 03:47 AM
I'm not going to whine about the Wild Card.

I'm not going to whine about the umpires.

I'm not going to whine about the Cardinals whining.

I'm not going to whine about Reds Fans whining about the Cards whining.

I'm just going to say I enjoyed the World Series, heck I enjoyed the Play Offs and regular season.

Congratulations to the Cardinals and their Fans.
Great series, watched a LOT of baseball the past month.

I will miss it come Monday, won't miss the bellyaching and sad sack routine that comes with sitting at home with your team during a month of great ball.

Love the game, it's bigger than your team and it's bigger than you and me, don't let the game get lost in petty team boosterism

RBA
10-29-2011, 06:24 AM
The Cards fans I know are arrogant and some of the worst around.

Ditto.

RBA
10-29-2011, 06:28 AM
I agree. I expect to see some quality baseball in the World Series. Both of these teams proved they are not championship-caliber teams. Game 6 could quite possibly be the most poorly-played professional baseball game I have ever seen. Every aspect of the game was pathetic: defense, pitching, base-running, managing and even the umpiring. It looked more like a Little League World Series game than a game between top professional teams. The whole series has seen very low quality baseball being displayed.

I keep hearing the game referrred to as an instant classic. Have we really lowered our standards this much? Apparently all that is required to qualify as "classic" is a few lead changes and a walk-off home run -- skillful play has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, people were talking like it was the Greatest Game Six in all of baseball. I just have to barf.

RBA
10-29-2011, 06:56 AM
When it comes to sports, just like in the movies, books and evening news, there are good guys and bad guys. You cheer for the good guys and you root against the bad guys. This is not something new.

Who do you cheer for when both teams are the bad guys?

RedsBaron
10-29-2011, 07:40 AM
I'm not crazy about deciding who has home field advantage based upon which league wins the all star game, but basing home field advantage upon which team had the better regular season record isn't a perfect solution, either. There have been a lot of eras in which one league was better than the other, or at least more balanced, resulting in the champion of one league having a much easier time compiling a better record.

savafan
10-29-2011, 08:39 AM
Who do you cheer for when both teams are the bad guys?

The bad guy that I hate the least. :D

lollipopcurve
10-29-2011, 08:47 AM
I gained a lot of respect for the Cards this year. What they overcame was phenomenal. Guys hurt, guys playing out of position, LaRussa standing there with shingles for weeks, etc., etc. They have a will to win that far outstrips most teams.

One lesson for the Reds -- 2010 is not the future.

savafan
10-29-2011, 09:03 AM
Great series, watched a LOT of baseball the past month.

I will miss it come Monday, won't miss the bellyaching and sad sack routine that comes with sitting at home with your team during a month of great ball.

Love the game, it's bigger than your team and it's bigger than you and me, don't let the game get lost in petty team boosterism




"The Green Fields of the Mind "

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops. Today, October 2, a Sunday of rain and broken branches and leaf-clogged drains and slick streets, it stopped, and summer was gone.

Somehow, the summer seemed to slip by faster this time. Maybe it wasn't this summer, but all the summers that, in this my fortieth summer, slipped by so fast. There comes a time when every summer will have something of autumn about it. Whatever the reason, it seemed to me that I was investing more and more in baseball, making the game do more of the work that keeps time fat and slow and lazy. I was counting on the game's deep patterns, three strikes, three outs, three times three innings, and its deepest impulse, to go out and back, to leave and to return home, to set the order of the day and to organize the daylight. I wrote a few things this last summer, this summer that did not last, nothing grand but some things, and yet that work was just camouflage. The real activity was done with the radio--not the all-seeing, all-falsifying television--and was the playing of the game in the only place it will last, the enclosed green field of the mind. There, in that warm, bright place, what the old poet called Mutability does not so quickly come.

But out here, on Sunday, October 2, where it rains all day, Dame Mutability never loses. She was in the crowd at Fenway yesterday, a gray day full of bluster and contradiction, when the Red Sox came up in the last of the ninth trailing Baltimore 8-5, while the Yankees, rain-delayed against Detroit, only needing to win one or have Boston lose one to win it all, sat in New York washing down cold cuts with beer and watching the Boston game. Boston had won two, the Yankees had lost two, and suddenly it seemed as if the whole season might go to the last day, or beyond, except here was Boston losing 8-5, while New York sat in its family room and put its feet up. Lynn, both ankles hurting now as they had in July, hits a single down the right-field line. The crowd stirs. It is on its feet. Hobson, third baseman, former Bear Bryant quarterback, strong, quiet, over 100 RBIs, goes for three breaking balls and is out. The goddess smiles and encourages her agent, a canny journeyman named Nelson Briles.

