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Ohioballplayer
02-27-2012, 06:49 PM
Top 2014 MLB Free Agents

By Tim Dierkes [February 27 at 8:32am CST]

Extensions have a way of thinning the free agent herd. The latest star player off the board is Nationals third baseman Ryan Zimmerman, who was extended through at least 2019. Zimmerman had been slated to hit free agency after the 2013 season. The best players remaining in that far-off free agent class:

Corner Infielders
•Joey Votto, 1B
•David Wright, 3B (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Paul Konerko, 1B
•Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Michael Young, IF

Middle Infielders
•Robinson Cano, 2B (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Ian Kinsler, 2B (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
•Chase Utley, 2B

Corner Outfielders
•Hunter Pence, RF
•Michael Morse, LF
•Nelson Cruz, RF
•Alex Gordon, LF
•Shin-Soo Choo, RF
•Corey Hart, RF
•Carlos Beltran, RF

Center Fielders
•Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
•Curtis Granderson, CF (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Adam Jones, CF

Catchers
•Brian McCann (if 2013 club option is exercised)

Starting Pitchers
•Tim Lincecum
•Dan Haren
•Matt Garza
•Adam Wainwright (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Ubaldo Jimenez (if he voids 2014 option)
•Josh Johnson
•Ervin Santana (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Scott Baker (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Gavin Floyd (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Jair Jurrjens
•Tim Hudson (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Jason Vargas

Relievers
•Joel Hanrahan
•J.J. Putz (if 2013 club option is exercised)
•Brian Wilson

Other Players Of Note
•Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
•Phil Hughes, P
•Joba Chamberlain, RP
•Glen Perkins, RP
•Martin Prado, LF
•Ricky Nolasco, SP
•Carlos Marmol, RP
•Geovany Soto, C
•Tim Stauffer, SP
•Ted Lilly, SP

In the 2011-12 offseason, we saw five $100MM commitments to free agents, if you include Yu Darvish, who was subject to the posting system. For the 2013-2014 offseason, Votto, Cano, Pence, Ellsbury, Lincecum, and Haren are good candidates, should they continue to produce and reach free agency. Given that we're two full seasons away, a half-dozen others could enter the discussion if 2012 and '13 go well.

redsfanmia
02-27-2012, 07:49 PM
Not a chance, once the Reds fall out of contention this season they should start fielding offers.

mroby85
02-27-2012, 09:17 PM
He should be re-signed, its just speculation on whether he will be or not though. Based on following the Reds all of my young life, I would assume they'll do the wrong thing and let him go.

RedsfaninMT
02-27-2012, 10:48 PM
Not a chance, once the Reds fall out of contention this season they should start fielding offers.

So what do they do when they don't drop out of contention, but win the division instead?

nmculbreth
02-27-2012, 11:41 PM
So what do they do when they don't drop out of contention, but win the division instead?

Bat him third and ride him to a WS title?

Nathan
02-28-2012, 12:09 AM
Not a chance, once the Reds fall out of contention this season they should start fielding offers.

What brings out pessimism?

[deleted]
02-28-2012, 01:39 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/174279586849357824

I asked Joey Votto about his interest in playing for the #BlueJays as a free agent. Did not sense great enthusiasm on his part.

Interesting.

izzy's dad
02-28-2012, 07:11 AM
I am starting to think that Joey will stay with the Reds. Do I have any reasoning? No. Just my gut feeling.

Nathan
02-28-2012, 12:07 PM
;2540127']https://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/174279586849357824

I asked Joey Votto about his interest in playing for the #BlueJays as a free agent. Did not sense great enthusiasm on his part.

Interesting.

Did you read the article that goes with that twitter quote?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Joey-Votto-Cincinnati-Reds-NL-Central-contract-analysis-022712

joe51391
02-28-2012, 03:16 PM
Well if the Reds don't resign Votto I would take half the money it would take to sign him and turn it over to Youkilis I think he will go for around 4 year 50M

redsfanmia
02-28-2012, 03:58 PM
What brings out pessimism?

Reality, this team does not have the offense to win big. They strike out too much and are far too streaky to win multiple play off series.

Nathan
02-28-2012, 09:33 PM
Reality, this team does not have the offense to win big. They strike out too much and are far too streaky to win multiple play off series.

Then what do you expect from the offense? The offense really should be the least of the problems. They were among the best last year, and I don't expect that to change this year.

There were teams that struck out more than the Reds did last year. You do know this, right? Strikeouts are not the end of the world.

No team is as consistent as you would think, probably.

Ohioballplayer
02-29-2012, 02:42 PM
He should be re-signed, its just speculation on whether he will be or not though. Based on following the Reds all of my young life, I would assume they'll do the wrong thing and let him go.


I don't think it is the wrong thing to let him go, the money he is going to demand is big market money, not a small market team like our Reds. We need him to have another MONSTER year and get all we can for him, it's sad that baseball is a business, but it is what it is.

Birdman007
02-29-2012, 05:15 PM
No way we have enough money to hold on to him. Call me crazy but I was in favor of trading him this past off season to stock up talent in the minors while letting Yonder play first base.

redsfanmia
02-29-2012, 05:19 PM
No way we have enough money to hold on to him. Call me crazy but I was in favor of trading him this past off season to stock up talent in the minors while letting Yonder play first base.

Alonso at first plus the haul we would have got for Votto makes this team much better

Jamz
02-29-2012, 09:44 PM
We still have potential to win the WS over the next two years with Votto, but if it doesn't look like it's going to pan out this year (or maybe we win the WS this year) I wouldn't mind cashing in on his market value to improve the team. Soto is promising, and even if he doesn't pan out completely the kind of return a guy like Votto would get is out of this world.

It's conflicting because Votto is clearly the best batter on the team and we could use him for the long term...but I'm afraid that we just don't have the money to hold onto him and I would hate to not maximize the value of our assets. However, I'm also a traditionalist in that I believe in the heart of the team and it would pain me to let go of a fan favorite player who contributes so much to the team.

DirtyBaker
03-03-2012, 11:11 PM
The window is open 2 full years. If the Reds fall out of contention NEXT season they should start fielding offers.

10xWSChamps
03-04-2012, 02:39 AM
;2540127']https://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/174279586849357824

I asked Joey Votto about his interest in playing for the #BlueJays as a free agent. Did not sense great enthusiasm on his part.

Interesting.

Am I missing something? Why WOULD Votto want to play for the Blue Jays? That has to be one of the least desirable destinations. Also the Blue Jays aren't really known for throwing cash around.

10xWSChamps
03-04-2012, 02:54 AM
Unfortunately for the Reds and fortunately for Votto, he's going to be just 30 years old for pretty much the entire 2014 season. Albert Pujols is going to be 32 for the 2012 season and he still got nearly 250M

Votto isn't quite the player Pujols is/was (I think he'll be better then Albert starting this year or in 2013), but he's going to be worth more and be a better player over the length of his "last" contract then Pujols will be in his.

Does anyone have a payroll projection for the Reds in 2014? Who else is signed for the long term right now? Who's coming off the books in the next 1-3 years? What kind of an owner do you guys have?

My gut is that Votto will not be a Red in 3 years. The NLC will have gone from a 1B powerhouse division to a sort of a 1B wasteland in a few years...