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reds44
04-05-2012, 07:10 PM
Never too early to scoreboard watch.

Cardinals won last night, Cubs and Pirates lost today.

Volquez is on the mound for the Padres on MLB Network right now.

Tom Servo
04-05-2012, 07:12 PM
The Phillies offense today with Howard and Utley looked awfully anemic.

kbrake
04-05-2012, 07:14 PM
Volquez looked pretty sharp in the first.

WebScorpion
04-05-2012, 09:53 PM
Volquez looked pretty sharp in the first.He gave up 3 runs (2 earned) in 5 innings on 97 pitches...I liked our starter better. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
04-06-2012, 08:27 AM
He gave up 3 runs (2 earned) in 5 innings on 97 pitches...I liked our starter better. ;)

Don't forget the expected 4 walks in 5 innings. I love Edinson's arm...but I do NOT miss his accuracy.

MikeThierry
04-06-2012, 11:38 AM
Anyone else find it amusing how the Cubs find new ways to lose? This is going to be another long year in Chi Town.

OesterPoster
04-06-2012, 11:46 AM
Anyone else find it amusing how the Cubs find new ways to lose? This is going to be another long year in Chi Town.

Best quote I heard from a Cubs fan about this year's team:

"When you look at the starting lineup, and Soriano isn't even one of the 5 worst players, you know you suck."

membengal
04-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Couldn't begin to get back to Cincy for Opening Day, will have to settle for going to Camden today for O's/Twins.

Reds/Flyers Fan
04-06-2012, 12:06 PM
Same ol' Volquez.

Walking in a run.

Walking in another run.

Complaining, this time about the umpire ("I thought I made some good pitches for strikes and they were called balls," he said after the game.)

I don't care how well he looked in the first three innings. He's looked good in stretches before. I'm thrilled that he's gone.

MikeThierry
04-06-2012, 06:46 PM
I thought that the Brewers would be ok without Fielder. I know it's the first day of the season for them but if Braun isn't hitting, that team is going to have a ton of problems. Their offensive effort looks horrible in today's game.

PuffyPig
04-06-2012, 07:30 PM
I thought that the Brewers would be ok without Fielder. I know it's the first day of the season for them but if Braun isn't hitting, that team is going to have a ton of problems. Their offensive effort looks horrible in today's game.

The had 5 runs on 10 hits, offense wasn't a problem.

Last year they started 0-5 after getting swept by the Reds,before righting themselves and winning their division easily.

One game in baseball means absolutely nothing.

I believe you gave up on the Cards twice last year, and they ended up doing OK IIRC.

Baseball is a marathon, and you're basing your comments on a one foot sprint.

MikeThierry
04-07-2012, 01:44 PM
The had 5 runs on 10 hits, offense wasn't a problem.

Last year they started 0-5 after getting swept by the Reds,before righting themselves and winning their division easily.

One game in baseball means absolutely nothing.

I believe you gave up on the Cards twice last year, and they ended up doing OK IIRC.

Baseball is a marathon, and you're basing your comments on a one foot sprint.

I know it's early but looking at the lineup, it just doesn't have the danger it used to (obviously). After Braun, there are easy outs. Weeks and Hart are nice players but they are players that don't scare me that much.

757690
04-07-2012, 01:47 PM
Mike and PuffyPig have such a great Hepburn-Tracy thing going. It's so cute ;)

MikeThierry
04-07-2012, 02:00 PM
LOL

CTA513
04-07-2012, 02:30 PM
Jimenez with 6 no hit innings for the Indians

RBA
04-07-2012, 03:32 PM
Cubs broadcast, "...Cubs great Jody Davis..." :confused: What does that make Johnny Bench?

RBA
04-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Nats just went ahead of the Cubs in top of the 8th. 5-4.

membengal
04-07-2012, 04:45 PM
Cubs broadcast, "...Cubs great Jody Davis..." :confused: What does that make Johnny Bench?

Bench didn't play for the Cubs, so I guess it would make him a non-Cubs great.

As for the Cubs, the bar for "great" at catcher for them is rather low...

PuffyPig
04-07-2012, 07:07 PM
After Braun, there are easy outs. Weeks and Hart are nice players but they are players that don't scare me that much.

Maybe easy outs, but not for Card pitchers.

They were 4-7 today, with 4 runs, 4 RBI's and 3 HR's.

Boom.

It's early. They've scored 5 runs and 6 runs in two games.

MikeThierry
04-07-2012, 09:53 PM
Check out this HR that Cespedes hit yesterday. This guy is built like Bo Jackson.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/yoenis-cespedes-hits-mammoth-homer-later-acts-sheepish-143158074.html

kaldaniels
04-08-2012, 07:38 PM
Jeff Samarj....a with a dominant start today for the Cubs. 8.2 ip 4 h 0 r

Tony Cloninger
04-08-2012, 09:50 PM
Last time BOS and NYY were 0-3 to start a year was 1966.

