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jhu1321
04-02-2012, 01:46 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/04/reds-to-extend-joey-votto.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 01:48 PM
Terms of the deal are not known, but the total contract value could surpass $200MM. Votto will earn a total of $27MM through 2013 on the extension he signed last winter.

[deleted]
04-02-2012, 01:57 PM
Gotta say, I'm shocked that this would go down so soon. Very pleased, obviously, but shocked. Holding my breath while waiting for the length/dollars.

arkimadee
04-02-2012, 02:00 PM
If this happened today and UK won the national title, this could go down as one of my all time favorite sports days in history.

KYRedLeg
04-02-2012, 02:06 PM
Wow...I wasn't expecting this so early (maybe around the end of the season?). I'm excited/very happy, but interested to hear the length and what it will mean for the payroll over the next decade or so.

R_Webb18
04-02-2012, 02:07 PM
If this happened today and KU won the national title, this could go down as one of my all time favorite sports days in history.

arkimadee
04-02-2012, 02:09 PM
How dare you misquote me :)

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 02:11 PM
No confirmation yet on @mlbtraderumors report on Votto deal with #Reds but sources say Phillips deal unlikely. Money could go to Votto.

https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/186860819231936513


If Phillips does not get a deal he needs to be trade now because he will be a problem in the clubhouse

bounty37h
04-02-2012, 02:12 PM
awesome news if so!

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 02:13 PM
Votto confirms that an extension is close. "I can't comment till it's done. You'll have to ask Walt. It's a gray area." #reds


https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/186863542857773059

KYRedLeg
04-02-2012, 02:14 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/186860819231936513


If Phillips does not get a deal he needs to be trade now because he will be a problem in the clubhouse

Agreed. Even if he goes out and continues to play at his usual quality to impress his future team, he's going to be a dark cloud in the clubhouse.

R_Webb18
04-02-2012, 02:16 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/186860819231936513


If Phillips does not get a deal he needs to be trade now because he will be a problem in the clubhouse

no he wont. he will be playing for more money.

osuredleg24
04-02-2012, 02:16 PM
I honestly don't see BP being a problem in the clubhouse. I think he's a smart man and probably knew either him or Votto could get resigned

The DARK
04-02-2012, 02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/186860819231936513


If Phillips does not get a deal he needs to be trade now because he will be a problem in the clubhouse

I disagree. He seems to get along really well with the team (most of whom are back), and we have one of the best squads that we've ever had during his time here. I doubt he stays, but he's been perhaps the heart of this Reds team for years, and we should send him out on a high note.

arkimadee
04-02-2012, 02:19 PM
My reaction to this Joey Votto news


Daniel Bryan Wins YES YES YES - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WGHeQw49ws)

Grouse
04-02-2012, 02:19 PM
I think Phillips will play his best year ever. Its a year long Job interview, with millions on the line. Money motivates people like Phillips, and rightfuly so. Always bet on a man in a contract year. If he plays bad it could cost him a dumptruck of money.

HalMorrisRules
04-02-2012, 02:22 PM
If this report came out yesterday I would have chalked it up as an April Fools Day joke

brm7675
04-02-2012, 02:39 PM
Not buying it, until I see Walt and Votto and Bob at a press conference I am not buying it. With the stupid act of putting Chapman in the pen, shows me that this franchise is being led by the 3 stooges...

jhu1321
04-02-2012, 02:42 PM
Not buying it, until I see Walt and Votto and Bob at a press conference I am not buying it. With the stupid act of putting Chapman in the pen, shows me that this franchise is being led by the 3 stooges...

Votto confirmed a deal is close.

redsfanmia
04-02-2012, 02:49 PM
If the Reds signed Votto for anything longer than 5 years it is a franchise crippling deal IMO. NO way I would sign a guy with depression issues to a true long term deal. Votto is a great player but in a market like Cincinnati having one player make 1/3 to 1/4 of the payroll is a terrible deal.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 02:51 PM
Votto confirmed a deal is close.

"Close"? again when ink is on contract then I will believe...

The DARK
04-02-2012, 02:52 PM
If the Reds signed Votto for anything longer than 5 years it is a franchise crippling deal IMO. NO way I would sign a guy with depression issues to a true long term deal. Votto is a great player but in a market like Cincinnati having one player make 1/3 to 1/4 of the payroll is a terrible deal.

