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Boss-Hog
01-06-2012, 04:13 PM
All,

Since the discussion thread will likely go well over our approximate limit of posts (~1,000), please use this thread for actual game discussion once it starts. Thanks.

Boss-Hog
01-07-2012, 04:41 PM
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HeatherC1212
01-07-2012, 04:49 PM
WHO DEY!!!! So excited for the game this afternoon! Win or lose, I'm crazy proud of these guys for exceeding everyone's expectations this year. Go get em guys! :jump:

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 05:11 PM
Who dey!!

Just to make the playoffs this year is quite an accomplishment, but to win a game would be amazing. From Shula, to Blake, to Dillon, to Ocho and Palmer it's been a long time!

Key to the game is Houston's first two drives. The Bengals have a tendency at getting behind early...if it's more then a touchdown....look out!

reds1869
01-07-2012, 05:23 PM
Watching the interview on NBC it is clear that Dalton and Green have a great relationship. I thought it was great when they had Green juggle!

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Prediction: 24-13 Bengals. But win or lose this is much better than the 90's.

Who Dey!! :thumbup:

Joseph
01-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Why does Marvin always seem to defer when they win the toss?

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 05:50 PM
Gino Atkins proving why he deserved a Pro Bowl nod. D is looking stout.

Stray
01-07-2012, 05:56 PM
TD nice!

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 05:57 PM
Gino Atkins proving why he deserved a Pro Bowl nod. D is looking stout.

He looked awesome against the run there.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 05:58 PM
Touchdown benson!! Their leading in a playoff game!!!

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 05:59 PM
TD nice!

Grudens looking good with that series of play calling.

Danny Serafini
01-07-2012, 06:00 PM
Why does Marvin always seem to defer when they win the toss?

Every coach does.

blumj
01-07-2012, 06:03 PM
Every coach does.
The Pats do it, but nobody does it against them. I think they only had the ball first one game all season.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 06:04 PM
That didn't last long, Bengals hurt by calls again

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 06:06 PM
That didn't last long, Bengals hurt by calls again

We had 'em on the ropes until Pac Man lost contain on that Foster cutback run. A bit ticky tack on the call on Nelson but he just has to go a bit lower there to take away the possibility of hitting head/neck.

Danny Serafini
01-07-2012, 06:33 PM
Look at Donald Lee rumble!

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 06:38 PM
I hate for them to take 3 but Yates looks shaky. Any lead is a good one.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 06:46 PM
Stupid challenge on Marvin's part there.

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 06:46 PM
WTH? Another challenge lost.

Danny Serafini
01-07-2012, 06:46 PM
Way to waste two challenges early.

Stray
01-07-2012, 06:46 PM
No more challenges for this game.

Gizmo
01-07-2012, 06:47 PM
Why the hell?

Stray
01-07-2012, 06:48 PM
The players need to know better there and not sell it to Marvin that hard, they were running a quick play so he had to make that call fast.

Stray
01-07-2012, 06:55 PM
Minus the crazy 15 yarders that I hate (the rule more than the referees enforcing it), I like how the refs seem to be getting things right. They're taking the time to get every set of eye's opinion.

Gizmo
01-07-2012, 06:56 PM
Even so, he's the coach and needs to realize that that wasn't that big of a play (nor was the first) and it's more important to still have challenges late when it may be important, instead of basically throwing them both away in the middle of the field in the 2nd quarter.

Stray
01-07-2012, 06:59 PM
Oh I agree, but it was a 3rd down pass and the players sold it like they were certain it was a pick. It's a big play no matter what part of the game it is.

But yeah, the first one was the one I had a problem with the most.

WMR
01-07-2012, 07:02 PM
LOL

Stray
01-07-2012, 07:02 PM
Ugh. I guess the good news is we'll be down at the half, which seems to be like a good omen for us.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:02 PM
Why do I feel like we just lost the game?

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 07:03 PM
Why do I feel like we just lost the game?

One of the many perks of being a Bengals fan.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:04 PM
You can say that again.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:06 PM
and then wuss out at the end of the half. I really dislike that mentality. Throw one long down the middle and try.

WMR
01-07-2012, 07:08 PM
No one is as good at screwing something up as the Bengals.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 07:08 PM
No one is as good as screwing something up as the Bengals.

The challenges yes, but Watt made a heckuva play

BuckeyeRed27
01-07-2012, 07:09 PM
Should be winning, but oh well. Watt play was a total fluke. Even he didn't realize he caught it at first.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 07:10 PM
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that red flag comes back to haunt....?

Stray
01-07-2012, 07:11 PM
We've been good in the 2nd half when we're losing. It's those big halftime leads that worry me.

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 07:11 PM
Should be winning, but oh well. Watt play was a total fluke. Even he didn't realize he caught it at first.

More like the ball caught him.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:13 PM
My level of confidence in this team coming back to win....like 10%.

Stray
01-07-2012, 07:16 PM
I still have faith.