They finished next to last and last respectively that year. What a sweet delicious thrill that would be if that happened again. ESPN would be dying if that were to happen.

Joseph
04-08-2012, 10:38 PM
Last time BOS and NYY were 0-3 to start a year was 1966.

They finished next to last and last respectively that year. What a sweet delicious thrill that would be if that happened again. ESPN would be dying if that were to happen.

How great would it be for baseball fans like me though? Great I tell ya, great! Most of the time baseball can use the Yanks or Sox doing well, but every now and then a tank job would be great.

MikeThierry
04-08-2012, 10:44 PM
How great would it be for baseball fans like me though? Great I tell ya, great! Most of the time baseball can use the Yanks or Sox doing well, but every now and then a tank job would be great.

gahh... I want the Yankees to win the AL East, lol.

kaldaniels
04-09-2012, 09:06 AM
nm

LvJ
04-09-2012, 02:52 PM
Austin Kearns is really bad. :(

Gainesville Red
04-09-2012, 03:34 PM
Austin Kearns is really bad. :(

As he goes deep in the top of the 9th. :beerme:

membengal
04-09-2012, 03:59 PM
Not a huge shocker, clearly, but man are the phillies struggling to score runs without howard and utley.

WildcatFan
04-09-2012, 04:57 PM
FYI, dibs on Omar Infante as my favorite player. Two home runs today against Philly. He's 6-for-16 with 3 HR, a triple and a double. Halladay will try to contain him tomorrow. Bet he doesn't sleep tonight.

blumj
04-09-2012, 11:08 PM
Something you don't see every day: 21 year old Blue Jays pitcher Henderson Alvarez relieved by 41 year old Darren Oliver.

elfmanvt07
04-13-2012, 06:17 PM
The Cards have made a mess of this early. 9-0 Cubbies heading into the bottom of the fourth. It's good enough to watch the Redbirds lose, it's another thing entirely to watch them lose in a wholly demoralizing fashion.

CTA513
04-13-2012, 10:47 PM
Saw something surprising when checking out other games on gameday:

Harang: 3 Innings, 1 Hit, 0 Runs, 0 BB, 9 Ks

VottoFan54
04-15-2012, 12:02 AM
Pirates and Giants are tied 3-3 in the bottom of the ninth.

VottoFan54
04-15-2012, 12:02 AM
Giants now have runners at first and third with no outs in the bottom of the ninth.

VottoFan54
04-15-2012, 12:10 AM
Giants win on an error by Clint Barmes in the bottom of the ninth. 4-3.

757690
04-15-2012, 07:45 PM
Just saw the strangest triple play in the Dodger/Padre game.

Runners on first and second, Jose Guzman tries to bunt, but the pitch is headed toward his head. He pulls his bat back for protection, and the ball hits his bat. It first lands in foul territory, then rolls into fair territory. Dale Scott, the home plate ump, first signaled that the ball was foul, then when it rolled into fair territory, he signaled it was fair. The runners, thinking it was foul stayed on their respected bases, and Guzman stayed at home. Ellis, the Dodger catcher, picked it up and threw the ball to third, who then threw it to second, who threw it to first. Triple play.

Crazy.

I'll post a link once it's up on MLB.com

Here's the link

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20650363&query=%26game_pk%3D317870

gilpdawg
04-15-2012, 07:47 PM
Just saw the strangest triple play in the Dodger/Padre game.

Runners on first and second, Jose Guzman tries to bunt, but the pitch is headed toward his head. He pulls his bat back for protection, and the ball hits his bat. It first lands in foul territory, then rolls into fair territory. Dale Scott, the home plate ump, first signaled that the ball was foul, then when it rolled into fair territory, he signaled it was fair. The runners, thinking it was foul stayed on their respected bases, and Guzman stayed at home. Ellis, the Dodger catcher, picked it up and threw the ball to third, who then threw it to second, who threw it to first. Triple play.

Crazy.

I'll post a link once it's up on MLB.com
That was crazy, and a terrible call, IMO.

Edd Roush
04-16-2012, 09:19 AM
That was crazy, and a terrible call, IMO.

Agreed with both of you. As much as I was complaining about Laz Diaz yesterday for being unfair to both teams, that is a gamechanging call made against the Padres and that home plate umpire should be reprimanded. You are taught to stop when the umpire puts his hands up and there is no going back once he makes that gesture.

757690
04-21-2012, 12:45 AM
Another crazy ump call, but this one I agreed with.