Dude, that was 3 years ago, when his father died. And we'll wait until we see the price tag to decide if it's too much.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 02:54 PM
If the Reds signed Votto for anything longer than 5 years it is a franchise crippling deal IMO. NO way I would sign a guy with depression issues to a true long term deal. Votto is a great player but in a market like Cincinnati having one player make 1/3 to 1/4 of the payroll is a terrible deal.

What depression issues?

R_Webb18
04-02-2012, 02:56 PM
Dude, that was 3 years ago, when his father died. And we'll wait until we see the price tag to decide if it's too much.

this.


but they will go over 5 yrs

sdwagers
04-02-2012, 02:59 PM
What depression issues?

Votto had depression issues when his dad pasted away. This was before he was the MVP. There no reason to be concerned anymore or even to bring this up. Votto will be the starting 1st Baseman in the Allstar game for years to come.

redsfanmia
04-02-2012, 03:01 PM
[QUOTE=The DARK;2552686]Dude, that was 3 years ago, when his father died. And we'll wait until we see the price tag to decide if it's too much.[/QUO


And the following year when he took off 3 weeks for a "stiff neck", I like the guy but no way I would go over 5 years for him. Long term deal's rarely work out for small market clubs.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 03:11 PM
I bet we are looking at a 5-6 or 7 year deal in the 100-145 million dollar range and no it will not stifle the franchise. Bob has money, and he is learing to play with the big boys he has to spend some.

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 03:21 PM
I disagree. He seems to get along really well with the team (most of whom are back), and we have one of the best squads that we've ever had during his time here. I doubt he stays, but he's been perhaps the heart of this Reds team for years, and we should send him out on a high note.


no he wont. he will be playing for more money.


I honestly don't see BP being a problem in the clubhouse. I think he's a smart man and probably knew either him or Votto could get resigned

You guys are talking about

The guy who b***hed and moaned Josh Hamilton was getting to much press

This is the guy that did not talk to Cincinnati press for a year because they asked a hard question

This is the guy who complained Dunn & Jr was treated differently than he was

This is the guy Cleveland GAVE AWAY because he was a clubhouse cancer

This is the guy who had his clothing monogrammed "The Franchise"

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 03:26 PM
And the following year when he took off 3 weeks for a "stiff neck", I like the guy but no way I would go over 5 years for him. Long term deal's rarely work out for small market clubs.

He missed 6 games his MVP season do to a stiff neck

May 26th - May 31st

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100527/SPT04/5280369/Votto-s-stiff-neck-pulls-him-from-lineup
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/28670/year/2010/joey-votto

Stray
04-02-2012, 03:29 PM
He's the best 1B in the NL and arguably the best offensive player in the league. We're gonna get to keep him for a while?

Good news.

texasdave
04-02-2012, 03:30 PM
Sweet news. Congrats to both Joey and Reds' management and fans. :beerme:

Who Dey Time
04-02-2012, 03:37 PM
Great news! Can't wait until Thursday!!!!!

RedsFan_26
04-02-2012, 03:39 PM
I bet we are looking at a 5-6 or 7 year deal in the 100-145 million dollar range and no it will not stifle the franchise. Bob has money, and he is learing to play with the big boys he has to spend some.

I just can't see the Reds going all in like that, i know all the analysts are saying 6 years, 7 years, 8 years and over 200 mil. But I think this is going to be a 3 to maybe 5 year deal in the 70-100 million dollar range.

Hopefully if they only extend Votto 3-4 years they may be able to keep Phillips

jhu1321
04-02-2012, 03:57 PM
He's the best 1B in the NL and arguably the best offensive player in the league. We're gonna get to keep him for a while?

Good news.

Enough said. :beerme:

RedsFan_26
04-02-2012, 04:09 PM
nevermind

Who Dey Time
04-02-2012, 04:11 PM
ITS OFFICIAL. 5 years $100 million with a $7.5 million buyout for 2018. See my prediction was right

That deal is for Matt Cain who just agreed to an extension with San Francisco. That tweet you are quoting is from the SF Chronicle Giants' beat writer.

UPRedsFan
04-02-2012, 04:53 PM
Now how about Phillips for Hamels?

Pete4prez
04-02-2012, 05:22 PM
Aaaaaall Riiiiiiiiigghht!!!!!!!

Todd Gack
04-02-2012, 05:40 PM
So after Votto, Bruce, and eventually Latos are paid, what % of our payroll will be tied up these three guys?

brm7675
04-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Not sure how true...but have read some reports deal is near $200 million which means it has to be close to a 10 year deal...

redsfanmia
04-02-2012, 06:13 PM
Not sure how true...but have read some reports deal is near $200 million which means it has to be close to a 10 year deal...

If it is 10 years then we as fans will rue this day, I wouldn't sign anyone for 10 years.

smixsell
04-02-2012, 06:38 PM
PLEASE BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!! Double good news if true. :beerme:

MVP Votto (a true comptetitor) stays

AND

"Mr. Hollywood" Phillips (an "anti-competitor") goes

Sweet. :beerme:

Then let's see if we can trade BP for someone who is both good AND committed to winning.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 06:47 PM
If it is 10 years then we as fans will rue this day, I wouldn't sign anyone for 10 years.

I agree, but in baseball if you want to keep your stars, especially the level Votto is at you have to...

mroby85
04-02-2012, 07:25 PM
I for one, don't care how long the extension is, or how much they pay him. I want them to keep votto, period. How successful were they the years before he got here? At least now, if the payroll was tied up in him, there would be one stud player that is fun to watch. I'm ecstatic that he CHOSE to stay here, and everyone else should be thankful too. Don't think that he wouldn't have had options like this other places.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 07:26 PM
Wonder how much the new ownership group in LA scared both the Giants and Reds?

brm7675
04-02-2012, 07:32 PM
It is being reported deal is for 10 years at $200 million and will take Votto up to his 38th birthday. Okay can't wait to hear the Reds fans scream how bad it is now....

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 07:34 PM
So after Votto, Bruce, and eventually Latos are paid, what % of our payroll will be tied up these three guys?

new media deal coming, the Reds are one of the highest TV rated teams in baseball

mroby85
04-02-2012, 07:40 PM
It is being reported deal is for 10 years at $200 million and will take Votto up to his 38th birthday. Okay can't wait to hear the Reds fans scream how bad it is now....

Who is reporting this? I haven't seen anything official or official reports on numbers... I'm just curious because a lot of the initial years/$ were off on the Madson signing...

brm7675
04-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Who is reporting this? I haven't seen anything official or official reports on numbers... I'm just curious because a lot of the initial years/$ were off on the Madson signing...

CBS sports, Ken Rosenthal both saying deal is 10 years/200 million

R_Webb18
04-02-2012, 07:57 PM
im still okay with that

RedsFan_26
04-02-2012, 08:12 PM
10 year 225 million contract is done, i am right this time :D

Votto is here till 2023

brm7675
04-02-2012, 08:13 PM
USatMLB reports...

10 year $225 million, no trade clause, will be a Red until 2023

[deleted]
04-02-2012, 08:13 PM
10 years, 225 million. Full no-trade clause, apparently.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/04/joey-votto-reds-contract-extension/1#.T3ovlKtYv3Q

edit: seemed everyone was on it, heh

AintlifeGrande
04-02-2012, 08:25 PM
Not buying it, until I see Walt and Votto and Bob at a press conference I am not buying it. With the stupid act of putting Chapman in the pen, shows me that this franchise is being led by the 3 stooges...

With your last sentence,that pretty much sums up this organization.Thats all well and good with Votto,but I cannot understand the ho hum attitude about Philips not getting an extension.You just don't dismiss the best 2nd basemen in league like that.Walt had more than ample time to get a deal done with Philips agent,especially now after seeing him throw that kind of coin at Votto.
Good luck defense, next year when Philips is gone,and aging,broken down Rolen as well.Building teams ''here to stay''as I have heard those words thrown around,are predicated on pitching and defense.And the Reds willing be regressing on that front.I guess we can go back to Jimbo's mantra of trying to hit everything out of the park to win ball games.

mroby85
04-02-2012, 08:26 PM
With your last sentence,that pretty much somes up this organization.Thats all well and good with Votto,but I cannot understand the ho hum attitude about Philips not getting an extension.You just don't dismiss the best 2nd basemen in league like that.Walt had more than ample time to get a deal done with Philips agent,especially now after seeing him throw that kind of coin at Votto.

