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cinreds21
03-16-2012, 10:34 AM
Sad.



Phillies released LHP Dontrelle Willis.
We were rooting for Willis to find a niche as a left-handed specialist, but he dealt with "dead arm" issues and held a 16.87 ERA in three outings this spring. At least the Phillies did him somewhat of a favor by cutting him this early in camp. He should be able to find someone willing to give him a shot on a minor league deal. Willis held left-handed hitters to a .127 batting average in 2011 with the Reds.

Dan
03-16-2012, 10:47 AM
I'd love for the Reds to have him in their back pocket at AAA. He's not the one I would call up to replace a starter long-term, but a spot start here or there while taking regular turns at AAA seems to be his ideal niche.

SirFelixCat
03-16-2012, 10:54 AM
I'd love for the Reds to have him in their back pocket at AAA. He's not the one I would call up to replace a starter long-term, but a spot start here or there while taking regular turns at AAA seems to be his ideal niche.

Completely agree. Nothing risked if signed to a minor-league deal and you'd think he'd be interested in coming back right?

muddie
03-16-2012, 10:56 AM
Where is Ted Power when you need him?

bucksfan2
03-16-2012, 11:15 AM
Willis is the classic case of people wanting him to succeed. He is a likeable guy who had flashes of brilliance in his past. But when organization after organization lets him go I think the writing is on the wall for D-Train.

Sea Ray
03-16-2012, 11:22 AM
I think Dontrelle is a very good guy and I was really rooting for him last year but in the end he couldn't help the team out enough to warrant one of our precious 25 man roster spots. I see a role for him in Sept on an expanded roster but that's it. Sad but true

westofyou
03-16-2012, 12:24 PM
Fork em

Done

cumberlandreds
03-16-2012, 12:40 PM
It would be a long shot but maybe he's better off going back to the minors and seeing if he could pull off a Rick Ankeil. He could hit a fastball.

dougdirt
03-16-2012, 12:45 PM
I still think, assuming he is healthy, someone needs to use him as a loogy.

mace
03-16-2012, 02:40 PM
I still think, assuming he is healthy, someone needs to use him as a loogy.

This. It seems so obvious. And with Bray questionable . . .

Vottomatic
03-16-2012, 02:46 PM
I sign him to a minor league deal and stick him left field everyday. See if he can hit consistently.

Dude is one heck of an athlete.

Also use him as a LOOGY in triple A. See where he fits in. The Ankiel comparison might be the truth.

westofyou
03-16-2012, 03:10 PM
I sign him to a minor league deal and stick him left field everyday. See if he can hit consistently.

Dude is one heck of an athlete.

Also use him as a LOOGY in triple A. See where he fits in. The Ankiel comparison might be the truth.



Small sample alert.

He had 31 ab's last year and he did indeed do amazingly well, but career wise he was way over his median

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/5470/type/batting/dontrelle-willis

All swing worked for him, no walks and challenged at every AB (only going to a 3 ball count once)

I bet Bruce wishes he'd get challenged like that

Crumbley
03-16-2012, 06:11 PM
Five straight miserable seasons, I don't see what the point would be in bringing him back.

dougdirt
03-16-2012, 06:18 PM
Five straight miserable seasons, I don't see what the point would be in bringing him back.

If used correctly, he can probably be pretty good.

Here are his numbers against LHH:
2011: .127/.169/.200
2010: .216/.298/.284

If he is used as a loogy, he can absolutely help someone, assuming he is healthy and able to replicate that. On a minor league deal, I wouldn't mind seeing him brought in, sent to Louisville and called up as insurance for Bray if he can't go at some point during the season. Just don't let him face righties unless its a blow out.

traderumor
03-16-2012, 10:16 PM
If used correctly, he can probably be pretty good.

Here are his numbers against LHH:
2011: .127/.169/.200
2010: .216/.298/.284

If he is used as a loogy, he can absolutely help someone, assuming he is healthy and able to replicate that. On a minor league deal, I wouldn't mind seeing him brought in, sent to Louisville and called up as insurance for Bray if he can't go at some point during the season. Just don't let him face righties unless its a blow out.While he may have value for someone as a LOOGY, Bray is not a LOOGY and Dusty doesn't seem to care about having one in his bullpen. Massett and Bray both have had some reverse tendencies, and in 2010 Rhodes rarely faced one batter and also had reverse tendencies.

dougdirt
03-16-2012, 10:32 PM
While he may have value for someone as a LOOGY, Bray is not a LOOGY and Dusty doesn't seem to care about having one in his bullpen. Massett and Bray both have had some reverse tendencies, and in 2010 Rhodes rarely faced one batter and also had reverse tendencies.

Sure, but I am sure that there is a team out there who could use and would use a loogy and if so, then that team should be calling the agent of Willis right now.

And while Bray may not be a loogy, or used like one, when he is out, Dusty/Walt have gone to a lefty in his place.

