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MikeThierry
02-11-2012, 12:45 PM
What is the most amazing baseball feats you have seen live on TV or in person?

The thing I saw live on TV that will never, ever (guaranteed) to happen again is when Fernando Tatis hit two grand slams in the same inning off the same pitcher. I had to pick my jaw off the floor when this feat was accomplished. The clip below shows what happened. Vin Scully's call is classic, of course:

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14185449

The other feat I saw which made me laugh was Bengie Molina hitting for the cycle. This is the last person I would expect to hit for the cycle. Thank god for MLB Networks live look ins during the season:

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9969169

Dan
02-11-2012, 04:37 PM
Live: I was at the game where Pete got hit 4192. Runner up would be the game where Dave Parker threw out a runner at home, then led off the bottom half of the inning with a home run. Honorable mention would be Larkin hit 2 home runs in a game on his way to hitting 5 home runs over 2 consecutive games. A note: friends had an extra ticket to see Tom Browning pitched Reds game in Sept. 1988, but they didn't ask because I was already at work for the evening. Besides it was raining so it wasn't clear whether the game would even go off...

TV: Has to be 1990 playoffs, Eric Davis throws out Bobby Bonilla at 3rd base. From center field. After running over from left to back up the play. To this day that's the best Reds defensive play I've ever seen on TV. Others I may or may not have seen on TV (don't really remember): Bo Jackson throws out Harold Reynolds at home; Jack Morris throws a no-hitter.

Dan
02-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Live: I was at the game where Pete got hit 4192. Runner up would be the game where Dave Parker threw out a runner at home, then led off the bottom half of the inning with a home run. Honorable mention would be Larkin hit 2 home runs in a game on his way to hitting 5 home runs over 2 consecutive games. A note: friends had an extra ticket to see Tom Browning pitched Reds game in Sept. 1988, but they didn't ask because I was already at work for the evening. Besides it was raining so it wasn't clear whether the game would even go off...

TV: Has to be 1990 playoffs, Eric Davis throws out Bobby Bonilla at 3rd base. From center field. After running over from left to back up the play. To this day that's the best Reds defensive play I've ever seen on TV. Others I may or may not have seen on TV (don't really remember): Bo Jackson throws out Harold Reynolds at home; Jack Morris throws a no-hitter.

dougdirt
02-11-2012, 04:52 PM
On tv: Unfortunately, it was probably Roy Halladay vs the Reds in the 2010 playoffs.

In person: Adam Dunn walk off slam against the Indians? Wily Mo Pena hitting a baseball 498 feet?

MikeThierry
02-11-2012, 05:04 PM
On tv: Unfortunately, it was probably Roy Halladay vs the Reds in the 2010 playoffs.

In person: Adam Dunn walk off slam against the Indians? Wily Mo Pena hitting a baseball 498 feet?

dougdirt, I was going to mention Halladay but I didn't want to start anything here in the Redszone with people because I figured it was still too soon.

_Sir_Charles_
02-11-2012, 06:17 PM
Mike, the pic is too small, but I'm assuming that's Stan as your avatar? It looks like a six.

Spitball
02-11-2012, 06:40 PM
I posted this a couple of years ago and am too lazy to retype it.


I was at a game at Fenway Park in 1978 for a game between the Red Sox and Rangers. Len Barker was a young, hard throwing pitcher before his best days with the Indians. He was pitching to Dwight Evans when he uncorked the most amazing wild pitch I've ever seen. It literally went high in the air almost to the broadcast booth behind homeplate. Evans had no idea where the ball went and bailed out backwards almost to the ondeck circle. Whichever network had the Game of the Week in those days would show the clip a lot in their advertisements.

I'm not sure this one counts, but in 1993 we went to a White Sox versus Rangers game in Arlington, Texas. It was not much of a game, but the next night we went to Six Flags which was right next door to that stadium. As we were leaving Six Flags and walking across the parking lot, Arlington Stadium absolutely exploded in excitement. It was an incredible outburst. We got into the car to drive to our motel, and I found the game on the radio. The announcers were describing Robin Ventura's charge of the mound and the how Nolan Ryan had taught him an old time Texas lesson. It was the most famous fight, baseball or otherwise, in Texas history...and I almost saw it.