Gizmo
01-07-2012, 07:18 PM
It comes down to one thing: stop the run. Already given up 70 yards to Foster, and now they have the lead and will lean on that more.

KoryMac5
01-07-2012, 07:18 PM
Bengals have played awful with the lead this season. I have a feeling Dalton has these guys right where they want em.

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 07:20 PM
My level of confidence in this team coming back to win....like 10%.

It's interesting you say that. In my younger days I would have felt the same but now it seems it's no fun to me anymore to assume anything, I just sit back and watch what happens. Seems more enjoyable not to think much about what might happen and watch what does happen. Also easier to get over a loss if you don't take anything for granted.

Stray
01-07-2012, 07:21 PM
I'd like to see is run a wr screen for Hawkins...or get him the ball some way. I think he's due to break one.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:22 PM
It's interesting you say that. In my younger days I would have felt the same but now it seems it's no fun to me anymore to assume anything, I just sit back and watch what happens. Seems more enjoyable not to think much about what might happen and watch what does happen. Also easier to get over a loss if you don't take anything for granted.

I think I've gone the opposite. In my teens I watched, but with expectations to win more often. As I've aged, its become the other, I expect to lose with this team. All other sports are different.

MWM
01-07-2012, 07:22 PM
Story of the Bengals lives, outplay other team and losing. They're clearly the better team but can't seem to finish.

The first challenge was the dumb one by Marvin. It was still 3rd and 1. Why waste a challenge on that? Those are the things that keep Marvin from being a great coach. He's a good one, but hasn't seemed to get any better at managing those types of things.

Stray
01-07-2012, 07:23 PM
Story of the Bengals lives, outplay other team and losing. They're clearly the better team but can't seem to finish.

The first challenge was the dumb one by Marvin. It was still 3rd and 1. Why waste a challenge on that? Those are the things that keep Marvin from being a great coach. He's a good one, but hasn't seemed to get any better at managing those types of things.

Yeah that first challenge was horrible. The 2nd one I didn't have a problem with as much since the players were certain it was a pick.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:26 PM
Pathetic display.

5TimeWSChamps
01-07-2012, 07:27 PM
Implosion commencing.

Amazing how unprepared this team looks each playoff game

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:29 PM
If they score here its season over.

BuckeyeRed27
01-07-2012, 07:29 PM
Really need to force a turnover or make a special teams play.

MWM
01-07-2012, 07:43 PM
Texans D seems to know what's coming right now.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:48 PM
Was a good season. We did much better than I expected. Hopefully a harbinger of good things and days to come.

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 07:48 PM
Can't catch a break.

BuckeyeRed27
01-07-2012, 07:49 PM
Geez Crocker. Have to make that play. Then misses on the sack too.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:51 PM
Season.

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 07:53 PM
Season.

Thanks for the updates.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 07:54 PM
Geez Crocker. Have to make that play. Then misses on the sack too.

Betty needs to be replaced in 2012

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 07:56 PM
Simpson...

:lol:

Joseph
01-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Thanks for the updates.

Thats what I'm here for.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 07:57 PM
How and why didn't Gresham get outta bounds on the last play?

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 08:00 PM
Of course it was Livings.

Playadlc
01-07-2012, 08:04 PM
If we punt here I will die.

UKFlounder
01-07-2012, 08:04 PM
It will be interesting to see if they keep up their recent pattern and only win about 4 games next year.

With Marvin in charge, it is very possible

paintmered
01-07-2012, 08:05 PM
Smartest interception of the year. :lol:

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 08:05 PM
Whitworth just gave up on that play.

MWM
01-07-2012, 08:08 PM
Bengals just look lost in the 2nd half. I've always been a defender of Marvin but he's in over his head in the playoffs.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 08:10 PM
Bengals just look lost in the 2nd half. I've always been a defender of Marvin but he's in over his head in the playoffs.

Always seems to be in all big games

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 08:13 PM
This game is clearly illustrating the Bengals weaknesses. Secondary (sans Nelson and Clements) and OL. Not to mention a real threat on the ground who can run and catch.

Crocker is toast, Pac Man is not a very disciplined player in approach or technique. Need an OG who can play at all and a again a real good big time RB.

Playadlc
01-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Dalton has just been terrible today.

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 08:16 PM
Bengals just look lost in the 2nd half. I've always been a defender of Marvin but he's in over his head in the playoffs.

Yeah have to agree.

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:16 PM
And that'll do it.

Good season, disappointing end.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:17 PM
This game is clearly illustrating the Bengals weaknesses. Secondary (sans Nelson and Clements) and OL. Not to mention a real threat on the ground who can run and catch.

Crocker is toast, Pac Man is not a very disciplined player in approach or technique. Need an OG who can play at all and a again a real good big time RB.

They need a real GM and a scouting unit. They could afford it if Mike Brown would take down his salary from $2 million dollars to $1.5, which is what Rooney pays himself. Yeah, Mike Brown makes more than Rooney lol...

