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Will M
10-01-2011, 02:28 AM
I didn't see a thread dediacted to the playoffs & world series so i started one.

For those who missed tonight's game you need to see this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=310930113

its his 2nd major league start!

Dan
10-01-2011, 04:34 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but the absence of mashers in baseball this year is making me get back into watching the playoffs, despite the Reds not being there. More skill than just being able to hit a baseball far over the fences is going to decide who wins the World Series this year.

dougdirt
10-01-2011, 04:45 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but the absence of mashers in baseball this year is making me get back into watching the playoffs, despite the Reds not being there. More skill than just being able to hit a baseball far over the fences is going to decide who wins the World Series this year.

Um.... the Giants won the World Series in 2010 and it had nothing to do with them hitting the ball over the fence.

Tornon
10-01-2011, 06:10 PM
Pretty dominant start from Gallardo puts the Brewers up 1-0 in their series with Arizona

mth123
10-01-2011, 06:14 PM
Berkman with a 3 run jack off of Halladay in the first.

Tornon
10-01-2011, 06:15 PM
This is probably the only series that could be dreamt up where I'm rooting for the Cardinals

Strikes Out Looking
10-01-2011, 06:17 PM
This is probably the only series that could be dreamt up where I'm rooting for the Cardinals

I just can't do it. And who is that idiot sideline reporter dressed up like a pumpkin?

mth123
10-01-2011, 06:19 PM
This is probably the only series that could be dreamt up where I'm rooting for the Cardinals

This is a great match-up if you look past the records and look at the match-ups. Pujols, Berkman and, when he's in there, Holliday can hit anybody. The Phillies rotation against the Cards middle of the order should be fun.

johngalt
10-01-2011, 06:21 PM
I think you guys are posting in the wrong thread. This is the 2012 Postseason thread. :)

dougdirt
10-01-2011, 06:30 PM
Lets go Reds! (see what I did there?)

mth123
10-01-2011, 07:40 PM
Ryan Howard homers to give the Phillies the lead.

PuffyPig
10-01-2011, 08:22 PM
This is a great match-up if you look past the records and look at the match-ups. Pujols, Berkman and, when he's in there, Holliday can hit anybody. The Phillies rotation against the Cards middle of the order should be fun.

Pujols has had little success ahsinst Hollday, Lee or Hamels in his career.

Berkman not particularly good agasnst LH pitching, though he's had some success against Lee and Hamels.

Holliday not hitting much these days, Cards better off with Craig in there. Holliday has had little success against any of the Phillies 4 big starters.

PuffyPig
10-01-2011, 08:23 PM
Ryan Howard homers to give the Phillies the lead.

9-3 now.

dougdirt
10-01-2011, 08:48 PM
9-3 now.

11-3 now.

Rays are up 1-0 on Texas.

blumj
10-01-2011, 09:58 PM
I just feel the need to point out that Derek Holland's mustache is so awful that it's mesmerizing.

And, to add something that someone else might actually care about, the Rangers are up 5-3 now.

Matt700wlw
10-02-2011, 01:45 AM
I feel bad for the home plate ump in the Yankees game. Poor guy gets hit in the face and then later in the junk.

Either Russell Martin can't catch, or that ball was hard to grip.

That ump's a trooper though, he stuck with it.

thatcoolguy_22
10-02-2011, 10:34 AM
I'm calling it here: Rays win their first WS in 6 against the Brewers.

PuffyPig
10-02-2011, 10:00 PM
Answer:

Well, son, it was like this. We got this manager who thinks he's smater than everyone else.
So, he says to me that I'm pitching on 3 days rest. Now I've never done this, but know me, I never complain. Even though I'm 36 and pitched more than anyone else this year.

But I couldn't throw strikes.

And when I did, I got pounded.

Question:*******

mbgrayson
10-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Pris at 56 pitches thru 2, Cards down 4-0. Maybe three days rest wasn't such a great idea. TLR is mad, and he goes to the mound and stays there till the homeplate ump comes out, then he gives him a bad time over balls and strikes..... LOL.

PuffyPig
10-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Well, we can all relax a bit now.

marcshoe
10-02-2011, 11:04 PM
Put the mic in front of Larussa, and he whines. Clockwork.

I don't even care if he was right. Complaining about balls and strikes on mic in the middle of the game is bush league.

mbgrayson
10-02-2011, 11:11 PM
Put the mic in front of Larussa, and he whines. Clockwork.

I don't even care if he was right. Complaining about balls and strikes on mic in the middle of the game is bush league.

Of course it is, but that's the league the Cardinals play in....

marcshoe
10-02-2011, 11:24 PM
Or Busch league.

CTA513
10-02-2011, 11:32 PM
4-4 after Lee blew a 4-0 lead

CTA513
10-02-2011, 11:50 PM
Cardinals now up 5-4 with runners at 1st and 3rd with 0 outs

CTA513
10-02-2011, 11:56 PM
Its still 5-4 after the Cardinals blew a big chance to add another run

Ron Madden
10-03-2011, 12:01 AM
I'll say one thing for the Cardinals, they never give up.

CTA513
10-03-2011, 01:00 AM
Cardinals won 5-4
Motte with a 8 pitch 1-2-3 9th inning

blumj
10-03-2011, 07:31 PM
Desmond Jennings HR off Colby Lewis in the 4th, Rays up 1-0 through 5.

dougdirt
10-03-2011, 08:18 PM
Mike Napoli cracked a 2 run HR for the Rangers, who now lead 2-1.

dougdirt
10-03-2011, 09:09 PM
Well, the Rangers went up 4-1, but the Rays got one back with a bases loaded ground out to first. Then got another one back on a Desmond Jennings solo HR to lead off the 8th. Rangers up 4-3, no outs in the bottom of the 8th with a runner at first.

hebroncougar
10-03-2011, 09:10 PM
And Upton walks, tying run on first no outs.

blumj
10-03-2011, 10:50 PM
Rangers held on 4-3. Yankees and Tigers 2-2 in the 4th.

And Valverde held on, too, Tigers win 5-4.

blumj
10-04-2011, 06:02 PM
Last chance for the Rays, down 4-2 in the 9th.

Rangers win 4-3, thanks to 3 Adrian Beltre HRs, and advance to the ALCS.

RED VAN HOT
10-04-2011, 08:20 PM
Across all playoff games, it seems to me that the number of wild pitches and passed balls has been unusually high. Perhaps the pitchers are trying to break off pitches more sharply.

The Operator
10-04-2011, 09:54 PM
I've been meaning to ask on here for a while and this is the first thread it seems appropriate, what is with all the hype and love for Rick Porcello?

I've read quite a few times around here (and in publications) about him being a future ace, being a great pitcher, etc. Yet, his numbers are thoroughly underwhelming - doesn't K many hitters at all, gives up a lot of hits, routinely has high ERAs (I realize ERA is a poor stat to use, but I'm mainly going on the first two).

So why is he held in such high regard?

blumj
10-04-2011, 10:05 PM
I've been meaning to ask on here for a while and this is the first thread it seems appropriate, what is with all the hype and love for Rick Porcello?

I've read quite a few times around here (and in publications) about him being a future ace, being a great pitcher, etc. Yet, his numbers are thoroughly underwhelming - doesn't K many hitters at all, gives up a lot of hits, routinely has high ERAs (I realize ERA is a poor stat to use, but I'm mainly going on the first two).

So why is he held in such high regard?

He's still only 22, so a lot of people expect him to get better. You don't see many pitchers hold their own in the majors, or even get the chance to, from age 20-22.

Reds Freak
10-04-2011, 11:01 PM
I'd like to point out that from what I've seen from the postseason thus far, the umpiring has been very, very good. As much as umpires have been ripped in the past few postseasons, I thought it was worth nothing...

MikeThierry
10-05-2011, 12:11 AM
I'd like to point out that from what I've seen from the postseason thus far, the umpiring has been very, very good. As much as umpires have been ripped in the past few postseasons, I thought it was worth nothing...

I actually agree with that. There was a play in todays Phillies/Cards game where the center fielder caught the ball but it was ruled as a trap. The umpiring crew got together and overturned the ruling on the field. To me, that is how it should be all the time. Then the talk of instant replay would diminish in my opinion.

Chip R
10-05-2011, 01:22 AM
Last chance for the Rays, down 4-2 in the 9th.