We discussed the Eephus pitch earlier but that wasn't what Barker was trying to throw. He had already put men on with a walk and a hit batsman.

powersackers
02-11-2012, 06:46 PM
Live: I was at the game in the 1990's at Riverfront where Mark Whiten hit 4 HRs. Also in 1998 watching Mark McGwire hit batting practice during the Maris chase and catching BP HR balls in the Red seats left and right!

TV: Halladay's no-hitter or the Boston Red Sox amazing 2004 playoff run of comeback wins. David Freese '11 WS performance rates pretty high too.

MikeThierry
02-11-2012, 07:44 PM
Mike, the pic is too small, but I'm assuming that's Stan as your avatar? It looks like a six.

Yep :)

EDIT: Changed the picture so it could be seen more clearly.

BCubb2003
02-11-2012, 07:44 PM
Honorable mention would be Larkin hit 2 home runs in a game on his way to hitting 5 home runs over 2 consecutive games.

I was at that game, too.

I listened on the radio, but I always thought Rick Wise's no-hitter against the Big Red Machine while hitting two home runs deserved more attention as one of the great games a player could have.

MikeThierry
02-11-2012, 07:51 PM
I'm not sure this one counts, but in 1993 we went to a White Sox versus Rangers game in Arlington, Texas. It was not much of a game, but the next night we went to Six Flags which was right next door to that stadium. As we were leaving Six Flags and walking across the parking lot, Arlington Stadium absolutely exploded in excitement. It was an incredible outburst. We got into the car to drive to our motel, and I found the game on the radio. The announcers were describing Robin Ventura's charge of the mound and the how Nolan Ryan had taught him an old time Texas lesson. It was the most famous fight, baseball or otherwise, in Texas history...and I almost saw it.

Here you go Spit:

Nolan Ryan vs. Robin Ventura: The infamous noogie brawl on August 4, 1993 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HddrB7F66iM)

That alone made him a Hall of Famer in my book, lol

Plus Plus
02-11-2012, 07:54 PM
On TV: Randy Johnson's perfect game for the Diamondbacks in 2004

In person: A Ryan Freel diving catch on the warning track against the Cardinals in... 2006 I think? I hope someone else remembers this as well... Absolutely amazing full-out diving catch onto the dirt on the warning track, and doubled off another player to boot!

MikeThierry
02-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Plus, speaking of a great catch, I forgot this gem. Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS. Rolen hits a ball deep to the outfield and Endy Chavez makes one of the best catches I have ever seen. This was also, arguably, the best game I have ever seen.


http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4498187

BoydsOfSummer
02-11-2012, 08:10 PM
That ball Canseco hit into the upper deck in Toronto during the ALCS (don't recall the year) was just an unbelievable moon shot. I've never seen another one hit like that that I recall or sticks in my memory.

dougdirt
02-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Plus, speaking of a great catch, I forgot this gem. Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS. Rolen hits a ball deep to the outfield and Endy Chavez makes one of the best catches I have ever seen. This was also, arguably, the best game I have ever seen.


http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4498187

I almost mentioned that play as well.

cincrazy
02-11-2012, 08:21 PM
The most amazing play I've seen in person was Ryan Freel's diving catch of an Albert Pujols bomb late in the 2006 season. Does anyone remember this catch? The Reds faded that season and the Cards won the division and later the World Series, but that catch at the base of the warning track was one of the more remarkable plays I've EVER seen. It happened right in front of me, and I still have no idea whatsoever how he got to that ball.

Vottomatic
02-11-2012, 08:31 PM
That ball Canseco hit into the upper deck in Toronto during the ALCS (don't recall the year) was just an unbelievable moon shot. I've never seen another one hit like that that I recall or sticks in my memory.

I remember that. I was in awe. I'd never seen anything like it.

hebroncougar
02-11-2012, 08:35 PM
I was there in person for Larkin's first career Grand Slam.

_Sir_Charles_
02-11-2012, 11:18 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13085183

I'd forgotten about that Gibson grab and the Mitchell barehanded grab. Nice stuff.

