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oneupper
10-19-2011, 12:13 PM
I think some of you guys are close to here.

Public Urged to Stay Indoors After Exotic Animals Escape From Ohio Preserve


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/19/exotic-animals-on-loose-in-ohio-after-park-owner-found-dead/

cumberlandreds
10-19-2011, 01:25 PM
Where's Marlin Perkins and Jim Fowler when you need them? :)

oneupper
10-19-2011, 01:40 PM
Well, Jack Hannah is on the scene.

forfreelin04
10-21-2011, 07:03 AM
As someone who knew Terry and lives less than 10 minutes away, this has been a complete lie. The worst liar of all is Jack Hannah.

Don't watch this national news garbage.

RedFanAlways1966
10-21-2011, 07:54 AM
As someone who knew Terry and lives less than 10 minutes away, this has been a complete lie. The worst liar of all is Jack Hannah.

Don't watch this national news garbage.

Tell us more. Do not tease us with everyopne is a liar but some person who set dangerous animals free... risking the lives of innocent people. If you knew this person, I am sure it is upsetting to you (and I am sorry for that). But I need more information than everyone is a liar. That does not tell me anything.

cumberlandreds
10-21-2011, 09:29 AM
According to this article the owner was in horrible debt to the IRS and he had just gotten out of jail on a weapons charge.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=209&sid=2598255

dsmith421
10-21-2011, 02:32 PM
As someone who knew Terry and lives less than 10 minutes away, this has been a complete lie. The worst liar of all is Jack Hannah.

Don't watch this national news garbage.

I can't wait to hear this.

foxfire123
10-21-2011, 08:51 PM
As someone who knew Terry and lives less than 10 minutes away, this has been a complete lie. The worst liar of all is Jack Hannah.

Don't watch this national news garbage.

Jack Hanna? Liar? Puhleeze. And for the record, while I no longer live in Muskingum County, I have a boatload of family who do, and who are heavily involved in wildlife, exotics and taxidermy. Thompson's place was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode *for years*. Not because he didn't care about his animals, but the fact that he had too many, and was overwhelmed by both them and life.

forfreelin04
10-22-2011, 11:37 PM
Sorry to keep everyone waiting. I didn't mean to lash out in the original thread. *It's just extremely frustrating when people are misinformed and duped when I know the truth.

I live in Zanesville just 10 minutes from Terry's farm. My inlaws and my wife were friends with T , which was Terry's nickname. In no way, did they condone his choice of pets, and people certainly knew it wasn't right. However, T wasn't committing a crime by having them.*

He was very strange individual. He was often accused of dealing guns and drugs from his many used vehicles he also had on his farm. No ones denying he was disturbed. He was an attention hog.

However the truth behind the actions taken by T, the police, and Jack Hanna are very much convoluted. Much of the supposed truth is incorrect, and more so from a national news standpoint than a local.

First, you must understand these animals were pets not wild bloodthirsty animals that the media has dramatized. If you come from parts of ohio like I do, it's not uncommon to raise what most consider a "wild" animal. We have a pet raccoon. He was raised by my inlaws and by dogs. He thinks he's a dog. These supposed savage tigers, lions, and bears were raised similarly. They were brought to the fair as infants for several years. They were loved by children at the fair and were as domesticated as any fair animal.*

The animals were kept in cages, they were also in the house. They played with each other and there were very few (if) any instances of bites or fights. Terry did commit suicide and he did let the animals out. The majority of the animals were in the front field when the cops first came. Keep in mind, these animals never left Terry's property. They were never outside the property. If you read something that says the animals were on 70, it's because the farm is literally right beside it. The animals were still on the property even if they could still be seen from 70. Any neighbors reporting animals on their property is incorrect. They may have seen them for the first time from their property but the animals never set foot off T's property.*

When the cops got there, they simply saw the animals and started shooting. They killed nearly all of them before they ever knew Terry was dead. These were pets, they would not attack unless cornered and made too. It was a slaughter by county police who did not know these animals could have been lured back in their cages by food.

