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texasdave
03-06-2012, 04:09 PM
Major League Baseball has expanded its pool of postseason teams to 10 -- up from four just 19 years ago -- and next year will re-align into 15-team leagues that make for at least one interleague series all season long. But the biggest change of all may be around the next corner: the end of baseball as it was originally designed."I would be shocked if 10 years from now there's not a DH in both leagues," said one influential baseball source.


http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/03/06/designated.hitter.national.league/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

drowg14
03-06-2012, 04:17 PM
/quit

Tadasimha
03-06-2012, 04:32 PM
Knew that it was coming within 5 to 10 years when MLB announced in 2010 that the All Star Game was going to have the DH from then on whether the game was in an NL park or AL park.

In 2013 all the interleague games will be played with the DH, then a few years after that all the playoff games in both leagues will have the DH and then a couple of years after that the NL will play with the DH for the regular season.

[deleted]
03-06-2012, 06:16 PM
With Houston moving to the AL, it's inevitable, really. With season long interleague play, you simply can't be flipping between two sets of rules between each series. I love NL baseball and the intricacies therein, but it's worth remembering a few things: the DH has existed for, what, 30 years now? It's not exactly new-age, and basically every level of professional ball outside of the National League uses it. I think half of why people are opposed to it is tradition, but with the countless other ways the game has changed in the last hundred years I don't see it as too much of an issue.

Don't get me wrong, if I could choose between 'everyone has a DH' or 'no DH at all,' I would go with the latter. I get sentimental about it too, and fall into that "the NL is the last vanguard of baseball purity" mindset as well. But losing the designated hitter will never happen, and something has to be done to create a uniform set of rules moving forward.

Larry Schuler
03-06-2012, 06:39 PM
In 2020, the AL will get rid of the 9 batter lineup and institute a 3 man masher crew, which will take turns attempting to hit painted targets in the field with varying points written on them. The first team to 1,200 masher points wins the inning and no one will ever have to field or run the bases ever again.

texasdave
03-06-2012, 06:41 PM
The DH began in 1973. Baseball has survived just fine for nearly 40 years with two different sets of rules. My feeling is if you can't flip between two sets of rules between series, and honestly it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine if the DH is going to be used or not, then simply do away with inter-league play. I will bet that if they just polled fans of cities with NL teams on this issue, that the majority would not favor adoption of the DH. I would think that would matter but in the end the DH is probably going to be shoved down our throats.

DGullett35
03-06-2012, 06:58 PM
Personally i would like to see the DH removed from the A.L. so both leagues have the same set of rules. However if they want to use the DH in both leagues the sooner they enact it the better.

nmculbreth
03-06-2012, 07:10 PM
Personally i would like to see the DH removed from the A.L. so both leagues have the same set of rules. However if they want to use the DH in both leagues the sooner they enact it the better.

Unfortunately it's one of those situations where the economics of baseball make abolishing the DH nearly impossible. I just can't see any scenario where the union would be okay with eliminating 14 starting positions, particularly when you've got a number of teams (Detroit comes to mind) that have made financial decisions based on the understanding that there would be a DH slot to put an aging slugger that can no longer play the field.

I prefer NL baseball but I can see the virtue of having a place to play the Yonder Alonso's of the world...

Nathan
03-06-2012, 10:37 PM
I prefer NL baseball but I can see the virtue of having a place to play the Yonder Alonso's of the world...

And if the NL league had a DH, than there'd been no reason to trade Alonso.

texasdave
03-06-2012, 10:50 PM
And if the NL league had a DH, than there'd been no reason to trade Alonso.

Of course if you don't trade Alonso you probably don't have Mat Latos.

DirtyBaker
03-06-2012, 11:26 PM
DH just takes too much strategy out of the game, and for a sport as slow as baseball, playing armchair manager is what makes the game engaging. I can think of many other innovations that need addressed much sooner such as realignment or expansion of instant replay. Let the home team decide before we do away with it completely, but I'd much prefer to leave the entire NL alone or abandon the DH altogether.