In the Phillie/Padre game tonight, Josh Spence, a soft tossing lefty, tossed a 60 MPH curve to Shane Victorino, that Victorino clearly leaned into in order to get hit. The home plate ump, Dan Billino, immediatley called Victorino back and didn't give him first base. A very good call that is rarely called right. A few pitches later, Victorino crushed a homer.

One of the funniest AB's I've seen in awhile.

Tom Servo
04-21-2012, 07:35 PM
The Yankees just put up 7 runs in the 7th and 7 runs in the 8th to go up 15-9 on the Red Sox in one of the most ridiculous games I've ever seen.

membengal
04-21-2012, 08:03 PM
In all seriousness, Bobby V may not last much longer up there.

Tom Servo
04-21-2012, 09:26 PM
AJ Burnett went 7 innings with 3 hits, 2 BB, 5 K's and no runs against STL. About as good as a debut the Buccos could have asked for.

757690
04-21-2012, 11:56 PM
In all seriousness, Bobby V may not last much longer up there.

He just got an official vote of confidence from Cherington, so I give Valentine two weeks.

RedLegsToday
04-22-2012, 08:15 AM
About as good as a debut the Buccos could have asked for.

Through 14 games, there have been 68 runs scored TOTAL in Pirates games.

That's 2.43 runs per team per game.

Tom Servo
04-22-2012, 08:41 PM
Milwaukee lost today and even as bad as we've looked at times, we have the same 7-9 record as they do.

757690
04-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Joe Mather burns his old team and delivers a two out, two run single in the bottom of the ninth to beat the Cardinals 3-2.

forfreelin04
04-23-2012, 11:10 PM
Motte just blew a save and took a loss at Wrigley tonight. He had 2 out with two runners on, Mather singled to center scoring them both! Those closes losses are huge come September...they were 1 strike away from a win

Captain Hook
04-23-2012, 11:11 PM
I like the Cubs when they're beating the Cardinals.Jason Motte blows the save and gets the loss by giving up two runs in in the 9th.

I'm calling a Cubs sweep!!!

MikeThierry
04-23-2012, 11:54 PM
I did not understand the pitch selection. The Cards got rid of Mather for a reason... he was a horrible hitter. Motte throws gas yet gets beat on his worst pitch. Unbelievable.....

defender
04-24-2012, 12:01 AM
Even though the Giants had 2 easy victories, hopefuly the fact they had to play a double header today helps the Reds. They did have to use six relievers to pitch six innings.

fearofpopvol1
04-24-2012, 12:01 AM
I think the Cards lost because the CF was playing way too deep. I mean, Soto was running from 2nd for crying outloud. He's not exactly Michael Bourne.

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 12:05 AM
I think the Cards lost because the CF was playing way too deep. I mean, Soto was running from 2nd for crying outloud. He's not exactly Michael Bourne.

I think they were respecting the epic power of Joe Freaking Mather... haha :lol:

A couple of things in that 9th didn't make any sense to me. Oh well, I'm glad there are 162 of these things to play out on a yearly basis.

757690
04-24-2012, 12:51 AM
I did not understand the pitch selection. The Cards got rid of Mather for a reason... he was a horrible hitter. Motte throws gas yet gets beat on his worst pitch. Unbelievable.....

I think the LaHair AB wore Motte out, but yeah, he hung a slider with two strikes. Big no-no.

PuffyPig
04-24-2012, 07:51 AM
I did not understand the pitch selection. The Cards got rid of Mather for a reason... he was a horrible hitter. Motte throws gas yet gets beat on his worst pitch. Unbelievable.....

The problem with Motte is that his fast ball is pretty straight and if he throws it all the time batters will get locked into it eventually, especially if he throws a lot of pitches in the inning.

And I believe Mike Shannon would refer to that game winning single as good as a "ham sandwich and a coooool frosty one".

At the end of the day Mather hit a ground ball single up the middle. It happens. It's not like he hit a gapper or something.

traderumor
04-24-2012, 02:26 PM
The Cards loss gave me a nice little chuckle before bedtime last night. I had followed the bottom of the 8th on mlb gameday, gave up and went to bed, only to check in one last time on my mobile device before turning off the light. :beerme:

Kc61
04-24-2012, 10:09 PM
Cubs up 1-0 over Cards top 8. Until Matt Holliday homers. 2-1 Cards.

Homer Bailey
04-24-2012, 10:32 PM
Holliday HR in the 8th. Cards lead 2-1.

Chip R
04-24-2012, 10:34 PM
Cubs up 1-0 over Cards top 8. Until Matt Holliday homers. 2-1 Cards.

That's how the Cubs do.

Gainesville Red
04-24-2012, 10:35 PM
Marmol Marmoled.

Kc61
04-24-2012, 10:56 PM
Cubs tie the game on a homer in the ninth by LeHair.