Team Clark
03-16-2012, 11:54 PM
Reports are that he's hurt. He pitched hurt and did not disclose it. Apparently a factor in his release.

traderumor
03-17-2012, 11:32 AM
Sure, but I am sure that there is a team out there who could use and would use a loogy and if so, then that team should be calling the agent of Willis right now.

And while Bray may not be a loogy, or used like one, when he is out, Dusty/Walt have gone to a lefty in his place.
Except you have posited that Willis would be a good LOOGY option for the Reds if Bray got hurt, not merely a lefty. You don't want him to pitch to righties. That isn't a fit for Dusty's bullpen pecking order. Anyhow, he's apparently injured. Looks like he better be figuring life after baseball.

Sea Ray
03-17-2012, 11:54 AM
While he may have value for someone as a LOOGY, Bray is not a LOOGY and Dusty doesn't seem to care about having one in his bullpen. Massett and Bray both have had some reverse tendencies, and in 2010 Rhodes rarely faced one batter and also had reverse tendencies.

Exactly. Dusty is not LaRussa. He doesn't generally just use pitchers for one batter. I don't think a pure LOOGY works here in Cin

TOBTTReds
03-18-2012, 11:27 AM
Exactly. Dusty is not LaRussa. He doesn't generally just use pitchers for one batter. I don't think a pure LOOGY works here in Cin

On the contrary, Bill Bray was 6th in fewest batters faced per game for pitchers with 30 games. He was in 79 games, and only faced 196 batters (2.48 BF/G).

Sure he faced 94 RH'ers, but I know many of those were because there was a lefty on the other side of that batter. He's pretty close to a loogy. But as he continues to develop his changeup (last year was the first time he ever threw the pitch in a game at any level!), he will hopefully continue to improve vs. RHH and face more than 2 batters a game.

traderumor
03-18-2012, 06:07 PM
On the contrary, Bill Bray was 6th in fewest batters faced per game for pitchers with 30 games. He was in 79 games, and only faced 196 batters (2.48 BF/G).

Sure he faced 94 RH'ers, but I know many of those were because there was a lefty on the other side of that batter. He's pretty close to a loogy. But as he continues to develop his changeup (last year was the first time he ever threw the pitch in a game at any level!), he will hopefully continue to improve vs. RHH and face more than 2 batters a game.You know? How? Bray was a short reliever, a bridge guy to get to the setup. I would say hand of the batter was incidental. A LOOGY primarily to face the other team's best lefty that will unlikely be lifted for a pinch hitter. That does not describe Bray or any other recent Reds reliever. Herrera was given a brief audition as one and proved not worthy.

Sea Ray
03-18-2012, 06:27 PM
On the contrary, Bill Bray was 6th in fewest batters faced per game for pitchers with 30 games. He was in 79 games, and only faced 196 batters (2.48 BF/G).

Sure he faced 94 RH'ers, but I know many of those were because there was a lefty on the other side of that batter. He's pretty close to a loogy. But as he continues to develop his changeup (last year was the first time he ever threw the pitch in a game at any level!), he will hopefully continue to improve vs. RHH and face more than 2 batters a game.

OK, look at it this way. Half of the hitters Bray faced were RH. Do you want to bring in the D-Train to fill that role? I vote no

TOBTTReds
03-18-2012, 09:22 PM
OK, look at it this way. Half of the hitters Bray faced were RH. Do you want to bring in the D-Train to fill that role? I vote no

I guess I don't know my other options (assuming you mean Bray is unavailable at start of season or whatever the scenario).

RedsManRick
03-18-2012, 10:00 PM
I guess I don't know my other options (assuming you mean Bray is unavailable at start of season or whatever the scenario).

Assuming it's a guy on the 40 man, there are no other lefties besides Chapman. From the right, you've got: Jordan Smith, Andrew Brackman, Josh Judy, Pedro Villareal, Kyle Lotzkar -- in that order if I had to guess. The team is certainly light on lefties.

TOBTTReds
03-19-2012, 09:51 PM
Assuming it's a guy on the 40 man, there are no other lefties besides Chapman. From the right, you've got: Jordan Smith, Andrew Brackman, Josh Judy, Pedro Villareal, Kyle Lotzkar -- in that order if I had to guess. The team is certainly light on lefties.

Right, therefore I don't think it would hurt to have an extra just in case.

Reds1
03-21-2012, 09:38 AM
I thought he pitched very well last year. With our lacking of pitching depth I would expect the Reds would stash him in AAA and give him another shot.

_Sir_Charles_
03-21-2012, 11:35 AM
I'm pretty sure I saw that the O's just signed him to a contract. So Willis is again unavailable.

HeatherC1212
03-21-2012, 12:27 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw that the O's just signed him to a contract. So Willis is again unavailable.

They definitely did and he's all ready reported to the O's camp in Florida according to the Orioles beat writers on Twitter. Good luck to Dontrelle! :)