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MikeThierry
03-26-2012, 06:32 PM
We are about a week away from opening day and most rosters are finalized. What is everyone's predictions for the NL Central this year?

Mine are:

Cardinals 91 wins
Reds 89 wins
Brewers 85 wins
Pirates 80 wins
Cubs 72 wins
Astros 70 wins

RedsManRick
03-26-2012, 06:35 PM
Reds: 89
Cards: 87
Brewers: 85
Pirates: 72
Cubs:71
Astros: 62

Edd Roush
03-26-2012, 06:53 PM
Reds: 90 wins
Cards: 88 wins
Brewers: 87 wins
Pirates: 77 wins
Cubs: 73 wins
Astros: 62 wins

The Operator
03-26-2012, 07:09 PM
Reds 93 wins
Cards 91 wins (one of 2 WC)
Brewers 80 wins
Pirates 78 wins
Cubs 65 wins
Astros 59 wins

I will also predict that this year we will see our favorite son Chris Carpenter star in a commercial similar to a few we have seen in the past: "My name is Chris Carpenter. I can throw a baseball 95 mph. I have two world series rings. I beat Roy Halladay 1-0 in the playoffs. ...and I take Viagra."

Strikes Out Looking
03-26-2012, 07:35 PM
Reds 92 wins
Pirates 83 wins -- in the WC hunt
Cardinals 81 wins -- they will miss the Genius more than they know
Brewers 77 wins -- Ryan Braun falters without the Fat Prince to protect him in the lineup
Cubs 70 wins -- full rebuild
Astros 65 wins -- awful

vaticanplum
03-26-2012, 07:50 PM
Are we talking about the same Pirates whose Opening Day starter is Erik Bedard? Whose rotation is filled out by, among others, the 2011-lucky Jeff Karstens and the one-eyed AJ Burnett?

klw
03-26-2012, 08:00 PM
Reds 162-0
Brewers 84-78
Pirates 80-82
Astros 62-100
Cards 0-144
Cubs 0-144

All Cubs/ Cardinals games are snowed out- even those in July August and are not replayed as they are deemed meaningless to the playoff chase.
I may have to review this and make a more realistic pick later.

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Cardinals 91 wins
Milwaukee 90 wins
Cincinnati 85 wins
Chicago 80 wins
Pittsburgh 77 wins
Houston 61 wins

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2012, 08:03 PM
double post

Tony Cloninger
03-26-2012, 08:24 PM
Cardinals 91 wins
Milwaukee 90 wins
Cincinnati 85 wins
Chicago 80 wins
Pittsburgh 77 wins
Houston 61 wins


Blasphemy! Houston will not win 60!

mth123
03-26-2012, 08:41 PM
Reds 92 (Pitching Staff among top 5, Ludwick hits 25 HR to complement middle of the order)
Brewers 89 (Ramirez/Gamel outproduce 2011 Prince/McGeehee, but Marcum's shoulder blows up and leaves the staff short)
Cardinals 88 (They miss Carpenter more than Pujols)
Pirates 73 (Andrew McCutchen is all they've got)
Cubs 68 (Really awful team...)
Astros 63 (...even worse)

reds1869
03-26-2012, 08:53 PM
Reds: 90
Cards: 88 (until they prove they will lose I say they win)
Brewers: 83
Pirates: 75
Cubs:70
Astros: 59 (hey, you win a certain number just by stepping on the field)

WVRedsFan
03-26-2012, 11:45 PM
The Cardinals will be better than you think and will battle the Reds all year long. I see it as:

Reds - 90
Cards - 88
Brewers - 84
Pirates - 81
Cubs - 71
Astros - 61

OnBaseMachine
03-27-2012, 01:08 AM
Reds - 91
Cardinals - 88
Brewers - 87
Pirates - 78
Cubs - 74
Astros - 60

*BaseClogger*
03-27-2012, 01:53 AM
Brewers: 89 wins
Cardinals: 87 wins (WC)
Reds: 85 wins
Pirates: 78 wins
Cubs: 70 wins
Astros: 60 wins

AtomicDumpling
03-27-2012, 04:52 AM
Brewers 91 wins
Cardinals 86 wins
Reds 83 wins
Cubs 73 wins
Pirates 72 wins
Astros 59 wins

GAC
03-27-2012, 05:27 AM
Are we talking about the same Pirates whose Opening Day starter is Erik Bedard? Whose rotation is filled out by, among others, the 2011-lucky Jeff Karstens and the one-eyed AJ Burnett?

