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alett12
12-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Well with the latos trade i figured i'd better go back and recreate my all of em so here it goes

1.Phillips 2B
2.Cozart SS
3.Votto 1B
4.Mesoraco C/Heisey LF
5.Bruce RF
6.Heisey LF/ Stubbs CF
7.Stubbs CF/ Hanagin C
8.Rolen 3B

Rotation
1.Cueto
2.Latos
3.Leake
4.Arroyo(I would rather this be Homer but i don't see bronson going to the pen)
5.Chapman/Homer/Wood(if he doesn't get traded)

Bullpen
Lecure
Homer
Wood
Bray(CL)
Ondruseck(CL)
Masset(CL)
Arredondo(CL)

Bench
Janish
Sappelt
Cairo
Frazier
Fransisco
Valakia
and a few odd veterans

DirtyBaker
12-21-2011, 11:58 AM
That's a very infield heavy bench, but I imagine Walt will get a LF between now and spring training. Probably another relief pitcher as well.

alett12
12-21-2011, 02:28 PM
you have to remember that frazier and Fransisco can play out field as well as infield

nux fan
12-21-2011, 03:33 PM
get rid of rolen

OGB
12-21-2011, 07:55 PM
That's a very infield heavy bench, but I imagine Walt will get a LF between now and spring training. Probably another relief pitcher as well.

I anticipate a couple OF signings to minor league deald ala Jeremy Hermida

mikemo14
12-22-2011, 12:39 AM
Lineup
Phillips 2b
Cozart ss
Votto 1B
Beltran Lf
Bruce Rf
Rolen 3B
Stubbs-Heisey Cf
Mesaraco C

Bench
Heisey-Stubbs
Fransisco
Hanigan
Jack Wilson
Cairo

Rotation
Latos
Cueto
Arroyo
Leake
Chapman/Bailey

Pen
Lecure
Bailey-Chapman
Ondrusek
Arrendondo
Massett
Marshall
Bray
Cordero or Madson or Lidge

R_Webb18
12-22-2011, 01:18 AM
chapman is a starter now. my guess he starts year in minors.

dMaus14
12-22-2011, 05:15 AM
C - Mesoraco
1B - Votto
2B - Phillips
3B - Rolen
SS - Cozart
LF - ?
CF - Stubbs
RF - Bruce

Bench: Cairo, Francisco, Heisey, Hanigan, ??

Rotation:
1 - Cueto
2 - Latos
3 - Leake
4 - Arroyo
5 - Bailey (Chapman - AAA)

CL: ??
Bullpen: Marshall, Ondrusek, Bray, Masset, Arredondo, Lecure

Closer Options:
1. Cordero or Madsen
2. Rich Harden - has the stuff and I think his body would hold up better if he wasn't throw so much every so often and more like 25 pitches every night

I would like to sign Keppinger for our MIF utlity guy
2011 - .277/.300/.377, 20 2Bs, 6 HRs;
* to me he's a perfect pitch hitter and utility guy; struck out 24x in 400 PAs in 2011; good enough defender to play 2B/SS

I would like one of three possibilities for LF:
1. Sign Carlos Beltran and bat him #4 - highly unlikely
2. Trade for Carlos Quentin and bat him #4 - don't know what it would cost
3. Trade for Martin Prado and bat him #2 - don't know what it would cost

Send Janish, Sappelt, Frazier to AAA

Cant Touch This
12-22-2011, 09:32 AM
I am of the firm opinion that the Reds should give Heisey a shot as the full-time starting LF and use whatever moves they have left to fortify the bullpen.

My reasoning is simple: Take Heisey's production from 2010 (279 At Bats) and prorate it out to a full season (approx. 600 ABs) and you get 37 HRs, and 100+ RBIs.

Yes, I realize you also get a K rate that rivals Stubbs' and a low BB rate, as well. But how much would a 37 HR, 100+ RBI guy cost on the open market, or via trade? A hell of a lot more than the Reds can afford. Meanwhile, we already have that production in Heisey who will cost the Reds less than $500K.

I say give him a shot. Not only will he mature as a hitter, but he should also improve his K and BB numbers merely by playing every day. Even if those numbers don't improve, I can live with them if he maintains the HR and RBI production rate. Plus, his defense will round out an excellent outfield.

I, for one, was seriously pleased when Willingham was plucked from the market because guys like him, Ross, Ludwick, etc. just don't do anything for me when we have Heisey already on the roster.

So my lineup would look like this:

1) Phillips
2) Rolen
3) Votto
4) Heisey
5) Bruce
6) Stubbs
7) Mez
8) Cozart
9) P

I would also consider Bruce in the 2 hole. I like lefties batting second and with Votto protecting him he could put up some monster numbers there.

Rotation:

Latos
Cueto
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo/Chapman

Pen:
Cordero/Madsen (either re-sign Cordero on the cheap, or use the savings on Heisey to pay for Madsen)
Marshall (stud)
Ondrusek (surrounded by a better pen, the pressure may come off Logan)
Bray (we could have the two best lefty relievers in the majors)
Massett (I give him one more year to prove he can regain what he once had)
LeCure (excellent long innings guy.)
Maybe Arredondo - the jury is still out in my opinion.

DirtyBaker
12-22-2011, 10:31 AM
I would also consider Bruce in the 2 hole. I like lefties batting second and with Votto protecting him he could put up some monster numbers there.


I wouldn't be against this either. Dusty batted him 2nd to get him out of a funk last year and it worked. Not a large sample size but in 6 games his OPS was a bit over 1.000, and that was coming off a slump.

faffy42
12-22-2011, 10:50 AM
I have very low confidence in bruces and stubbs hitting abilities. They just don't seem to have good plate discipline.
1. Cozart
2. Philips
3. Votto
4. Heisey
5. Rolen
6. Hanigan/Mes
7. Bruce
8. Stubbs

Cueto, leake, latos, arroyo, bailey/chapman

Id personally like to see chapman in closer role. Extends career, and saves those 1 run games we lost last year!

TeamSelig
12-22-2011, 02:28 PM
With Heisey as our clean up hitter, I'm certain we will make the playoffs.


/sarcasm

nux fan
12-22-2011, 06:14 PM
yeah to say nothing of mr disabled list , rolen who will bankrupt bluecross/ blue shield