Votto is a better player and priority #1. There is only so much money to go around, they're not the Yankees. They did the right thing.

Stray
04-02-2012, 08:28 PM
This is the kinda deal I was positive we wouldn't do. I love it.

I'll worry about a 38 year old Votto in say...9 years from now.

redsfanmia
04-02-2012, 08:31 PM
Still say this deal will cripple the franchise, short term this deal is great.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 08:34 PM
With your last sentence,that pretty much somes up this organization.Thats all well and good with Votto,but I cannot understand the ho hum attitude about Philips not getting an extension.You just don't dismiss the best 2nd basemen in league like that.Walt had more than ample time to get a deal done with Philips agent,especially now after seeing him throw that kind of coin at Votto.
Good luck defense, next year when Philips is gone,and aging,broken down Rolen as well.Building teams ''here to stay''as I have heard those words thrown around,are predicated on pitching and defense.And the Reds willing be regressing on that front.I guess we can go back to Jimbo's mantra of trying to hit everything out of the park to win ball games.

Phillips is on the down side of his deal, and it is much easier to replace him (we have some talent in our own system) then it is to replace Votto. As for 3rd base...hmmm Todd Frazier?

brm7675
04-02-2012, 08:35 PM
Still say this deal will cripple the franchise, short term this deal is great.

How will it cripple them?

redsfanmia
04-02-2012, 08:40 PM
How will it cripple them?

How many winning seasons did the Reds have with Griffey Jr? Long term deals like this are great for the Yankees or Red Sox but anytime you commit 25% of your payroll to one guy for 10 years its going to cripple your team. What if Votto is injury plagued like Jr? There are many ways this deal could cripple the franchise.

redsfanmia
04-02-2012, 08:42 PM
Phillips is on the down side of his deal, and it is much easier to replace him (we have some talent in our own system) then it is to replace Votto. As for 3rd base...hmmm Todd Frazier?

Phillips is the most versatile player on the team, he is the best lead off hitter, 2 hole hitter and clean up hitter and he is a great defender.

jredmo2
04-02-2012, 08:43 PM
This is the kinda deal I was positive we wouldn't do. I love it.

I'll worry about a 38 year old Votto in say...9 years from now.

I may be wrong, but I read it as through his 40 year old season. The USA Today report says the extension starts after the current deal is up.

Jharb74
04-02-2012, 08:46 PM
I think this means I can get rid of my knock-off Chinese Votto jersey now and buy a real one. Is it ironic that some places they are $225?

AintlifeGrande
04-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Phillips is on the down side of his deal, and it is much easier to replace him (we have some talent in our own system) then it is to replace Votto. As for 3rd base...hmmm Todd Frazier?


Yeah,unproven talent in the minors.Pennants are not won with greenhorns.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Phillips is the most versatile player on the team, he is the best lead off hitter, 2 hole hitter and clean up hitter and he is a great defender.

And he is on the down side of his career, he is reached his peak, at best maybe a season or two at this level then he declines. How is he versatile? he is an okay leadoff hitter but not great, and a average clean up hitter, his best slot is the 2 spot. He is great on defense but we have kids in the minors who are great gloves also...

brm7675
04-02-2012, 08:53 PM
Yeah,unproven talent in the minors.Pennants are not won with greenhorns.

Really...who was that rookie catcher that helped lead the SF Giants to their WS title? Who are those young kids in TB doing what they are doing?

Larry Schuler
04-02-2012, 08:54 PM
The only bad thing about this extension is that now the Reds won't be able to sign that giant MVP-type free agent they've always been meaning to get around to signing! We'll just be stuck with Joey Votto!

osuredleg24
04-02-2012, 09:01 PM
just curious, what's the advantage of paying him free agent money now, rather than say next off season or right before he becomes a FA?

KYRedLeg
04-02-2012, 09:04 PM
You guys are talking about

The guy who b***hed and moaned Josh Hamilton was getting to much press

This is the guy that did not talk to Cincinnati press for a year because they asked a hard question

This is the guy who complained Dunn & Jr was treated differently than he was

This is the guy Cleveland GAVE AWAY because he was a clubhouse cancer

This is the guy who had his clothing monogrammed "The Franchise"

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6263/datjr.jpg

AintlifeGrande
04-02-2012, 09:07 PM
Really...who was that rookie catcher that helped lead the SF Giants to their WS title? Who are those young kids in TB doing what they are doing?