OesterPoster
04-24-2012, 10:57 PM
Cubbies have tied it in the 9th on a LaHair HR.

OesterPoster
04-24-2012, 11:01 PM
I think Matheny is clueless. Runners on corners now, and he's finally changing pitchers.

OesterPoster
04-24-2012, 11:25 PM
Horrible call on the Campana steal, and Matheny got tossed.

WVRedsFan
04-24-2012, 11:31 PM
Cubs win. Cubs win. Reds gain ground.

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 11:32 PM
Umpires 3, Cardinals 2

Absolutely atrocious umpiring tonight.

757690
04-24-2012, 11:32 PM
Cards blow another one. This one on a hot shot to 2B Greene, who does his bull fighter impression.

Reds now in second place. 2.5 games out of first.

powersackers
04-24-2012, 11:34 PM
Cards blow another one. This one on a hot shot to 2B Greene, who does his bull fighter impression.

Reds now in second place. 2.5 games out of first.

MLW won, were in third place 2.5 out.

PuffyPig
04-24-2012, 11:37 PM
Umpires 3, Cardinals 2

Absolutely atrocious umpiring tonight.

Maybe Umpires 1, Cards 2, Cubs 2.

But did the umpires give up the HR in the 9th to tie the game?

Brutus
04-24-2012, 11:37 PM
Umpires 3, Cardinals 2

Absolutely atrocious umpiring tonight.

The umpires didn't give up the opposite field blast to LaHair to force extras.

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 11:39 PM
The umpires didn't give up the opposite field blast to LaHair to force extras.

Yes, but they called a player safe at home when he didn't touch the plate and was gunned down in right field by Carlos Beltran earlier in the game. That botched call at second was the least of the blown calls tonight.

Brutus
04-24-2012, 11:41 PM
Yes, but they called a player safe at home when he didn't touch the plate and was gunned down in right field by Carlos Beltran earlier in the game. That botched call at second was the least of the blown calls tonight.

Doesn't matter. If you have a 2-1 lead and have a chance to finish the game off, you can't blame umpires when you don't get it done.

The Cardinals just had to get three more outs in the 9th inning and they win the game regardless of those calls. That's their fault, not the men in blue.

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 11:42 PM
Maybe Umpires 1, Cards 2, Cubs 2.

But did the umpires give up the HR in the 9th to tie the game?

In your scenario, it would be Umpires 2, Cards 2, Cubs 1 That play earlier in the game was one of the worst calls I have seen in years. Only that play last year between the Braves and Pirates was worse.

WVRedsFan
04-24-2012, 11:43 PM
Yes, but they called a player safe at home when he didn't touch the plate and was gunned down in right field by Carlos Beltran earlier in the game. That botched call at second was the least of the blown calls tonight.Lots of blown calls tonight. It's the human condition. And that's baseball. Umpires are the Great Satan. As it should be.

But, we're coming...

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 11:43 PM
Doesn't matter. If you have a 2-1 lead and have a chance to finish the game off, you can't blame umpires when you don't get it done.

The Cardinals just had to get three more outs in the 9th inning and they win the game regardless of those calls. That's their fault, not the men in blue.

I'm sorry, it is their fault if they are giving runs to the other team. You would feel the same way if it happened to the Reds.

WVRedsFan
04-24-2012, 11:46 PM
I'm sorry, it is their fault if they are giving runs to the other team. You would feel the same way if it happened to the Reds.You're right of course. It's tough to lose that way, but it happens a lot it seems. I'd still rather have the human element over the robo umpiring. It's part of the game.

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 11:50 PM
You're right of course. It's tough to lose that way, but it happens a lot it seems. I'd still rather have the human element over the robo umpiring. It's part of the game.

I'm in total favor of replay. Obviously not in balls and strikes but with umpires like Angel Hernandez, C.B. Bucknor, Joe West, and Bob Davidson; their "human element" is a disgrace to the umpiring profession. I'm sure there is a way replay can be implemented within the game without having it slow down the game much.

The Operator
04-24-2012, 11:50 PM
I'm sorry, it is their fault if they are giving runs to the other team. You would feel the same way if it happened to the Reds.It did very recently, were you watching when Drew Stubbs was "thrown out" trying to reach 3rd base against The Cardinals when the replay showed he was safe by about 10 football fields?

Blown calls tend to even out over the course of the year.

Brutus
04-24-2012, 11:52 PM
I'm sorry, it is their fault if they are giving runs to the other team. You would feel the same way if it happened to the Reds.

Being upset at a missed call and blaming the loss on the missed call are two different things. So no, I would not feel as you do now. Baseball games are dynamic. Bad calls happen within the framework of a series of events. The great thing is despite bad calls, there are opportunities to change the dynamic by getting a hit here or a run there, or rather simply getting outs.