But for me, as much as I loved Concepcion...the best play I've ever seen is the number 1 on this video. Smith.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7150581

I couldn't find the Freel grab that robbed Pujols, but I found what I thought was his BEST catch. #2 on this list.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7151023

sonny
02-12-2012, 12:00 AM
In the mid nineties at Riverfront, I witnessed a Pirates' outfield collision between the center fielder and left fielder that caused the ball to squirt up on the air just enough for the right fielder to pluck it out with the very tips of his fingers at a full sprint. I don't remember any details as far as who it was, but I can assume Andy van Slyke and Barry Bonds were involved.

RedsManRick
02-12-2012, 11:10 PM
I'm not sure if you'd call it a "feat", but Diamondback comeback against Mariano Rivera in Game 7 of the World Series in 2001 was pretty crazy and memorable.

TRF
02-13-2012, 10:47 AM
Glenn Brags broken bat
1990 World Series Hero Glenn Braggs on Sports Beat with Mike Sola - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVZt5Evcv4)
Charlton vs Scioscia
Charlton Scioscia Collision - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLTmd4Ni974)

And the minor league OF that ran through a wall. was that Bret Gray?

TRF
02-13-2012, 10:52 AM
And it sure seems like Freel, for a guy that got so much hate directed his way, did a lot of amazing things. I don't think I'll ever see a player steal 5 bases in a game again. Not at the MLB level.

Ghosts of 1990
02-13-2012, 11:03 AM
Need to limit the discussion to in-person; because I'm sure with web broadcasts out there we've all seen amazing stuff live.

Most amazing stuff in person i've seen will take some thought.... Jay Bruce's debut, Joe Randa opening day walk off, Ramon Hernandez opening day walk off, all are immediate things that jump to the front of my memory but I feel like I'm missing something.

Roy Tucker
02-13-2012, 01:31 PM
I'm trying to remember the year, but once I saw Deion Sanders score from first on a routine single to LF. And I think he scored standing up.

When he wanted to, he could turn on the afterburners. So when the ball was hit, he went full-out and just didn't stop.

MikeThierry
02-13-2012, 01:56 PM
Need to limit the discussion to in-person; because I'm sure with web broadcasts out there we've all seen amazing stuff live.

Most amazing stuff in person i've seen will take some thought.... Jay Bruce's debut, Joe Randa opening day walk off, Ramon Hernandez opening day walk off, all are immediate things that jump to the front of my memory but I feel like I'm missing something.

I don't have the money to go to a lot of baseball games so my live experience is limited. That is why I include TV into the discussion. Plus, if you limit it to just in person, basically you are mostly going to see home games.

medford
02-13-2012, 03:53 PM
Live:

the game where Junior hit the inside the park walkoff home run over the Cards. But its not limited to just that play, Pujols hit a ball over the black monster, or whatever we called that short lived super high OF wall/batters eye in CF while the current park was being built. I think it was the first homer hit over that thing, I remember talking to my buddy before the game, or early on I suppose if anyone would ever hit a home run directly over. My thought was that most bombs were pulled down the lines, while homers to direct CF were ususally more on a rope. Pujols proved me wrong, as did a handful of other people in the 2(?) seasons that wall was erected prior to moving into the new digs. That game also had a 9th inning backup catcher (kelly stinett?) homerun to tie the ball game and send it to extras, it had a collision at 2b that may (or many not) have knocked fernando Vina out of the game. As a Reds fan, I don't know that you could provide a more entertaining mid May game than that one.

On TV: well it was on highlights anyways, may have even been a ST game, I can't recall for sure, but the Randy Johnson pitch that hit the bird as it swooped across the diamond. Seriously, what are the odds of that happening? Even more so on a Randy Johnson heater?

westofyou
02-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Reggie Jackson 1971 All Star Game - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlGZCCAK4g&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

*BaseClogger*
02-13-2012, 04:20 PM
The most amazing play I've seen in person was Ryan Freel's diving catch of an Albert Pujols bomb late in the 2006 season. Does anyone remember this catch? The Reds faded that season and the Cards won the division and later the World Series, but that catch at the base of the warning track was one of the more remarkable plays I've EVER seen. It happened right in front of me, and I still have no idea whatsoever how he got to that ball.

This was my first though as well because I was at the game. $5 tickets. $1 hot dogs. Farney robbing Pujols. Does it get any better than that?