Ok I get it already.You could careless about Philips bat and glove.And go with the likes of Todd Frazier and our other ''Buster Posey's'' and ''Longoria's'' in AAA.

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 09:11 PM
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6263/datjr.jpg

And it starts

plus


But Castellini said a deal with Votto would not preclude the club from signing second baseman Brandon Phillips. The Reds and Phillips have talked about a contract extension.

Phillips, who is in the last year of his contract, will make $12.5 million this year. He said he had heard nothing of the Votto deal.

I just want to play baseball, he said.

Asked if he would continue to negotiate with the Reds, Phillips repeated: I just want to play baseball.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2012/04/02/latest-on-votto/

The DARK
04-02-2012, 09:13 PM
On one hand, this probably is probably a little bit less than what he'd get in the open market. On the other, $225 million is a mighty steep price for anybody, let alone a small-market team like Cincinnati. This is the definition of going for it, and you can bet ownership will market the crap out of him.

That said, I like this signing much more than I did for Fielder. Unlike the Tigers, we have a realistic spot open on the roster, and Votto's physical conditioning and perfectionist attitude suggests he'll hold up better in the long run. And it carries less of a risk than for Pujols, who will be 42 at the end of his contract even without the age rumors going around.

The Rage
04-02-2012, 09:15 PM
The Reds have got to get Latos signed, plus any breakout guys like Bailey,Leake,Mes ete ete.

Phillips is done in Cincinnati unless he takes a smaller deal, a much smaller deal.

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 09:15 PM
WOW if usatoday is right Joey will be a Reds through age 40

I liked the rumored deal a little better when the 10 years included to 2 he had left


But we have Joe for the next 12 years, in 12 years 20 million might be the average salary not the top end

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 09:16 PM
The Reds have got to get Latos signed, plus any breakout guys like Bailey,Leake,Mes ete ete.

Phillips is done in Cincinnati unless he takes a smaller deal, a much smaller deal.

I do not think you have to worry about Bailey breaking out

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 09:23 PM
Phillips is the most versatile player on the team, he is the best lead off hitter, 2 hole hitter and clean up hitter and he is a great defender.

he was a .269 clean up hitter last season just saying

4 players had a better average in the #2 hole last year than Phillips

I'll give you lead off hitting and defense

Krawhitham
04-02-2012, 09:27 PM
The Reds will be on the hook for 255 million over the next 12 years if the USAtoday report is correct

SweetLou1990
04-02-2012, 09:45 PM
I'm going to focus on the here and now and enjoy myself at GABP this weekend!!!

Joe (I'm just going to call him Joe from now on, no last name needed) prob wanted to get the deal done more than BP did and he cashed in. Thank you Bob & Walt!

Holy $#!+ - we got Joe thru 2023!!

Assembly Hall
04-02-2012, 10:05 PM
I am thrilled, relieved, and just wet myself!!!!!!!!!!

RedsfaninMT
04-02-2012, 10:21 PM
The Reds will be on the hook for 255 million over the next 12 years if the USAtoday report is correct

Yes, that appears to be true. Consider this, however. In 1992, a $22 million contract signed then would be worth $17 million today, when inflation is taken into account.

Provided the economy continues "normal" growth, Votto's salary will be down $5 million less in value in 10 years. And I suspect there will be many salaries of that magnitude signed in the next 3-4 years, especially given what Fielder and Pujols got this year.

Eric the Red
04-02-2012, 10:21 PM
This is a great day to be a Reds fan. The future looks very bright for this organization. Granted, it's a ton of money, but it gives us hope. The key will be, much as it's been recently, is developing major league talent through the minor leagues to accompany Votto, Bruce, Mesoraco and Company.

Dave Cameron at fangraphs does a tremendous job and his work in this Votto extension article is no different.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/joey-vottos-massive-extension-changes-the-game/

It's a huge risk but I truly think it's move the Reds and the fans will be glad occurred after 2023.

Keystone12
04-02-2012, 10:45 PM
Oh no.

