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FireDusty
10-07-2011, 02:33 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/10/06/boxberger-starts-in-style/

"Boxberger, the 23-year-old right-hander, went 2-4 with a 2.03 ERA while splitting time pretty evenly between Double-A Carolina and Triple-A Louisville. In 62 innings, he allowed 32 hits, walked 28 and struck out 93."

The Enquirer

My Take: Do we really want to live with heart attack Cordero for millions when we could live with, at worst, a heart attack rookie for 2 pop tarts and a scoobie snack?

The DARK
10-07-2011, 02:41 PM
Perhaps, since Cordero was pretty decent this year and there's plenty of time for Box to learn the ropes in AAA or a middle relief/setup role. Cordero would be back for significantly cheaper as well. You saw what happened when we overpromoted Jordan Smith before his time... now imagine putting him into a closer role.

Stray
10-07-2011, 02:44 PM
I don't really follow our minor leagues at all so I can't comment on Boxberger. If he is ready then I'd love for him to make the jump, especially with the lack of reliable guys in our pen.

And with Coco always making me nervous, like I'm sure he does every other Reds fan, he still had a really good year. We can do a lot worse... It all depends on what kind of money he'd be asking for in a 2 year deal.

brm7675
10-07-2011, 03:22 PM
To me it comes down to $$$ I would only resign him for a 2 year deal and no more then 3-4 million per year, anything more I thank Co-Co for his service and wish him well.

herbdizzle
10-08-2011, 02:30 PM
I would just let Cordero walk. The 10 million spent on him this year coupled with the 4-5 million spent on Hernandez/Gomes/Renteria can be used to pay for 1 legit FA pitcher. I'd bring up Boxberger and throw him in the 8th inning role right away. The Reds have plenty of bullpen arms that they don't need Masset or Cordero. You're telling me that the Reds can't find a useful 8th inning/closer from the group of:

1) Arredondo
2) Bray
3) Ondrusek
4) Lecure
5) Wood
6) Volquez
7) Boxberger

The Reds need 1 legit starter to get them over the top and Cordero's money allows them to do that. He served his purpose here and I wish him well but he's not a championship caliber closer now or ever.

Stray
10-08-2011, 03:52 PM
I would just let Cordero walk. The 10 million spent on him this year coupled with the 4-5 million spent on Hernandez/Gomes/Renteria can be used to pay for 1 legit FA pitcher. I'd bring up Boxberger and throw him in the 8th inning role right away. The Reds have plenty of bullpen arms that they don't need Masset or Cordero. You're telling me that the Reds can't find a useful 8th inning/closer from the group of:

1) Arredondo
2) Bray
3) Ondrusek
4) Lecure
5) Wood
6) Volquez
7) Boxberger

The Reds need 1 legit starter to get them over the top and Cordero's money allows them to do that. He served his purpose here and I wish him well but he's not a championship caliber closer now or ever.

I agree we could use a TOR starter. Since you're asking of those listed who could close...hmm

Arredondo - If our options are only these guys listed I'm going with him.
Bray - His numbers say he's good, I just wouldn't feel comfortable with him as a closer. Could he handle the workload a closer would get a good team (hopefully)?
Ondrusek - Please no. He wore down by mid summer.
Lecure - Maybe. He has the stamina to do it at least.
Wood - Doesn't throw enough strikes. Does not attack hitters, he nibbles at the plate. Not the kind of approach I would want in that role.
Volquez - Interesting thought, definitely has the stuff. He'd have to show us a lot more before he'd ever get the chance though.
Boxberger - I admittedly don't know that much about him. That would be a huge jump though.

Cordero has already said he's happy here. Ideally he'd sign a 2 year contract that will be affordable for us. Just my 0.02.

nux fan
10-08-2011, 03:52 PM
agree enough money has been wasted on cordero, low market teams must not overspend for closers, the braves grow their own closers, dont pay for useless cordero

Vottomatic
10-08-2011, 06:58 PM
I would just let Cordero walk. The 10 million spent on him this year coupled with the 4-5 million spent on Hernandez/Gomes/Renteria can be used to pay for 1 legit FA pitcher. I'd bring up Boxberger and throw him in the 8th inning role right away. The Reds have plenty of bullpen arms that they don't need Masset or Cordero. You're telling me that the Reds can't find a useful 8th inning/closer from the group of:

1) Arredondo
2) Bray
3) Ondrusek
4) Lecure
5) Wood
6) Volquez
7) Boxberger

The Reds need 1 legit starter to get them over the top and Cordero's money allows them to do that. He served his purpose here and I wish him well but he's not a championship caliber closer now or ever.

I'd let him walk too. Bring up Boxberger. If they are still concerned about the bullpen, use the saved money to sign some free agents or make some trades to add bullpen help.

redsfanmia
10-19-2011, 09:38 PM
I think Bronson should be our closer next year, I think he could be the next Dennis Eckersley.

