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cincinnati chili
04-05-2012, 03:24 AM
In honor of Joey's milestone, I thought it might be a good time to bring these back:

Doozy #1

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42869&highlight=votto#post42869

Doozy #2
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42856&highlight=votto#post42856

Doozy #3
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42841&highlight=votto#post42841

Spot where the squirrel found the acorn:
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42837&highlight=votto#post42837

"Body similar to Darren Fletcher . . ." (Ha ha ha ha. Did they just pick a mediocre catcher who played for Canadian teams?)
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42835&highlight=votto#post42835

"Votto is looking like he was a large reach."
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30773&page=2&highlight=votto

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http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217604&postcount=1
the team the Reds are headed toward in a few years:

C - Miller
1B - Votto
2B - Bergolla/Lopez
SS - Olmedo
3B - Encarnacion
RF - Kearns
CF - Pena
LF - Dunn

Obviously it won't pan out exactly like that, but that's the current target team. My guesstimate is that said club wouldn't be any good until 2006 at the earliest.

[2006? who knew M2 was such an optimist?]

cincinnati chili
04-05-2012, 03:26 AM
If I'm Tony Womack, I'm asking for some of that $225 million

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45432&highlight=votto

reds44
04-05-2012, 03:28 AM
I'm pretty sure I said some stuff about Votto when he was in the system that would look bad if it was brought up now.

I got Cueto right, I got Votto wrong.

edabbs44
04-05-2012, 08:14 AM
I wasn't on here when Joey was drafted, but I specifically remember that I was pretty unhappy that they overdrafted someone in that slot.

He is reason #1 why I don't get as fired up about specific draft picks anymore unless it is an egregious situation.

edabbs44
04-05-2012, 08:18 AM
If I'm Tony Womack, I'm asking for some of that $225 million

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45432&highlight=votto

Same with that guy who was ridiculed for instituting the take a strike philosophy which Joey later noted helped him in his development. Who was that guy again?

Vottomatic
04-05-2012, 08:37 AM
I took my 2 teenage daughters to a game back when Bruce had just come up and Votto had been up for like a year. They both wanted Bruce jerseys. I told them at the time that Votto would end up being the better player.

They ended up getting Votto jerseys.

Smart girls. I was pretty smart too. :D

REDREAD
04-05-2012, 10:44 AM
Pretty nostalgic to read through those threads and read posters we haven't seen here in a long time..

RedsManRick
04-05-2012, 12:03 PM
"Impressive physical specimen. Hard worker." Yep.

Roy Tucker
04-05-2012, 12:14 PM
Two thoughts:

- Seeing the names of prospects in Votto's class and how much of a utter crap farm system the Reds had in the early 2000's.
- Scott Hatteberg.

VR
04-05-2012, 12:29 PM
Great post Chili.

Votto is the only one left in the system for that last thread!?!?!? Only a couple ever even contirbuted at all.....on the field or with trade value?

Dear Lord I really have blocked out how horrific the Reds system was back then.

oneupper
04-05-2012, 12:58 PM
I think Denorfia's the only other MLB player from that 2002 draft.

pedro
04-05-2012, 01:20 PM
I believe I remember stating that he'd never hit LHP.

M2
04-05-2012, 01:21 PM
My absolute favorite thing about early days Votto was the consensus baseball industry opinion that he was never going to be near as good as Cubs prospect Brian Dopirak.

Caveat Emperor
04-05-2012, 01:27 PM
My overwhelming Votto memory was the Orioles balking at him being included in the potential Bedard deal and holding out for Bruce.

Oops.

Dan
04-05-2012, 01:29 PM
Two thoughts:

- Seeing the names of prospects in Votto's class and how much of a utter crap farm system the Reds had in the early 2000's.
- Scott Hatteberg.

If you want to have a good cry, check out the players that were drafted AFTER Gruler in the first round (http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=year_round&year_ID=2002&draft_round=1&draft_type=junreg&).

Heck, the Reds could have had a draft of Hamels or Greinke, Votto, Lester, and Granderson in the first 3 rounds.

RedsManRick
04-05-2012, 01:34 PM
I think Denorfia's the only other MLB player from that 2002 draft.

It appears so. What an ugly draft for us. I'm not sure who else from that draft ever reached prospect status of any sort other than Gruler. I think Camilo Vazquez and Calvin Medlock had decent minor league careers, but dunno what happened to them.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=CIN&year_ID=2002&draft_type=&

cincinnati chili
04-06-2012, 04:01 AM
I have VIVID memories of that draft as I was interning for another organization in 2002 (more about that in a minute), but I can't believe how much I forgot and how much dumb stuff I said. I gave the Reds a lot of grief for their overdrafts, but if you look at the guys I suggested instead they all did diddlyquat.

Got to see Votto in the cage at one of his first Gulf Coast League games and he drew a lot of positive attention for his swing even then. I could be wrong but I remember it being less compact.

I distinctly remembering as late as 2005 or so thinking, "boy wouldn't it be great if we could get another Sean Casey??" I should have dreamed bigger.

Here's the "all hindsight" team that we could have drafted.