This will most likely be a franchise-crippler. :(

Assembly Hall
04-02-2012, 10:57 PM
Great read Eric.:thumbup:

OGB
04-02-2012, 11:09 PM
If Neftali Soto cuts down on his strikeouts and hits 30 home runs again, he'll be a nice bargaining chip at the deadline or in the offseason.

texasdave
04-02-2012, 11:20 PM
Good for Reds' fans. I will take all the good Joey Votto years for a couple of clunkers at the end. (If those even materialize.) To have a potential HOFer play his entire career as a Cincinnati Red has to be a good thing.

jwmann2
04-02-2012, 11:21 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/186860819231936513


If Phillips does not get a deal he needs to be trade now because he will be a problem in the clubhouse

The first thing I thought of when I saw Votto's deal was Brandon Phillips. I wouldn't call him Ochocinco but Phillips wants to be a Red. He had made that clear. At the end of the day, Votto is 28 and Phillips is 31.

brm7675
04-02-2012, 11:46 PM
Oh no.

This will most likely be a franchise-crippler. :(

How is that?

Ohayou
04-03-2012, 12:07 AM
Joey Votto and Matt Cain just agreed to two of the largest contracts in MLB history, but apparently that's not enough to top Ubaldo Jimenez in the headlines. :laugh:

DGullett35
04-03-2012, 12:27 AM
Great day to be a Reds fan. hopefully the front office can work something out to keep Phillips(crossing my fingers)

SeeingRed
04-03-2012, 12:40 AM
happy Joey will be here for a long time. Possibly career!

Cigar2
04-03-2012, 01:31 AM
Just got a text from espn about the Joey deal. I guess its confirmed now.

nmculbreth
04-03-2012, 01:46 AM
How is that?

No player is worth a 12 year guaranteed contract, particularly if you're paying fair market value.

Given the money and length of the deal, there is almost no chance of the Reds getting any surplus value from this deal. The best case scenario is that Votto plays well enough to earn the contract the Reds gave him, the worst case scenario is that Votto's play tails off at some point during the contract and the Reds have big chunk of their payroll tied up in a player who is getting paid more than he is worth. Given the length of the deal, I'd bet on the latter.

webbbj
04-03-2012, 01:53 AM
Good for Reds' fans. I will take all the good Joey Votto years for a couple of clunkers at the end. (If those even materialize.) To have a potential HOFer play his entire career as a Cincinnati Red has to be a good thing.

pretty much this. we didnt overpay just over extended him. but it maybe worth it for 7-8 years.

Jamz
04-03-2012, 10:23 AM
Well I've been discussing this for the last day now because of how happy I am about the signing (as a Canadian Reds fan this means a lot!)

I'll just summarize what I have to say about it here:

- Votto has no injury history, is a perfectionist, and one of the most consistent hitters in the league.
- He would have gotten more money on the open market almost definitely.
- If we let Votto go we would just be back in a position looking for a superstar to play on our team...how does that help?
- He plays in the least demanding position on the field, is in excellent shape, and most of his hitting ability lies in his vision and patience. It's unlikely that he will begin to decline soon, and I could easily see him performing well (20+/80+/80+) late into his contract.
- He is Canadian.
- Inflation will see the value of the deal increase a little bit for us in the future because it is so long.

We're extremely lucky to have one of the best players in the entire league locked up on our team for the next 12 years in his prime years, and then to be there to help guide our players along as a veteran, who can still contribute, in the future. He's a consummate professional and seems to be one of the most respected and respectful players I've seen in a long time.

Obviously there is a risk involved in any long term contract, but if you're going to take a risk you do it on the guy who has no injury history, is extremely consistent, takes good care of himself, is intelligent and plays the least demanding position on the field.

Rejoice!

CrosleyField
04-03-2012, 10:53 AM
With current inflation rates, this contract might be a deal in a couple of years

bagz
04-03-2012, 11:24 AM
Didn't expect us to resign him. It's a great time to be a Reds fan with the talented and classy JV staying put in Cincy!

Krawhitham
04-03-2012, 12:03 PM
Source: None of money in Votto's deal with #Reds is deferred. Contract is back-loaded.


https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/187183439492026368

TracyJonesFan
04-03-2012, 12:55 PM
I want to make myself clear - I like Votto and I am glad he is going to be a red for a long time.

