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Redsfansince72
12-17-2011, 03:02 PM
Could Walt do another Cuban Surprise?? like Yoenis Cespedes???? Since they traded alot to get Latos??

Or go after
Beltran?
Or Seth Smith?

OrLuke Scott?


any opinions??

dMaus14
12-17-2011, 03:12 PM
I would either want Beltran or Cespedes! The only problem I see about Cespedes right now is he won't be eligible for free agency until January!

will5979
12-17-2011, 03:28 PM
Gomes is a FA...

I kidd, don't start chucking bricks at me! :laugh:

I'll take Beltran or Damon, preferrably Beltran but IMO you can't go wrong with either.

LegallyMinded
12-17-2011, 04:07 PM
Gomes is a FA...

I kidd, don't start chucking bricks at me! :laugh:

I'll take Beltran or Damon, preferrably Beltran but IMO you can't go wrong with either.

Damon would obviously be the cheaper option, and he might still have a bit left in the tank offensively, but I don't think he's capable of being a starting LFer at this point in his career. He only played in 16 games in the OF for the Rays last year, and only 37 games in the OF the year before that. Left field for the Reds hasn't exactly been a showcase of sterling defensive performance in recent years, but Damon is basically at DH now, and should stick to the AL.

On Beltran, meanwhile, I agree that he'd be a great addition. Unfortunately, he has at least one offer (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/quick-hits-beltran-vizquel-pirates-gio-rule-5-draft.html) of 10 million a year or more. Josh Willingham apparently proved too expensive for the Reds, at 7 million per year, so hoping for Beltran could be a reach.

Ohayou
12-17-2011, 06:44 PM
Cespedes? Doesn't he want something like 8 years and $100M? He's not gonna get it. The guy is obviously a tremendous athlete, but that's just way too much for an unproven player.

LegallyMinded
12-17-2011, 07:06 PM
The Reds have talked (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/quick-hits-aoki--1.html) to Jason Kubel, according to MLBTR. Also, Jocketty says the Reds don't have the money to sign someone to a Willingham-type deal.

With that in mind, I guess Beltran is out of the picture for LF. As for Kubel, I'm not sure he'd be a great fit for the club. Even if the Reds got him relatively cheap, at, say, 2 years, 12 million, I'd rather see Heisey have a chance to play every day. Granted, Kubel does seem to hit lefties better than Heisey, but 6-7 million per year seems expensive for a platoon partner, and there's no guarantee Dusty would use Kubel as a platoon player rather than a regular anyway.

dMaus14
12-17-2011, 07:21 PM
I think I read that negotiations are starting at 6 years and $30M what Chapman signed for!

Pony Boy
12-17-2011, 09:03 PM
With the clock ticking on Votto, Phillips and Rolen and Latos now in the fold it would be pretty stupid to not address LF in a big way.

Outlaw133
12-17-2011, 09:57 PM
If the Reds stay "in-house", as I expect them to, look for a combo of Heisey, Sappelt, & TBA in left.

Ohayou
12-17-2011, 10:03 PM
I hate platoons. Lets go grab Brett Gardner and win the WS! :thumbup:

The DARK
12-18-2011, 09:10 AM
I'd give Ludwick a look, as unpopular as that may be. He played in Petco and the NL West last season, which probably had a lot to do with his decreased power numbers. I'd expect him to make up some ground this season with a competitive team in GABP, and while I'd like to see Heisey get plenty of starts, I'd feel better with Ludwick/Heisey/Sappelt than Heisey/Sappelt/Frazier.

sdwagers
12-18-2011, 10:32 AM
The Reds have talked (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/quick-hits-aoki--1.html) to Jason Kubel, according to MLBTR.