Rangers win 4-3, thanks to 3 Adrian Beltre rally killers and advance to the ALCS.

Fixed.

remdog
10-05-2011, 01:36 AM
I'd like to point out that from what I've seen from the postseason thus far, the umpiring has been very, very good. As much as umpires have been ripped in the past few postseasons, I thought it was worth nothing...

Have you been watching the D'backs/Brewers game? Joe West is the home plate umpire. The Milwaukee pitcher just threw five pitches that strike tracker registered as as out of the strike zone and West called the hitter out on strikes, even though the hitter never swung at a single pitch.

Then when the batter walked away, mumbling, West starred at him all the way into the dugout, intimidating that if he turned around he'd be tossed.

Cowboy Joe is not just a bad umpire but a jerk on top of it.

Rem

MikeThierry
10-05-2011, 01:40 AM
Have you been watching the D'backs/Brewers game? Joe West is the home plate umpire. The Milwaukee pitcher just threw five pitches that strike tracker registered as as out of the strike zone and West called the hitter out on strikes, even though the hitter never swung at a single pitch.

Then when the batter walked away, mumbling, West starred at him all the way into the dugout, intimidating that if he turned around he'd be tossed.

Cowboy Joe is not just a bad umpire but a jerk on top of it.

Rem


Joe West has no business umpiring in the post season. I do not understand why they reward him with post season duties when he is clearly one of the worst umpires in the game. That is like having CB Bucknor umpiring a playoff game.... oh wait... he is this year... never mind.

dougdirt
10-05-2011, 01:59 AM
I've been meaning to ask on here for a while and this is the first thread it seems appropriate, what is with all the hype and love for Rick Porcello?

I've read quite a few times around here (and in publications) about him being a future ace, being a great pitcher, etc. Yet, his numbers are thoroughly underwhelming - doesn't K many hitters at all, gives up a lot of hits, routinely has high ERAs (I realize ERA is a poor stat to use, but I'm mainly going on the first two).

So why is he held in such high regard?

He really isn't anymore. When he was in high school, his fastball was reported to be quite a bit faster than it was once he became a pro. Whether or not that was because he went from a 4 seamer to a 2 seamer, I don't know, but his velocity did drop off quite a bit from the HS reports. His breaking ball also really failed to improve much since that point either. He is a high groundball pitcher, which is good, but he has struggled to miss bats since day one. At first the thought was that he was just at a high level for his age and it would eventually come, but the more people saw, the less they expected the strikeouts to come. I don't think anyone has talked abut him much lately. His stuff never took the step forward that some expected based on the reports he had coming into the draft from high school.

Ron Madden
10-05-2011, 04:28 AM
Fixed.

I saw what you did there. ;)

Ron Madden
10-05-2011, 04:54 AM
Have you been watching the D'backs/Brewers game? Joe West is the home plate umpire. The Milwaukee pitcher just threw five pitches that strike tracker registered as as out of the strike zone and West called the hitter out on strikes, even though the hitter never swung at a single pitch.

Then when the batter walked away, mumbling, West starred at him all the way into the dugout, intimidating that if he turned around he'd be tossed.

Cowboy Joe is not just a bad umpire but a jerk on top of it.

Rem

I agree, Joe West is one of the worst umpires I've ever seen. (He's arrogant and tries very hard to be intimidating.

I honestly can not understand just how it could be in the best interest of MLB to employ umps as bad as Joe West, C B Bucknor, Angel Hernandez or Bob Davidson. let alone pay any of these Clowns to work in post season games.

Redsfan320
10-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Anyone know why career starter Vance Worley pitches out of the stretch with nobody on?

320

RichRed
10-05-2011, 01:56 PM
Pujols complaining about start times.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7061313/albert-pujols-pans-mlb-late-afternoon-start-times


"We can't do anything about it," St. Louis slugger Albert Pujols said. "We've been talking all year long,

You got that right, Al.

Matt700wlw
10-05-2011, 05:19 PM
Pujols complaining about start times.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7061313/albert-pujols-pans-mlb-late-afternoon-start-times



You got that right, Al.

They can never just accept the fact that they lost the baseball game.

:runawaycry:

Matt700wlw
10-05-2011, 07:09 PM
Joh Jay loses a ball (first pitch) in center due to the sun, for a ground rule double.

I'm sure they'll complain again tonight.

VR
10-05-2011, 07:15 PM
Is playing in bright sunlight a new phenomenon?

Matt700wlw
10-05-2011, 07:17 PM
Is playing in bright sunlight a new phenomenon?

Only if the Cardinals lose.

CTA513
10-05-2011, 09:10 PM
The squirrel showed up again at the Cards vs Phillies game:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19846045

The Operator
10-05-2011, 09:44 PM
There'll be a game 5, Priss vs. Halladay.

Here's hoping that Carpenter serves up about 76 earned runs in the first inning alone on the way to a humiliating game 5 defeat for The Cardinals.

Brutus
10-06-2011, 12:01 AM
MLB sure is getting fortunate with all this drama lately. The two wild cards going down to the last inning and now it looks like 3 of the 4 divisional rounds will go to a game-5.

cumberlandreds
10-06-2011, 09:56 AM
There'll be a game 5, Priss vs. Halladay.

Here's hoping that Carpenter serves up about 76 earned runs in the first inning alone on the way to a humiliating game 5 defeat for The Cardinals.

I'm hoping for a Jauquin Andujar like meltdown myself. :)

It's about time MLB had a good post season. It seems like it has been forever since we have had a compelling post season. This post season is well on the way to being a great one.

Strikes Out Looking
10-06-2011, 10:27 AM
I am hoping that both the Yankees and Cardinals lose big today.

cumberlandreds
10-06-2011, 02:14 PM
I am hoping that both the Yankees and Cardinals lose big today.

Only the Yankees can lose today. The Cards play tomorrow.

Matt700wlw
10-06-2011, 03:33 PM
Doesn't whining about being called whiners kind of prove the point there, Tony?

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_9d08e76e-af5e-5780-b2f3-665747aa0e76.html

RichRed
10-06-2011, 04:12 PM
If there's one thing this team is not it is excuse-makers.


Let's just let that marinate for a while.

Strikes Out Looking
10-06-2011, 08:35 PM
Only the Yankees can lose today. The Cards play tomorrow.

Oops. I can't even find the games half of the time. I miss the old NBC days when I knew where to find them.

blumj
10-07-2011, 12:45 AM
Tigers win 3-2, it'll be a Rangers-Tigers ALCS.

thatcoolguy_22
10-07-2011, 12:45 AM
In the final At-Bat of the Yankees' 2011 season, Alex Rodriguez - struck out!

Haha, Yanks and BoSox spent about 37 billion dollars (hyperbole) on pay roll and neither made it to the ALCS. Oh happy day.

Tom Servo
10-07-2011, 12:46 AM
Tigers are my de facto team after the Rays elimination. Go Big D!

The Operator
10-07-2011, 12:48 AM
Aww, shucks... The Yankees lost? I was really pulling for those scrappy, lovable underdogs.

In other news:
Nelson - Ha Ha [Original] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZaVgoX0zM&feature=related)

blumj
10-07-2011, 12:55 AM
In the final At-Bat of the Yankees' 2011 season, Alex Rodriguez - struck out!

Haha, Yanks and BoSox spent about 37 billion dollars (hyperbole) on pay roll and neither made it to the ALCS. Oh happy day.

Bet you won't feel quite as good about it if the NL's biggest spender gets eliminated tomorrow.

HeatherC1212
10-07-2011, 12:55 AM
The baseball post season is much better when the Yankees are not part of it. Congrats Detroit! :D

CarolinaRedleg
10-07-2011, 01:01 AM
Let the overspending/overreacting spree begin in the Bronx.....

paintmered
10-07-2011, 01:40 AM
Let the overspending/overreacting spree begin in the Bronx.....


http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9284631.jpg

Ron Madden
10-07-2011, 06:21 AM
Doesn't whining about being called whiners kind of prove the point there, Tony?

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_9d08e76e-af5e-5780-b2f3-665747aa0e76.html

I understand your point and I agree the Cardinals do gripe and moan an awful lot.

It seems like everyday (to hear them tell it) the Redbirds are suffering some sort of miss justice or persecution. The whining does get old.

Yet, I have to give credit where credit is due. The 2011 Cards have found a way to win ballgames.