Nearly 90% of the animals were dead before jack Hannah ever showed his face. Tranquilizers could have been used. They were easy to get.They were 20 minutes away at the Wilds preserve. Hannah spoke little to Terry's wife but acted like he had. He was overly dramatic on his television shows and acted as if had something to do with this. He had little to no involvement. I assume it's just a chance to get himself out there.

Finally, if you read back through every article on CNN fox news or USA today see if the truth matches up with their spin. News has to be entertaining now, not factual. It's attempting to scare you. It's working, their ratings are up and some of you now no longer think for yourselves.*

forfreelin04
10-22-2011, 11:40 PM
Please see new thread. Mods merge if necessary

forfreelin04
10-22-2011, 11:48 PM
If you want to believe your source of news over me, then thats fine. I'm just a poster on Redszone to all of you. But I'm 28, extremely successful, and not in the business of getting attention on message boards. My own mother trusted Brian Williams over me.

Just know that this was terribly mishandled on every level. I would imagine the news especially on the cable networks is also heavily weighted to entertainment and generalizations in nearly every story they do. The facts are constantly downplayed or ignored in favor of some conservative or liberal blowhard's opinion. This isn't news it's some heads opinion. Read the papers from 50 years ago. There are facts not wild generalizations and hyperbole. Turn the TV off, read a book.

foxfire123
10-23-2011, 12:51 AM
A few questions among the many I could ask, but what about the eyewitness reports of the animals being in *their* yards? What about the eyewitness reports that Terry's animals were actually quite disruptive and out of control at the fair pet shows--Necessitating a change of the rules to read "domestic pets only"?

As someone who HAS studied wildlife behaviour, and made a career of it in the past, tranqs were not necessarily a good idea--these were large animals. Dosage is hard to figure unless you have a really good idea of weight. And even then, it can take 15-20 minutes or better for tranqs to take effect. Couple that with a ticked off, stressed predator animal, you got trouble in river city. It's sad that this many animals had to die, for no other reason that a sad, sick man put them into that situation. But unfortunately, given the circumstances of being relatively close to town, a major highway and however many subdivisions, shooting was the safest option.

You're not the only one here from that area. I may not live there *now*, but 99 % of my family still does, I knew *of* Terry from the 30+ years I lived there, My father and brother were/are gun collectors so they bought guns from Terry. I didn't know him hardly at all, other than him commenting on and admiring my horses more than once at the county fairs in my 4-H days, but family members did know him. And based on their knowledge, I believe a good chunk of the news reports. News is always sensationalized, but there's a lot of truth to this particular story.

My own family owns exotics, and I've always been the "black sheep" since I've been vocally against that from day one. Squirrels and coons are one thing, heck, we've even had groundhogs and foxes. but large predators? No way, no how. they're not pets. Even multi generation captivity breds are unpredictable.

redsfandan
10-23-2011, 12:54 AM
Ok, now I'm expecting that there maybe more details that I don't know yet and I'll agree that it is POSSIBLE that the police MIGHT have been able to handle this differently. But, when you say that those animals were just pets I think of that women who had her face and hands ripped off by her "pet" chimp a few years ago. And then I think of all the exotic and/or non-native animals that are released by their owners because they became too big to be cared for. The guy may have loved those animals. But, I think he was in over his head. Just because someone calls an animal a "pet" doesn't mean that the animal isn't still dangerous.

Slyder
10-23-2011, 01:04 AM
Ok, now I'm expecting that there maybe more details that I don't know yet and I'll agree that it is POSSIBLE that the police MIGHT have been able to handle this differently. But, when you say that those animals were just pets I think of that women who had her face and hands ripped off by her "pet" chimp a few years ago. And then I think of all the exotic and/or non-native animals that are released by their owners because they became too big to be cared for. The guy may have loved those animals. But, I think he was in over his head. Just because someone calls an animal a "pet" doesn't mean that the animal isn't still dangerous.