Now comes a pinch hitter, Bernie Carbo, onetime Rookie of the Year, erratic, quick, a shade too handsome, so laid-back he is always, in his soul, stretched out in the tall grass, one arm under his head, watching the clouds and laughing; now he looks over some low stuff unworthy of him and then, uncoiling, sends one out, straight on a rising line, over the center-field wall, no cheap Fenway shot, but all of it, the physics as elegant as the arc the ball describes.

New England is on its feet, roaring. The summer will not pass. Roaring, they recall the evening, late and cold, in 1975, the sixth game of the World Series, perhaps the greatest baseball game played in the last fifty years, when Carbo, loose and easy, had uncoiled to tie the game that Fisk would win. It is 8-7, one out, and school will never start, rain will never come, sun will warm the back of your neck forever. Now Bailey, picked up from the National League recently, big arms, heavy gut, experienced, new to the league and the club; he fouls off two and then, checking, tentative, a big man off balance, he pops a soft liner to the first baseman. It is suddenly darker and later, and the announcer doing the game coast to coast, a New Yorker who works for a New York television station, sounds relieved. His little world, well-lit, hot-combed, split-second-timed, had no capacity to absorb this much gritty, grainy, contrary reality.

Cox swings a bat, stretches his long arms, bends his back, the rookie from Pawtucket who broke in two weeks earlier with a record six straight hits, the kid drafted ahead of Fred Lynn, rangy, smooth, cool. The count runs two and two, Briles is cagey, nothing too good, and Cox swings, the ball beginning toward the mound and then, in a jaunty, wayward dance, skipping past Briles, feinting to the right, skimming the last of the grass, finding the dirt, moving now like some small, purposeful marine creature negotiating the green deep, easily avoiding the jagged rock of second base, traveling steady and straight now out into the dark, silent recesses of center field.

The aisles are jammed, the place is on its feet, the wrappers, the programs, the Coke cups and peanut shells, the doctrines of an afternoon; the anxieties, the things that have to be done tomorrow, the regrets about yesterday, the accumulation of a summer: all forgotten, while hope, the anchor, bites and takes hold where a moment before it seemed we would be swept out with the tide. Rice is up. Rice whom Aaron had said was the only one he'd seen with the ability to break his records. Rice the best clutch hitter on the club, with the best slugging percentage in the league. Rice, so quick and strong he once checked his swing halfway through and snapped the bat in two. Rice the Hammer of God sent to scourge the Yankees, the sound was overwhelming, fathers pounded their sons on the back, cars pulled off the road, households froze, New England exulted in its blessedness, and roared its thanks for all good things, for Rice and for a summer stretching halfway through October. Briles threw, Rice swung, and it was over. One pitch, a fly to center, and it stopped. Summer died in New England and like rain sliding off a roof, the crowd slipped out of Fenway, quickly, with only a steady murmur of concern for the drive ahead remaining of the roar. Mutability had turned the seasons and translated hope to memory once again. And, once again, she had used baseball, our best invention to stay change, to bring change on.

That is why it breaks my heart, that game--not because in New York they could win because Boston lost; in that, there is a rough justice, and a reminder to the Yankees of how slight and fragile are the circumstances that exalt one group of human beings over another. It breaks my heart because it was meant to, because it was meant to foster in me again the illusion that there was something abiding, some pattern and some impulse that could come together to make a reality that would resist the corrosion; and because, after it had fostered again that most hungered-for illusion, the game was meant to stop, and betray precisely what it promised.

Of course, there are those who learn after the first few times. They grow out of sports. And there are others who were born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts. These are the truly tough among us, the ones who can live without illusion, or without even the hope of illusion. I am not that grown-up or up-to-date. I am a simpler creature, tied to more primitive patterns and cycles. I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.

From A Great and Glorious Game: Baseball Writings of A. Bartlett Giamatti, 1998 by A. Bartlett Giamatti.

Redsfan320
10-29-2011, 09:50 AM
Wow. Thanks a lot for posting that, sava. Cool story.

And, I hate, hate, hate the Cardinals!!!

320

Roy Tucker
10-29-2011, 11:25 AM
Great series, watched a LOT of baseball the past month.

I will miss it come Monday, won't miss the bellyaching and sad sack routine that comes with sitting at home with your team during a month of great ball.

Love the game, it's bigger than your team and it's bigger than you and me, don't let the game get lost in petty team boosterism

A-yup.

My disdain for the Cards went to the back burner for this series. Its light may have peeked through some cracks every so often at a camera shot of Carpenter's beard or Molina's tats, but what was happening on the field and the dugouts took precedence. I could help but get drawn into the games and their ebb and flow. How can you not?

savafan
10-29-2011, 12:05 PM
Wow. Thanks a lot for posting that, sava. Cool story.



I love that story. I read it every year just before opening day, and then again after the last game of the World Series, to remind me how great this game is that I love.

traderumor
10-29-2011, 02:54 PM
And the long, dark winter has begun. :(

My strat replays always benefit from the offseason, though :)