Maybe we sound just as foolish as they do when we are constantly whining about them whining. ;)

RichRed
10-07-2011, 10:15 AM
I wonder how TigersZone reacted to Leyland batting Austin Jackson and his .317 OBP leadoff all year long.

Great win by the boys from Detroit!

cumberlandreds
10-07-2011, 10:29 AM
If you are an average MLB pitcher who will be a free agent this winter you have big $$$ dancing in your head. You know the Yankees and Red Sox will be looking for starting pitching and overpaying at the same time.

reds1869
10-07-2011, 10:37 AM
If you are an average MLB pitcher who will be a free agent this winter you have big $$$ dancing in your head. You know the Yankees and Red Sox will be looking for starting pitching and overpaying at the same time.

Similarly, if you are a major league GM with a surplus of even marginal pitching you are doing internal backflips.

Strikes Out Looking
10-07-2011, 11:05 AM
Hopefully, that was Arods last time in a major league uniform as his gambling should have him suspended for life -- but then I guess there are different penalties for different people.

westofyou
10-07-2011, 11:22 AM
Hopefully, that was Arods last time in a major league uniform as his gambling should have him suspended for life -- but then I guess there are different penalties for different people.

Did he gamble on his teams fortunes or just with his fortunes?

He's not the first player to gamble in activities outside of the game, and personally I can't see how his gambling will get him suspended from playing.

Scrap Irony
10-07-2011, 11:36 AM
Yanks and Red Sox won't be looking for the Baileys, Volquezes, and Woods of the world. They'll be looking for the Cuetos-- and at a significant discount.

Hopefully, that then drives the price of MOR starters up on other teams that can still afford to look for pitching.

PuffyPig
10-07-2011, 11:54 AM
Yanks and Red Sox won't be looking for the Baileys, Volquezes, and Woods of the world. They'll be looking for the Cuetos-- and at a significant discount.




Why would they be expecting to obtain the Cueto's of the world at a discount when little pitching is available?

If that's their expectation, they will go home empty again next year.

cumberlandreds
10-07-2011, 12:10 PM
Similarly, if you are a major league GM with a surplus of even marginal pitching you are doing internal backflips.

True. Might be a good time to see if the Red Sox would be interested in taking Arroyo back.

Strikes Out Looking
10-07-2011, 12:43 PM
Did he gamble on his teams fortunes or just with his fortunes?

He's not the first player to gamble in activities outside of the game, and personally I can't see how his gambling will get him suspended from playing.

Leo the Lip didn't gamble on his team's fortunes.

redsmetz
10-07-2011, 04:01 PM
Why would they be expecting to obtain the Cueto's of the world at a discount when little pitching is available?

If that's their expectation, they will go home empty again next year.

Amen! Why do we persist in discounting the chips we have. I think you're correct, that if the market is yearning pitching, there will be a price to pay to acquire that pitching, even middle of the rotation pitching. Now mind, I'm not talking a prince's ransom, but it won't be at a bargain basement price. Now that the club is saying Chapman will start next year, we have a surplus, but I can't see us giving any of it away (and I'd include Volquez, although I acknowledge he has some dings in his armor).

MattyHo4Life
10-07-2011, 07:45 PM
Amen! Why do we persist in discounting the chips we have. I think you're correct, that if the market is yearning pitching, there will be a price to pay to acquire that pitching, even middle of the rotation pitching. Now mind, I'm not talking a prince's ransom, but it won't be at a bargain basement price. Now that the club is saying Chapman will start next year, we have a surplus, but I can't see us giving any of it away (and I'd include Volquez, although I acknowledge he has some dings in his armor).

I agree that Cueto would come at a high price for a team trading for him. I don't understand why the Reds would even consider trading Cueto though. Cueto is the kind of pitcher that you want to keep and build your team around.

Kc61
10-07-2011, 09:05 PM
I agree that Cueto would come at a high price for a team trading for him. I don't understand why the Reds would even consider trading Cueto though. Cueto is the kind of pitcher that you want to keep and build your team around.

Reds should keep Cueto. But I don't agree that he's a pitcher you build around. Not yet. He needs to continue to have success and be more durable.

blumj
10-07-2011, 09:15 PM
If you're not watching or listening to this game, turn it on now. Brewers up 2-1 in the 9th, tying run on 2nd with no one out.
Update: Tied, now runners on 1st and 2nd and still no one out.

blumj
10-07-2011, 09:50 PM
Gomez on 2nd with 1 out in the 10th, Nyjer Morgan singles, and the Brewers win and advance to the NLCS.

Chip R
10-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Did Nyger drop a couple of F bombs there?

757690
10-07-2011, 09:59 PM
Did Nyger drop a couple of F bombs there?

Not only did he drop them, but the reporter put her mic in his face after the first one, just to make sure everyone at home heard. lol

Chip R
10-07-2011, 10:01 PM
Not only did he drop them, but the reporter put her mic in his face after the first one, just to make sure everyone at home heard. lol

It's not her job to be as confused as Nyjer.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-07-2011, 10:13 PM
I love how Morgan interrupts Braun's interview by grabbing him and screaming "yeah.....f---- yeah" only to have the reporter go to him (which I'm sure was his intention) and for him not only to scream "f-- yeah" again directly into the mic, but tell her once it was time to communicate like a normal human that he had nothing to say except, "I'm out".

Yes, pure class.

Tornon
10-07-2011, 11:13 PM
I feel so dirty rooting for the Cardinals AND Chris Carpenter... but I hate the Phillies soooo much..

Redhook
10-07-2011, 11:15 PM
I foresee the Cardinals going to World Series. I don't like what I foresee.

thatcoolguy_22
10-07-2011, 11:35 PM
I dislike the Cards more than the Phils (which says a lot) but I think the Brewers match up better against the Cards. Now that the Rays are out of the playoffs I hope MIL wins it all. It can be an example to WJ about how a modern team is built.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-07-2011, 11:45 PM
Go Cards! Yep, I said it.

CTA513
10-07-2011, 11:46 PM
Cardinals blew a chance to add another run

Tornon
10-07-2011, 11:50 PM
Rafael Furcal is good

CTA513
10-08-2011, 12:05 AM
Carpenter going for the complete game and the 1st out of the 9th is a deep hard hit ball to center

Playadlc
10-08-2011, 12:05 AM
Screw the Cardinals.

Tornon
10-08-2011, 12:08 AM
I can't believe the Cardinals are in the NLCS after where they were

CTA513
10-08-2011, 12:08 AM
Howard grounds out to end the game

Complete game 1-0 shutout for Carpenter including 16 ground ball outs.

CTA513
10-08-2011, 12:14 AM
They just showed the Cardinals locker room and someone (Dotel?) on the Cardinals was holding a fake or stuffed squirrel.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-08-2011, 12:16 AM
I wonder what Carpenter will tell his son.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-08-2011, 12:17 AM
Curse of the squirrel!

WVRed
10-08-2011, 12:18 AM
I wonder what Carpenter will tell his son.

Why he was celebrating when Ryan Howard got hurt?

BuckeyeRedleg
10-08-2011, 12:22 AM
Why he was celebrating when Ryan Howard got hurt?

Kind of a reach, but I doubt he even noticed Mr. Howard.

Makes for more bad guy fodder though.

WVRed
10-08-2011, 12:24 AM
Kind of a reach, but I doubt he even noticed Mr. Howard.

Makes for more bad guy fodder though.

True, but somebody was going to say it eventually. :)

westofyou
10-08-2011, 12:24 AM
Leo the Lip didn't gamble on his team's fortunes.

He made a mighty enemy early on, and thus set the precedent for today's game, a commissioner lackey.

Good story on that here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1084821/index.htm

BuckeyeRedleg
10-08-2011, 12:25 AM
True, but somebody was going to say it eventually. :)

Ok, I get it. So true.

dsmith421
10-08-2011, 12:26 AM
By SEC logic, this is the greatest day ever. Let's all call Finebaum!

blumj
10-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Really good division series round, 8 1-run games, including all 4 of the deciding games.

Blitz Dorsey
10-08-2011, 12:32 AM
How are we going to explain this to our sons?

mbgrayson
10-08-2011, 12:32 AM
All the East Division/ east coast teams are gone, as are the west coast teams. In the ALCS and NLCS, there are 3 central division teams, and the Rangers from the AL west. Right through the middle of the country....Texas, St. Louis, Milwaukee, and Detroit.

