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camisadelgolf
11-14-2011, 05:42 PM
#1 C Devin Mesoraco
#2 1B/OF Yonder Alonso
#3 C Yasmani Grandal
#4 SS Billy Hamilton
#5 SS Zack Cozart
#6 RHP Dan Corcino
#7 RHP Robert Stephenson
#8 RHP Brad Boxberger
#9 1B Neftali Soto
#10 OF Yorman Rodriguez

dougdirt
11-14-2011, 05:56 PM
I went with Dave Sappelt. I think he has it in him to be a perennial .290/.340/.450 type of hitter with good defense. Those who are only basing their opinion on him from what they saw in the Majors are really missing the boat on him.

mth123
11-14-2011, 07:11 PM
I went with Dave Sappelt. I think he has it in him to be a perennial .290/.340/.450 type of hitter with good defense. Those who are only basing their opinion on him from what they saw in the Majors are really missing the boat on him.

I agree on all of this. Its just that I think this makes him the 4th best prospect in the organization.

The DARK
11-14-2011, 07:21 PM
I went with Dave Sappelt. I think he has it in him to be a perennial .290/.340/.450 type of hitter with good defense. Those who are only basing their opinion on him from what they saw in the Majors are really missing the boat on him.

I've got high hopes for him, and hopefully management sees it the same way. He was struggling with an oblique injury for most of the season, which took a toll on his stats, and most of his MLB struggles are just jitters and a small sample size. And even compared to most of the rookies, he didn't do too bad.

There are a few drawbacks, however. He's got pretty good speed, but he has no instinct for stealing, and doesn't always make the right decisions on the basepaths. I've also seen reports that his arm strength is subpar overall for an outfielder, especially if he were to spend time in LF or RF. While both of those tools tend to be a bit overrated in my opinion, they're going to limit his situational usefulness.

Also, requesting Juan Duran for the next round.

camisadelgolf
11-14-2011, 07:37 PM
Also, requesting Juan Duran for the next round.
I already planned on it. :thumbup:

HokieRed
11-14-2011, 09:33 PM
Sappelt. Actually my #7, but behind Corcino and Yorman so this is the first I could vote for him. A lot has been said about his time in Cinti, but I think that he made distinctive progress during that stretch. The longer he was up, the more good at bats he had. Strictly anecdotal, but I'll stand by it.

mace
11-14-2011, 09:44 PM
I'm not gonna lobby for Torreyes anymore. Just gonna vote for him, for the sixth straight time.

That said, Sappelt deserves to be at least this high, in my view. The guy can hit. I'm hoping that the warning-track groove he slipped into after his callup was a passing phase.

Kc61
11-14-2011, 09:45 PM
Sappelt. Actually my #7, but behind Corcino and Yorman so this is the first I could vote for him. A lot has been said about his time in Cinti, but I think that he made distinctive progress during that stretch. The longer he was up, the more good at bats he had. Strictly anecdotal, but I'll stand by it.

I just saw a different player in Sappelt.

Sappelt may have been injured - although I didn't hear it at the time - but he was generally unimpressive as a Red and didn't seem to get consistently better over his stint. He did get a few key hits in games and makes contact often.

Maybe he will impress me more next time. I went with Torreyes here.

bubbachunk
11-14-2011, 10:12 PM
I just saw a different player in Sappelt.

Sappelt may have been injured - although I didn't hear it at the time - but he was generally unimpressive as a Red and didn't seem to get consistently better over his stint. He did get a few key hits in games and makes contact often.

Maybe he will impress me more next time. I went with Torreyes here.

He injured a hammy I think more than midway through the halfway point in the season and he never showed the same violent stroke as he had for the previous 1.5 years. So give him time to recover and then take another look at him.

Kc61
11-14-2011, 10:22 PM
He injured a hammy I think more than midway through the halfway point in the season and he never showed the same violent stroke as he had for the previous 1.5 years. So give him time to recover and then take another look at him.

With Stubbs and Heisey potentially trade bait, we might get an early look at Sappelt as a Red next year.

crazybob60
11-14-2011, 10:31 PM
I went with Sappelt at 10 and will have him here too. I too think that we will see a vast improvement in Sappelt at the MLB level this season and as I stated in the previous thread, I still think he will grow more as a player at the MLB level and surprise us all.

dougdirt
11-15-2011, 12:46 AM
Sappelt. Actually my #7, but behind Corcino and Yorman so this is the first I could vote for him. A lot has been said about his time in Cinti, but I think that he made distinctive progress during that stretch. The longer he was up, the more good at bats he had. Strictly anecdotal, but I'll stand by it.

You are right. First 11 games he hit .195 without a walk, 8 strikeouts and just 1 extra base hit. The other 27 games (66 at bats) he hit .273 with 7 walks and 9 strikeouts with 7 extra base hits.

His oblique injury took away from his swing a little bit and hurt his power output once he came back. With the offseason to get things right, I expect his power to be back to normal and I have no issues at all with anything he does offensively. Defensively there is the arm question, but his range more than makes up for it in my opinion because the guy has plus range in center field and probably the best range in left field around since he is a plus range guy in center.

fearofpopvol1
11-15-2011, 04:21 AM
Sappelt all the way here. Would have him higher even. Guy is a major league player.

_Sir_Charles_
11-15-2011, 10:07 AM
I'm not gonna lobby for Torreyes anymore. Just gonna vote for him, for the sixth straight time.


Same here. Until he gets it, he'll keep being my first pick.

The DARK
11-15-2011, 10:43 AM
Imo, all of these prospects from Cozart to Sappelt/Torreyes seem to be on close to the same level. None of them look like world-beaters yet, but each should provide solid contributions to the major league team.

*BaseClogger*
11-15-2011, 01:13 PM
This system has 15 very intriguing prospects...

mace
11-15-2011, 02:25 PM
Could we add Tucker Barnhart in the next round or two? Thanks.

lollipopcurve
11-15-2011, 02:43 PM
Phipps should be on the list, IMO.

Scrap Irony
11-15-2011, 04:17 PM
18 years old

.356 .398 .457 .855

Second base

That is all

fearofpopvol1
11-15-2011, 06:50 PM
18 years old

.356 .398 .457 .855

Second base

That is all

It's a long way, to the top, if you want to rock n roll.

mth123
11-15-2011, 07:08 PM
18 years old

.356 .398 .457 .855

Second base

That is all

I love Torreyes and am very excited about him as the next generation's solution at 2B. He seems to be able to hit and the reports on his defense are superlative. The knock I'm still not past is the size issue. There is still an unanswered question about his ability to hold up over the 162 game grind. So far we've only seen him for a limited schedule. I have Mesoraco, Cozart and Alonso in my top three. The next group is Sappelt, Grandal and Torreyes. I have Torreyes behind the other two simply due to this one issue. If he can play a full season in 2012 without expereincing a severe drop off at the plate and/or on defense from being worn down (see Janish, Paul), I'll probably have him at number 1 in 2013.

HokieRed
11-15-2011, 10:01 PM
Phipps should be on the list, IMO.

I'll second this. I don't have for a few more rounds but I do have him before a number of people on the list.

mace
11-16-2011, 01:18 PM
I know I said I wouldn't lobby any more for Torreyes, but I just read this quote from Whitey Herzog's autobiography (White Rat) that I found interesting:

"A ballplayer who is fast is never too small. When you've got a player who is fast and who can swing the bat, too, you've got someone special."

That said, I don't know how fast Torreyes really is. Obviously, he's not in Hamilton's class, but is he closer to Stubbs or Phillips? There's a significant difference. My guess is that he runs about like Sappelt, but more advisedly.

dougdirt
11-16-2011, 01:29 PM
I know I said I wouldn't lobby any more for Torreyes, but I just read this quote from Whitey Herzog's autobiography (White Rat) that I found interesting:

"A ballplayer who is fast is never too small. When you've got a player who is fast and who can swing the bat, too, you've got someone special."

That said, I don't know how fast Torreyes really is. Obviously, he's not in Hamilton's class, but is he closer to Stubbs or Phillips? There's a significant difference. My guess is that he runs about like Sappelt, but more advisedly.

Torreyes is fast-ish, but he isn't close to Stubbs speed.

corkedbat
11-16-2011, 06:40 PM
Didn't have YRod in my top 10. If you base it on "potential alone," he's probably #1, but I haven't been impressed with his results or attitude the las couple of years. Yes, he still very young, there have been injuries and reported personal issues, but still, this is a "show me" year for him, IMO.

