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DGullett35
04-02-2012, 05:28 AM
With the desicion to be made tonight and announced in the morning what do you guys think the 25 man roster will be?

heres what I think:
Starters:
Votto
Dat Dude
Cozart
Rolen
Hannigan
Heisey
Stubbs
Bruce

Bench:
Cairo
Frazier
Valdez
Ludwick
Mes
Janish-Stays with the big club until Masset comes off DL

Starting Rotation:
Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Leake-He better be in the rotation

Bullpen:
Marshall
Ondrusek
Bray
Arredondo
LeCure
Chapman

IDK if I would carry 11 pitchers but that has to be what there going to do with Francis being sent to AAA to start the season. just seems like alot of guys to have on the bench. I really could care less now who makes the team or not because we have our starters in place. I just really want Leake to be in the rotation. I also would like Aroldis to start since I think he deserves it but I just think theres no way Bailey goes to the pen. This is really going to be interesting. I dont think Ive ever been this excited to see who makes the 25 man roster and rotation coming out of camp

jhu1321
04-02-2012, 10:21 AM
Nice post. Seems pretty accurate to me but I think Chapman takes either Leake or Baileys spot in the rotation. I think the Reds brass wants to see him in there and they also know that he will draw a crowd every fifth night.

I also see Willie Harris making it over Janish. Much more versatile AND with the trade of Fransisco is the only lefty pinch hitter on the roster.

IamRV
04-02-2012, 01:16 PM
Nice post. Seems pretty accurate to me but I think Chapman takes either Leake or Baileys spot in the rotation. I think the Reds brass wants to see him in there and they also know that he will draw a crowd every fifth night.

I also see Willie Harris making it over Janish. Much more versatile AND with the trade of Fransisco is the only lefty pinch hitter on the roster.

Agree.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 01:24 PM
I really wished they would put Chapman in AAA for at least a month to let him get some more work and go with Leake, Bronson, Cueto, Latos and Bailey in the starting rotation. I want no part of Chapman in the pen in Cincy as it serves no purpose but to stroke Dusty's ego. My guess is maybe they will start Chapman in the rotation and put Leake in AAA since he has an option and see what happens.

The DARK
04-02-2012, 03:00 PM
The final roster, it seems:

Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Leake
Bailey

Chapman
Marshall
Arredondo
Bray
Ondrusek
LeCure

Mes
Hanigan

Votto
Phillips
Cozart
Rolen
Cairo
Frazier
Valdez

Ludwick
Heisey
Stubbs
Bruce
Harris

Janish was optioned to Louisville. Harris becomes the 3rd lefty bat on the team behind Bruce and Votto. 6 relievers (3 of whom can reliably pitch 3 innings or more) suggests that some of them may get longer stints until Masset returns or somebody else gets promoted.

LeDoux
04-02-2012, 03:13 PM
Harris Career vs. RHP:

.335 /.357 /.692

Harris 2011 vs. RHP:

.325 /.306 /.631


Not exactly power numbers there.

texasdave
04-02-2012, 03:22 PM
Willie Harris won a spot over Paul Janish. SMDH. Well, Dusty never had any use for Janish. That was pretty obvious. If ST was an open audition, Janish won it hands down. Guess that open audition wasn't really very open after all. I would say Harris had the edge because he hits left-handed, but as shown above, he really doesn't hit left-handed. This should put the final in the coffin of those who still don't believe that Dusty has a man-crush on Veteran Creaminess. It is huge. It is big-time, dude.

Harris - .260/.315/.320/.635
Valdez - .327/.377/.347/.724
Janish - .310/.412/.500/.912

dubc47834
04-02-2012, 03:26 PM
Harris Career vs. RHP:

.335 /.357 /.692

Harris 2011 vs. RHP:

.325 /.306 /.631


Not exactly power numbers there.

Don't think anyone was saying he was a power option, just an available lefty off the bench over Janisch.

texasdave
04-02-2012, 03:27 PM
Don't think anyone was saying he was a power option, just an available lefty off the bench over Janisch.

No. When you can neither get on base nor hit with power against RHP, you are not a lefty option off the bench.

dubc47834
04-02-2012, 03:28 PM
Willie Harris won a spot over Paul Janish. SMDH. Well, Dusty never had any use for Janish. That was pretty obvious. If ST was an open audition, Janish won it hands down. Guess that open audition wasn't really very open after all. I would say Harris had the edge because he hits left-handed, but as shown above, he really doesn't hit left-handed. This should put the final in the coffin of those who still don't believe that Dusty has a man-crush on Veteran Creaminess. It is huge. It is big-time, dude.

Harris - .260/.315/.320/.635
Valdez - .327/.377/.347/.724
Janish - .310/.412/.500/.912

Dude, Janish has proved he can't hit at the big league level. Why keep him?

texasdave
04-02-2012, 03:44 PM
Dude, Janish has proved he can't hit at the big league level. Why keep him?

Because he is a better play than Willie Harris?

swaisuc
04-03-2012, 12:55 PM
Because he is a better play than Willie Harris?

Probably a better question would be, when would you use Paul Janish on this roster?

In my mind he's a 3B, SS, 2B defensive replacement on a team with GG caliber at 2b/SS and a million 3rd basemen. I just think he's a bad fit.

DGullett35
04-03-2012, 01:06 PM
He hit pretty good this spring. at least good enouph to make the team IMO. He really doesnt fit tho I do agree with that. Cairo is our main backup infielder. Lets see what Janish does in Louisville in terms of hitting and then that will answer our question of what he can do for this team. I pray that Cozart stays healthy but Janish is the logical choice to replace him as the every day SS if that were to happen so maybe thats how he could fit in.

swaisuc
04-03-2012, 03:29 PM
He hit pretty good this spring. at least good enouph to make the team IMO. He really doesnt fit tho I do agree with that. Cairo is our main backup infielder. Lets see what Janish does in Louisville in terms of hitting and then that will answer our question of what he can do for this team. I pray that Cozart stays healthy but Janish is the logical choice to replace him as the every day SS if that were to happen so maybe thats how he could fit in.

Ya safe bet Janish is back if they actually need a starting SS.

LeDoux
04-04-2012, 05:23 PM
Harris- While I understand the desire to have a left-handed bat on the bench, if that bat is less productive than the right handed bats on the bench versus RHP- it seems to be a very poor option. I also worry how much playing time Harris will get to keep him "sharp."

texasdave
04-04-2012, 06:52 PM
Harris- While I understand the desire to have a left-handed bat on the bench, if that bat is less productive than the right handed bats on the bench versus RHP- it seems to be a very poor option. I also worry how much playing time Harris will get to keep him "sharp."

Willie Harris in the last three years or 938 PA - WAR = .5.
Todd Frazier in his first year or 121 PA - WAR = .7.

Willie Harris in the last three years is a below average fielder each year at multiple positions.
Todd Frazier in his first year is an above average fielder at multiple positions.

Willie Harris in the last three years is, cumulatively a below average base runner.
Todd Frazier in his first year is an above average base runner.

Willie Harris turns 34 this season.
Todd Frazier turns 26 this season.

ST 2012 (and no I don't believe either player thought he had the club made and therefore was just up there working on things to get ready for the season).

Willie Harris .264/.316/.321/.637 Willie Harris could bat from second base and not have as much pop as Todd Frazier.
Todd Frazier .291/.339/.691/1.030

Oh, then by all means, give me Willie Harris. :laugh: