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texasdave
10-13-2011, 08:30 PM
Arroyo never wants to experience a season like this one again. He's planned major changes to his offseason routine that make clear where his priorities lie.
If it's not about baseball, it's probably not on Arroyo's agenda.

It appears as if Bronson plans to go down swinging. You can't really ask for more than that. This team needs a huge bounceback season out of Arroyo.

Only one discouraging line in the whole article. Father time is undefeated.


"Everything that I do, I have to go above and beyond to try and counteract either age or whatever it is so I can come back and throw the ball a little bit harder. I really think if I can throw the ball 90-91 mph, I can have the same seasons I've always had."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111013&content_id=25636718&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin&partnerId=rss_cin

AintlifeGrande
10-13-2011, 09:40 PM
Good for him.That spring training Mono really tooks its toll on him.Bronson is such a competitor,he is hard headed when it comes to taking time off to heal.He's been sick as a dog on many occasions,yet would not miss a start.Hopefully he has realized age is catching up with him,and he cant go ''all out ''anymore.

LeDoux
10-14-2011, 02:56 AM
Like most, I am worried about Arroyo next year. But I do think he is a good candidate for a bounceback since he has never been a fireballer to begin with. A little rest and another trick or two and he might be back to eating innings like a champ.

texasdave
10-14-2011, 09:11 AM
It would be huge if Bronson was dealing bigtime in 2012.

lidspinner
10-14-2011, 09:59 AM
I dont think we ever would or could question Bronsons desire to be great....but sometimes desire is just that, I wish him the best of luck cause when he is on, he is tough to tangle with....

bounty37h
10-14-2011, 10:26 AM
I am glad to hear it, but hope he doesnt overdue it to where his body isnt able to rest up-recover from this season and burned out next year.

Vottomatic
10-14-2011, 10:32 AM
I do think Arroyo will bounce back. I definitely think the Mono affected his season.

But if I'm wrong I'll eat.............some ribs or a steak or something. I'm not eating my words or crow, that's for sure. :D

FireDusty
10-14-2011, 02:26 PM
He is just so honest...that's what I love about him.....he was getting lit up like a pin ball machine against lefties throwing that cute little 87 MPH fastball in side.

The difference between hitting your spot inside at 87 & 91? At 87...it's in the seats. At 91....it's in a glove.

texasdave
10-14-2011, 04:43 PM
Age MPH-FB
28 89.5
29 89.0
30 88.4
31 88.3
32 88.5
33 88.0
34 87.0

Another note on Arroyo. Even though the velocity on his fastball was down he threw it much more often in 2011 than he did 2010. In 2010 39.5% of his pitches were fastballs. In 2011 that number increased to 46.2% Conversely the percentage of changeups he threw dropped in 2011, from 25.0% to 17.6%. His fastball rate of 46.2% in 2011 was actually pretty close to his career norm of 45.4%. Maybe he just needs to throw more slop and spot his fastball more often.

Link to stats: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=978&position=P

Billy Hamilton's Legs
10-14-2011, 07:01 PM
Age MPH-FB
28 89.5
29 89.0
30 88.4
31 88.3
32 88.5
33 88.0
34 87.0

Another note on Arroyo. Even though the velocity on his fastball was down he threw it much more often in 2011 than he did 2010. In 2010 39.5% of his pitches were fastballs. In 2011 that number increased to 46.2% Conversely the percentage of changeups he threw dropped in 2011, from 25.0% to 17.6%. His fastball rate of 46.2% in 2011 was actually pretty close to his career norm of 45.4%. Maybe he just needs to throw more slop and spot his fastball more often.

Link to stats: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=978&position=P

I've never bothered to look at Arroyo's FIP before. I'm really nauseous. We gave him HOW MUCH MONEY? A 4.5+ FIP over the past 5 seasons. :thumbdown:

smixsell
10-14-2011, 07:04 PM
Arroyo is LIKELY to have a banner year next season, lets just hope that it isn't for a pitching staff "managed" by Baker.

The DARK
10-17-2011, 08:22 PM
I predict a return to his usual 4.00 ERA form, which will be huge for this injury-prone squad. If you can rely on Cueto for at least a 3.50 ERA and Leake for a 3.80 ERA, you have the foundation of a reliable staff. Now if only Wood and Volquez would show that kind of commitment to getting back in form...

The DARK
10-17-2011, 08:39 PM
I've never bothered to look at Arroyo's FIP before. I'm really nauseous. We gave him HOW MUCH MONEY? A 4.5+ FIP over the past 5 seasons. :thumbdown:

Advanced stats don't do Arroyo a whole lot of favors. He's prone to blowups, low strikeout rates, and home runs, partially due to his pitching style, his low-velocity fastball, and GABP. WAR and FIP consistently underrate the value he brings to a team.

jhiller21
10-17-2011, 11:20 PM
Arroyo has always been an offspeed pitcher, his fastball is there to get ahead in counts, and give up solo shots.

Unfortunately his curve isn't snapping off like it once did. I remember a pitch he threw to Soriano a few years ago that broke so hard Soriano's bat hit the ground. I didn't see that kind of break on any of his offspeed pitches this season.

jwmann2
10-19-2011, 11:55 PM
Talk is just talk until he shows something. I thought he had an alright season, it was our relievers that screwed us.

brm7675
10-20-2011, 12:09 PM
I've never bothered to look at Arroyo's FIP before. I'm really nauseous. We gave him HOW MUCH MONEY? A 4.5+ FIP over the past 5 seasons. :thumbdown:

We gave him the money because he is worth it.

texasdave
10-20-2011, 01:18 PM
We gave him the money because he is worth it.

He wasn't in year one of the contract. The next two years it remains to be seen.

brm7675
10-20-2011, 01:59 PM
He wasn't in year one of the contract. The next two years it remains to be seen.

You are correct, but I blame the Reds for that not Bronson. It is the job of the coaches/manager and such to do what is in the best interest of the player and franchise and in Bronsons case they didn't.

LegallyMinded
10-30-2011, 09:03 PM
As far as advanced stats go, baseball reference is a bit kinder to Bronson than fangraphs, but I'm still not optimistic about next year. Arroyo's K rate and FB velocity were declining well before last year, so I don't think it was just the mono catching up with him this season. It wouldn't surprise me if Arroyo's most recent extension ended up resembling the Eric Milton contract.

brad1176
10-31-2011, 10:18 AM
I'm just glad to see Arroyo taking his offseason a bit more seriously than he has in the past. Years before, he seemed more concerned about his music career than his baseball career. Anyone ever wonder why he's always been a "second half" pitcher? I like Arroyo, and it's always been frustrating for me to see the potential he's got, then watch him not reach it. When he's on, he can be as good as anyone in the game. The unfortunate side is time may have caught up with him.

The Rage
10-31-2011, 12:27 PM
The entire Reds team took off last offseason. Votto,Bruce,Arroyo,Stubbs. I could go on and on. Not one of them improved or steady.

brad1176
10-31-2011, 02:17 PM
I agree, Stubbs was especially hard to watch this year. How long do we endure Stubbs?

LegallyMinded
10-31-2011, 03:00 PM
The entire Reds team took off last offseason. Votto,Bruce,Arroyo,Stubbs. I could go on and on. Not one of them improved or steady.

Are you really suggesting that the only reason a player's performance would ever decline from one year to the next is that he took the offseason off?