Not giving up on Yorman by any means, but I wantd to see some signs of more decdication a breakout this year. If the right deal came and he could hekp make it happen, I wouldn't hesitate to deal him either (something I would not have been so quick to say the last year or two).

I was torn between Torreyes and Sappelt for the 10th spot, but went with Torreys. I had Sappelt 11th and YRod 12th.

dougdirt
11-16-2011, 06:50 PM
Didn't have YRod in my top 10. If you base it on "potential alone," he's probably #1, but I haven't been impressed with his results or attitude the las couple of years. Yes, he still very young, there have been injuries and reported personal issues, but still, this is a "show me" year for him, IMO.

Not giving up on Yorman by any means, but I wantd to see some signs of more decdication a breakout this year. If the right deal came and he could hekp make it happen, I wouldn't hesitate to deal him either (something I would not have been so quick to say the last year or two).

I was torn between Torreyes and Sappelt for the 10th spot, but went with Torreys. I had Sappelt 11th and YRod 12th.

19 is a "show me year"?

Does that mean that Billy Hamilton is a bust? He was 20 and had a worse slash line than Yorman did.

_Sir_Charles_
11-16-2011, 08:27 PM
All this talk about Yorman's attitude and personal issues....didn't he have to deal with the deaths of 2 relatives or friends this past year? Or am I thinking of someone else? Because for a kid that age, in a foreign country without family as support...I can easily see dealing with 2 deaths as justifiable reason to see him fall backwards in terms of development and especially attitude.

Yep, it was him. I found the story.

Rodriguez, batting .254 with 7 home runs, 40 RBIs and 20 stolen bases in 79 games, also dealt with death this summer when his grandmother and a close friend passed on the same day. On a festive personal note, Rodriguez turns 19 on Monday.

Said DeShields, who has been dismayed at times by Rodriguez’s lack of effort in the outfield, “It seems like he’s in a better place.”

dougdirt
11-16-2011, 10:19 PM
All this talk about Yorman's attitude and personal issues....didn't he have to deal with the deaths of 2 relatives or friends this past year? Or am I thinking of someone else? Because for a kid that age, in a foreign country without family as support...I can easily see dealing with 2 deaths as justifiable reason to see him fall backwards in terms of development and especially attitude.

Yep, it was him. I found the story.
And he found out he was gong to be a father before the season began.

marcshoe
11-17-2011, 01:48 AM
It's a long way, to the top, if you want to rock n roll.

That's what they say, but Angus and Malcolm had a big-time rocker brother to help them get their start.

And I really wish I could make that relevant somehow. :)

texasdave
11-17-2011, 08:15 AM
That's what they say, but Angus and Malcolm had a big-time rocker brother to help them get their start.

And I really wish I could make that relevant somehow. :)

I am hoping the Reds #11 prospect isn't just some Flash in the Pan.

_Sir_Charles_
11-17-2011, 10:18 AM
And he found out he was gong to be a father before the season began.

Didn't know that. Even more of a reason to give the kid a break on this past season IMO.

dougdirt
11-17-2011, 03:40 PM
Looks like there will be a run off unless some people all vote for one of the two leading vote getters in the next two hours.

BuckeyeRedleg
11-18-2011, 03:34 PM
After today's news, I think Donald Lutz should probably be added to the next list.

dougdirt
11-18-2011, 04:12 PM
After today's news, I think Donald Lutz should probably be added to the next list.

Just curious..... why would anything that happened today change the opinions on him?

BuckeyeRedleg
11-18-2011, 04:28 PM
Just curious..... why would anything that happened today change the opinions on him?

Because I trust how the Reds value/grade their own prospects.

Plus, I think it's safe to say that he's one of the top 24 or so prospects in the system.

Moreso after today.

Not too often you see a non-pitching prospect protected after a year in low A. I think that's quite telling, no?

dougdirt
11-18-2011, 04:37 PM
Because I trust how the Reds value/grade their own prospects.

Plus, I think it's safe to say that he's one of the top 24 or so prospects in the system.

Moreso after today.

Not too often you see a non-pitching prospect protected after a year in low A. I think that's quite telling, no?

I agree that he is one of the Top 25 prospects. But I wouldn't be voting for him for quite a while.