I'm with you there girl! :thumbup:

GoReds
03-27-2012, 07:25 AM
Brewers: 92-70
Reds: 82-80
Pirates: 81-81
Cardinals: 78-84
Cubs: 76-86
Astros: 68-94

The NL Central is moving from a hitting division to more of a focus on pitching. To that end, the Brewers now stand above the Reds and Cardinals. I see nothing in the Reds pitching staff to make me believe we are about to see something special. On the contrary, I believe this is a year they take a step back. The hitting is about the same, with Rolen playing a limited role and LF being less productive than last year. Although I feel better about Bruce overall, Stubbs doesn't strike me as a player ready to take the next step.

The Cardinals are going to be bad this year.

cumberlandreds
03-27-2012, 08:31 AM
Reds 90
Brewers 85
Cardinals 81
Pirates 75
Cubs 68
Astros 54

The Reds have improved themselves more than anyone even considering the loss of Madson. If the starting pitching is healthy and good all season they should win this division.
The Brewers and Braun in particular will miss Fielder. They have the pitching though to be right there.
The Cards have had an awful off season that has extended into the spring. Losing Pujols is huge. Also losing LaRussa and Duncan is equally huge. Now Carpenter is iffy for a while and who knows how long he will be out. IMO the Cards used up all of their good karma last October.
The Pirates are about the same as last year. I expect their starting pitching may be off from last season and I don't think they improved themselves much at all anywhere else.
Cubs in a total rebuild. They could really fall off the table and contend with the Astros for last place.
The Astros will be just God awful. If they lose less than 100 games they should hold a parade in Houston for them.

cumberlandreds
03-27-2012, 08:32 AM
NM double posted for some reason. Please delete.

Caveat Emperor
03-27-2012, 08:42 AM
Blasphemy! Houston will not win 60!

Houston's a much better bet to hit 60 than the Reds are to hit 90, IMO.

WildcatFan
03-27-2012, 09:47 AM
Milwaukee 91
Cincinnati 87
St. Louis 83
Pittsburgh 80
Chicago 72
Houston 62

Homer Bailey
03-27-2012, 10:21 AM
Cincinnati 91
Milwaukee 87
St. Louis 85
Pittsburgh 73
Chicago 72
Houston 59

bucksfan2
03-27-2012, 11:01 AM
Reds 90 - Best overall team in the Central with the best player.

Brewers 86 - Solid rotation with a nice back end to the pen. Loss of Fielder could really hurt Braun.

Cards 83 - WS hangover with too many innings on Carpenter and Garcia last year. Rumor is a record amount of duct tape and bubble gum has been ordered in order to keep the old farts playing.

Pirates 80 - It would only be right for them to be under .500

Astros 63 - One of the worst teams in baseball. Who is on their team anyway?

Cubs 0 - One can dream, right? They may be slightly better than expected, but not by much.

cincrazy
03-27-2012, 11:23 AM
St. Louis- 91 wins
Cincinnati- 87 wins
Milwaukee- 84 wins
Pittsburgh- 77 wins
Chicago- 73 wins
Houston- 62 wins

The Reds are in it until the last week or two. But after Cueto and Latos, the starting pitching falters, and it dooms the Reds season.

_Sir_Charles_
03-27-2012, 11:40 AM
Reds 102-60
Brewers 82-80
Pirates 82-80
Cubs 77-85
Cardinals 76-86
Astros 51-111

Reds with the best record in the NL, Tigers win one more in the AL.
Brewers deal with multiple injuries to pitchers, lack of depth kills them
Pirates finally break the drought. Young pitchers come up and produce.
Cubs offense improves dramatically, pitching decimates them.
Cards age finally catches up to them as does lack of pitching depth
Houston...other than Wandy & Carlos Lee...how many Astros can YOU name? They'll be pushing historically bad.

_Sir_Charles_
03-27-2012, 11:40 AM
double post.

Joseph
03-27-2012, 11:59 AM
Reds 89W
Cardinals 88
Brewers 86
Pirates 81
Cubs 71
Astros 53

traderumor
03-27-2012, 12:04 PM
Reds 94-68
Brewers 85-77
Cardinals 84-78
Pirates 75-87
Cubs 64-98
Lastros 63-99

OldRightHander
03-27-2012, 01:19 PM
Houston...other than Wandy & Carlos Lee...how many Astros can YOU name? They'll be pushing historically bad.