UKFlounder
01-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Does this game make Dalton "Bengalized" now?

Playadlc
01-07-2012, 08:19 PM
They need a real GM and a scouting unit. They could afford it if Mike Brown would take down his salary from $2 million dollars to $1.5, which is what Rooney pays himself. Yeah, Mike Brown makes more than Rooney lol...

How many times are you going to make this point? Goodness, learn to pick your spots better.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 08:19 PM
3 interceptions for Dalton. Doing his best Carson Palmer impression only without the touchdowns and 300 yards passing.

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:19 PM
They need a real GM and a scouting unit. They could afford it if Mike Brown would take down his salary from $2 million dollars to $1.5, which is what Rooney pays himself. Yeah, Mike Brown makes more than Rooney lol...

We've done just fine drafting and signing FAs (have to realize how free agents wouldn't really want to come here anyway).

We just lack talent and depth in the secondary, have a below average O-Line, and no real RB threat.

When you're a 4-12 team you aren't going to fix everything in one offseason.

paintmered
01-07-2012, 08:19 PM
Thought Foster stepped out of bounds there. Bengals can't challenge though.

Edit: nope, stayed in bounds.

Close the book on this season. Time for the draft.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:20 PM
How many times are you going to make this point? Goodness, learn to pick your spots better.

I've never said that before.

yab1112
01-07-2012, 08:20 PM
Well that was kind of embarrassing.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:22 PM
We've done just fine drafting and signing FAs (have to realize how free agents wouldn't really want to come here anyway).

We just lack talent and depth in the secondary, have a below average O-Line, and no real RB threat.

When you're a 4-12 team you aren't going to fix everything in one offseason.

Well I would say a GM and scouting would fix "a lack of talent," no?

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:22 PM
The defense hasn't been great, but a lotta blame goes on Dalton today as well. He had a really bad game. 1 terrible pick, several missed throws that could have changed the game, and taken some bad sacks.

Such is life with a rookie in his first playoff game, if only had could lean on a run game like Yates.

Oh well, suck it up and have a good draft. We have some solid pieces to build around for the future.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 08:22 PM
Crocker proving why he never belonged on anything but a non playoff team....pathetic

Mario-Rijo
01-07-2012, 08:22 PM
They need a real GM and a scouting unit. They could afford it if Mike Brown would take down his salary from $2 million dollars to $1.5, which is what Rooney pays himself. Yeah, Mike Brown makes more than Rooney lol...

Disagree. But not the place for that debate, especially right now after Crocker just got dog walked all the way down the sideline. Time for some Skyrim before work. Can't wait 'til the draft.

BuckeyeRed27
01-07-2012, 08:23 PM
3 interceptions for Dalton. Doing his best Carson Palmer impression only without the touchdowns and 300 yards passing.

He's bad one bad pass all day. The second pick was on fourth down and he was under heavy pressure.

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:24 PM
Well I would say a GM and scouting would fix "a lack of talent," no?

What FA should we have signed? The one who turned down an equal offer to not sign here? The one who chose the 49ers in a draw because he didn't want to come here?

Or should we have not drafted AJ Green in the 1st, or Dalton in the 2nd? Or Leon Hall shouldn't have torn his achilles? At some point you have to realize that when you're mainly able to build a team through the draft, it can't be done in one single offseason.

Joseph
01-07-2012, 08:24 PM
He's bad one bad pass all day. The second pick was on fourth down and he was under heavy pressure.

You're correct, I'm just disgusted and frustrated.

jojo
01-07-2012, 08:27 PM
Just don't forget that this season was a gift and this game is gravy.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:28 PM
What FA should we have signed? The one who turned down an equal offer to not sign here? The one who chose the 49ers in a draw because he didn't want to come here?

Or should we have not drafted AJ Green in the 1st, or Dalton in the 2nd? Or Leon Hall shouldn't have torn his achilles? At some point you have to realize that when you're mainly able to build a team through the draft, it can't be done in one single offseason.

What does it tell you that he doesn't want to play here?

This isn't a one year problem- this is past years' problems.

They haven't one a playoff game in twenty years and you're just fine with the GM and one scout because of two good draft picks.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 08:28 PM
Just don't forget that this season was a gift and this game is gravy.

Amen. We play any other playoff team and we don't even believe we can win

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:28 PM
He's bad one bad pass all day. The second pick was on fourth down and he was under heavy pressure.

He's missed some wide open receivers too. He's had a bad game.

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:30 PM
What does it tell you that he doesn't want to play here?

This isn't a one year problem- this is past years' problems.

They haven't one a playoff game in twenty years and you're just fine with the GM and one scout because of two good draft picks.

Then what point are you making? A GM would not have changed the perception that this years Bengals team was not going to win a lot of games. To change the culture you have to win over an extended period of time. Free agents aren't deciding who they sign with based on who is negotiating their deals, they're making their decisions on money and their chance to be on a successful team.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 08:34 PM
There's a bright future in Cincy folks...

