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redsof72
11-16-2011, 11:00 AM
1. Devin Mesoraco, c
2. Billy Hamilton, ss
3. Yonder Alonso, 1b/of
4. Yasmani Grandal, c
5. Zack Cozart, ss
6. Daniel Corcino, rhp
7. Robert Stephenson, rhp
8. DiDi Gregorius, ss
9. Todd Frazier, 3b/1b/of
10. Brad Boxberger, rhp

redsfandan
11-16-2011, 11:11 AM
No Yorman or Soto but they do include Gregorius. Interesting.

klw
11-16-2011, 11:21 AM
No Yorman or Soto but they do include Gregorius. Interesting.

Gregorius hasn't gotten a single vote yet for any of the rounds so far here on Redszone.

klw
11-16-2011, 11:23 AM
1. Devin Mesoraco, c
2. Billy Hamilton, ss
3. Yonder Alonso, 1b/of
4. Yasmani Grandal, c
5. Zack Cozart, ss
6. Daniel Corcino, rhp
7. Robert Stephenson, rhp
8. DiDi Gregorius, ss
9. Todd Frazier, 3b/1b/of
10. Brad Boxberger, rhp

Compare to Redszone Top 10- so you don't need to flip back and forth

#1 C Devin Mesoraco
#2 1B/OF Yonder Alonso
#3 C Yasmani Grandal
#4 SS Billy Hamilton
#5 SS Zack Cozart
#6 RHP Dan Corcino
#7 RHP Robert Stephenson
#8 RHP Brad Boxberger
#9 1B Neftali Soto
#10 OF Yorman Rodriguez

redsfandan
11-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Gregorius hasn't gotten a single vote yet for any of the rounds so far here on Redszone.

Yeah, I know. I don't get that. Why would they have him so high?

mace
11-16-2011, 12:02 PM
I can see the Gregorius thing. He's young, he's fast, he has a good track record of hitting, and he supposedly plays a legitimate shortstop. I suspect that his position had a lot to do with it; and understandably so.

Actually, I'm more surprised by Corcino and Stephenson. I know it's consistent with where we had them, but I thought that our results were a little skewed along those lines. Apparently not.

I still think that, sooner or later--probably sooner--Torreyes is going to turn these rankings on their ear.

redsfandan
11-16-2011, 12:15 PM
I can see the Gregorius thing. He's young, he's fast, he has a good track record of hitting, and he supposedly plays a legitimate shortstop. I suspect that his position had a lot to do with it; and understandably so.

Actually, I'm more surprised by Corcino and Stephenson. I know it's consistent with where we had them, but I thought that our results were a little skewed along those lines. Apparently not.

I still think that, sooner or later--probably sooner--Torreyes is going to turn these rankings on their ear.

Last time he had a good obp was in '09 when he was in rookie ball.

Baseball
11-16-2011, 12:24 PM
Best Hitter for Average: Yonder Alonso

Best Power Hitter: Neftali Soto

Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Yonder Alonso

Fastest Baserunner: Billy Hamilton

Best Athlete: Billy Hamilton

Best Fastball: Daniel Corcino

Best Curveball: J.C. Sulbaran

Best Slider: Tim Crabbe

Best Changeup: Daniel Renken

Best Control: Justice French

Best Defensive Catcher: Tucker Barnhart

Best Defensive Infielder: Didi Gregorius

Best Infield Arm: Didi Gregorius

Best Defensive Outfielder: Ryan LaMarre

Best Outfield Arm: Yorman Rodriguez

Screwball
11-16-2011, 01:02 PM
Best Hitter for Average: Yonder Alonso

Best Power Hitter: Neftali Soto

Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Yonder Alonso

Fastest Baserunner: Billy Hamilton

Best Athlete: Billy Hamilton

Best Fastball: Daniel Corcino

Best Curveball: J.C. Sulbaran

Best Slider: Tim Crabbe

Best Changeup: Daniel Renken

Best Control: Justice French

Best Defensive Catcher: Tucker Barnhart

Best Defensive Infielder: Didi Gregorius

Best Infield Arm: Didi Gregorius

Best Defensive Outfielder: Ryan LaMarre

Best Outfield Arm: Yorman Rodriguez


#1 prospect Mesoraco nowhere to found.

Benihana
11-16-2011, 01:25 PM
Surprised to see Gregorius ahead of Soto, Torreyes, and Boxberger. Also somewhat surprised to see Hamilton ahead of Alonso, especially after what Alonso showed in Cincinnati at the end of last season.