Boy are the TV ratings going to be down for the World Series...lol.

The two highest payroll and the two lowest paytroll teams bit the dust, leaving the 4 in the middle to fight it out.

Once again, I have to hand it to the Cardinals and even Chris Carpenter. That was one helluva game he pitched tonight.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-08-2011, 12:44 AM
By SEC logic, this is the greatest day ever. Let's all call Finebaum!


NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central!

When you're team is out of it, do what the SEC does, cheer everybody in your 4 state radius (conference/division).

And if Detroit makes it to the WS, we can't lose.

Tony Cloninger
10-08-2011, 01:10 AM
Just when I was glad NYY were out....... the Cards go in. The Phillies really have trouble hitting don't they?

Year just keeps getting better.

Matt700wlw
10-08-2011, 01:11 AM
I hope the Reds have been paying attention...

The two teams ahead of you are going to battle it out to go to the World Series.

Meanwhile...

George Anderson
10-08-2011, 01:14 AM
Was I seeing things or did Carpenter rip his jersey off in the middle of the on field celebration showing off his tattoo'd upper torso??

What an idiot.

OnBaseMachine
10-08-2011, 01:30 AM
NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central! NL Central!

When you're team is out of it, do what the SEC does, cheer everybody in your 4 state radius (conference/division).

And if Detroit makes it to the WS, we can't lose.

:laugh:

Cardinals will win the WS. Just watch. :thumbdown:

MattyHo4Life
10-08-2011, 01:32 AM
Was I seeing things or did Carpenter rip his jersey off in the middle of the on field celebration showing off his tattoo'd upper

Ummmm what will he tell his son? lol

757690
10-08-2011, 01:38 AM
Funny thing about the Cardinals, they seem to play their best post season baseball when they have their worst teams. 2006 and this year are two of the worst Cardinal teams in the last 10 years. You got to hand it to them, they rise to the occasion.

MikeThierry
10-08-2011, 02:46 AM
Funny thing about the Cardinals, they seem to play their best post season baseball when they have their worst teams. 2006 and this year are two of the worst Cardinal teams in the last 10 years. You got to hand it to them, they rise to the occasion.

haha yeah you are right. We can't win when we have absolutely dominant teams like we had in 04-05. I will say this though, there is a lot more talent on the 11 Cards team than there was on the 06 team. They did lead the NL in offense this year so it wasn't like they had a downright horrible team like they did in 06.

Matt700wlw
10-08-2011, 02:51 AM
haha yeah you are right. We can't win when we have absolutely dominant teams like we had in 04-05. I will say this though, there is a lot more talent on the 11 Cards team than there was on the 06 team. They did lead the NL in offense this year so it wasn't like they had a downright horrible team like they did in 06.

We?

what position do you play?

MikeThierry
10-08-2011, 02:55 AM
We?

what position do you play?

Sorry, I'm a bit intoxicated right now. We as in the Cardinals though I do have a playoff beard going if that counts. :)

blumj
10-08-2011, 10:49 PM
Rain delay, Rangers up 3-0 in the top of the 5th. And Francona is an improvement over McCarver.

blumj
10-08-2011, 11:49 PM
So, they start playing again, Wilson still pitching and the Tigers get 2 runs while Ogando's warming up, now 3-2. But, with runners on 2nd and 3rd and 2 outs, the Rangers decide to IBB a RHH to let Wilson stay in for the next guy, a LHH, and it immediately starts pouring again, and there's another delay.

Reds Fanatic
10-10-2011, 09:50 PM
Rangers go up 2 games to none on walk off grand slam by Cruz

vaticanplum
10-10-2011, 10:15 PM
This is the postseason I dream about every year. I can't even believe it. Every game feels like a gem.

MikeThierry
10-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Albert Pujols does his own version of Beast Mode with HR and 3 doubles. Cardinals up big.

dougdirt
10-11-2011, 12:31 AM
Albert Pujols does his own version of Beast Mode with HR and 3 doubles. Cardinals up big.

I feel sick. Thanks. :laugh:

Patrick Bateman
10-11-2011, 01:20 AM
It's funny because Mike appeared to be very quiet during a loss, but again, and this is the hilarious part, he comes out of his cave to update us about the win.

Thanks Mike!

MikeThierry
10-11-2011, 01:38 AM
It's funny because Mike appeared to be very quiet during a loss, but again, and this is the hilarious part, he comes out of his cave to update us about the win.

Thanks Mike!

Can we stop with this stupidity please? I've come in here when the Cards have lost, I have come in here when the Cards have won. I'm sorry, I have a life and can't get on the forums every single day. Do you monitor other posters habits and call them out like some stalker if they don't post on a daily basis? It gets annoying that no other poster besides myself is getting harassment like this. This forum is continuing to be a hostile place for certain people. Can we all just talk ball instead of attacking someone personally? This forum was never this bad when I joined up a year or so ago.

And for your information Patrick Bateman, I did come into the forum yesterday and comment on the "Aces being overrated in the playoff" thread. Next time you criticize someone for their posting habits (which you shouldn't do in the first place) at least do a little bit of research.

MikeThierry
10-11-2011, 01:42 AM
I'm sorry to get angry here but I've had enough with this kind of harassment.

The Operator
10-11-2011, 02:05 AM
Yea, enough is enough guys. You can disagree with Mike all you want but outright baiting someone isn't okay.

Boss made it very clear that fans of other teams are welcome here so long as they follow the rules, so treat the guy with some respect. If you can't do that, just don't reply at all.

_Sir_Charles_
10-11-2011, 11:21 AM
Yea, enough is enough guys. You can disagree with Mike all you want but outright baiting someone isn't okay.

Boss made it very clear that fans of other teams are welcome here so long as they follow the rules, so treat the guy with some respect. If you can't do that, just don't reply at all.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :beerme:

Boss-Hog
10-11-2011, 12:46 PM
Yea, enough is enough guys. You can disagree with Mike all you want but outright baiting someone isn't okay.

Boss made it very clear that fans of other teams are welcome here so long as they follow the rules, so treat the guy with some respect. If you can't do that, just don't reply at all.

Well said. The next time we see it happen, don't say you weren't warned multiple times.

There have been things Mike has posted that I have personally found over the top - particularly given that they were posted by a fan of another team on a forum primarily for Reds' fans. However, there was absolutely nothing wrong with his above post and it certainly did not warrant the type of response that Patrick Bateman made.

*BaseClogger*
10-11-2011, 12:57 PM
I wouldn't mess with Patrick Bateman...

blumj
10-12-2011, 01:32 AM
The Tigers won game 3, 5-2. McCarver's back, so I can understand if not many of you were watching.

Patrick Bateman
10-12-2011, 01:35 AM
I have brought great shame to this board.

*BaseClogger*
10-12-2011, 02:06 AM
I have brought great shame to this board.

American Psycho: Business Card Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIvd3zzu4Y)

No watermark!?!?

MikeThierry
10-12-2011, 03:20 AM
American Psycho: Business Card Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIvd3zzu4Y)

No watermark!?!?

hahaha that post may have made me laugh the most today.

Ron Madden
10-12-2011, 05:04 AM
I picked the Brewers to win the NL Central Division back in March.

I picked the Brewers to beat the Cards in the NLCS a week ago.

I'm a Reds Fan through and through, I've been rooting for the Reds longer than most members of this fine web site have been alive.

I've always admired and respected the long and storied tradition of the Cardinals.There are a ton of things that I dislike about the present day Cardinals but I have to say they have earned my respect and it would not break my heart if they went on to defeat Milwaukee and who ever wins the ALCS.

Chip R
10-12-2011, 10:20 AM
I have to say the scheduling of the games this year is an improvement over past seasons. Especially in the Division Series they used to have one game, a day off in one series, another game, a travel day off, then 2 more games. They are playing it straight this year. Good to see that.

Brutus
10-12-2011, 01:44 PM
I have to say the scheduling of the games this year is an improvement over past seasons. Especially in the Division Series they used to have one game, a day off in one series, another game, a travel day off, then 2 more games. They are playing it straight this year. Good to see that.

I noticed that as well. I can't say how happy I am they went that route. The day off in between games played in the same city was absolutely idiotic.

The Operator
10-12-2011, 11:57 PM
Is Nelson Cruz the new Mr. October? Good grief.