BuckeyeRed27
01-07-2012, 08:36 PM
He's missed some wide open receivers too. He's had a bad game.

I disagree. He hasn't had a great game, but he didn't have a bad game. More importantly Andy Dalton is not the reason the Bengals lost. Not even close.

Playadlc
01-07-2012, 08:39 PM
Dalton has been awful today, IMO.

forfreelin04
01-07-2012, 08:39 PM
Blown out.....will a Cincy team ever win a playoff game?

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:40 PM
I disagree. He hasn't had a great game, but he didn't have a bad game. More importantly Andy Dalton is not the reason the Bengals lost. Not even close.

Nah I wasn't putting the whole loss on him, but I still don't think he played that great. He left some big plays out there.

All around nobody really played well though, special teams to defense to offense.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:40 PM
The point I'm making is that nobody is going to come here because there is no framework in place for winning. and there's no framework in place because there are no scouts and there is no GM.

You are a star free agent in the NFL, and you have a choice between going to a team that invests its money in a true football franchise staff, or you can go to the team that doesn't have any of that but does have his entire family in front office positions and pays himself a half million dollars more a year than the most successful owner in football.

I love the Bengals, but it isn't blind. You gotta call it like it is, and when you are the only football team in the NFL that hasn't won a playoff game in twenty years, you have to take a hard look in the mirror.

BuckeyeRed27
01-07-2012, 08:42 PM
Game really came down to Watt making a play he shouldn't have and Crocker not making a play he should have.

CTA513
01-07-2012, 08:44 PM
That Joseph guy looked pretty good for the Texans.

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:44 PM
I don't really buy that at all. The paychecks get signed here just the same as anywhere else.

Look at the Saints and Colts for example, they were absolutely terrible franchises till a QB came around to get things rolling. If the Bengals can keep drafting well and more importantly, keep winning football games, the rest will take care of itself.

As a GM/Owner, Mike Brown has done an excellent job in recent years. He's about to win the NFL Exec of the year for his efforts. So our problem hasn't really been there, he's done a good job of putting some pieces in place to build that framework.

Yachtzee
01-07-2012, 08:45 PM
Then what point are you making? A GM would not have changed the perception that this years Bengals team was not going to win a lot of games. To change the culture you have to win over an extended period of time. Free agents aren't deciding who they sign with based on who is negotiating their deals, they're making their decisions on money and their chance to be on a successful team.

The Browns have a GM and it hasn't helped them for squat. GM does not guarantee success. GM or no GM, winning cures all ills.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:51 PM
The Browns have a GM and it hasn't helped them for squat. GM does not guarantee success. GM or no GM, winning cures all ills.

Well we've had the same GM* for 21 years and haven't won a playoff game.

I don't know, you think that's a problem?

*Mike Brown pays himself a GM bonus

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 08:53 PM
I don't really buy that at all. The paychecks get signed here just the same as anywhere else.

Look at the Saints and Colts for example, they were absolutely terrible franchises till a QB came around to get things rolling. If the Bengals can keep drafting well and more importantly, keep winning football games, the rest will take care of itself.

As a GM/Owner, Mike Brown has done an excellent job in recent years. He's about to win the NFL Exec of the year for his efforts. So our problem hasn't really been there, he's done a good job of putting some pieces in place to build that framework.

The only time they have went to the playoffs in recent years is when the schedule is weak. They have not won a single playoff game in two decades and Mike Brown isn't the problem?

You think it's just bad luck?

Stray
01-07-2012, 08:59 PM
The only time they have went to the playoffs in recent years is when the schedule is weak. They have not won a single playoff game in two decades and Mike Brown isn't the problem?

You think it's just bad luck?

More of a problem for us as fans. Do you think free agents consider how that 1996 season went when they're deciding who to sign with?

I'm not saying he's always been great, but in recent years he has done an excellent job. Instead of living in the past I'd rather look forward, and I like that we do have a foundation to build around.

To say that this years team's weaknesses were due to a lack of scouting and a true GM...I just don't buy that at all.

Yachtzee
01-07-2012, 09:05 PM
Well we've had the same GM for 21 years and haven't won a playoff game.

I don't know, you think that's a problem?

I'm no fan of Mike Brown, but from what I've heard he's delegated draftiing and stays out of it for the most part. Based on the results I say it seems to be a positive. Of course, I live in Browns territory and I've seen them get all pumped up over a new GM like Holmgren, only to be disappointed. So I'm not going to get worked up about it. If they win, I'm happy. If they lose, I've got better things to stress about. Mike Brown is never going hire a GM. He's more likely to just hand over control to the head coach. If you want a GM, you might as well do a Mike Brown death watch.

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 09:08 PM
More of a problem for us as fans. Do you think free agents consider how that 1996 season went when they're deciding who to sign with?