Here's Kubel's stats... 29 years old


Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards

2004 22 MIN AL 23 67 60 10 18 2 0 2 7 1 1 6 9 .300 .358 .433 .792 103 26 0 0 0 1 0 /9D7

2006 24 MIN AL 73 235 220 23 53 8 0 8 26 2 0 12 45 .241 .279 .386 .665 72 85 13 0 2 1 0 7D/9
2007 25 MIN AL 128 466 418 49 114 31 2 13 65 5 0 41 79 .273 .335 .450 .785 110 188 9 1 1 5 2 7D
2008 26 MIN AL 141 517 463 74 126 22 5 20 78 0 1 47 91 .272 .335 .471 .805 115 218 12 0 0 7 2 D97
2009 27 MIN AL 146 578 514 73 154 35 2 28 103 1 1 56 106 .300 .369 .539 .907 136 277 13 3 0 5 9 D97 MVP-24
2010 28 MIN AL 143 582 518 68 129 23 3 21 92 0 1 56 116 .249 .323 .427 .750 105 221 16 3 0 5 5 9D7
2011 29 MIN AL 99 401 366 37 100 21 1 12 58 1 1 32 86 .273 .332 .434 .766 111 159 8 1 0 2 2 9D/7


He's a RH bat and would likely figure to DH for us a bit in the interleague games.

The DARK
12-18-2011, 02:20 PM
His batting looks like a guy worth taking a chance on, but what's his defense like?

Crumbley
12-18-2011, 05:17 PM
I just can't see them giving Beltran enough money and/or years.

Ludwick is coming off of a brutal year, which Petco can take some blame for but it's not like he was any better in Pittsburgh. He'll be 34 next year. I don't see him outproducing Heisey in 2012.

Luke Scott is really interesting to me but like with Ludwick, I'm concerned about his age.

OGB
12-18-2011, 06:39 PM
Frankly, I could care less about defense or power at this point as long as they have someone with a good OBP and a reasonable K rate.

With the money theyre saving, I say go big or go home on the FA market.

Tadasimha
12-18-2011, 11:20 PM
I just can't see them giving Beltran enough money and/or years.

Ludwick is coming off of a brutal year, which Petco can take some blame for but it's not like he was any better in Pittsburgh. He'll be 34 next year. I don't see him outproducing Heisey in 2012.

Luke Scott is really interesting to me but like with Ludwick, I'm concerned about his age.

Havn't seen Cody Ross mentioned here at all. He'd only be 31 for the 2012 season, and is a better defender than either Ludwick or Jason Kubel. Plus he's righty with a little pop and has a rep for timely hitting and has post-season experience with the Giants.

Eric the Red
12-19-2011, 12:11 AM
I would inquire as to the Braves asking price for Martin Prado. He played 100+ games in LF for Atlanta last year and would be able to play 3B when Rolen is resting/injured. He had a down 2011 but hit .307 in 2010 and puts the bat on the ball, rarely striking out. Again, not sure what it would take to get him but Atlanta was rumored to make him available.

jhu1321
12-19-2011, 10:58 AM
Don't think we have what it takes anymore the get a guy like Prado. Why is there no mention of Juan Fransisco backing up Rolen at 3rd? The guy can flat out hit......

LegallyMinded
12-19-2011, 11:07 AM
I would inquire as to the Braves asking price for Martin Prado. He played 100+ games in LF for Atlanta last year and would be able to play 3B when Rolen is resting/injured. He had a down 2011 but hit .307 in 2010 and puts the bat on the ball, rarely striking out. Again, not sure what it would take to get him but Atlanta was rumored to make him available.

Last I heard, the Orioles were the team closest to acquiring Prado, but trying to trade for a LFer seems like it has potential. Jason Kubel signed with Arizona (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/diamondbacks-to-sign-jason-kubel.html) today, so that's another free agent off the board, and the remaining options are either too expensive (like Beltran) or not particularly appealing.

Like you said, Prado had a down year in 2011, but his BABIP was about 50 points below his career average, so a certain bounce back could be expected. Also, his UZR in the outfield last year was pretty solid (8.2 UZR/150), so he could contribute on both sides of the field.

brad1176
12-19-2011, 11:32 AM
Now that Arizona has signed Jason Kubel, I wonder if they would trade Gerardo Parra? He's got a good average, won a gold glove, and he's young and cheap.