He's gotta be ALCS MVP if the Rangers end up holding on.

VR
10-13-2011, 12:08 AM
Is Nelson Cruz the new Mr. October? Good grief.

He's gotta be ALCS MVP if the Rangers end up holding on.

His OPS is 1.700+. A full 200 points behind Alberts. His 9 ribeyes are quite nice though.

MikeThierry
10-13-2011, 12:26 AM
His OPS is 1.700+. A full 200 points behind Alberts. His 9 ribeyes are quite nice though.

That was an insane home run he hit in Detroit. It takes man strength to get it out of that park and Cruz made it look simple. Definitely found his boom stick.

RedFanAlways1966
10-13-2011, 01:46 PM
Call me old-fashioned or just old, but....

Good to see the Brewers put Mark Kotsay in CF b/c he has better career numbers against Chris Carpenter AT THE PLATE. Sure he hit a solo HR against Carpenter in the game. But his inability to catch a ball in CF (how old is Kotsay??) probably cost the Brewers the game. Top priority up the middle, defense or bat? Last night in the 1st inning backed the way I feel about this. Morgan or Gomez probably get to the ball. And they probably run the bases better too. But hey... I guess batting numbers count for more than defense or baserunning.

dabvu2498
10-13-2011, 07:42 PM
A cycle in an inning with no outs in Detroit. An impressive inning. CJ Wilson looks gassed.

757690
10-13-2011, 07:51 PM
A cycle in an inning with no outs in Detroit. An impressive inning. CJ Wilson looks gassed.

CJ is costing himself some serious money this postseason.

dougdirt
10-13-2011, 08:16 PM
His OPS is 1.700+. A full 200 points behind Alberts. His 9 ribeyes are quite nice though.

What about now?

Tom Servo
10-13-2011, 10:20 PM
I'm loving the Tigers/Rangers series, would care more about Cards/Brewers if I didn't kinda hate them both. :dunno:

savafan
10-13-2011, 10:53 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight yet, but there are two match-ups I'd like to see:

Rangers vs. Cardinals

or

Tigers vs. Brewers

OnBaseMachine
10-13-2011, 11:10 PM
Seriously Ron Roenicke? Brewers have a 4-2 lead in the 6th and have runners on 1st and 3rd with one out and Randy Wolf up...and Roenicke sac bunts with Wolf. Either pinch hit for let him swing away. A sac bunt made no sense there, IMO.

blumj
10-13-2011, 11:25 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight yet, but there are two match-ups I'd like to see:

Rangers vs. Cardinals

or

Tigers vs. Brewers

Just curious, what do you like better about those than Rangers-Brewers or Tigers-Cardinals?

MikeThierry
10-14-2011, 01:32 AM
Seriously Ron Roenicke? Brewers have a 4-2 lead in the 6th and have runners on 1st and 3rd with one out and Randy Wolf up...and Roenicke sac bunts with Wolf. Either pinch hit for let him swing away. A sac bunt made no sense there, IMO.

He has made some questionable decisions in this series. This wasn't the best managed game for both managers. I know the splits for Berkman against Wolf are not that great but I think his bat is needed in the lineup regardless. I also understood the logic of batting Freese as cleanup guy but he has been doing a lot of damage in that 7th hole all series long. There were some key situations where Ryan Theriot didn't get the job done batting in that spot tonight.

savafan
10-14-2011, 06:27 PM
Just curious, what do you like better about those than Rangers-Brewers or Tigers-Cardinals?

I just think the teams match up better for a more exciting series.

CTA513
10-15-2011, 12:26 AM
Cardinals now up 3-2 in the series after winning 7-1
The Brewers defense made sure they didn't have a shot at winning tonights game

gilpdawg
10-15-2011, 01:08 AM
Cardinals now up 3-2 in the series after winning 7-1
The Brewers defense made sure they didn't have a shot at winning tonights game

We all said when the season started that their Achilles heel was their defense. Not surprising at all.

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MikeThierry
10-15-2011, 01:38 AM
We all said when the season started that their Achilles heel was their defense. Not surprising at all.

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The Brewers looked almost as if they didn't come to play tonight. They mentioned on the MLB Network that it seemed that they were content with getting a win in St. Louis and heading back home instead of playing with some sort of urgency.

HokieRed
10-15-2011, 09:00 AM
NL series makes me feel a whole lot better about the Reds chances next season. Though the Cardinals will still be hard to get by, the Brewers look altogether beatable, and it's not just their defense. I really haven't seen them play that much this year, but doing so now, their rotation just doesn't impress me. Hard to see how Greinke and Marcum had the numbers they did; is the rest of the league just that bad?

Tony Cloninger
10-15-2011, 11:48 AM
I just think the teams match up better for a more exciting series.

want a team that's never won....win it. No way I want to hear about the new version of the Gashouse Gang go into the WS, let alone win it.

dabvu2498
10-15-2011, 09:17 PM
Holland needs to let a cat lick that mustache off his face.

Strikes Out Looking
10-15-2011, 10:00 PM
NL series makes me feel a whole lot better about the Reds chances next season. Though the Cardinals will still be hard to get by, the Brewers look altogether beatable, and it's not just their defense. I really haven't seen them play that much this year, but doing so now, their rotation just doesn't impress me. Hard to see how Greinke and Marcum had the numbers they did; is the rest of the league just that bad?

And it makes me feel a whole lot worse about the Reds 2011. They should have been in the series. The whole organization let us down in 2011 -- from the trainers, doctors, administrators, manager, coaches, and players -- and they should be embarrased that they are sitting home watching the NL series.

blumj
10-16-2011, 12:48 AM
And the Rangers are going back to the WS.

Matt700wlw
10-16-2011, 01:06 AM
And the Rangers are going back to the WS.

They look ready too.

Happy for Josh Hamilton :)

*BaseClogger*
10-16-2011, 05:08 AM
And the Rangers are going back to the WS.

They don't stand a chance--pitching wins championships... ;)

CTA513
10-16-2011, 09:19 PM
Cardinals up 4-0 in the 1st after Freese hits a 3 run homer

757690
10-16-2011, 10:47 PM
This NLCS is making me realize how far away the Brewers and Cardinals are from being true playoff teams. Makes me madder about this season for the Reds.

marcshoe
10-16-2011, 11:09 PM
Man, this is an ugly game. The Brewers look like the team we say opening day.

MikeThierry
10-16-2011, 11:48 PM
This NLCS is making me realize how far away the Brewers and Cardinals are from being true playoff teams. Makes me madder about this season for the Reds.

The offense and the bullpen for the Cards have been very good though. It is interesting that none of the teams that played in the Championship Series had starting rotations with ERA's under 4. That is totally uncharacteristic from most years. It has just been an odd year all together.

blumj
10-16-2011, 11:53 PM
The Cards and Rangers are similar that way, bats and bullpens. The 2002 Angels formula.

traderumor
10-16-2011, 11:57 PM
Wait, when did the Cards get a bullpen? They've had a good streak, but its been a totally different usage pattern. Tony may just be wearing them out in this series.

757690
10-16-2011, 11:58 PM
Wait, when did the Cards get a bullpen? They've had a good streak, but its been a totally different usage pattern. Tony may just be wearing them out in this series.

They traded Colby Rasmus for one. Literally. And it has paid off quite well so far.

MikeThierry
10-17-2011, 12:04 AM
Wait, when did the Cards get a bullpen? They've had a good streak, but its been a totally different usage pattern. Tony may just be wearing them out in this series.


The reason why they went on that run is because the bullpen was totally made over. They finally got good left handed pitchers with Rzepczynski. Arthur Rhodes has surprisingly been good after his terrible year with the Rangers. Dotel has been really good against right handed hitters. The biggest one is Motte. He learned a secondary pitch mid-point during the season and has been dominant. There was a stretch where he only allowed 1 earned run in a stretch from Mid-June to September. Lance Lynn and Salas have been huge as well.

The Cards pen went essentially from old washed up guys (Ryan Franklin, Bautista, etc.) to a pen that had young, power arms.

By the way, I appologize for discussing this here in this thread but I think it deserved an explanation.

The Operator
10-17-2011, 12:56 AM
Sigh... Cardinals are in the WS. I picked a bad day to stop popping pills.

mbgrayson
10-17-2011, 12:56 AM
Cards are in the World Series. Wow. Just wow....

mdccclxix
10-17-2011, 12:59 AM
That's why they play the games folks. The Brewers, Cards and Reds all needed pitching, especially bullpen, help in July. Guess who did what and who ended up where?