MikeThierry
02-13-2012, 09:36 PM
I completely forgot about this beauty from Rick Ankiel. If the first player he threw out wasn't amazing enough, the second putout is out of this world:

S14 - Cardinal Rick Ankiel throws out two Rockies from center field - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cOj614ohFU)

gilpdawg
02-13-2012, 09:49 PM
Live:

the game where Junior hit the inside the park walkoff home run over the Cards. But its not limited to just that play, Pujols hit a ball over the black monster, or whatever we called that short lived super high OF wall/batters eye in CF while the current park was being built. I think it was the first homer hit over that thing, I remember talking to my buddy before the game, or early on I suppose if anyone would ever hit a home run directly over. My thought was that most bombs were pulled down the lines, while homers to direct CF were ususally more on a rope. Pujols proved me wrong, as did a handful of other people in the 2(?) seasons that wall was erected prior to moving into the new digs. That game also had a 9th inning backup catcher (kelly stinett?) homerun to tie the ball game and send it to extras, it had a collision at 2b that may (or many not) have knocked fernando Vina out of the game. As a Reds fan, I don't know that you could provide a more entertaining mid May game than that one.

On TV: well it was on highlights anyways, may have even been a ST game, I can't recall for sure, but the Randy Johnson pitch that hit the bird as it swooped across the diamond. Seriously, what are the odds of that happening? Even more so on a Randy Johnson heater?
I saw Kevin Young of the Pirates hit one over that wall off Graves to force extras. I remember thinking that was probably the first to clear it because it was early April. I also saw David Ross hit into a 5-4-3 triple play against Philly. Hamels struck out 15 in that game, which I think is still the GABP record.

757690
02-13-2012, 10:15 PM
Ozzie Smith Diving catch, 8/4/86 vs. Pittsburgh.

He ran deep into the outfield, dove over Curt Ford, the left fielder and made a fully stretched out, over the shoulder, back to home plate, basket catch, narrowly avoiding a collision. Can't find any footage of it, but it was the easily the most amazing baseball play I ever saw.

VR
02-13-2012, 10:50 PM
Game 4 of a certain series w/ Oakland in 1990.


Couple of unique ones...

The game Dravecky's arm snapped.

Browning fouling a ball off home plate and bloodying his nose.

cumberlandreds
02-14-2012, 09:15 AM
In person, the most amazing feat was seeing Phil Niekro come within two outs of no hitting the 76 Reds on the next to last day of the season. I kinda wish he had done it now. Not often you can witness a no hitter.

MikeThierry
02-14-2012, 09:30 AM
The game Dravecky's arm snapped.


Ugg... I saw a clip of that on MLB network and it made my stomach churn. I don't know if I would qualify that as a feat though, lol.

cumberlandreds
02-14-2012, 09:37 AM
Ugg... I saw a clip of that on MLB network and it made my stomach churn. I don't know if I would qualify that as a feat though, lol.

I think the same thing happened to Tom Browning. No, not a pretty thing to watch.

_Sir_Charles_
02-14-2012, 09:50 AM
Yep, right up there with Joe Theisman. Yuck.

RedLegsToday
02-15-2012, 05:17 PM
In person: I was at the game when Mark McGwire hit the longest homer ever hit at Riverfront, and I was at the game where Adam Dunn hit the ball to the river (the longest homer ever hit at GABP). Ron Robinson's 8 2/3 innings of perfect ball. Game 2 of the 1990 World Series.

MikeThierry
02-15-2012, 07:17 PM
In person: I was at the game when Mark McGwire hit the longest homer ever hit at Riverfront, and I was at the game where Adam Dunn hit the ball to the river (the longest homer ever hit at GABP). Ron Robinson's 8 2/3 innings of perfect ball. Game 2 of the 1990 World Series.

As much as we all hate PED's, the 98 home run chase was dang fun. That whole year was a baseball feat onto itself.

Cedric
02-15-2012, 09:12 PM
The thing I remember most was not even part of the game. I was there when John McSherry passed away on the field on opening day.

Surreal moment.

757690
02-15-2012, 10:55 PM
As much as we all hate PED's, the 98 home run chase was dang fun. That whole year was a baseball feat onto itself.