Old NDN
12-19-2011, 03:58 PM
I brought up Nady's name in another thread. Free agent, righty with some pop, can play 1B if needed, avg. OF defender, but has been injury prone.

LegallyMinded
12-19-2011, 10:45 PM
The Cardinals are trying to reach a deal (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/cardinals-coco-crisp-discussing-deal.html) with CoCo Crisp, which makes me wonder if the Reds have inquired on Crisp at all. He's got outstanding defensive numbers over his career as a LFer and has enough speed to be very useful on the base paths (49SB to 9CS last year). He wouldn't be your typical power-hitting LF bat, but with a career .327 wOBA, he could certainly hold his own at the plate. Also, his last deal was for 2 year/10.5 million, so he might be within the Reds' price range.

Krawhitham
12-19-2011, 11:00 PM
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DGullett35
12-19-2011, 11:37 PM
I would have loved to see this team sign Cuddyer but obviously he was too much, and Beltran is projected at 2 yrs 12 million so hes def. out of the question. I hope we can sign someone that can hit 4th in the lineup so we can split up Votto and Bruce

This may sound crazy but what if we made a trade for Shelley Duncan. he can hit 4th and has some pop. Actually played well for the Indians last year. him and Heisey could platoon. Only problem would be that when Heisey plays the 4th spot would be in the same position it is now. Just an idea tho.

americanoutlaw1
12-19-2011, 11:44 PM
Apparantly some free agents have contacted the Reds expressing their interest in playing at GABP... I really wonder if Beltran was one of them. He is in the twilight of his career and he has had a near Hall of Fame caliber career to this point. He has never been to a World Series either. I have to think that he would believe joining the Reds could help him add around 50 more home runs over the next 2 years as well as possibly finally get to a World Series. That would help his counting stats a great deal, and winning a ring is never a bad thing. He has already made a crazy amount of money (not saying he will give a huge discount by any means) but I feel that if the reds offer somthing fair they may stand a very good chance, especially if St. Louis signs Crisp (let's hope) and Beltran's market continues to thin.

americanoutlaw1
12-19-2011, 11:56 PM
BTW I know Walt said the Reds weren't going to meet the amount of dollars Kubel got, however, Carlos Beltran is not Jason Kubel, and I think Bob just may give the extra few million if it was possible.

dMaus14
12-20-2011, 12:35 AM
BTW I know Walt said the Reds weren't going to meet the amount of dollars Kubel got, however, Carlos Beltran is not Jason Kubel, and I think Bob just may give the extra few million if it was possible.

I also think that if the Cards sign Coco Crisp then there won't be too many teams in the running! I don't know what team gave him the $10M a year but I would like to see them get in on him!

LegallyMinded
12-20-2011, 09:41 AM
I also think that if the Cards sign Coco Crisp then there won't be too many teams in the running! I don't know what team gave him the $10M a year but I would like to see them get in on him!

The Blue Jays are the only other team I've seen connected to Beltran recently. It's hard to figure out what the Jays' plan is, though: They were in on the Yu Darvish bidding, so they're obviously looking to spend money, but I'm not sure if they're in "win now mode" or not. It seems like they might be better off waiting a year or two to make a big push to let players like Lawrie, Stewart and Drabek mature some, and in that case, signing Beltran wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

texasdave
12-20-2011, 10:11 AM
I am hoping for Seth Smith.

alett12
12-21-2011, 12:21 PM
I really hope they just let Heisey have his shot, if he fails you go to Sappelt, then Phipps, then Frazier, then Fransisco( i would have him higher but he will end up playing third) as for free agents in no specific order
Fukedome
Ankiel
Bill Hall
Coco Crisp
Scott Hariston
Connor Jackson
Andruw Jones