Roy Tucker
10-17-2011, 01:07 AM
That's why they play the games folks. The Brewers, Cards and Reds all needed pitching, especially bullpen, help in July. Guess who did what and who ended up where?

Yup.

And that's why you don't mail it in for the last 6 weeks of a season. I'm still pissed about that. Bah.

And now we have to watch the Cardinals in the WS. Ugh. You could have gotten pretty big odds on that about the start of AUgust.

vaticanplum
10-17-2011, 01:08 AM
Bananas. Good for them, though. This is a team that's really stepped it up in recent weeks. I think they deserve to be there.

blumj
10-17-2011, 01:11 AM
Hey, remember this:


In a radio interview with 1560 AM in Houston, Berkman, who signed with the St. Louis Cardinals in December, said he chose the Cardinals because he felt the Rangers would be "an average team" without lefthander Cliff Lee in the upcoming season.


"I probably could have gotten the best deal out of (the Rangers), especially in light of what they gave Adrian Beltre, which I think is pretty much of a reach for him," Berkman said.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-01-29/cj-wilson-defends-rangers-following-lance-berkman-comments

The Operator
10-17-2011, 01:31 AM
It's amazing how players start shooting their mouths off no sooner than the ink dries on that Cardinal contract.

I hope The Rangers dismantle every aspect of that team in a humiliating fashion. But I've said that every series so far so I'm sure they'll win it all. I'll start stocking up on barf bags tomorrow.

WMR
10-17-2011, 01:53 AM
At least we still got our prospects.

The Operator
10-17-2011, 01:54 AM
At least we still got our prospects.Do we ever. I've been told that Walt is happy with what we have. I wonder how he feels about the team that canned him going to the World Series.

Rojo
10-17-2011, 02:21 AM
Ron Darling sounds like actor James Woods and John Smoltz sounds like Troy Aikman. Anyone confer?

dougdirt
10-17-2011, 03:05 AM
Yup.

And that's why you don't mail it in for the last 6 weeks of a season. I'm still pissed about that. Bah.


So because the second largest comeback in the history of the game happened, you think its reason that we should have made a push for it (never mind that at that point we were even further back than the Cardinals were)?

With 6 weeks left (8/15), the Cardinals were 6 back of first. We were 5.5 back of the Cardinals. I guess you can be upset about us not going for it.... but it would have been pretty stupid to try and make moves for 2011 at the end of July.

757690
10-17-2011, 03:11 AM
Do we ever. I've been told that Walt is happy with what we have. I wonder how he feels about the team that canned him going to the World Series.

Actually, the Cardinal and Brewer's success this season supports Jockerty's plan.

While it's true that the two teams "went all in" this season, causing severe damage to their organization as a whole, the overall product they produced wasn't that good, and yet they made it deep into the playoffs and one team will be in the World Series.

Both teams have significant shortcomings in crucial areas, and talent wise, are really not much better than the Reds. The fact that they made it so far, tells me that the best approach is to build around an 85-90 win team, and just hope for the best every year.

The advantage the Reds have is that they don't have to harm their future in order to accomplish that over the next few seasons. The Cards and Brewers already have.

MikeThierry
10-17-2011, 03:32 AM
Actually, the Cardinal and Brewer's success this season supports Jockerty's plan.

While it's true that the two teams "went all in" this season, causing severe damage to their organization as a whole, the overall product they produced wasn't that good, and yet they made it deep into the playoffs and one team will be in the World Series.

Both teams have significant shortcomings in crucial areas, and talent wise, are really not much better than the Reds. The fact that they made it so far, tells me that the best approach is to build around an 85-90 win team, and just hope for the best every year.

The advantage the Reds have is that they don't have to harm their future in order to accomplish that over the next few seasons. The Cards and Brewers already have.


Just curious, where did the Cards harm themselves for the future? By giving up a center fielder that will not live up to his potential because he is a head case? The Cards gave up very little. Besides, even if Rasmus does live up to his potential, I would give him up in a second if that means that they have the chance to win the World Series. That is ultimately what this game is about, not developing so called potential that might not even work out. Rings>potential. I think the Brewers are more hurt with the moves they made because they emptied their farm system where as the Cards didn't really even touch theirs. They had to give up a prospect for Furcal but that prospect was never really highly rated.

I would agree that the Reds bullpen is slightly better than the Cards but to say that they aren't really that much better than the Reds in certain areas is, I don't feel, that accurate. If you look at the Cards lineup, there isn't a single player outside of Votto and Phillips I would take over the Cards lineup. I don't mean to dump on the Reds because I think they will be a dominant team in a couple of years when their talent hits full stride but right now, I think you have to give the edge to the Cards lineup at least. For example, the Cards outfield was the most productive outfield in the national league and an argument could be made that they were the most productive outfield in baseball. Their bench was deeper than the Reds. I'm sorry to go into this but I just think your statement doesn't give the Brewers or Cards much credit for the teams that they put on the field.

gilpdawg
10-17-2011, 03:36 AM
Just curious, where did the Cards harm themselves for the future? By giving up a center fielder that will not live up to his potential because he is a head case? The Cards gave up very little. Besides, even if Rasmus does live up to his potential, I would give him up in a second if that means that they have the chance to win the World Series. That is ultimately what this game is about, not developing so called potential that might not even work out. Rings>potential. I think the Brewers are more hurt with the moves they made because they emptied their farm system where as the Cards didn't really even touch theirs. They had to give up a prospect for Furcal but that prospect was never really highly rated.

Rasmus is only a head case if you are drinking the TLR kool aid. Remember there's two sides to every story.

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MikeThierry
10-17-2011, 03:44 AM
Rasmus is only a head case if you are drinking the TLR kool aid. Remember there's two sides to every story.

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Rasmus has father issues and is the kind of guy that just doesn't get it. It has nothing to do with me supporting TLR's side or not. In a recent interview in Toronto, he stated he was glad to be getting away and is not going to work on anything in the off season. To me, that isn't a mentality of a winning player or a player that wants to better himself. Even national guys who have no love for TLR are starting to come into agreement with the opinion that Rasmus is a head case. This is why I felt it was smart to get rid of Rasmus before clubs figured out he is another BJ Upton.

cumberlandreds
10-17-2011, 08:39 AM
I don't think its a coincidence that the Cardinals starting playing much better ball after the Rasmus trade. Sometimes there is addition by subtraction. I'm not saying that is the main reason for their turnaround but it had to be a part of it.

gilpdawg
10-17-2011, 09:52 AM
Rasmus has father issues and is the kind of guy that just doesn't get it. It has nothing to do with me supporting TLR's side or not. In a recent interview in Toronto, he stated he was glad to be getting away and is not going to work on anything in the off season. To me, that isn't a mentality of a winning player or a player that wants to better himself. Even national guys who have no love for TLR are starting to come into agreement with the opinion that Rasmus is a head case. This is why I felt it was smart to get rid of Rasmus before clubs figured out he is another BJ Upton.
I read that. Didn't seem that bad to me. Seems like he's burned out because he didn't have a great year and got traded and it was tough for him. In the same article Farrell said he'd been working on stuff, so, who knows. I still think he's going to be very good at his peak, but that's just my opinion, man. #biglebowski :D
Good luck to your guys in the Series, Mike. I'll be rooting for Tejas but I'll be happy for you if they win.

MattyHo4Life
10-17-2011, 10:01 AM
I read that. Didn't seem that bad to me. Seems like he's burned out because he didn't have a great year and got traded and it was tough for him. In the same article Farrell said he'd been working on stuff, so, who knows. I still think he's going to be very good at his peak, but that's just my opinion, man. #biglebowski :D

Well, I didn't think it was that bad either. However, If I were a Blue Jays fan, and he has another rough season, then comments like he made in that article will seem much worse. When your team trades for a player, you always hope for the best. You hope that the problems that they "reportedly" had with their past team won't follow them. I have no idea where the problems originated. It could be with Rasmus or it could be with LaRussa. I'm leaning towards Rasmus since the rest of the young players on the team in 2011 didn't seem to have the same problems. Also, Rasmus didn't have a breakthrough year in Toronto once he finally got away from LaRussa, which you would expect. I do think 2012 will be a telling year for Rasmus though. He has a chance to prove that the problems were with Larussa and not created by himself. I've always liked Colby, and I do hope for the best with him. Regardless of how Colby's career goes, I do think the Cardinals made a good decision to trade him. Rasmus was never going to reach his potential with the Cardinals. So they swapped him and two relievers that the Blue Jays have already released for 3 pitchers that have helped get them to the World Series.

mdccclxix
10-17-2011, 11:23 AM
I've never looked at the Cardinals, or Brewers, lineups and said, "wow, the Reds have them smoked." In fact, they always look equally or more formidable to me. I'll also state for the record that losing Fielder is not going to make the Brewers become the Astros, or even Cubs. There is a lot of quality left in that lineup and adding a guy similar to Pena or Branyan that can hit 25-30 HR will ease the pain. Their rotation is still set up better than the Reds next year.

