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savafan
11-22-2011, 03:05 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111121&content_id=26018700&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

fearofpopvol1
11-22-2011, 03:22 PM
I guess making the playoffs is a difference maker in MVP voting...

savafan
11-22-2011, 03:23 PM
I guess making the playoffs is a difference maker in MVP voting...

Historically, more often than not, it has been.

fearofpopvol1
11-22-2011, 03:42 PM
I know that, but it's a strange way to vote for a player.

Kemp became the seventh player in Major League history to finish the season ranked in the top three in homers, batting average, RBIs and stolen bases in their respective league, joining Hall of Famers Ty Cobb (1907, 1909-11), Honus Wagner ('08), George Sisler ('20), Chuck Klein ('32), Willie Mays ('55) and Hank Aaron ('63).

Tom Servo
11-22-2011, 03:42 PM
Should have been Kemp.

mdccclxix
11-22-2011, 04:12 PM
The NL Central owns this award.

CySeymour
11-22-2011, 04:16 PM
The NL Central owns this award.

That's what I was thinking, too. Between Votto, Braun, and of course Albert, the NL Central has been stockpiling the MVP.

RedEye
11-22-2011, 04:57 PM
Anyone notice that Votto got 6th? Not too shabby as a follow up to 2010, eh?

RedsBaron
11-22-2011, 05:06 PM
I know that, but it's a strange way to vote for a player.

Kemp became the seventh player in Major League history to finish the season ranked in the top three in homers, batting average, RBIs and stolen bases in their respective league, joining Hall of Famers Ty Cobb (1907, 1909-11), Honus Wagner ('08), George Sisler ('20), Chuck Klein ('32), Willie Mays ('55) and Hank Aaron ('63).

Ironically, of the three other players you listed, whose seasons came after the present MVP award was established in 1931, only Chuck Klein won the MVP, and in 1932 Mel Ott arguably had the better season. In 1955 Roy Campanella ultimately was given the award in a confused vote where one writer named Campanella twice on his ballot; had the ballot been thrown out (as it should have been), then Duke Snider would have been the 1955 NL MVP. In 1963, Sandy Koufax was (properly in my view) named the NL MVP.

757690
11-22-2011, 06:15 PM
I know that, but it's a strange way to vote for a player.

Kemp became the seventh player in Major League history to finish the season ranked in the top three in homers, batting average, RBIs and stolen bases in their respective league, joining Hall of Famers Ty Cobb (1907, 1909-11), Honus Wagner ('08), George Sisler ('20), Chuck Klein ('32), Willie Mays ('55) and Hank Aaron ('63).

I completely agree. It's not Kemp's fault the Dodgers are a mess and can't build a better team around him and Kershaw.

fearofpopvol1
11-22-2011, 07:12 PM
I completely agree. It's not Kemp's fault the Dodgers are a mess and can't build a better team around him and Kershaw.

Not to mention...Kemp plays a tougher defensive position than Braun does too.

Jpup
11-23-2011, 02:33 AM
Braun should have won. Good job. American League, not so much.

remdog
11-23-2011, 04:25 AM
Kemp should have won.

Plaschke wrote a good article about that:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1123-plaschke-matt-kemp-20111123,0,67832.column?page=1&track=rss

Rem

redsfandan
11-23-2011, 06:37 AM
This is kinda unrelated but according to baseball reference Braun had a .994 ops and a 166 ops+ while Kemp had a .986 ops and 171 ops+. I'm just wondering how that works.

mth123
11-23-2011, 07:41 AM
This is kinda unrelated but according to baseball reference Braun had a .994 ops and a 166 ops+ while Kemp had a .986 ops and 171 ops+. I'm just wondering how that works.

Ballparks they played in. A .986 OPS in LA and the NL West is a little more impressive than .994 in Milwaukee and the NL Central.

redsfandan
11-23-2011, 07:46 AM
Ballparks they played in. A .986 OPS in LA and the NL West is a little more impressive than .994 in Milwaukee and the NL Central.

Gotcha, I had a feeling but wasn't sure. Thanks.

PuffyPig
11-23-2011, 08:02 AM
I have no doubt that Kemp is considered by most to have had the better year.

But the MVP has a slightly different measurement.

Last year Votto and Pujols has basically identical seasons, yet Votto easily won the MVP. Votto clearly had a better season this year, yet Pujols beat him in MVP votes.

Being on a contender has always made a difference, unless someone has a monster season and the competition from the contenders isn't that close. Agree or disagree, it's pretty predicatable.

757690
11-23-2011, 08:23 AM
I have no doubt that Kemp is considered by most to have had the better year.

But the MVP has a slightly different measurement.

Last year Votto and Pujols has basically identical seasons, yet Votto easily won the MVP. Votto clearly had a better season this year, yet Pujols beat him in MVP votes.

Being on a contender has always made a difference, unless someone has a monster season and the competition from the contenders isn't that close. Agree or disagree, it's pretty predicatable.

Kemp's WAR was a full win above Braun's. Votto and Pujols has nearly identical WAR's last season.

I understand why Braun got it, but still think Kemp was robbed.

RedsBaron
11-23-2011, 10:01 AM
I have no doubt that Kemp is considered by most to have had the better year.

But the MVP has a slightly different measurement.

Last year Votto and Pujols has basically identical seasons, yet Votto easily won the MVP. Votto clearly had a better season this year, yet Pujols beat him in MVP votes.

Being on a contender has always made a difference, unless someone has a monster season and the competition from the contenders isn't that close. Agree or disagree, it's pretty predicatable.

Generally speaking that has been how MVP voting has gone for 80 years. Ted Williams won two MVP awards but had at least five other seasons in which he was statistically the best player in the AL but did not win the MVP: 1941, 1942, 1947, 1948 and 1951.
In the history of MVP voting the more interesting cases have been seasons where the best player in the league played on the pennant winner but still did not win the MVP, such as Joe DiMaggio in 1937, Stan Musial in 1944 and Willie Mays in 1962.

jojo
11-25-2011, 08:28 AM
Kemp? Who is Matt Kemp? He's probably still paying a bit for his 2010 season too.