If you consider that, you would have to say the 1919 World Series was the greatest feat ever. Sorry, frauds are automatically eliminated in my book. They rank 1-2 as the greatest embarrassments in baseball history,

cumberlandreds
02-16-2012, 08:50 AM
The most amazing feat in baseball I witnessed over a span of time was Pete Rose's 44 game hitting streak in 1978. It was captivating. Everyday wondering and hoping he would get a hit. Most of the games were not on TV then. The game he broke Tommy Holmes streak was on TV and some of the last games were. Only because they were playing the Braves that televised all their games on WTBS. The streak breaker was on TV and it was disappointing when it came to an end.

redsmetz
02-16-2012, 09:04 AM
If you consider that, you would have to say the 1919 World Series was the greatest feat ever. Sorry, frauds are automatically eliminated in my book. They rank 1-2 as the greatest embarrassments in baseball history,

I would suggest that the 1919 Series, while definitely tainted, is not an apt comparison. There are many who have suggested that the Reds would have beat the White Sox (Edd Roush went to his grave saying so, for one). The cheating there was one sided and, at that, limited to certain players. Here's an interesting read about that very good Reds club: http://rnishi.wordpress.com/category/baseball/1919-cincinnati-reds/ - no question that series is an embarrassment in ML history, but I won't diminish our clubs quality.

RedLegsToday
02-16-2012, 09:09 AM
In person: I was at the game when Mark McGwire hit the longest homer ever hit at Riverfront, and I was at the game where Adam Dunn hit the ball to the river (the longest homer ever hit at GABP).

This McGwire homer was in 2000, I believe. Junior was playing center. We were sitting in the lower section of the red seats, in fair territory. From that distance, the batter was about the size of a postage stamp, even McGwire. He hits a towering, towering fly ball. We, in the Red seats, have to strain our necks upward to watch the ball, and then it just keeps carrying and carrying and lands in the red seats over the 375' marker. It was tremendous. Dunn's blast at GABP over the batter's eye building, in contrast, was a bullet. It was a line drive that just kept carrying. The best part of that was Steve Finley going back like he might have a play on the ball, and then just looking up and watching it disappear behind the batter's eye.

redsmetz
02-16-2012, 09:20 AM
While looking for something else, I happened to notice a list of Reds players who have hit for the cycle. I know it's a rare feat, but only six players have done it, with Eric Davis being the most recent in 1989.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/reds.shtml

(NOTE: my anti-virus program first claimed a threat was detected with that link, but I emailed baseball-almanac about it and he said he'd had certain programs coming up with that, but that other sites had given him a clean read - I just went to the page again & no threat was detected).

GADawg
02-16-2012, 10:18 AM
a few...

live...can't remember the year but the Pirates were in town and putting a beat down on our boys(seems like Tim Belcher had the bullseye on him that day for some reason) and Bonds hit a bases loaded triple with a 2 strike count and then the following inning laid out on the left field turf to steal extra bases at a very meaningless point in the game. Love him or hate him that made a very lasting impression on me.

a couple I didn't see in person but incredible nonetheless...Johnny homering on Johnny Bench night and the same for Cal Ripken as he broke the consecutive games streak.

tv....seeing Jake Taylor point to the bleachers and then dropping down a beautiful surprise bunt and beating out the throw on bad knees...get that run in anyway you can!!

_Sir_Charles_
02-16-2012, 12:53 PM
While looking for something else, I happened to notice a list of Reds players who have hit for the cycle. I know it's a rare feat, but only six players have done it, with Eric Davis being the most recent in 1989.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/reds.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/reds.shtml)

(NOTE: my anti-virus program first claimed a threat was detected with that link, but I emailed baseball-almanac about it and he said he'd had certain programs coming up with that, but that other sites had given him a clean read - I just went to the page again & no threat was detected).

For me, the one thing that stands out the most of everything on that page is this.



Cincinnati Reds Cy Young Winners

Year

Name

Position

None

n/a

n/a

For a franchise that has been around as long as Cincy has been, this is flat out shocking. I mean I've known it, this isn't new information to me or anything. But it's still mind-boggling that we've never had ONE. I'd love to see that change in the next year or so. :O)

MikeThierry
02-16-2012, 01:21 PM
Wow... you guys never had a Cy Young winner?

redsmetz
02-16-2012, 02:02 PM
Wow... you guys never had a Cy Young winner?