I'm not saying he's always been great, but in recent years he has done an excellent job. Instead of living in the past I'd rather look forward, and I like that we do have a foundation to build around.

To say that this years team's weaknesses were due to a lack of scouting and a true GM...I just don't buy that at all.

Free agents don't sign places that have 50% smaller weight facilities than every other team. They don't sign places where there is no indoor practice facility. They don't sign places where there is zero hope of winning a playoff game.

You are correct, 1996 doesn't matter, but when you look at the ownership as a whole, this is what you see (from Wikipedia):

Since Brown became owner, the team has had only 2 winning seasons out of 20 and has a winning percentage of .361 (115-204-1) in the regular season and .000 (0-2) in the playoffs.[24] In 2008, the Bengals set a record for the most games needed under one specific owner to attain 100 wins (288). In 2010, the team set a record for the least games needed to lose 200 (both considering and not considering playoffs) under one specific owner (314).[25]
The Bengals hold a number of distinctions for the time frame of Brown's ownership: It is the only team with three nine-game-or-more losing streaks.[26] It also holds six of the twenty-five 0-6 starts (24%)[27] and four of the thirteen 0-8 starts (31%) in that time.[28] The Bengals have gone winless in October eight different times in twenty years under five different head coaches (Sam Wyche was originally hired by Paul Brown).

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 09:14 PM
I'm no fan of Mike Brown, but from what I've heard he's delegated draftiing and stays out of it for the most part. Based on the results I say it seems to be a positive. Of course, I live in Browns territory and I've seen them get all pumped up over a new GM like Holmgren, only to be disappointed. So I'm not going to get worked up about it. If they win, I'm happy. If they lose, I've got better things to stress about. Mike Brown is never going hire a GM. He's more likely to just hand over control to the head coach. If you want a GM, you might as well do a Mike Brown death watch.

You're missing my point. I'm not saying that just because we get a GM we will win. Of course you have to have the right one.

But you have zero chance in finding the right one if you won't even look.

Stray
01-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Free agents don't sign places that have 50% smaller weight facilities than every other team. They don't sign places where there is no indoor practice facility. They don't sign places where there is zero hope of winning a playoff game.

You are correct, 1996 doesn't matter, but when you look at the ownership as a whole, this is what you see (from Wikipedia):

Since Brown became owner, the team has had only 2 winning seasons out of 20 and has a winning percentage of .361 (115-204-1) in the regular season and .000 (0-2) in the playoffs.[24] In 2008, the Bengals set a record for the most games needed under one specific owner to attain 100 wins (288). In 2010, the team set a record for the least games needed to lose 200 (both considering and not considering playoffs) under one specific owner (314).[25]
The Bengals hold a number of distinctions for the time frame of Brown's ownership: It is the only team with three nine-game-or-more losing streaks.[26] It also holds six of the twenty-five 0-6 starts (24%)[27] and four of the thirteen 0-8 starts (31%) in that time.[28] The Bengals have gone winless in October eight different times in twenty years under five different head coaches (Sam Wyche was originally hired by Paul Brown).

I guess we just have different opinions then. I believe that if we continue to draft well and win football games we will become a sexier FA destination.

I'm not so much concerned about Mike Brown's past, I'm more interested in if he continues his recent run of successful drafts this next go around. We have a lot of really good pieces in place, we just need to put more talent around them.

KoryMac5
01-07-2012, 09:27 PM
The idea of promoting Marvin to GM is looking better and better after today. This is not the first playoff game he has burned challenges on silly plays, if I remember against the Jets a few yrs ago he did the same thing. I would promote Zimmer to HC and hope Gruden doesn't go to Jax so he can continue to develop Dalton. This team is one draft away and if they play their cards right we could be set for 5-10 seasons.

remdog
01-07-2012, 09:29 PM
That was just a pathetic performance by the Bengals.

They have a lot of draft picks coming up but they need two other things: Mike Brown needs to step down and turn over control to someone that actually knows something about football.

Next, Marvin Lewis needs to go. He's got a losing record as an NFL head coach and hasn't beaten a winning team all year.

I like Dalton and Green but the rest of the team is a sham.

The 'free agent' that the Bengals could have signed was Johnathon Joseph but little Mikey wouldn't put out the money that Houstan was willing to even though JJ was willing to play in Cincinnati. Mikey is too cheap. What a putz.

Rem

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 09:35 PM
I guess we just have different opinions then. I believe that if we continue to draft well and win football games we will become a sexier FA destination.

I'm not so much concerned about Mike Brown's past, I'm more interested in if he continues his recent run of successful drafts this next go around. We have a lot of really good pieces in place, we just need to put more talent around them.

We can agree to disagree. I promise this criticism comes from the love I have for my hometown football team.

The one flaw in your argument is that you say "if we continue to draft well."

The bengals have had, what, two good drafts in twenty years? Just because they have been recently, doesn't mean we are on some sort of upswing.