Blaming a human for a loss because the dynamic of a game was changed slightly by a call or two completely ignores that your favorite team had a chance to overcome the series of events by simply making plays. It's classic displacement of emotions. Easier to blame a third party than admit defeat.

757690
04-24-2012, 11:55 PM
I'm sorry, it is their fault if they are giving runs to the other team. You would feel the same way if it happened to the Reds.

I understand how you feel, however, Umpires blow calls all the time. Good teams overcome bad calls, bad weather, bad luck, etc or don't put themselves in situations where these things matter.

I complain about bad umpiring all the time, but I have never said an umpire lost a game, because they don't. Teams lose games.

757690
04-24-2012, 11:57 PM
I'm in total favor of replay. Obviously not in balls and strikes but with umpires like Angel Hernandez, C.B. Bucknor, Joe West, and Bob Davidson; their "human element" is a disgrace to the umpiring profession. I'm sure there is a way replay can be implemented within the game without having it slow down the game much.

Well. At least you know who the usual suspects are, though you left out Laz Diaz. :thumbup:

kaldaniels
04-24-2012, 11:57 PM
It did very recently, were you watching when Drew Stubbs was "thrown out" trying to reach 3rd base against The Cardinals when the replay showed he was safe by about 10 football fields?

Blown calls tend to even out over the course of the year.

Nice call Operator. Had Mike railed against that, he would have credibility on the issue...but alas...

Seriously Mike, you are a good guy, but what do you expect on a Reds board when you complain the umpire breaks didn't go the Cards way?

MikeThierry
04-24-2012, 11:58 PM
Being upset at a missed call and blaming the loss on the missed call are two different things. So no, I would not feel as you do now.

Ok, well I am blaming the loss on a missed call because it had a direct impact on the game going forward. You're right, the ump didn't stop the Cards from giving up an opo taco to Lehair. Still, if the right, clear call was made earlier in the game, the Cards would have still been up 2-1 in the game at that point. Also, the pitching matchups may have been different if they were up 2-0 rather than 2-1. There is a whole set of scenarios that could have taken place being up two runs rather than up just one run.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2012, 11:58 PM
Yes, but they called a player safe at home when he didn't touch the plate and was gunned down in right field by Carlos Beltran earlier in the game. That botched call at second was the least of the blown calls tonight.

Now you know how the Reds felt when Stubbs was called out at third base last week against the Cards when he was clearly safe. Without that pitiful call, Reds may have scored a run there and it wouldn't have went extra innings.

kaldaniels
04-24-2012, 11:59 PM
Ok, well I am blaming the loss on a missed call because it had a direct impact on the game going forward. You're right, the ump didn't stop the Cards from giving up an opo taco to Lehair. Still, if the right, clear call was made earlier in the game, the Cards would have still been up 2-1 in the game at that point. Also, the pitching matchups may have been different if they were up 2-0 rather than 2-1. There is a whole set of scenarios that could have taken place being up two runs rather than up just one run.

And if Stubbs was on third.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2012, 12:00 AM
Looks like The Operator beat me to the punch on the Stubbs call.

MikeThierry
04-25-2012, 12:01 AM
Now you know how the Reds felt when Stubbs was called out at third base last week against the Cards when he was clearly safe. Without that pitiful call, Reds may have scored a run there and it wouldn't have went extra innings.

I understand this point. From what I remember, it was a close play and Stubbs looked safe. However, it's slightly different because it wasn't a play at the plate. Stubbs being safe at third had no direct impact on the score. If Stubbs was safe, which he probably was, there is no guarantee that the Reds drive him in. What happened tonight directly determined the score of the game.

kaldaniels
04-25-2012, 12:05 AM
I understand this point. From what I remember, it was a close play and Stubbs looked safe. However, it's slightly different because it wasn't a play at the plate. Stubbs being safe at third had no direct impact on the score. If Stubbs was safe, which he probably was, there is no guarantee that the Reds drive him in. What happened at the night directly determined the score at of the game.

It directly hurt the Reds chances to win. As did the call at second tonight for the Cards.

MikeThierry
04-25-2012, 12:13 AM
It directly hurt the Reds chances to win. As did the call at second tonight for the Cards.

Missing that call at third didn't directly put a run on the board unlike what happened in tonight's game. Mehh... I'll get over it. It's just maddening to see officiating be so bad. This isn't the NHL for god sakes.

Brutus
04-25-2012, 12:14 AM
Cardinals had six plate appearances with a runner in scoring position and didn't pick up a single hit.

But instead, it's the umpire's fault because the Cubs scored the first run that should have been an out.