Nope. There were some seasons in the late 30's and early 40's where had the award existed, we likely would have. For example, Bucky Walters was the league MVP in 1939, my guess is he'd have won. We've had some fall short (others can fill in the details, I can't recall the specific seasons - I think Tom Seaver got overlooked one year, Danny Jackson another, IIRC). There have been a good handful of one-time Cy Young winners who've pitched for the Reds, but we've never had the winner be a Red. Maybe this year.

cumberlandreds
02-16-2012, 02:05 PM
Nope. There were some seasons in the late 30's and early 40's where had the award existed, we likely would have. For example, Bucky Walters was the league MVP in 1939, my guess is he'd have won. We've had some fall short (others can fill in the details, I can't recall the specific seasons - I think Tom Seaver got overlooked one year, Danny Jackson another, IIRC). There have been a good handful of one-time Cy Young winners who've pitched for the Reds, but we've never had the winner be a Red. Maybe this year.

I think Seaver was 2nd in the 1981 voting. Jackson was 2nd in the 1988 voting. Hershiser beat him out when he had that long scoreless streak. Maybe Cueto can do it this year.

edabbs44
02-16-2012, 10:10 PM
I am probably the only person on the East Coast who saw Bonds' 599th and 600th live.

Also saw Halladay's playoff no no against some team.

Almost forgot, saw Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS when they completed the historic NYY collapse.

15fan
02-17-2012, 02:44 AM
Live: Saw Anderson Machado score on his own bunt against the Braves.

Dan
02-17-2012, 11:32 AM
I think Seaver was 2nd in the 1981 voting. Jackson was 2nd in the 1988 voting. Hershiser beat him out when he had that long scoreless streak. Maybe Cueto can do it this year.

Yeah, the Cy Young race between Jackson and Hershiser was VERY close until Hershiser had his run.

Also, Soto finished 2nd in 1983 CY voting to a deserving John Denny.

_Sir_Charles_
02-17-2012, 12:11 PM
As for Cy Young Reds snubs....this one took the cake for me. I didn't expect him to WIN, but the way he was treated was absurd.


Aaron Harang was only the ninth pitcher since 1960 to lead the National League in both wins and strikeouts (it has occurred 12 times in baseball history). However, he did not receive any votes for the National League Cy Young Award (Brandon Webb won the award in 2006). All previous pitchers that led the National League in both categories have won the award.

Yep, he didn't get ANY votes. ZERO. That's beyond a joke.

MikeThierry
02-17-2012, 01:39 PM
As for Cy Young Reds snubs....this one took the cake for me. I didn't expect him to WIN, but the way he was treated was absurd.



Yep, he didn't get ANY votes. ZERO. That's beyond a joke.

While that may be bad, the worst vote in the history of bad votes is Marty Marion winning the 1944 MVP over Stan Musial. People want to debate that it's Mickey Cochrane over Gehrig but in that case, Mickey Cochrane not only had a spectacular offensive year as a catcher but was also was player manager who led his team to the playoffs. Gehrig still deserved that award that year but you could kind of see why voters voted for Cochrane. There is no logical argument for Marion. If you look at Marty Marion's stats, you wonder if the baseball writers were smoking something very potent in the 1944 vote. Just like Ted Williams, Stan Musial probably could have had more MVP's than he won.

_Sir_Charles_
02-17-2012, 02:38 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1944.shtml

Wow, that's got to be the worst stat line I've ever seen for an MVP winner. I'm not sure that Musial should've won it that year, but Marion certainly shouldn't have. A case could certainly be made for the Cubs' Bill Nicholson. Especially considering that during that era it was still all about Avg/Hr/Rbi stat lines.

I must say that Bucky Walter's numbers do jump out at me there too. :O)

MikeThierry
02-17-2012, 02:45 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1944.shtml

Wow, that's got to be the worst stat line I've ever seen for an MVP winner. I'm not sure that Musial should've won it that year, but Marion certainly shouldn't have. A case could certainly be made for the Cubs' Bill Nicholson. Especially considering that during that era it was still all about Avg/Hr/Rbi stat lines.

I must say that Bucky Walter's numbers do jump out at me there too. :O)

It is statistically the worst MVP line in the history of the MVP vote. Couldn't you imagine any every day player modern day getting a single MVP vote with a .686 OPS? Even if you go by the traditional voting standards, he doesn't even cut the muster. Hitting .267 was even bad at that time.