I am not so much in favor of the timing of this deal. What was the rush to get this done? Could we not have gotten this deal at the end of the year? It doesn't seem as if joey gave us much of a hometown discount.

Like I said i am not against the deal - just the timing. What happens if Votto gets hurt or has a terrible year this year? I just don't see the benifit in the timing.

brm7675
04-03-2012, 05:59 PM
No player is worth a 12 year guaranteed contract, particularly if you're paying fair market value.

Given the money and length of the deal, there is almost no chance of the Reds getting any surplus value from this deal. The best case scenario is that Votto plays well enough to earn the contract the Reds gave him, the worst case scenario is that Votto's play tails off at some point during the contract and the Reds have big chunk of their payroll tied up in a player who is getting paid more than he is worth. Given the length of the deal, I'd bet on the latter.

No question that as he hits that 35-38 years old age level his production isn't going to be what it is now. so what, this is baseball and if you want to win you pay. This contract shows Reds fans that ownership is willing to play with the big boys. Was it overall smart contract, probably not, but in baseball show me many that are...

brm7675
04-03-2012, 06:03 PM
I want to make myself clear - I like Votto and I am glad he is going to be a red for a long time.

I am not so much in favor of the timing of this deal. What was the rush to get this done? Could we not have gotten this deal at the end of the year? It doesn't seem as if joey gave us much of a hometown discount.

Like I said i am not against the deal - just the timing. What happens if Votto gets hurt or has a terrible year this year? I just don't see the benifit in the timing.

Players get hurt all the time, to think that Votto won't get hurt and miss time over the length of the contract is foolish, what you hope is the injuries are limited and not career ending.

Todd Gack
04-03-2012, 06:27 PM
I want to make myself clear - I like Votto and I am glad he is going to be a red for a long time.

I am not so much in favor of the timing of this deal. What was the rush to get this done? Could we not have gotten this deal at the end of the year? It doesn't seem as if joey gave us much of a hometown discount.

Like I said i am not against the deal - just the timing. What happens if Votto gets hurt or has a terrible year this year? I just don't see the benifit in the timing.

Completely agree. If we end up substantially raising our payroll or win a World Series, this contract won't seem like a big deal to me. But it's such as huge, huge risk if the rumors are true. I'm not a huge fan of our small market base signing a guy who would be approximately 20-25% of our current payroll.

nmculbreth
04-03-2012, 06:42 PM
No question that as he hits that 35-38 years old age level his production isn't going to be what it is now. so what, this is baseball and if you want to win you pay. This contract shows Reds fans that ownership is willing to play with the big boys. Was it overall smart contract, probably not, but in baseball show me many that are...

Smart organizations look to exploit market inefficiencies, not participate in them.

I like Votto, he is a consummate professional and is all that you could ask for in a baseball player. But at the end of the day the organization has effectively allocated 20% - 25% of their payroll resources for the next twelve years to one player and no player is worth that kind of commitment.

texasdave
04-03-2012, 06:50 PM
Joey Votto hit on a 200+ million dollar lottery in which he held the only ticket.

brm7675
04-03-2012, 07:19 PM
Smart organizations look to exploit market inefficiencies, not participate in them.

I like Votto, he is a consummate professional and is all that you could ask for in a baseball player. But at the end of the day the organization has effectively allocated 20% - 25% of their payroll resources for the next twelve years to one player and no player is worth that kind of commitment.

Name me a smart "financially" based pro sports team? Hell the Denver Bronco's just paid over 90 million dollars to someone who is 36 years old, coming off a major injury and hasn't played in over a year? Look at the contracts in the NBA? Look at the deal the Giants just gave Matt Cain, a sub .500 pitcher.

The Rangers paid $50 million dollars just to be able to "attempt" to sign a player, it's sports, stupid contracts get handed out daily. People said there was NO WAY the Reds would ever offer votto anything like the kind of deal he is getting, well guess what, millionairs like our owner is willing to spend it because he knows he will make it back.

Lets be honost...Are the LA Dodgers really worth 2 billion dollars?

SweetLou1990
04-03-2012, 09:00 PM
Name me a smart "financially" based pro sports team? Hell the Denver Bronco's just paid over 90 million dollars to someone who is 36 years old, coming off a major injury and hasn't played in over a year? Look at the contracts in the NBA? Look at the deal the Giants just gave Matt Cain, a sub .500 pitcher.