And you have to look at Brown's past. To think that after twenty years he is a different guy because a few draft picks finally went his way...I'm not sold, and maybe I'm becoming a stubborn old man, but I really don't see a difference in this year's team.

You take away one of those ducks and put in a slightly better team on that schedule, and they're 8-8 and we're back to talking how lousy they are again.

KoryMac5
01-07-2012, 09:45 PM
That was just a pathetic performance by the Bengals.

They have a lot of draft picks coming up but they need two other things: Mike Brown needs to step down and turn over control to someone that actually knows something about football.

Next, Marvin Lewis needs to go. He's got a losing record as an NFL head coach and hasn't beaten a winning team all year.

I like Dalton and Green but the rest of the team is a sham.

The 'free agent' that the Bengals could have signed was Johnathon Joseph but little Mikey wouldn't put out the money that Houstan was willing to even though JJ was willing to play in Cincinnati. Mikey is too cheap. What a putz.

Rem

I thought the Texans overpaid for Joseph to be honest. He hadn't been very healthy in his seasons with the Bengals, I doubt they could afford to keep them both (Hall and Joseph).

Atkins, Dunlap, Whitworth. Gresham all look better to me than a sham.

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 10:02 PM
LaMichael James anyone?

traderumor
01-07-2012, 10:10 PM
Man talk about an agenda a playoff game thread spent railing against Mike Brown?

Dom Heffner
01-07-2012, 10:13 PM
Man talk about an agenda a playoff game thread spent railing against Mike Brown?

I have an agenda?

What is up with you?

Stray
01-07-2012, 10:45 PM
I know I wear some pretty thick UC homer glasses, but the more I watched Isaiah Pead the more I was sold on him at the next level. He has all of the moves to make people miss, but I'd worry about his durability with his upright running style.

BUTLER REDSFAN
01-07-2012, 10:49 PM
I have heard for two weeks now from the Cincy media(mostly radio) what a winnable game Baltimore was supposed to be...and then all this week what a winnable game this game was supposed to be....do the Cincy media even know what they are talking about?????..We just got beat by a 3rd string quarterback for the second time in 6 weeks....pathetic.....

remdog
01-07-2012, 11:01 PM
I thought the Texans overpaid for Joseph to be honest. He hadn't been very healthy in his seasons with the Bengals, I doubt they could afford to keep them both (Hall and Joseph).

Atkins, Dunlap, Whitworth. Gresham all look better to me than a sham.

I like Atkins and Greshman but I'm not all that enammored with the other two

If Shippley comes back next year (alla Wes Walker) next year that would be a big help.

It still doesn't change my opiion that Mikey should step down and Marvin shoulp be fired.

Rem

Ohayou
01-07-2012, 11:03 PM
We just got beat by a 3rd string quarterback for the second time in 6 weeks....pathetic.....

What? Yates was a nonfactor. I think it's pretty obvious why they lost.

fearofpopvol1
01-08-2012, 12:15 AM
That was a disappointing game. Really nothing went right for the Bengals. The run defense was awful, the O-Line wasn't giving Dalton time, Dalton wasn't making a lot of great throws (including the picks he threw). They looked like a young team lacking in experience.

It was still a good season and they are ahead of schedule, though. A good draft in a few months and the 2012 Bengals may be a legitimate contender.

BuckeyeRedleg
01-08-2012, 12:37 AM
That was a disappointing game. Really nothing went right for the Bengals. The run defense was awful, the O-Line wasn't giving Dalton time, Dalton wasn't making a lot of great throws (including the picks he threw). They looked like a young team lacking in experience.

It was still a good season and they are ahead of schedule, though. A good draft in a few months and the 2012 Bengals may be a legitimate contender.

6-10 to 8-8.

I have seen this episode before.

2011 - easy schedule. Beat one winning team.

2012 - harder schedule. Nobody will take them for granted. Need to beat more than one winning team. Fans will expect something, and we know how they perform when expectations are high....and there's something to play for...and they play winning teams. They fail...time and time again.

Been there. Done that.

As I've said many times here, Marvin has the safest and most cushiest job in the NFL. Lose more than you win or a lot more than you win? Aww, it's Mikey's fault, you get an extension! Win just one or two more than you lose or go .500? Coach of the year! "You are a genius, Marvin...we are so lucky to have you."

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

BuckeyeRed27
01-08-2012, 12:57 AM
Will the schedule be that hard next year though? They made the playoffs, but still were third in the division.

Ohayou
01-08-2012, 12:59 AM
http://www.bengals.com/schedule/schedule-rotation.html

WMR
01-08-2012, 01:02 AM
There's a bright future in Cincy folks...

I've never heard that one before...

But wait, this time is different.... right? :sleep:

BuckeyeRedleg
01-08-2012, 01:13 AM
Will the schedule be that hard next year though? They made the playoffs, but still were third in the division.