Think about that for a second... instead of blaming the Cardinals for not scoring in any of the six chances they had to get a run, it's the umpire's fault for allowing the one Cubs run in the freakin' first inning!

The Operator
04-25-2012, 12:16 AM
Missing that call at third didn't directly put a run on the board unlike what happened in tonight's game. Mehh... I'll get over it. It's just maddening to see officiating be so bad. This isn't the NHL for god sakes.Maybe not, but having a runner at 3rd with 1 out is a lot different than 2 outs and no runner at 3rd.

In general I agree that the umpiring has been awful for a while now, but I've always been the type who goes by the mantra that you just can't put yourself in a position to let the umps cost you a game.

kaldaniels
04-25-2012, 12:17 AM
Missing that call at third didn't directly put a run on the board unlike what happened in tonight's game. Mehh... I'll get over it. It's just maddening to see officiating be so bad. This isn't the NHL for god sakes.

You just have to tell yourself it all evens out over the year. Hard to stomach though, I agree.

MikeThierry
04-25-2012, 12:21 AM
Cardinals had six plate appearances with a runner in scoring position and didn't pick up a single hit.

But instead, it's the umpire's fault because the Cubs scored the first run that should have been an out.

Think about that for a second... instead of blaming the Cardinals for not scoring in any of the six chances they had to get a run, it's the umpire's fault for allowing the one Cubs run in the freakin' first inning!

I never said I wasn't angry at the Cards for not being able to score runs nor did I ever say I wasn't angry for Butters bobbling a ball in extra innings that lead to the winning run. Believe me, I'm angry at the Cards lack of situational hitting this whole road trip. All that said, it is the fault of the umpire for not making a clear and obvious call. The Cardinals clearly had plenty of chances to do damage but it still doesn't excuse bad umpiring.

Brutus
04-25-2012, 12:23 AM
If you actually kept track of all the calls umpires make in a year, their success rate is pretty darn good.

Remember, MLB does keep track (at least as far as the strike zone is concerned). Some of the better umpires are grading out at 96% consistently with the balls and strikes. The 50/50 calls on the bases are always going to be bang-bang and it's impossible to be consistent.

Missing a call is hardly "bad" umpiring. I think fans need to stop and consider what it would be like to be in a position to have to make those calls.

MikeThierry
04-25-2012, 12:25 AM
If you actually kept track of all the calls umpires make in a year, their success rate is pretty darn good.

Remember, MLB does keep track (at least as far as the strike zone is concerned). Some of the better umpires are grading out at 96% consistently with the balls and strikes. The 50/50 calls on the bases are always going to be bang-bang and it's impossible to be consistent.

Hence why they need replay on those plays.

kaldaniels
04-25-2012, 12:27 AM
Mike you say the call at home was definitely wrong today, but you only say Stubbs was probably safe. Do you care to amend either?

MikeThierry
04-25-2012, 12:30 AM
Mike you say the call at home was definitely wrong today, but you only say Stubbs was probably safe. Do you care to amend either?

No. From what I remember of the Stubbs play, it was kind of bang bang. One angle he looked safe, the other angle it looks like Freese may have got a quick tag on him. The situation tonight was something in which the player missed the plate entirely. Not only was he clearly thrown out at the plate but he didn't even touch the plate to begin with.

Brutus
04-25-2012, 12:34 AM
http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2012/04/17/9f7d1841-c200-48d4-a921-696daec8a27fnews.ap.org_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5 879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799

MikeThierry
04-25-2012, 12:35 AM
http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2012/04/17/9f7d1841-c200-48d4-a921-696daec8a27fnews.ap.org_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5 879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799

well at least he touched the bag, lol

PuffyPig
04-25-2012, 08:10 AM
Yes, but they called a player safe at home when he didn't touch the plate and was gunned down in right field by Carlos Beltran earlier in the game. That botched call at second was the least of the blown calls tonight.

You seem to forget that Molina never tagged the runner either. The runner eventually touched the plate. Hard to argue a runner was out when he was never tagged in the first place.

traderumor
04-25-2012, 09:38 AM
Baseball is a cruel, cruel sport. Last week, the Cards are looking like a juggernaut, now they can't score against the Cubs. And the "pitiful" Reds just put up 9 runs on a Matt Cain pitched game by working the starter out of the game and then dropping the hammer on a young reliever. Don't look now, they've won 4 of 5.

Man, I love this game. All amusement parks can offer is a two minute thrill ride that lasts for a day, the MLB roller coaster lasts for 6 months!