Two things they clearly put a premium are are pedigree and premium position (SS).

mace
11-16-2011, 01:30 PM
Last time he had a good obp was in '09 when he was in rookie ball.

Yeah, if all you do is scroll down the OBP column, I can see that. But he did OPS .753 this year as a 21-year-old in High-A and AA. He's never batted below .272 over a season (since an abbreviated first year in '08). Not bad for a young shortstop. From what's been written on these boards over the recent years, it seems like he's always been considered a pretty good offensive player.

redsof72
11-16-2011, 01:40 PM
I do not have any big issues with the top 10 list but the best tools is skewed. There is no one in the organization that would tell you that Yorman has a better arm than Jefry Sierra. Gregorius as the best defensive infielder? Huh? He is an athletic player with a great arm but he had 21 errors in 80 games after making 31 in 2010. You have two defensive wizards in Cozart and Rojas. Sierra or Phipps would be the debate for best defensive outfielder. LaMarre would not even be in the conversation.

All in all, they put a ton of work into this stuff and are to be commended. It is not an easy job.

dougdirt
11-16-2011, 02:33 PM
Gregorius hasn't gotten a single vote yet for any of the rounds so far here on Redszone.

He is my #12 prospect, and I could have easily put him at #11 without much of an after thought to it. He is the best athlete in the system aside from Billy Hamilton, makes a ton of contact, has some pop when he stays back on the ball (he completely changes his stance and approach when he reaches two strikes, so his power numbers don't always tell us what his power actually is), is a better defensive player potentially than anyone in the system who can hit their way out of a wet paper bag (Miguel Rojas) and has plus speed.

klw
11-16-2011, 03:56 PM
He is my #12 prospect, and I could have easily put him at #11 without much of an after thought to it. He is the best athlete in the system aside from Billy Hamilton, makes a ton of contact, has some pop when he stays back on the ball (he completely changes his stance and approach when he reaches two strikes, so his power numbers don't always tell us what his power actually is), is a better defensive player potentially than anyone in the system who can hit their way out of a wet paper bag (Miguel Rojas) and has plus speed.

Can you do a comparison of Henry Rodriguez vs. Didi?

dougdirt
11-16-2011, 04:03 PM
Can you do a comparison of Henry Rodriguez vs. Didi?

Henry is a better hitter. More current power, though I don't think he has the edge in raw power. Didi is by far the better defender, better arm, better speed.

Kc61
11-16-2011, 04:22 PM
I agree with the BA selection of Billy Hamilton second.

Given that BA is so tools/future oriented, surprised Yorman didn't get in there.

redsfandan
11-16-2011, 07:24 PM
Yeah, if all you do is scroll down the OBP column, I can see that. But he did OPS .753 this year as a 21-year-old in High-A and AA. He's never batted below .272 over a season (since an abbreviated first year in '08). Not bad for a young shortstop. From what's been written on these boards over the recent years, it seems like he's always been considered a pretty good offensive player.

I'm not saying that he's a bad prospect. And I might be underrating him some. But, I just don't understand ranking him 8th and Yorman doesn't even make the cut.

Benihana
11-16-2011, 07:28 PM
I wonder how many of these will make BA's Top 100 list. I would think:

Mesoraco Top 25
Hamilton 25-50
Alonso 25-50
Grandal 75-100
Cozart 75-100

I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if Corcino and Stephenson made the cut.

mth123
11-16-2011, 08:27 PM
BA is still the best at this, but there is enough history to see that they have some consistent blind spots.

They always put the most recent number 1 pick in the top ten. The fact he's only number 7 speaks fairly highly of the system IMO.

Hamilton was not going to drop from last year coming off of a 100 SB season (though I have him at 10 personally).

I'm guessing Yorman moving to a corner dropped his stock more than anything.

A couple of years ago Frazier was number 1 based on the absurd notion that he could be an every day second baseman. I think he stayed in the top 10 just because of that.

Sappelt won't get love from a place like BA and I'm not surprised he's missing.

Surprised by Didi in the top 10, but its not really out of the question. Defensive specialists at SS make lists like this all the time. Guys who can legitimately play SS at the major league level have some value without much regard to how they hit. Toss in the youth and he'll get a lot of love.

I'm sure BA is biased against a little guy like Torreyes. I wonder how they would have ranked Joe Morgan?

New Fever
11-16-2011, 08:48 PM
I wonder how many of these will make BA's Top 100 list. I would think:

Mesoraco Top 25
Hamilton 25-50
Alonso 25-50
Grandal 75-100
Cozart 75-100

I'd be surprised (pleasantly) if Corcino and Stephenson made the cut.