Siegfried and Roy comes to my mind. I believe it was just easier to shoot and kill and ask questions later, they just brought Jack Hannah in to CTA. As I said in another thread journalism died a long time ago so they just made up what they thought would sale.

redsfandan
10-23-2011, 01:07 AM
Anyone that owns an exotic non-native animal as a pet better really know what they're doing. Even then people can become blinded by how "cooperative" an animal might've acted in the past and by just becoming too attached to the animal(s). Unfortunately, this is one example where the state and local governments need to make sure something like this doesn't happen. Cuz there's always somebody that will think they can handle it and nothing bad will ever happen.

Redsfaithful
10-23-2011, 12:46 PM
I knew most of the animals were killed on his property because the news told me so. Go figure.

Those animals were dead when he let them out. It was a foregone conclusion at that point, and I think it's likely he knew that (getting back at his estranged wife maybe?)

Any animal that eats you right away when you're dead isn't much of a pet. That's why I'm not a cat owner.

forfreelin04
10-23-2011, 02:40 PM
Like I said, I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything. I just don't care that much what you want to believe.

But if your the type a person who doesn't mind having some truth, but not all of the truth in your news then your part of the problem with this country.

kaldaniels
10-23-2011, 03:32 PM
Like I said, I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything. I just don't care that much what you want to believe.

But if your the type a person who doesn't mind having some truth, but not all of the truth in your news then your part of the problem with this country.

What exactly are you trying to get us to understand here?

The animals were on his property and could have been tranquilized? That's all I am getting but perhaps you are trying to get at something deeper here.

Razor Shines
10-23-2011, 03:53 PM
If you want to believe your source of news over me, then thats fine. I'm just a poster on Redszone to all of you. But I'm 28, extremely successful, and not in the business of getting attention on message boards. My own mother trusted Brian Williams over me.

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:laugh:

Oh thank God. I didn't believe you because I thought you were 25 and poor, everyone knows you can't trust the poor.

I really don't give a Sbomb about any of this and I think I'm the only one of this board that doesn't have a boatload of family that live near this guy's farm. I just thought that part was funny.

George Foster
10-24-2011, 01:37 AM
Those animals had to be put down, and fast. They could not take the chance of them leaving the property and eating some kid at the morning bus stop 4 or 5 days later when they got really hungry. Public safety trumps animals....every single time.

Most tigers and lions you see in the zoo were born in captivity, as were their parents and grandparents. There is a reason that a big fense and mote surrounds those cages. There are lots of youtube videos that will show you what happens when a stupid human comes into contact with them.:eek:

This "tranquilizer argument" holds no water. How many local, rural, police departments keep and maintain tranquilizer guns? Really? Reports were that the closest tranquilizer guns were 20 minutes away. Well thats 40 minutes round trip. Are you going to ask Mr. Lion and Mr. Tiger who was just feeding on the head of their now dead care giver to not go anywhere?

If one of those beasts escaped and killed someone and I knew I could of put it down but didn't because I gave in to the politically correct culture I could not live with myself. Those cops did the right thing. Even the remote chance in the loss of human life alway trumps animal life. If you think any different you would change your mind if it was your kid that "got it" playing outside or at the bus stop.

GAC
10-24-2011, 05:27 AM
Those animals had to be put down, and fast. They could not take the chance of them leaving the property and eating some kid at the morning bus stop 4 or 5 days later when they got really hungry. Public safety trumps animals....every single time.....

This "tranquilizer argument" holds no water. How many local, rural, police departments keep and maintain tranquilizer guns? Really? Reports were that the closest tranquilizer guns were 20 minutes away. Well thats 40 minutes round trip. Are you going to ask Mr. Lion and Mr. Tiger who was just feeding on the head of their now dead care giver to not go anywhere?

Overall I tend to agree with what you're saying above; but I think the police could have possibly approached the situation differently. And I don't say that to say they are guilty of wrongdoing or should be condemned either. Public safety is the #1 priority. And I'm not sure on all the facts surrounding this situation either, BUT...

- who called the police to inform them the animals were loose?
- how long were the animals loose and wandering around on his property before the police arrived?
- Sure, the local and state police may (or may not) possess tranquilizer guns, but when they were initially called and told the animals were loose - and the local police already knew the circumstances on that farm - why couldn't they have coordinated their efforts better and immediately contacted those that possessed tranquilizer guns - at least made the effort if they were only 20 minutes away - and had them meet them at the scene? After all, how long did it take the police to organize, get the armament they needed ready, and get there?