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2012, 09:57 AM
Well, I've watched that play at home in the Cubs/Cards game several times and I think he was safe. Simply because Molina never touched him. He missed the plate sliding in, but he also avoided Molina's mitt. He then touched home after standing up. If Molina hadn't just started arguing and tagged him, I'd agree he was out. But he missed the tag IMO.

oneupper
04-25-2012, 10:07 AM
Well, I've watched that play at home in the Cubs/Cards game several times and I think he was safe. Simply because Molina never touched him. He missed the plate sliding in, but he also avoided Molina's mitt. He then touched home after standing up. If Molina hadn't just started arguing and tagged him, I'd agree he was out. But he missed the tag IMO.

There are no "safe, then out" calls at home plate, unlike the other bases, where the runner can overslide, make a turn, etc. Umps are trained to not make any call until they see that the runner touches the plate. If the ump made the safe call, then its because he perceived that the runner touched the plate without being tagged.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2012, 10:14 AM
Oh, I know. I wasn't implying that they'd change the call or anything. Just stating my opinion on what I saw.

Homer Bailey
04-25-2012, 10:29 AM
Shocking that the scoreboard watching thread turned into the Cardinals excuse making thread. Yet again.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2012, 10:52 AM
Shocking that the scoreboard watching thread turned into the Cardinals excuse making thread. Yet again.

If this were Facebook I would like this post.

CTA513
04-25-2012, 06:22 PM
Konerko hit HR #400 today in the 9th to tie the game

MikeThierry
04-28-2012, 01:20 AM
Scott Hairston gets a cycle yet the Mets lose 18-9. Is this the NFL?

PuffyPig
04-29-2012, 05:12 PM
Cards blow a chance to tie the game in the 9th, losing 3-2.

They had runners on 1st and 3rd no outs, with Freeses and Molina up.

Freese strikes out, and with Molina up with a 0-2 count, the Cards have Beltran running on the pitch, and the strike him out throw him out (after the rundown) ends it for the Cards.

MikeThierry
04-29-2012, 05:20 PM
Cards blow a chance to tie the game in the 9th, losing 3-2.

They had runners on 1st and 3rd no outs, with Freeses and Molina up.

Freese strikes out, and with Molina up with a 0-2 count, the Cards have Beltran running on the pitch, and the strike him out throw him out (after the rundown) ends it for the Cards.

This game signifies why I hate the hit and run in situations where teams have to score to win or go into extra innings. I haven't looked at the advanced metrics but I'm willing to bet it's a low percentage play. It forces batters at the plate to alter their approach and swing. Molina strikes out on a pitch that he normally doesn't swing at.

traderumor
04-29-2012, 07:10 PM
Cards blow a chance to tie the game in the 9th, losing 3-2.

They had runners on 1st and 3rd no outs, with Freeses and Molina up.

Freese strikes out, and with Molina up with a 0-2 count, the Cards have Beltran running on the pitch, and the strike him out throw him out (after the rundown) ends it for the Cards.
That's a shame :D

PuffyPig
04-29-2012, 07:55 PM
This game signifies why I hate the hit and run in situations where teams have to score to win or go into extra innings. I haven't looked at the advanced metrics but I'm willing to bet it's a low percentage play. It forces batters at the plate to alter their approach and swing. Molina strikes out on a pitch that he normally doesn't swing at.

The Cards were obviously trying to stay out of a DP with the slow footed Molina at bat, but running on a 0-2 pitch is just plain stupid with Axeford on the mound. You should only do that when you're pretty sure a strike is coming.

LvJ
04-30-2012, 01:38 PM
Just taking a peak at the Marlins/DBacks game and I noticed two things.

1. Jose Reyes is really sucking so far.
2. Austin Kearns and Omar Infante is hitting 4th and 5th ahead of Stanton and Sanchez. Odd.

WebScorpion
04-30-2012, 09:04 PM
Konerko hit HR #400 today in the 9th to tie the gameHey, where's those dudes who insisted we shoulda traded Casey instead of Konerko? See, if we still had him hanging on there'd be no Joey Votto! :eek: :lol:

Brutus
04-30-2012, 11:14 PM
Just taking a peak at the Marlins/DBacks game and I noticed two things.

1. Jose Reyes is really sucking so far.
2. Austin Kearns and Omar Infante is hitting 4th and 5th ahead of Stanton and Sanchez. Odd.

This clearly means Jocketty isn't doing his job and Dusty should be fired.

redsmetz
05-01-2012, 05:17 AM
Guess this is a good place to post this. Ryan Braun hit three home runs last night, in of all places, Petco Field. What struck me about this film clip though, is that the nearly empty ballpark seems to be inundated with Brewers fans - at least when we have the Cubs or Cards in, it's filling the place out. He clobbered the 2nd & 3rd balls into the Industrial Supply section of the park.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21058403&topic_id=11493214&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_21058403&v=3

757690
05-01-2012, 07:47 AM
Guess this is a good place to post this. Ryan Braun hit three home runs last night, in of all places, Petco Field. What struck me about this film clip though, is that the nearly empty ballpark seems to be inundated with Brewers fans - at least when we have the Cubs or Cards in, it's filling the place out. He clobbered the 2nd & 3rd balls into the Industrial Supply section of the park.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21058403&topic_id=11493214&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_21058403&v=3

They must not be testing this week ;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-01-2012, 11:28 AM
That second dinger was incredible. One of the deepest HR's I've ever seen. Anybody know the estimated distance on that puppy?