From the BA chat:
@Jaypers413 (IL): How many of the top 10 would you nominate for the top 100?
J.J. Cooper: I think the top four are pretty safe bets, and I'd be comfortable saying that Cozart will likely make it as well. Corcino has a chance too, so I'd say probably five make it, maybe six.

New Fever
11-16-2011, 08:51 PM
BA is still the best at this, but there is enough history to see that they have some consistent blind spots.

They always put the most recent number 1 pick in the top ten. The fact he's only number 7 speaks fairly highly of the system IMO.

Hamilton was not going to drop from last year coming off of a 100 SB season (though I have him at 10 personally).

I'm guessing Yorman moving to a corner dropped his stock more than anything.

A couple of years ago Frazier was number 1 based on the absurd notion that he could be an every day second baseman. I think he stayed in the top 10 just because of that.

Sappelt won't get love from a place like BA and I'm not surprised he's missing.

Surprised by Didi in the top 10, but its not really out of the question. Defensive specialists at SS make lists like this all the time. Guys who can legitimately play SS at the major league level have some value without much regard to how they hit. Toss in the youth and he'll get a lot of love.

I'm sure BA is biased against a little guy like Torreyes. I wonder how they would have ranked Joe Morgan?

Also from the chat:


Kyle (Oxford): How close was Yorman Rodriguez to making the list? Have his tools dropped off at all, or is he falling because of makeup concerns? His production in the MWL didn't seem all that bad for his age.

J.J. Cooper: One follow-up question on Rodriguez. If you just look at his numbers, it doesn't look all that bad. But it's hard to find a decent report from someone who actually watched him play last year. He has the tools to be a center fielder, but he had to be moved to right field because he showed so little effort in center field (something that doesn't exactly make you popular with your pitchers). He can run well, but it's hard to find a scout who could make much of an evaluation on his speed because he rarely ran at full speed. If the light bulb comes on and he realizes how good he could be, he could really be something, but right now, he's shown no indication that he will do the things necessary to turn his raw tools into on-field production. The tools are still there, and he is still young, but he's further away now than he was a year ago. The most damning way to put it is that the Dayton Dragons became a much better team once Rodriguez was no longer playing. Contrast that to Ronald Torreyes who made the team significantly better when he arrived.

Cale32 (Roanoke, VA): JJ - Thanks for the chat. Where do you think Hamilton winds up defensively? His speed is game changing, but from the peoople you spoke to do you think he will have enough bat to be more than a utility type? Would Luis Castillo be a good comp.?

J.J. Cooper: I know there are a lot of people who follow prospects intently who are ready to write off Hamilton as a hitter, but the scouts I talk to aren't nearly as ready to do that. For one thing, we have to remember that this isn't 2002, so the power numbers aren't what they used to be. The averages for a big league shortstop last year were .261/.314/.374. Hamilton could do better than that if he continues to develop. Also, he's showing significant improvements at the plate in both his swing mechanics and his approach month by month. If you compared Hamilton in April to Hamilton in August, he was a completely different hitter, one who went from being helpless from the left side to being a useful hitter from that side. I've had scouts outside of the Reds organization project him as a future 60 hitter. He's never going to hit for power, and again, if this was a decade ago, that would be a big problem. It's not nearly as much of a problem these days.

New Fever
11-16-2011, 08:54 PM
Harry (NJ): Does the "little red machine", aka Ron Torreyes, get consideration in your top 30?

J.J. Cooper: You can't help but love Torreyes. His size will always be a question, but man he can hit, and he's solid defensively. If everything breaks right, he's an everyday second baseman. If it doesn't there are plenty of scouts who think he could handle SS and 3B well enough to be a useful utilityman.

Greg (ohio): Hoe did you decide on Billy Hamilton at #2 when there are major league ready prospects below him on the list?

J.J. Cooper: Our rankings are based on a combination of factors, one of which is looking at how they are valued by teams around baseball. Yes, Todd Frazier is much readier for the big leagues than Billy Hamilton, but I feel safe in saying that the vast majority of teams would rather have Hamilton than Frazier in a trade. Frazier is a potential solid big leaguer. But scouts for other teams think that Hamilton can be an impact player, especially now that the game is getting away from its POWER-POWER-POWER era and entering a lower-scoring environment. Teams covet up-the-middle guys, which makes Hamilton, Mesoraco and Grandal very valuable. As one scout described it to me, if you have a tie between a catcher and a first baseman, you'll never go wrong to pick the catcher. Yes, you can point out now that I put Alonso just ahead of Grandal.