I personally think it could have been handled better.

RedsBaron
10-24-2011, 06:57 AM
Those animals were dead when he let them out. It was a foregone conclusion at that point,

I agree. For those who were friends with the owner I offer my condolences but letting those animals out was not a "born free" moment--it was the animals' death sentence.

cumberlandreds
10-24-2011, 07:56 AM
Having a racoon for a pet is one thing and having a grizzly bear is quite another. It's a shame what happened but I don't think the authorities had much choice. These animals when out in the "wild" would have reverted back to their natural instict to find food,water and shelter. They would not have been "pets" then and would have been mankillers. Having these types of exotic "pets" needs to be tightly controlled or another incident like will likely happen somewhere.

Redsfaithful
10-24-2011, 10:49 AM
Having a raccoon for a pet isn't the brightest thing either. I hope anyone that does that sort of thing doesn't have kids, and yes I know it happens, I grew up in Appalachia.

I don't get what drives people to want to own wild animals. I have a golden retriever and she fulfills all the pet needs I have, I can't even understand why people own more exotic things like snakes or rats, let alone lions.

pedro
10-24-2011, 11:58 AM
Any animal that eats you right away when you're dead isn't much of a pet. That's why I'm not a cat owner.

My cats are great pets and I always keep the food bowl VERY full.

kaldaniels
10-24-2011, 12:16 PM
My cats are great pets and I always keep the food bowl VERY full.

Stay strong Pedro. :thumbup:

Redsfaithful
10-24-2011, 01:14 PM
My cats are great pets and I always keep the food bowl VERY full.

I actually like cats, I just figure they're pretty indifferent about me.

westofyou
10-24-2011, 02:03 PM
Having a raccoon for a pet isn't the brightest thing either. I hope anyone that does that sort of thing doesn't have kids, and yes I know it happens, I grew up in Appalachia.

I don't get what drives people to want to own wild animals. I have a golden retriever and she fulfills all the pet needs I have, I can't even understand why people own more exotic things like snakes or rats, let alone lions.

My wife has worked with gorillas, elephants and also been attacked by a pet raccoon, she has quite few stories about the strength of these animals.

What happened last week was tragic and stupid and could have been avoided by the owner, as for Hannah my wife has worked with some of his group and the fact is he's extremely respected in the community he serves and the fact is that community dies not condone endangered species as "pets" they consider them for what they are, beautiful animals that are killing machined by nature.

Just a sad sad story

LoganBuck
10-24-2011, 03:18 PM
I have refrained from posting on this.

During college, I had a summer job, where I used to work with a guy in my general neighborhood that had exotic animals. Tigers, Lions, Alligators, Monkeys, and a Grizzly Bear. On occasion we ate lunch together, and I would ask him questions. He told me that he was licensed and had at least bi yearly surprise inspections from the state. He told me about how he fed the large predators, and the respect he had for them. He thought he was in control. He got caught up in some illegal trade of tiger cubs, and lost some licenses a few years ago, the info is on the internet if you look for it. I am not sure he still has animals, but a few months ago I drove past his house, and a large peacock was sitting in his yard beside the road. I found the whole endeavor to be a dangerous, foolish, and cruel way to have a hobby.

As to killing the animals at Zanesville, I know a thing or two about rogue animals. Sadly too much. The most dangerous animals to humans in the United States are breeding bulls that reside on farms and ranches across this country. These animals are fenced behind single strands of electric fence, or in pens with cows that must be handled several times a day(where escape routes are limited). Bulls are typically in peak physical condition, extremely territorial, and amped up with Testosterone. About 20 people die in the USA every year from bull attacks. A friend of our family died twenty years ago after he was crushed by a mature bull.

You don't take chances with animals that can kill you. In the case of the rogue bulls, after they turn dangerous, they are typically shot, because you can't take the risk at any point from farm to slaughterhouse. Someone could get killed. This is why most dairy farmers use frozen bull semen, and artificial insemination.