Honestly, as long as the Steelers and Ravens stay pretty much awesome, there is no way the Bungals* can have an easier schedule next year. And you know the Browns will eventually suck less than they did this year. That's six games, with, IMO, no way the Bungals* possibly go better than 2-4 in division.

*I hope I don't offend with "Bungals", but I've been following this team so long I've earned the right to call them what they are. Heck, if the world comes to an end and someday they actually win something, I'd still call them the Bungals. They're my Bungals.

I feel like a Cub fan.

BuckeyeRedleg
01-08-2012, 01:19 AM
http://www.bengals.com/schedule/schedule-rotation.html

Yep, after seeing this I lean more to 6-10 than 8-8.

To be fair, though, I bet a few buddies this past August that the Bungals would win more than 5 games (most of my Steeler friends were thinking 2-14/3-13...............this is what happens when you don't use your brain and let ESPiN and the media spoon-feed you).

traderumor
01-08-2012, 09:45 AM
I have an agenda?

What is up with you?

Going on and on about Mike Brown's history during a playoff game, as a continuation of your discussion about the same thing in the Bengals thread. I get it, you think Mikey's scum and have 20+ years of history to relate. Going on and on about that in the game thread was not the time or place, esp. when it is the same information you have been going on and on about it in the long Bengals thread.

traderumor
01-08-2012, 09:48 AM
Yep, after seeing this I lean more to 6-10 than 8-8.

To be fair, though, I bet a few buddies this past August that the Bungals would win more than 5 games (most of my Steeler friends were thinking 2-14/3-13...............this is what happens when you don't use your brain and let ESPiN and the media spoon-feed you).All things being equal as of today, perhaps. But they never are. There are very few franchises in the NFL that don't dramatically change from year to year.

Dom Heffner
01-08-2012, 10:28 AM
Going on and on about Mike Brown's history during a playoff game, as a continuation of your discussion about the same thing in the Bengals thread. I get it, you think Mikey's scum and have 20+ years of history to relate. Going on and on about that in the game thread was not the time or place, esp. when it is the same information you have been going on and on about it in the long Bengals thread.

They lost the game due to personnel. Mike Brown is in charge ofnpersonnel- oh yeah, and his brother.

They hadn't won a playoff game in twenty years, well lo and behold they were playing a playoff game yesterday.

Football isn't played in a vacuum- what we saw yesterday is as much a product of the way this organization has been run as anything.

And really, nothing has changed- they can't beat a winning team. They only got there due to their schedule.

I'm sorry if you feel it wasn't the time and place. I couldn't think of a better time and place. It's not like I interrupted play by play- the game was clearly out of hand.

But thank you, Mr Message Board.

Tony Cloninger
01-08-2012, 11:33 AM
I thought the Texans overpaid for Joseph to be honest. He hadn't been very healthy in his seasons with the Bengals, I doubt they could afford to keep them both (Hall and Joseph).

Atkins, Dunlap, Whitworth. Gresham all look better to me than a sham.


What worries me is that Mike will sit on his hands.....and low ball, stall on getting Atkins (BIG Need) and Dunlap (Looks like a legit pass rusher since Edwards)...just like Joseph.

Do the Bengals know how to use a TE or i Dalton enamored with Green so much that he fails to look for him?

And again.... can this organization not understand that Guards are essential to an OL?

Stray
01-08-2012, 01:06 PM
Neither Livings or Cook are good enough to start in the NFL.

Bobbie Williams was playing fine till he got injured, Andre Smith looked really good when he was able to be out there this year, and Whitworth is definitely a solid LT. Considering who he goes up against in the AFC North I think Whitworth does a good job for us.

Dom Heffner
01-08-2012, 01:15 PM
What worries me is that Mike will sit on his hands.....and low ball, stall on getting Atkins (BIG Need) and Dunlap (Looks like a legit pass rusher since Edwards)...just like Joseph.

Do the Bengals know how to use a TE or i Dalton enamored with Green so much that he fails to look for him?

And again.... can this organization not understand that Guards are essential to an OL?

Your first point here is terrific- they have no idea how to use a TE.

I'm not as high on Dalton as everyone else. He didnt fall on his face, which given the supporting cast is truly saying something, but the last part of the season he was truthfully uninspiring.

This offense still needs a RB and needs to figure out how to use a TE, as Tony said.

Oxilon
01-08-2012, 01:41 PM
I'm having a hard time remembering the last time the Bengals won a big game. Like, any game where there was a week's worth of anticipation leading up to it. Maybe somebody can refresh my memory?

Marvin looked more scared than Dalton out there yesterday. I wanted Marvin gone years ago, but I suppose this organization is still scarred from the Pre-Marvin era that they'll settle for mediocrity over pure ineptitude.

UKFlounder
01-08-2012, 03:10 PM
Either 2009 when they swept both Baltimore & Pittsburgh, or early 2010 when they beat Baltimore at home. I think those games are usually "big games" for the Bengals, even early in the season.