Round 1, Prince Fielder - 1B
Supplemental Round - Joey Votto - 3B
Round 2, John Lester - SP
Round 3, Curtis Granderson - CF
Round 4, Nick Hundley - C
Round 5, John Maine - SP
Round 6, Matt Capps - RP
Round 7, Pat Neshek - RP
Round 8, Adam Lind - RF
Round 9, James McDonald - SP
Round 10, Evan Meek - RP
Round 11, Mike Pelfrey - SP
Round 12, Gaby Sanchez - LF
Round 13, Kila Kaaihue - backup 1B/OF
Round 14, Brandon McCarthy - SP
Round 15, Russell Martin - C/3B
Round 16, Chris Denorfia - backup OF
Round 17, Kameron Loe - mop-up reliever
Round 18, Kyle McClellan - RP
Round 19, Brad Ziegler - RP
Round 20, Nyjer Morgan - backup OF, comic relief
Round 21, Scott Feldman - RP

then go dip into free agency for a couple middle infielders and you have yourself a powerhouse

RANDY IN INDY
04-06-2012, 10:24 AM
I first took notice of Votto when he was in AAA. Josh Hamilton was doing a rehab with the Bats and they were in Charlotte to play the Knights. My son was a huge Hamilton fan at the time and he wanted to go to the game to see Hamilton play. We went on a "Two for Tuesday" and got tickets right beside the Reds dugout in the second row back. Matt wanted to get Hamilton's autograph and the usher told us we were on the wrong end of the dugout. We were near where the players come up to go to the plate. I asked Matt if he wanted to go to the other end and he said, "No, let's just stay here." Right after that, Hamilton stepped up out of the dugout, looked at Matt, and said, "Hey buddy, would you like an autograph? Matt was thrilled and he signed his cap. Later in the game, a young catcher named Ryan Hannigan tossed Matt a baseball as he was running off the field on a third strike. I watched a young hitter, Joey Votto, who seemed to have a wonderful swing. He went 3-3 and on his last at bat, he broke his bat. My son ended up with that bat, as well. What a haul! An autograph from a future MVP, a bat from a future MVP, and a ball from a future starting catcher for the Reds. I told Matt, "That bat may end up being worth something some day, That Votto kid is a player." Little did I know, how good a player he really would end up being.

medford
04-06-2012, 10:59 AM
It appears so. What an ugly draft for us.

Any draft that nets you a player the caliber of Joey Votto should be considered a great draft. Very few prospects actually work out, if you get yourself an MVP every season, and nothing else, you're going to win a handful of championships.

kaldaniels
04-06-2012, 11:45 AM
It appears so. What an ugly draft for us. I'm not sure who else from that draft ever reached prospect status of any sort other than Gruler. I think Camilo Vazquez and Calvin Medlock had decent minor league careers, but dunno what happened to them.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=CIN&year_ID=2002&draft_type=&

It would be interesting to rate drafts 15 years or so down the road based on sum total of WAR.

lollipopcurve
04-06-2012, 12:14 PM
Any draft that nets you a player the caliber of Joey Votto should be considered a great draft.

Yep.

cincinnati chili
04-07-2012, 12:03 AM
I first took notice of Votto when he was in AAA. Josh Hamilton was doing a rehab with the Bats and they were in Charlotte to play the Knights. My son was a huge Hamilton fan at the time and he wanted to go to the game to see Hamilton play. We went on a "Two for Tuesday" and got tickets right beside the Reds dugout in the second row back. Matt wanted to get Hamilton's autograph and the usher told us we were on the wrong end of the dugout. We were near where the players come up to go to the plate. I asked Matt if he wanted to go to the other end and he said, "No, let's just stay here." Right after that, Hamilton stepped up out of the dugout, looked at Matt, and said, "Hey buddy, would you like an autograph? Matt was thrilled and he signed his cap. Later in the game, a young catcher named Ryan Hannigan tossed Matt a baseball as he was running off the field on a third strike. I watched a young hitter, Joey Votto, who seemed to have a wonderful swing. He went 3-3 and on his last at bat, he broke his bat. My son ended up with that bat, as well. What a haul! An autograph from a future MVP, a bat from a future MVP, and a ball from a future starting catcher for the Reds. I told Matt, "That bat may end up being worth something some day, That Votto kid is a player." Little did I know, how good a player he really would end up being.

Good story. I didn't get much from players when I was your son's age, although I'm pretty sure Paul Householder gave me hepatitis.

wheels
04-07-2012, 01:21 AM
Good story. I didn't get much from players when I was your son's age, although I'm pretty sure Paul Householder gave me hepatitis.

Funniest thing ever said on this board.

I thought I was the only one that remembered Housholder's case of The Hep. I remember as a young boy telling my Mom that I had it. She was horrified, and asked how I had heard of it... "Marty Brennaman said Paul Housholder has it" was my reply. Best Baseball conversation ever.

WVRedsFan
04-07-2012, 02:12 AM
My fondest memories was how some on this board thought we should trade him. Silly us. Now, he's going to be here probably after I'm dead and gone. Lots of things I've learned over the years and one of them is that you can never tell...

RANDY IN INDY
04-07-2012, 11:26 AM
Good story. I didn't get much from players when I was your son's age, although I'm pretty sure Paul Householder gave me hepatitis.

:laugh:

cincinnati chili
04-08-2012, 01:04 PM
Funniest thing ever said on this board.

I thought I was the only one that remembered Housholder's case of The Hep. I remember as a young boy telling my Mom that I had it. She was horrified, and asked how I had heard of it... "Marty Brennaman said Paul Housholder has it" was my reply. Best Baseball conversation ever.

I totally forgot that he got the hepatitis from a banquet at a Kentucky country club. Dick Wagner and Russ Nixon were at the same banquet, reportedly:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19830322&id=dJJQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xl0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=2987,7049322

Somewhere there's a picture of me sitting on his lap on the Riverfront Stadium concourse as a 10 year old boy. I wanted so badly to find it and scan it into this thread, but I can't find it. Maybe my mom has it.

wheels
04-08-2012, 05:05 PM
It seemed like the only guys available for those pictures on the concourse were reserve infielders. My mom has one of me with Tom Lawless. A Polaroid, no less.