I realize these wild animals were pets, but they did manage to bite into the head of their owner post mortem. Could they have been tranquilized? Maybe, but given the time of day, and the sheer numbers, this was all on the owner. As others said, when he opened those cages, he sealed their fate.

gonelong
10-24-2011, 06:22 PM
The most dangerous animals to humans in the United States are breeding bulls that reside on farms and ranches across this country.
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You don't take chances with animals that can kill you.

Story time ...

I worked on my neighbors dairy farm when I was 13-15 (I was not raised on a farm). Cutting across the barn one day and heard a snort behind me as I was crossing one of the pens that they kept cows ready to birth. As I turned around to look ... there stood their bull, which was perpetually pissed-off, pawing he ground and snorting steam. This bull was literally 10-12 inches taller in his back than their cows, he was just one *massive* SOB.

I decided I could either inch my way out, or take a mad dash. I went for the mad dash and lept a full-sized metal swinging gate, on a dead run, with the bull in close pursuit. The bull ran into the gate with a full head of steam and bent it into a V. He then proceeded to tear the durn thing into pieces. Too late, I was long gone by then.

My neighbor hear the commotion and ran outside to see what was going on, all he saw was me running full speed away from the barn, so he followed. He went white when I told him what had happened. He had forgotten to tell me they moved the bull into the pen that morning. They were leary of him too (farmers all their lives) and that was the final straw .. that bull was gone the next day.

GL

/cool story bro (yeah, yeah)

redsfanmia
10-24-2011, 08:35 PM
Story time ...

I worked on my neighbors dairy farm when I was 13-15 (I was not raised on a farm). Cutting across the barn one day and heard a snort behind me as I was crossing one of the pens that they kept cows ready to birth. As I turned around to look ... there stood their bull, which was perpetually pissed-off, pawing he ground and snorting steam. This bull was literally 10-12 inches taller in his back than their cows, he was just one *massive* SOB.

I decided I could either inch my way out, or take a mad dash. I went for the mad dash and lept a full-sized metal swinging gate, on a dead run, with the bull in close pursuit. The bull ran into the gate with a full head of steam and bent it into a V. He then proceeded to tear the durn thing into pieces. Too late, I was long gone by then.

My neighbor hear the commotion and ran outside to see what was going on, all he saw was me running full speed away from the barn, so he followed. He went white when I told him what had happened. He had forgotten to tell me they moved the bull into the pen that morning. They were leary of him too (farmers all their lives) and that was the final straw .. that bull was gone the next day.

GL

/cool story bro (yeah, yeah)

Grew up on a dairy farm and we had a few bulls that acted in this manner and they did not last long. Its funny we only named the Bulls and I still remember the mean ones....Bud and Lester.

GAC
10-25-2011, 05:26 AM
I actually like cats, I just figure they're pretty indifferent about me.

They don't like me, and the feeling is mutual. In my personal experiences, cats have been a far more nuisance to me then dogs.


Having a raccoon for a pet isn't the brightest thing either.

Many years ago, when a buddy and I were out fishing, we came across a young raccoon in a tree. My buddy wanted to take him home and make it a pet, so he tried to "de-tree" it. I warned against it; but my buddy wasn't too bright either. Needless to say the raccoon tore him up!

There's sound reason as to why they call them wild animals. :lol:

foxfire123
10-25-2011, 04:25 PM
My cats are great pets and I always keep the food bowl VERY full.

Even tho I love cats and have several, you have to acknowledge that when you have a cat, you're inviting a small predator into your family. :laugh:

Of course, the one time we had a mouse in the house they ran to ME to get rid of it! They were all the stereotypically "standing on the table hysterically screaming" woman.

Sea Ray
10-29-2011, 11:09 AM
Like I said, I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything. I just don't care that much what you want to believe.

But if your the type a person who doesn't mind having some truth, but not all of the truth in your news then your part of the problem with this country.

Could this guy's wife have lured some animals back to safety with tranquilizers or the police?