OGB
03-07-2012, 12:16 AM
DH just takes too much strategy out of the game, and for a sport as slow as baseball, playing armchair manager is what makes the game engaging. I can think of many other innovations that need addressed much sooner such as realignment or expansion of instant replay. Let the home team decide before we do away with it completely, but I'd much prefer to leave the entire NL alone or abandon the DH altogether.

I agree 100%. There is zero subtlety to American League baseball when yyou compare the two.

joshua
03-07-2012, 01:13 AM
I hate the DH...but this will allow NL teams to bid as outrageously for their sluggers as AL teams do, since they can also park them on the bench when they get so old they can't move. AL teams don't take nearly the gamble NL teams do when they acquire big hitters.

jwmann2
03-07-2012, 03:00 AM
I thought 15 teams meant more interleague play? That's what the Baseball Tonight crew was saying.

brad1176
03-07-2012, 07:29 AM
I've got some wild speculation for you. MLB puts the DH in the NL, has interleague play all season. If/when it happens, would there be any reason to have an NL and AL? Couldn't there be just one league, top 10 records at the end of the season get playoff spots?

Magdal
03-07-2012, 09:54 AM
It ain't broke, don't fix! leave it like it is. So WHAT if they have to play different from series to series??? So when the DH is on the manager can take a snooze 'till the 9th inning.

The DH is bullcrap, and an afront to the history of the game. Don't expand it...just leave it as it is.

lidspinner
03-07-2012, 10:14 AM
what i dont understand is that if we are wanting to change purely because you cant be switching between 2 sets of rules every other series then why not do away with the DH all together? it sure dont bother people to act as if adding the DH will help, why not look at it from the other view point....deleting the DH should help us all play by the same rules, there is no sense in haivng a DH, if you cant play in the field then you should not be able to use the bat......that simple.

how soon before little league starts letting another kid bat for the pitcher? how soon before we start drafting players based on just hitting and force them to DH? how soon until contracts start stating that said player is only allowed to DH so he wont get hurt? DH is the dumbest thing in sports, if you want to have an extra hitter then add 10 spots to the lineup but if you play the field then you must bat. simple as that.

Girevik
03-07-2012, 10:23 AM
I loathe the DH, but I think having it in both leagues in inevitable. In fact, I'm surprised the union hasn't insisted upon it by now.

It will be a sad day when that happens, but baseball will survive.

Tadasimha
03-07-2012, 01:04 PM
I've got some wild speculation for you. MLB puts the DH in the NL, has interleague play all season. If/when it happens, would there be any reason to have an NL and AL? Couldn't there be just one league, top 10 records at the end of the season get playoff spots?

There already is just one league (MLB) - the AL and NL are already like the AFC and NFC in football. Not seperate leagues anymore, the only real difference is the DH. Having the contstant interleague play (which I don't mind so long as it's spread out over the season since it won't take away from the NL or AL races as much) and eventually the DH will just codify what is really a de facto reality.

I'm no fan of the DH - the only reason pitchers don't hit for a semi-decent average is that they never get the chance to hit in the cage and actually work on their hitting. If they took BP like the rest of the team, they'd all be much better hitters - at least up to catcher average.

The DH is eventually going to be in the NL and while it will end an era of baseball (and it will be a sad end, imho), the game itself will continue on.

improbus
03-07-2012, 05:49 PM
My cousin pitched in the bigs and he had to hit even though he hadn't hit since middle school. I want to see the best be their best, not the hitting equivalent of me enter the batters box. As I think has already been stated, perhaps the DH would also help to attract big name free agent bats to the NL instead of watching them constantly move to the AL.

NCCardfan
03-07-2012, 10:05 PM
I'll start off with stating that I abhore the 'Dumb Hitter' in baseball. It truly is dumb.

However, I also feel that with top level SP's getting $15M+ these days it's hard to think about not wanting to protect them somewhat. The A.J. Burnett eye injury may prove to be the nail in the coffin that speeds up the DH showing up in the NL.

My thought is a compromise:

The DH hits for your starting pitcher. When your starter is pulled, your DH either goes in the field via double switch or he's done at that moment. Relief pitchers only bat a handful of times during the season anyway so it keeps the strategy that DirtyBaker was talking about. The AL will not allow the DH to go away and this keeps the chess game in baseball.

joshua
03-07-2012, 10:32 PM
I'm no fan of the DH - the only reason pitchers don't hit for a semi-decent average is that they never get the chance to hit in the cage and actually work on their hitting. If they took BP like the rest of the team, they'd all be much better hitters - at least up to catcher average.

The reasons pitchers don't hit for a decent average is because if you have a kid that can throw a good fastball and maybe a curve ball as a freshman in high school, but can also hit .300+, are you going to want him playing every day or not? Kind of the same reason there aren't left handed catchers...if you have a lefty with the arm strength to throw out people at second, you're going to want him on the mound not behind the plate.

bounty37h
03-08-2012, 10:14 AM
There was a decent article in a recent ESPN Mag, talking about its a wasted spot and basically a failed concept, teams dont/wont develop DH's, just stick an aged bat in there.

Magdal
03-08-2012, 12:00 PM
I'll start off with stating that I abhore the 'Dumb Hitter' in baseball. It truly is dumb.

However, I also feel that with top level SP's getting $15M+ these days it's hard to think about not wanting to protect them somewhat. The A.J. Burnett eye injury may prove to be the nail in the coffin that speeds up the DH showing up in the NL.

My thought is a compromise:

The DH hits for your starting pitcher. When your starter is pulled, your DH either goes in the field via double switch or he's done at that moment. Relief pitchers only bat a handful of times during the season anyway so it keeps the strategy that DirtyBaker was talking about. The AL will not allow the DH to go away and this keeps the chess game in baseball.Wow! I think that is a terrific idea! And doable too...somebody contact Selig! Twitter him or something! (I can't believe I never thot of it):clap:

NCCardfan
03-08-2012, 07:20 PM
Wow! I think that is a terrific idea! And doable too...somebody contact Selig! Twitter him or something! (I can't believe I never thot of it):clap:

It took a while to think of a fair way. Too bad it'll never come to fruition, here's 2 reasons why:

1 - It makes sense.
2 - It's the right thing to do.

The real reason is this:
It doesn't give the Brewers an advantage. Bud will never go with it.

mroby85
03-09-2012, 05:08 AM
I don't care what they do, I would just like both leagues to be the same. I would prefer no DH, but as long as theyre the same, it doesn't really matter to me. I just think it's dumb to plan around something like that the entire season and then not be able to use what you built your team for in the world series.

mu4103
03-10-2012, 12:59 AM
Bud Selig reminds me of why I am so excited to go to heaven.

Magdal
03-10-2012, 08:07 AM
Bud Selig reminds me of why I am so excited to go to heaven.What if he ends up the Commish up there?

improbus
03-10-2012, 08:53 AM
What is funny about this particular forum is that no NL team over the last 15 years would have benefitted more than the DH than the Reds. It seems like every season we have had a vet who needed some rest (Junior, Aurilia, Rolen, etc...), a defensive liability with a good bat (Lopez, Dunn, 2009 Gomes), or a young guy who needs some ABs (Yonder, Wily Mo, etc...)

Magdal
03-10-2012, 08:58 AM
What is funny about this particular forum is that no NL team over the last 15 years would have benefitted more than the DH than the Reds. It seems like every season we have had a vet who needed some rest (Junior, Aurilia, Rolen, etc...), a defensive liability with a good bat (Lopez, Dunn, 2009 Gomes), or a young guy who needs some ABs (Yonder, Wily Mo, etc...)Oh, I don't know...the Cards had an extra outfielder in Craig, who is a masher that would have been a hulluve DH. Just sayin'

jwmann2
03-19-2012, 10:23 PM
I've got some wild speculation for you. MLB puts the DH in the NL, has interleague play all season. If/when it happens, would there be any reason to have an NL and AL? Couldn't there be just one league, top 10 records at the end of the season get playoff spots?

Then it becomes a matter of strength of schedule. No everyone will play everyone. I like the way they have it now. It's cool when American League teams come to Cincinnati, we're not used to seeing them.