Greg (ohio): Dave Sappelt get any consideration for the top 10, considering Drew Stubbs terrible offensive season

J.J. Cooper: He was considered, but it wasn't that close. Sappelt already is a big leaguer, and I think he'll have a big league career, but he can't play center field well enough to play it as a regular, and I don't think he'll hit enough to be a regular as a left fielder. With the Reds his problem is that Chris Heisey is simply better. Heisey can play center every day, Sappelt can't. Heisey runs better, has a better arm and has more power. Sappelt may have a better hit tool than Heisey, but even that is pretty close. He could end up being a fourth outfielder for either Cincinnati or someone else.

dougdirt
11-16-2011, 08:59 PM
Greg (ohio): Dave Sappelt get any consideration for the top 10, considering Drew Stubbs terrible offensive season

J.J. Cooper: He was considered, but it wasn't that close. Sappelt already is a big leaguer, and I think he'll have a big league career, but he can't play center field well enough to play it as a regular, and I don't think he'll hit enough to be a regular as a left fielder. With the Reds his problem is that Chris Heisey is simply better. Heisey can play center every day, Sappelt can't. Heisey runs better, has a better arm and has more power. Sappelt may have a better hit tool than Heisey, but even that is pretty close. He could end up being a fourth outfielder for either Cincinnati or someone else.

I strongly disagree with this. On defense, the only thing Heisey is better at than Sappelt is throwing strongly. Sappelt has more range and their gloves are both just fine. At the plate, I don't believe for a second that Heisey has "a close" hit tool to Sappelt. Heisey has better power, but Sappelt is the better offensive player and I don't think its that close. Heisey struggles to make contact and doesn't walk much. That means he is going to have a lower average and lower OBP.

_Sir_Charles_
11-16-2011, 09:16 PM
I'm sure BA is biased against a little guy like Torreyes. I wonder how they would have ranked Joe Morgan?

I'm going to hope that you're only comparing them due to their height. Because I'm a big Torreyes fan...but pulling the Morgan card might be a tad overboard. :lol:

mth123
11-16-2011, 10:08 PM
I'm going to hope that you're only comparing them due to their height. Because I'm a big Torreyes fan...but pulling the Morgan card might be a tad overboard. :lol:

Of course. I wouldn't compare any prospect to a HOF player. The point is I think BA has a bias against guys who aren't physical studs (and that isn't out of the question). I'd bet if BA was around in 1965, Joe Morgan wouldn't have been on any top 10 lists coming off of an OPS of .953 in 601 AA PAs.

fearofpopvol1
11-17-2011, 03:34 AM
I agree with the BA selection of Billy Hamilton second.

I disagree. I think he was overrated here some. If Hamilton sticks at SS, and it is a big IF, then maybe. But that has to be settled.

mth123
11-17-2011, 03:56 AM
IMO, putting too much emphasis on the maturity issues of an 18 year old kid doesn't make sense. Kids sometimes do things when they are kids because kids are generally immature. IMO, the much bigger issue with Y-Rod's value is the fact that the Reds no longer seem to view him as a CF. As a CF a .750 OPS would make him pretty darn valuable. As a corner guy, it makes him a 4th OF. There is a lot more pressure on his bat if he's relegated to a corner. Until he shows some .850+ OPS seasons in a full season league, its hard for me to put him in the top 10 as a corner. I know he has tools, but there are lots of guys with great tools who never do anything. His youth and the fact that he's playing in a full season league at all gives him a lot of extra credit and puts him on the list, but the Reds have a lot of pretty good prospects and I can't put him that high on youth and tools alone considering the competition.

redsfandan
11-17-2011, 06:13 AM
Surprised by Didi in the top 10, but its not really out of the question. Defensive specialists at SS make lists like this all the time. Guys who can legitimately play SS at the major league level have some value without much regard to how they hit. Toss in the youth and he'll get a lot of love.

Fair enough. I just can't value a guy that looks like a possible mlb backup that highly considering the Reds minor league depth.


Greg (ohio): Hoe did you decide on Billy Hamilton at #2 when there are major league ready prospects below him on the list?

J.J. Cooper: Our rankings are based on a combination of factors, one of which is looking at how they are valued by teams around baseball. Yes, Todd Frazier is much readier for the big leagues than Billy Hamilton, but I feel safe in saying that the vast majority of teams would rather have Hamilton than Frazier in a trade. Frazier is a potential solid big leaguer. But scouts for other teams think that Hamilton can be an impact player, especially now that the game is getting away from its POWER-POWER-POWER era and entering a lower-scoring environment. Teams covet up-the-middle guys, which makes Hamilton, Mesoraco and Grandal very valuable. As one scout described it to me, if you have a tie between a catcher and a first baseman, you'll never go wrong to pick the catcher. Yes, you can point out now that I put Alonso just ahead of Grandal.
I would love it if Hamilton can help the Reds get a #1 or #2 starting pitcher.

I disagree. I think he was overrated here some. If Hamilton sticks at SS, and it is a big IF, then maybe. But that has to be settled.

If Hamilton can't stay in the middle infield then it's possible that the Reds may decide to take advantage of his speed and use him in the outfield. Maybe it shouldn't matter but a move to center hurts his value, in my eyes, a little.

mth123
11-17-2011, 06:59 AM
Where BA ranked these guys the last three years




Name 11 10 '09
Mes' 1 3 30
Hamtn 2 2 11
Alonso 3 4 2
Grandal 4 6 N/A
Cozart 5 8 10
Corcino 6 15 N/A
Stephsn 7 N/A N/A
Didi 8 19 15
Frazier 9 9 1
Box'ger 10 18 9

redsof72
11-17-2011, 10:37 AM
Also from the chat:


Kyle (Oxford): How close was Yorman Rodriguez to making the list? Have his tools dropped off at all, or is he falling because of makeup concerns? His production in the MWL didn't seem all that bad for his age.

J.J. Cooper: One follow-up question on Rodriguez. If you just look at his numbers, it doesn't look all that bad. But it's hard to find a decent report from someone who actually watched him play last year. He has the tools to be a center fielder, but he had to be moved to right field because he showed so little effort in center field (something that doesn't exactly make you popular with your pitchers). He can run well, but it's hard to find a scout who could make much of an evaluation on his speed because he rarely ran at full speed. If the light bulb comes on and he realizes how good he could be, he could really be something, but right now, he's shown no indication that he will do the things necessary to turn his raw tools into on-field production. The tools are still there, and he is still young, but he's further away now than he was a year ago. The most damning way to put it is that the Dayton Dragons became a much better team once Rodriguez was no longer playing. Contrast that to Ronald Torreyes who made the team significantly better when he arrived.



That might be the most spot-on report on a prospect that I have ever seen from Baseball America.

BuckeyeRedleg
11-17-2011, 05:46 PM
That might be the most spot-on report on a prospect that I have ever seen from Baseball America.

Maybe they've been reading your posts on this board. ;)

New Fever
12-15-2011, 08:28 PM
Baseball America just missed NL Top 10 list, 2 Reds made it.


Yorman Rodriguez, rf, Reds: Rodriguez has yet to live up to the then-Venezuelan-record $2.5 million bonus he got in 2008, mainly because he's immature as a hitter and as a person. Then again, he's still just 19 and it's easy to dream about his tools. His plus power, speed and arm strength could translate into something special once he grows up


J.C. Sulbaran, rhp, Reds: A mainstay on the Dutch national team that won the World Cup in October, Sulbaran signed out of U.S. high school for $500,000 as a 30th-rounder in 2008. He has averaged more than a strikeout per inning at three pro stops, and his K-BB ratio soared to a career-best 3.1 in high Class A last season. He ran his fastball up to 93-95 mph more frequently and flashed a plus curveball.

Mario-Rijo
12-16-2011, 11:24 AM
IMO, putting too much emphasis on the maturity issues of an 18 year old kid doesn't make sense. Kids sometimes do things when they are kids because kids are generally immature. IMO, the much bigger issue with Y-Rod's value is the fact that the Reds no longer seem to view him as a CF. As a CF a .750 OPS would make him pretty darn valuable. As a corner guy, it makes him a 4th OF. There is a lot more pressure on his bat if he's relegated to a corner. Until he shows some .850+ OPS seasons in a full season league, its hard for me to put him in the top 10 as a corner. I know he has tools, but there are lots of guys with great tools who never do anything. His youth and the fact that he's playing in a full season league at all gives him a lot of extra credit and puts him on the list, but the Reds have a lot of pretty good prospects and I can't put him that high on youth and tools alone considering the competition.