Tuff Nut
10-19-2011, 10:21 PM
I think Bronson should be our closer next year, I think he could be the next Dennis Eckersley.
Not in GABP..... He gives up WWWAAAAAAAYYYYYY too many homeruns.

redsfanmia
10-20-2011, 04:04 PM
Not in GABP..... He gives up WWWAAAAAAAYYYYYY too many homeruns.

Usually not in the first though.

Tuff Nut
10-20-2011, 07:52 PM
Usually not in the first though.
I'd still rather not chance it.........Hope he gets it together this OS, and comes into camp, in better health, and can produce. IF not, then he becomes another waste of space and money.

Mark T
10-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Most inside people know that a reliable reliever can also be a closer, and that the "closer" is really a macho-man thing. The idea that it is a high-skill position, like 2nd base or shortstop, pleases the fans. It's just a reliever with a fu-Manchu.

Much better to spend money elsewhere.

dMaus14
10-21-2011, 02:04 PM
I would say to go with either Boxberger or Chapman in that role and save money for other relievers or SP because wants the point in giving a CL even $5 mil if you can't get there because your SP sucks and your bullpen sucks. That's like saying you've got the greatest ending to a movie but no story or climax. I will say that I didn't think our bullpen did that bad because its tough when at the beginning of the season when your starting pitchers are going 5-6 innings every outing. I think Dusty has no idea what's going on in the bullpen because at the beginning of the season he has no faith in his starters so he taxes the bullpen, then at the end of the season he has no faith in the bullpen so he taxes our SP. I say we get rid of Co-Co and use that money to hire a new manager.

The Rage
10-21-2011, 09:14 PM
The Reds bullpen was probably the most disappointing part of the 2011 Reds(and overrated in 2010). But these things can fly around a bit. They lacked depth last year and didn't make the good pitches. That can change with the same cast and a addition(Boxberger).

Vottomatic
10-22-2011, 06:31 PM
Yeah, I hope Boxberger is the real deal and can fill one of the many voids in the bullpen.

I'd save Cordero's money and let him walk. Then I'd use the savings to bring in some new blood. Possibly try to trade Masset. Dude makes me cringe every time he comes into the game. He's Cordero, Jr.

Mutaman
10-22-2011, 08:13 PM
Most inside people know that a reliable reliever can also be a closer, and that the "closer" is really a macho-man thing.


Who are these "inside" people? What else do they say?

LegallyMinded
10-29-2011, 08:08 PM
Who are these "inside" people? What else do they say?

I'm not sure who the "insiders" are, but the idea that any effective reliever can be a closer isn't much of a stretch. Just look at some of the top closers in the game last year-- pitchers like Axeford, Valverde and Putz didn't spring into being as closers. Instead, they were simply effective relievers who were converted to closers, and I think the Reds could certainly try something similar with Masset.

webbbj
10-29-2011, 10:12 PM
agree w/ the above. honestly whats the difference btw a guy that can shut down the the from the 9th?

Anyways i think bullpens are so misused and the closer especially by every manger its laughable.

it could be the 8th inning in a 2-1 game and the opposing team has 345 hitters coming to the plate and they bring in the the 8th inning guy when supposedly the closer the best reliever, should be the guy coming in to shut down the toughest part of the lineup.

7th, 8th and 9th inning pitchers should all be interchangeable depending on the matchups for a particular inninig. if 123 is coming up in the 7th, why is the manager not using his closer that inning and saving his 7th inning guy for the 9th inning when 789 s due

brad1176
10-31-2011, 10:33 AM
Boxberger needs to in AAA in 2012. He just got out of AA last year, don't want to risk bringing him in too soon. The difference in a closer vs. other pitchers is mentalality. Pitching the final inning knowing everyone is counting on you to finish the game is very tough. Every hit, walk, and strike they throw is critiqued. I've heard a lot of people saying Chapman should be the closer, bad idea. He folds in high pressure situations. As a starter, you can get away with some walks and if you give up three runs, they call it a quality start. Not so as a closer, give up three runs on a consistent basis and your clicking the blue light at Kmart.

The Rage
10-31-2011, 12:26 PM
Box threw plenty of innings at AAA. Being a reliever is not like being a starter. Starters you pamper, Relievers you ride.

stripedwarrior
11-01-2011, 10:21 PM
I'm not sure who the "insiders" are, but the idea that any effective reliever can be a closer isn't much of a stretch. Just look at some of the top closers in the game last year-- pitchers like Axeford, Valverde and Putz didn't spring into being as closers. Instead, they were simply effective relievers who were converted to closers, and I think the Reds could certainly try something similar with Masset.

That's why Arthur Rhodes was able to be a quality closer in Baltimore and Seattle. Oh wait, he couldn't cut it as a closer. Hmm. What to make of that?

Bring back Stormy!!!:D