Wainwright
Carpenter
Garcia
Lohse

Gallardo
Grienke
Marcum
Wolf

Those are both better than what the Reds have:

Cueto
?
?
?

I'm just tired of seeing the blind criticism of those two teams, they will be tough to beat in 2012.

MikeThierry
10-17-2011, 02:14 PM
I read that. Didn't seem that bad to me. Seems like he's burned out because he didn't have a great year and got traded and it was tough for him. In the same article Farrell said he'd been working on stuff, so, who knows. I still think he's going to be very good at his peak, but that's just my opinion, man. #biglebowski :D
Good luck to your guys in the Series, Mike. I'll be rooting for Tejas but I'll be happy for you if they win.

Maybe I am too hard on the guy. I just think one of the worst things in sports is wasted talent. I just see it with that kid. I hope he has a successful career. Heck, I get angry at Garcia all the time because he has all the talent in the world but just hasn't learned to control his emotions and he lets his emotions get to him on the playing field. It is just annoying pet peeve of mine I guess. All of that said, I think you trade potential for a chance to win a World Series at any opportunity.

I have a feeling a lot of posters here will be rooting for the Rangers. They are a real fun team to watch. I love watching Ron Washington get into the game. He is a great players manager. If there is a team that I don't mind the Cards losing to, it would be the Rangers.

pedro
10-17-2011, 02:36 PM
No offense to the fans of the Cardinals, who in my interactions with them both here and in the "real" world seem both likable and knowledgeable when compared to many other pro sports fans, but I hate the freaking Cardinals. That much being said, I love me some baseball and hope for a competitive seven game series with the Rangers prevailing in the end.

757690
10-18-2011, 03:16 AM
Gotta Luv The Onion...

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/tony-la-russa-proving-that-you-can-win-with-an-ins,26368/

Ron Madden
10-18-2011, 04:11 AM
Well, it's the World Series and there has only been One Time in my entire life that I ever rooted for an AL Club. (Angels over the Giants in 2002) Quite a bit of money was at stake there and at the time I hated Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent.
I was pretty happy when the AL won but I kinda felt like a traitor.

As much as I dislike Chris Carpenter and Tony LaRussa, I'll be rooting for the NL again this year.

I'm not ashamed to admit it and I know deep in my heart that it takes absolutely no credibility away from my being a Life Long Die Hard Reds Fan.

That's just how I roll. ;)

kaldaniels
10-19-2011, 09:31 PM
A World Series thread would be nice, but I'll let someone else start it.

1st thought - Might want to turn off Chris Carpenter's mike, kids are watching.

redsmetz
10-19-2011, 09:32 PM
A World Series thread would be nice, but I'll let someone else start it.

1st thought - Might want to turn off Chris Carpenter's mike, kids are watching.

I've already written it on Facebook, how will he explain this to his son?

savafan
10-19-2011, 09:34 PM
A World Series thread would be nice, but I'll let someone else start it.

1st thought - Might want to turn off Chris Carpenter's mike, kids are watching.

No kidding!

dabvu2498
10-19-2011, 09:35 PM
A World Series thread would be nice, but I'll let someone else start it.

1st thought - Might want to turn off Chris Carpenter's mike, kids are watching.

Andrus was a lot classier than I would have been on that play at the bag in the 1st.

Carpenter is a clown.

757690
10-19-2011, 09:37 PM
I like the Cards in game one, but the Rangers in the whole series.

Carpenter may be a jerk, but I would want him pitching game one of a World Series for my team. And while C.J. Wilson may be a nice guy, I just don't see him as a big game pitcher.

kaldaniels
10-19-2011, 09:50 PM
I like the Cards in game one, but the Rangers in the whole series.

Carpenter may be a jerk, but I would want him pitching game one of a World Series for my team. And while C.J. Wilson may be a nice guy, I just don't see him as a big game pitcher.

As for Carpenter, my sentiments are the same. If I want results, I want him on my team. He is a great competitor, in the sense that he gives it his all (not a great competitor of the sportsmanship type). But as mentioned above, he is a clown.

The Operator
10-19-2011, 09:59 PM
I missed the beginning of the game. What did Crissy do?

kaldaniels
10-19-2011, 10:02 PM
I missed the beginning of the game. What did Crissy do?

Remember the game earlier this year where his f bomb was caught by the mikes loud and clear?

Tonight it was the gd bomb. (If I'm correct, on a ball 2 pitch :nono:)

The Operator
10-19-2011, 10:11 PM
Remember the game earlier this year where his f bomb was caught by the mikes loud and clear?

Tonight it was the gd bomb. (If I'm correct, on a ball 2 pitch :nono:)A class act, that Crissy.

blumj
10-19-2011, 10:34 PM
Okay, I'll admit I'm a little obsessed with this, but Mike Napoli was traded before the season for Vernon Wells and his contract, then again for Frank Francisco.

savafan
10-19-2011, 11:10 PM
Did I just hear both McCarver and Buck refer to Albert as Poo-Joles?

savafan
10-19-2011, 11:22 PM
With his impeccable on base percentage, it's a mystery to me why Ron Washington hasn't put Chuck "Walker" Norris into the game yet.

savafan
10-19-2011, 11:30 PM
Why are we continuing to march out "God Bless America" during the 7th inning stretch in October? No offense intended to anyone, but it makes no sense.

Redsfan320
10-20-2011, 12:06 AM
Anyone catch McCarver say "strike" was a five-letter word, then correct himself the next inning. :rolleyes:

320

CTA513
10-20-2011, 12:14 AM
Cardinals win game #1 3-2

Motte might have thrown more non fastballs to Cruz then he has this whole postseason.

blumj
10-20-2011, 12:16 AM
Can't manage to get through one game of the WS without an obviously wrong call by an umpire.

HeatherC1212
10-20-2011, 12:19 AM
The nightmare continues.... :(

savafan
10-20-2011, 12:20 AM
Cardinals as the wild card team getting home field advantage in the World Series.

Shaking my head...

blumj
10-20-2011, 12:34 AM
Cardinals as the wild card team getting home field advantage in the World Series.

Shaking my head...
It seems not so wrong if you remember who losing pitcher of the ASG was.

MikeThierry
10-20-2011, 01:17 AM
Cardinals as the wild card team getting home field advantage in the World Series.

Shaking my head...

I don't like the system but heck, it gives the Cards an advantage so I like it for this week I guess :D

By the way, watching the game it looked like Josh Hamilton had an injury of some sort, maybe a groin injury. If that is true, I think it changes the dynamic of the series.

Roy Tucker
10-20-2011, 09:31 AM
The Cards have their mojo working.

A hot wild card team that looks like they can do no wrong and Abner LaRussa is pushing all the right buttons. A Cardinal tsunami is looming...

klw
10-20-2011, 09:38 AM
By the way, watching the game it looked like Josh Hamilton had an injury of some sort, maybe a groin injury. If that is true, I think it changes the dynamic of the series.

Hamilton has been dealing with a groin injury for a while.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Painful-groin-strain-limits-Josh-Hamilton-s-powe?urn=mlb-wp23917

MattyHo4Life
10-20-2011, 12:31 PM
Cardinals as the wild card team getting home field advantage in the World Series.

Shaking my head...

The same thing happened in 2004 as well. The Cardinals had the best record in MLB but the Wild Card Red Sox had home field advantage in the World Series.

WMR
10-20-2011, 12:47 PM
Are the Cards seriously going to win another WS.

Gag me with a spoon. :barf:

cumberlandreds
10-20-2011, 02:26 PM
Are the Cards seriously going to win another WS.

Gag me with a spoon. :barf:

What size spoon do you want? I believe we'll need it for you. ;)

blumj
10-20-2011, 04:16 PM
The same thing happened in 2004 as well. The Cardinals had the best record in MLB but the Wild Card Red Sox had home field advantage in the World Series.
Roger Clemens blew that ASG, he owed the Red Sox one, this one's on CJ Wilson.

Matt700wlw
10-20-2011, 10:51 PM
Are the Cards seriously going to win another WS.



Probably.

:bang:

savafan
10-20-2011, 11:53 PM
107 post season games for the Cardinals franchise, and they've never been involved in a 1-0 game. :)

blumj
10-20-2011, 11:56 PM
Quite an impressive jinx by FOX there.

mbgrayson
10-21-2011, 12:13 AM
Happy Flight Cardinals!!! lol

savafan
10-21-2011, 12:21 AM
Tony LaRussa on To Tell The Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1oHrygsiNfc

I love to hate on him, but if I was to be honest, I'd love to have him in the Reds dugout. Such a stark, stark contrast from Dusty Baker.

MikeThierry
10-21-2011, 12:23 AM
That was one of the few times I have seen Albert make a mental error. If he catches that ball, the runner stays on at first and they go into extra innings. Disappointing loss but there is still plenty of games left to play.

The Operator
10-21-2011, 12:25 AM
This game could not have gone better. The Cardinals snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, just how I love it. 3 more of these, please!

Roy Tucker
10-21-2011, 12:44 AM
Really surprised the Cards pitched to Hamilton in the 9th instead of walking him to set up the force at every base. It's a dire situation, but you have to play the percentages.

MikeThierry
10-21-2011, 12:46 AM
Really surprised the Cards pitched to Hamilton in the 9th instead of walking him to set up the force at every base. It's a dire situation, but you have to play the percentages.

He has looked horrible all night with that injury. Right now I think Michael Young is more likely to hurt you than Hamilton. I could have gone either way with walking Hamilton or pitching to him. I think if Hamilton wasn't suffering from a groin injury, they would have walked him.

Ron Madden
10-21-2011, 04:12 AM
I'm just glad to still have actual baseball games to listen to , watch, read about and discuss.

Damn I Dread Winter!

redsfandan
10-21-2011, 06:05 AM
Good game and a big win for the Rangers. Hopefully they take advantage of it.

kbrake
10-21-2011, 07:48 AM
So Pujols, Berkman, Molina, Holliday, and others didn't stay to talk to the media after the game? Why am I not surprised? I understand it was a tough game but it is game 2 and you're tied 1-1. It is like its the mission of the Cardinals to prove Brandon Phillips right at least once a month. Bunch of little....

RANDY IN INDY
10-21-2011, 12:50 PM
I've enjoyed the Series, so far. Good baseball. The one curious thing that I don't understand is how Ron Washington can let Ogando throw Allen Craig the same pitch, low in the strike zone, that beat him the night before. Seems like he might not want to let Ogando pitch to Craig anymore. That was not good baseball, particularly when Craig is a good low ball hitter.

Roy Tucker
10-21-2011, 01:17 PM
I've enjoyed the Series, so far. Good baseball. The one curious thing that I don't understand is how Ron Washington can let Ogando throw Allen Craig the same pitch, low in the strike zone, that beat him the night before. Seems like he might not want to let Ogando pitch to Craig anymore. That was not good baseball, particularly when Craig is a good low ball hitter.

Last night, I think Napoli wanted the pitch high but Ogando missed pretty badly and put it low and outside. At least IIRC.

I agree about the games. It's been good, taut, post-season baseball. A playoff crowd just has a different sound to it. The crowd reacts loudly to most every pitch, AB, out, hit, scoring play, etc. I miss post-season baseball at GABP :(

Strikes Out Looking
10-21-2011, 02:24 PM
So Pujols, Berkman, Molina, Holliday, and others didn't stay to talk to the media after the game? Why am I not surprised? I understand it was a tough game but it is game 2 and you're tied 1-1. It is like its the mission of the Cardinals to prove Brandon Phillips right at least once a month. Bunch of little....

They were busy trying to explain the loss to Carpenter's son.

I'm not surprised they did this. I'm just hoping it was Albert's last home game in St. Louis.

pedro
10-21-2011, 02:37 PM
Good games so far.

Really have enjoyed it.

RBA
10-21-2011, 05:01 PM
Cardinals players, not a class act. Ran from the media like Lebron James.

Reds/Flyers Fan
10-21-2011, 07:12 PM
Could the Cardinals be any more unlikable? The worst sore losers in sports. And that was before this happened last night:

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/10/21/pujols-other-cards-stars-dodge-media/

CTA513
10-21-2011, 07:19 PM
Could the Cardinals be any more unlikable? The worst sore losers in sports. And that was before this happened last night:

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/10/21/pujols-other-cards-stars-dodge-media/

they are good at getting people to talk about them.

RED VAN HOT
10-21-2011, 11:38 PM
One thing that was initially mentioned but not discussed later was the Cardinal decision to play the outfield deep at the start of the inning to prevent an XBH. Fox did say that Kinsler's leadoff hit would not have fallen otherwise. In retrospect, that was the key to the inning.

I have not been a fan of setting the defense that way with no outs. There are too many ways to get the runner into scoring position if a single results. Anyway, to me it was a case of LaRussa over-managing. That made the outcome a little sweeter for me.

The Operator
10-22-2011, 04:34 AM
Pujols is unapologetic, even going so far as to criticize the media for their protroyal of the event:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7132804/world-series-2011-st-louis-cardinals-albert-pujols-unapologetic-skipping-media-game-2

That St. Louis ball club is just bubbling over with class.

Ron Madden
10-22-2011, 04:41 AM
One thing that was initially mentioned but not discussed later was the Cardinal decision to play the outfield deep at the start of the inning to prevent an XBH. Fox did say that Kinsler's leadoff hit would not have fallen otherwise. In retrospect, that was the key to the inning.

I have not been a fan of setting the defense that way with no outs. There are too many ways to get the runner into scoring position if a single results. Anyway, to me it was a case of LaRussa over-managing. That made the outcome a little sweeter for me.

Very good point and I agree 100%.

membengal
10-22-2011, 07:50 AM
Pujols is unapologetic, even going so far as to criticize the media for their protroyal of the event:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7132804/world-series-2011-st-louis-cardinals-albert-pujols-unapologetic-skipping-media-game-2

That St. Louis ball club is just bubbling over with class.

they make it so easy to hate them.

kaldaniels
10-22-2011, 10:15 AM
they make it so easy to hate them.

I love how Albert drags God and family into the discussion of his cowardness.

Matt700wlw
10-22-2011, 12:45 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/world-series-albert-pujols-st-louis-cardinals-players-need-media-and-should-answer-questions-even-after-loss-102111

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_pujols_world_series_game_two_cardinals_1020 11

Such a classy bunch.

CTA513
10-22-2011, 01:13 PM
the freakout if the Cardinals win the World Series will be hilarious

remdog
10-22-2011, 02:37 PM
That was one of the few times I have seen Albert make a mental error. If he catches that ball, the runner stays on at first and they go into extra innings. Disappointing loss but there is still plenty of games left to play.

Didn't disapoint me in the least, Mike.

Rem

remdog
10-22-2011, 02:45 PM
For me, the cards (opps I meant WLBs) have replaced the Yankees and the Red Sox as the most despised team(s) in baseball.

Rem

RANDY IN INDY
10-22-2011, 02:45 PM
Pujols has looked disengaged to me. Maybe time (or something else) is starting to catch up with him.

remdog
10-22-2011, 03:21 PM
I'll just say that Albert is the second best hitter I've ever personally seen (after Ted Williams). I've always considered him a stand-up guy and I'd like to have him on my team (except not at the money, age and lenth of contract he's asking for).

It was disapointing for me that he hid somewhere else instead of being available for questions. Defensively, he's pretty good. Even the best fielder that the game has ever known (whoever that may be) made an error once in awhile. In the WS everything is under a magnifing glass and, sooner or later, you're going to be asked about it. Why not just answer the questions, get it out of the way and move on?

As for the other cowards that hid out, I totally loathe them.

savafan
10-22-2011, 03:41 PM
Albert is always a class act.

http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/imagesfakeout.gif