I think it was the Chiefs game late in 2009 that they needed to win in order to win the division & they won it. The Chiefs weren't contenders, but it was a "big game" for the Bengals.




I'm having a hard time remembering the last time the Bengals won a big game. Like, any game where there was a week's worth of anticipation leading up to it. Maybe somebody can refresh my memory?

Marvin looked more scared than Dalton out there yesterday. I wanted Marvin gone years ago, but I suppose this organization is still scarred from the Pre-Marvin era that they'll settle for mediocrity over pure ineptitude.

traderumor
01-08-2012, 07:45 PM
[B]
They lost the game due to personnel. Mike Brown is in charge ofnpersonnel- oh yeah, and his brother.

They hadn't won a playoff game in twenty years, well lo and behold they were playing a playoff game yesterday.

Football isn't played in a vacuum- what we saw yesterday is as much a product of the way this organization has been run as anything.

And really, nothing has changed- they can't beat a winning team. They only got there due to their schedule.

I'm sorry if you feel it wasn't the time and place. I couldn't think of a better time and place. It's not like I interrupted play by play- the game was clearly out of hand.

But thank you, Mr Message Board.

and as a Bengals fan, the incessant complaining about Mikey has grown just as old. Honestly its all been said.

Hoosier Red
01-08-2012, 08:21 PM
What worries me is that Mike will sit on his hands.....and low ball, stall on getting Atkins (BIG Need) and Dunlap (Looks like a legit pass rusher since Edwards)...just like Joseph.

Do the Bengals know how to use a TE or i Dalton enamored with Green so much that he fails to look for him?

And again.... can this organization not understand that Guards are essential to an OL?

He didn't stall on Joseph. He offered him a lot of money. J JO wanted to get the hell out of dodge. Hard to blame him really, but I don't think it's fair to say the Bengals didn't do their best to keep him.

Hoosier Red
01-08-2012, 08:28 PM
Your first point here is terrific- they have no idea how to use a TE.

I'm not as high on Dalton as everyone else. He didnt fall on his face, which given the supporting cast is truly saying something, but the last part of the season he was truthfully uninspiring.

This offense still needs a RB and needs to figure out how to use a TE, as Tony said.

I agree that Dalton needs to progress rather than regress. Other teams caught up to him in the second half of the year. But to be fair, he played 11 out of 17 games against a top 10 defense and 6 games against a top 6 defense.

So his struggles would probably be more exagerrated than the average QB. Really would have been nice to see what he could do with Jordan Shipley in the lineup as well.

MWM
01-08-2012, 09:20 PM
[B]

and as a Bengals fan, the incessant complaining about Mikey has grown just as old. Honestly its all been said.

It's impossible to have a relevant conversation about the Bengals, unless its a conversation about a specific game, without talking about Mike Brown. Now, I don't know that a thread about a playoff game is the place to have it, but any conversation about the future prospects of the organization, holes needing filled, or anything else that has to do with getting to where the team needs to be pretty much HAS to center around Mike Brown.

Having said that, I disagree with Dom about why they lost this specific game. I don't think it was because of personnel and such. The Bengals had the players to beat the Texans. I thought they outplayed them in the first half, but were completely lost from a scheme perspective in the second half. They seemed to know what was coming on both sides of the ball. They had the right D called for the Bengals offense and the offense figured out how to move it against the Bengals D. They were outmaneuvered in the second half. It wasn't about the players in this specific game.

Hoosier Red
01-08-2012, 10:12 PM
It's impossible to have a relevant conversation about the Bengals, unless its a conversation about a specific game, without talking about Mike Brown. Now, I don't know that a thread about a playoff game is the place to have it, but any conversation about the future prospects of the organization, holes needing filled, or anything else that has to do with getting to where the team needs to be pretty much HAS to center around Mike Brown.

Having said that, I disagree with Dom about why they lost this specific game. I don't think it was because of personnel and such. The Bengals had the players to beat the Texans. I thought they outplayed them in the first half, but were completely lost from a scheme perspective in the second half. They seemed to know what was coming on both sides of the ball. They had the right D called for the Bengals offense and the offense figured out how to move it against the Bengals D. They were outmaneuvered in the second half. It wasn't about the players in this specific game.

This is a discussion about a specific game. Title Bengals/Texans Game Thread kinda gives it away. :)

Yachtzee
01-09-2012, 03:24 AM
The real key to the game was Arian Foster. He's just better than what the Bengals had and the Texans could just keep pounding him in there until the Bengals got tired. He has the power to go up the middle and the speed to get outside. He made good cuts too. I think the Bengals need to focus on OL and RB in the draft to complement Dalton. If they can't get someone who is a good all-round back, I think they need to get complementary backs in the style of the James Brooks/Icky Woods tandem and have them on the field at the same time so that Dalton has both an inside and outside threat. Benson and Scott seem too similar to each other.