The Rangers paid $50 million dollars just to be able to "attempt" to sign a player, it's sports, stupid contracts get handed out daily. People said there was NO WAY the Reds would ever offer votto anything like the kind of deal he is getting, well guess what, millionairs like our owner is willing to spend it because he knows he will make it back.

Lets be honost...Are the LA Dodgers really worth 2 billion dollars?

Good call on the Dodgers, if they are worth 2 bil (with a B), then Joe may be worth the money. Joe is worth all of the money if the Reds win - the Reds gotta win a Series !

Mr Larkin
04-03-2012, 11:24 PM
I don't see how we can't be happy about this. I thought he was walking after next season for sure. I love seeing the Reds make such a commitment.

Krawhitham
04-04-2012, 01:15 AM
Name me a smart "financially" based pro sports team? Hell the Denver Bronco's just paid over 90 million dollars to someone who is 36 years old, coming off a major injury and hasn't played in over a year? Look at the contracts in the NBA? Look at the deal the Giants just gave Matt Cain, a sub .500 pitcher.

Only 19-20 of Payton's contract is guaranteed


The Rangers paid $50 million dollars just to be able to "attempt" to sign a player, it's sports, stupid contracts get handed out daily. People said there was NO WAY the Reds would ever offer votto anything like the kind of deal he is getting, well guess what, millionairs like our owner is willing to spend it because he knows he will make it back.

But if the Ranger had failed to sign the player to a contract they would have got the 50 million dollar post fee back


They both had outs for the high risk they were taking, they Reds do not unless Joey gets hurt and they have bought insurance

The only way this deal works long term is if the Reds have have a payroll about the same size as The Cards. The reds are current 19th is payroll while the cards are 12th, 22.5 million separate them, or the price of Joey separates them. If Joey represents 35-40% of this teams payroll they are screwed for the next 12 years

joshua
04-04-2012, 04:13 AM
Castellini said he was going to do what it took to bring a winner to Cincinnati, and it's pretty obvious now that he wasn't lying just to put people in the seats. He wants to win, and this is proof. I'm super excited to know that we won't bring up an elite player just to watch him get snatched up by a big market club and go win rings somewhere else.

joshua
04-04-2012, 04:14 AM
Only 19-20 of Payton's contract is guaranteed



But if the Ranger had failed to sign the player to a contract they would have got the 50 million dollar post fee back


They both had outs for the high risk they were taking, they Reds do not unless Joey gets hurt and they have bought insurance

The only way this deal works long term is if the Reds have have a payroll about the same size as The Cards. The reds are current 19th is payroll while the cards are 12th, 22.5 million separate them, or the price of Joey separates them. If Joey represents 35-40% of this teams payroll they are screwed for the next 12 years

The Reds are probably going to renegotiate their Fox Sports contract soon, and if not soon then by 2016. After that, paying for Joey will be a breeze. It's just the four years in between that might be tough...but maybe this is money that was just considered profit before that is now being invested in the roster. You don't know how much Castellini is willing to increase the payroll in order to continue to compete and build a team around Votto. And that's a moot point after 2016 (at the latest) anyways.

Krawhitham
04-04-2012, 09:30 PM
Joey's new contract has a full no trade clause, but since this contract (2014-2023) extends Joey's current (2011-2013) contract that means the Reds could still trade Joey in 2012 or 2013

Todd Gack
04-04-2012, 10:42 PM
I don't see how we can't be happy about this. I thought he was walking after next season for sure. I love seeing the Reds make such a commitment.

I'm happy about it. But I think if we don't win a World Series while Joey's here and the guys in SD we had end up performing the way we thought they would, then this contract would be a failure.

Eric the Red
04-04-2012, 11:25 PM
Joey's new contract has a full no trade clause, but since this contract (2014-2023) extends Joey's current (2011-2013) contract that means the Reds could still trade Joey in 2012 or 2013

Not true. Per Ken Rosenthal, the no trade clause includes 2012 and 2013 (his previous contract).

Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Votto extension with #Reds includes full no-trade for all 10 years. Also gets full no-trade for remaining 2 years of current deal.