I don't think so, I think you have to call it like you see it at this juncture. Some guys never grow out of that mindset/behavior and are worse (often much worse) for it. If you are willing to guarantee he grows out of it then sign me up for a top 5 (even top 3) prospect but until he shows some sign of caring beyond that 2.5 million dollars I smack him with the underachiever label. Lots of guys are immature, many are not but few let it show so obviously on the field as Yorman does. I seen it on and off the field last season and it was quite disheartening. I'm not done believing in him fully but I have seen it to many times with plenty of players to not ding him for it right now.

IMO a players attitude is extremely important in his development and his stinks right now.

powersackers
12-16-2011, 03:30 PM
I don't think so, I think you have to call it like you see it at this juncture. Some guys never grow out of that mindset/behavior and are worse (often much worse) for it. If you are willing to guarantee he grows out of it then sign me up for a top 5 (even top 3) prospect but until he shows some sign of caring beyond that 2.5 million dollars I smack him with the underachiever label. Lots of guys are immature, many are not but few let it show so obviously on the field as Yorman does. I seen it on and off the field last season and it was quite disheartening. I'm not done believing in him fully but I have seen it to many times with plenty of players to not ding him for it right now.

IMO a players attitude is extremely important in his development and his stinks right now.

Is anyone playing hardball with him? Any coaches for scouting directors seeking intervention, counseling? Seems like letting 2.5 million bucks spoil is such a waste.

dougdirt
12-16-2011, 07:27 PM
I don't think so, I think you have to call it like you see it at this juncture. Some guys never grow out of that mindset/behavior and are worse (often much worse) for it. If you are willing to guarantee he grows out of it then sign me up for a top 5 (even top 3) prospect but until he shows some sign of caring beyond that 2.5 million dollars I smack him with the underachiever label. Lots of guys are immature, many are not but few let it show so obviously on the field as Yorman does. I seen it on and off the field last season and it was quite disheartening. I'm not done believing in him fully but I have seen it to many times with plenty of players to not ding him for it right now.

IMO a players attitude is extremely important in his development and his stinks right now.

Here is my take on Yorman and his attitude issues....

For right now, it isn't something to penalize him for. For starters, this season was the first time we heard about anything like it. Secondly, he dealt with a ton of stuff this season. Right before the season, he found out he was going to be a father but was going to be 2800 miles away from that. He then lost both his best friend and grandma on the same day in separate incidents and was again 2800 miles away. At the age of 18. That is a lot to throw on a kid.

Keep an eye on it over the next few years and if it remains a problem, start worrying about it. But when it comes at the age of 18, when there are things off the field that are pretty life altering all going on, you give it a pass.

Outlaw133
12-16-2011, 08:36 PM
Mesaraco may in time live up to his billing, but his 2011 wasn't all that impressive, especially defensively. "Rookie nerves"?

Outlaw133
12-16-2011, 08:48 PM
Here is my take on Yorman and his attitude issues....

For right now, it isn't something to penalize him for. For starters, this season was the first time we heard about anything like it. Secondly, he dealt with a ton of stuff this season. Right before the season, he found out he was going to be a father but was going to be 2800 miles away from that. He then lost both his best friend and grandma on the same day in separate incidents and was again 2800 miles away. At the age of 18. That is a lot to throw on a kid.

Keep an eye on it over the next few years and if it remains a problem, start worrying about it. But when it comes at the age of 18, when there are things off the field that are pretty life altering all going on, you give it a pass.

I can agree with that. Teens are by definition lacking in experience to react in a mature manner. Playing baseball is one thing, learning that one isn't the center of the universe is hard on some kids. Yorman might benefit from a good "sargent". Push him on learning fundamentals of the game, then asking how things are going.

dougdirt
12-16-2011, 08:52 PM
Mesaraco may in time live up to his billing, but his 2011 wasn't all that impressive, especially defensively. "Rookie nerves"?

Do you mean in the minors or in the Majors?

AWA85
12-16-2011, 09:06 PM
Do we see Yorman going to Dayton again or up to High A ?

Outlaw133
12-16-2011, 09:11 PM
I don't know why, but whenever I hear "Billy Hamilton", I think "Larry Lintz".

camisadelgolf
12-16-2011, 09:12 PM
Do you mean in the minors or in the Majors?
Majors ldo

Outlaw133
12-16-2011, 09:13 PM
Majors. I can't remember the last time I heard a catcher called for catcher's interference twice in a month.

dougdirt
12-16-2011, 09:24 PM
Majors. I can't remember the last time I heard a catcher called for catcher's interference twice in a month.

So you are basing your opinion of him on a 13 game defensive sample?