I wonder if this might be the year Milo Hamilton stops referring to the team as "we" during broadcasts.

_Sir_Charles_
03-27-2012, 01:46 PM
I wonder if this might be the year Milo Hamilton stops referring to the team as "we" during broadcasts.

I actually feel bad for Milo. He gets THIS team for his swan song. He's retiring after this season. Man, that is NOT what I'd want heading into retirement.

1990REDS
03-27-2012, 05:07 PM
Cardinals 90 wins
Brewers 85 wins
Reds 81 wins
Pirates 79 wins
Cubs 70 wins
Astros 60 wins

AmarilloRed
03-27-2012, 05:15 PM
Reds 88
Brewers 86
Cardinals 84
Pirates 80
Cubs 75
Astros 70

MikeThierry
03-29-2012, 12:25 PM
I actually had the Reds winning the division until the Madson injury. I think they went from a 90+ winning team to a 85-88 win team with that injury. Last year with the Cards has jaded me about instability in the closer position. This was a gaping hole for the Cards until Motte took the reigns last season. Too many blown saves in the beginning of the year made them fighting for their lives towards the end. I think the Reds will eventually get that stabilized but I can see a lot of blown saves earlier in the season. That single thing could be the huge factor in who will be the division champ.

Caveat Emperor
03-29-2012, 12:30 PM
I actually had the Reds winning the division until the Madson injury. I think they went from a 90+ winning team to a 85-88 win team with that injury. Last year with the Cards has jaded me about instability in the closer position. This was a gaping hole for the Cards until Motte took the reigns last season. Too many blown saves in the beginning of the year made them fighting for their lives towards the end. I think the Reds will eventually get that stabilized but I can see a lot of blown saves earlier in the season. That single thing could be the huge factor in who will be the division champ.

Agree completely. Frankly, I don't see anyone on this Reds team with the "closers" mentality & stuff to do the job. I know that's a feeling thing and not something you can base on statistical evidence, but Marshall just doesn't have the look. Hope I'm wrong.

Homer Bailey
03-29-2012, 12:30 PM
I actually had the Reds winning the division until the Madson injury. I think they went from a 90+ winning team to a 85-88 win team with that injury. Last year with the Cards has jaded me about instability in the closer position. This was a gaping hole for the Cards until Motte took the reigns last season. Too many blown saves in the beginning of the year made them fighting for their lives towards the end. I think the Reds will eventually get that stabilized but I can see a lot of blown saves earlier in the season. That single thing could be the huge factor in who will be the division champ.

So you have Madson as a > 5 WAR pitcher? Wow.

Caveat Emperor
03-29-2012, 12:32 PM
So you have Madson as a > 5 WAR pitcher? Wow.

There's definitely a trickle down -- Marshall might be a X value player in the setup role, but he's potentially of diminished effectiveness in his new role. So you're not only losing Madson's value, you're losing the optimal value a player like Marshall may provide.

MikeThierry
03-29-2012, 12:45 PM
There's definitely a trickle down -- Marshall might be a X value player in the setup role, but he's potentially of diminished effectiveness in his new role. So you're not only losing Madson's value, you're losing the optimal value a player like Marshall may provide.

Exactly. I can only use the Cards from last season as an example. Franklin basically couldn't get my grandmother out and they had to bring up players to take not only his place but the place of the setup guys behind him. Salas was ok as a closer for the Cards but he was clearly not ready to be the guy. Its going to be interesting to see how the Reds are able to work their way around this issue. No, Madson isn't a 5 WAR player and very few, if any, relievers are. However blown saves will eventually add up towards the end of the season.

Reds/Flyers Fan
03-29-2012, 12:52 PM
Brewers 92
Cardinals 84
Reds 80
Cubs 73
Pirates 71
Astros 60

NL East - Braves
NL West - Giants
NL Wild card - Phillies

traderumor
03-29-2012, 08:54 PM
There's definitely a trickle down -- Marshall might be a X value player in the setup role, but he's potentially of diminished effectiveness in his new role. So you're not only losing Madson's value, you're losing the optimal value a player like Marshall may provide.Or he could be more valuable than he was as an 8th inning guy? Two sides to that coin.

Ghosts of 1990
03-29-2012, 10:09 PM
We're winning this thing. We ARE winning this thing.

Reds 93 wins
Cardinals 89 Wins
Brewers 84 wins
Cubs 79 wins
Pirates 77 wins
Astros 69 wins