~edit~ the MLB article said the second one was 408 feet. I'm sorry, I ain't buyin' that for a second. That's not even CLOSE to correct.

dougdirt
05-01-2012, 11:39 AM
That second dinger was incredible. One of the deepest HR's I've ever seen. Anybody know the estimated distance on that puppy?

~edit~ the MLB article said the second one was 408 feet. I'm sorry, I ain't buyin' that for a second. That's not even CLOSE to correct.

It was pretty close. Officially, 416 feet according to hittrackeronline.com (http://hittrackeronline.com/hrdetail.php?id=2012_636)

CTA513
05-02-2012, 09:38 PM
AJ Burnett tonight for the Pirates: 2 2/3rds innings, 12 Hits, 12 Runs, 1 BB, 2 K

:laugh:

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-02-2012, 10:51 PM
AJ Burnett tonight for the Pirates: 2 2/3rds innings, 12 Hits, 12 Runs, 1 BB, 2 K

:laugh:

He'll throw a 2-hit shutout at us later this summer.

MikeThierry
05-03-2012, 11:26 AM
AJ Burnett tonight for the Pirates: 2 2/3rds innings, 12 Hits, 12 Runs, 1 BB, 2 K

:laugh:

I was watching the MLB Network and they said it was literally one of the worst starts since they started keeping track of earned runs. Only some guy who played for Cleveland in 1929 had a worse start. That guy gave up 14 runs in 3 innings.

757690
05-03-2012, 12:19 PM
I was watching the MLB Network and they said it was literally one of the worst starts since they started keeping track of earned runs. Only some guy who played for Cleveland in 1929 had a worse start. That guy gave up 14 runs in 3 innings.

Burnett may have given up more runs, but this is the worst start to a game by a starter I have ever witnessed. 2/3 of an inning, four HR's. Ahhhhh, the Glory Days ;)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200305280.shtml

MikeThierry
05-03-2012, 12:21 PM
Burnett may have given up more runs, but this is the worst start to a game by a starter I have ever witnessed. 2/3 of an inning, four HR's. Ahhhhh, the Glory Days ;)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200305280.shtml

LOL Holy bleep that's bad. ouch..

Anyway, last night was a great night in baseball. A no-hitter, 2 players with 7 RBI's, so many walk off wins, Chipper proving once again why I love the dude. This is why I love baseball! :beerme:

10xWSChamps
05-04-2012, 08:59 PM
Matt Holliday is starting to heat up

blumj
05-04-2012, 10:20 PM
Burnett may have given up more runs, but this is the worst start to a game by a starter I have ever witnessed. 2/3 of an inning, four HR's. Ahhhhh, the Glory Days ;)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200305280.shtml

This one was memorable. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200306270.shtml

Okay, it's 2 pitchers, but it's not every day you see a game start 0 IP, 10 H, 11 R.

_Sir_Charles_
05-04-2012, 10:25 PM
This one came to mind immediately. http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280624114

Arroyo vs. Blue Jays (2008)

1.0 ip / 11 hits / 10 runs / 3 hr's

He then followed that up the following year against the Blue Jays with this beauty. http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=290624114

3.2 ip / 8 hits / 7 runs / 3 hr's

I was scared to death the next time he pitched against them. He did well, but these 2 games were all I could think about the whole time.

Tom Servo
05-04-2012, 10:33 PM
This one came to mind immediately. http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280624114

Arroyo vs. Blue Jays (2008)

1.0 ip / 11 hits / 10 runs / 3 hr's

Oh man, I remember that game. My parents, my sister, and I had literally moved from New Jersey to North Carolina a day or two before and I was thrilled to find out the Reds are considered a home team in Charlotte. So I sit down with excitement to watch my first game as a full-time Reds viewer, and it's THAT game. :bash:

757690
05-04-2012, 11:33 PM
Cards lose to the Astros 5-4. In the ninth, Jay doesn't run out a bloop to second, so Altuve lets it drop and turns it into a double play.

dougdirt
05-05-2012, 12:17 AM
Albert Pujols - .194

757690
05-05-2012, 01:15 AM
Albert Pujols - .194

Only Michael Bourne has more AB's this season without a HR.

Edd Roush
05-05-2012, 10:56 AM
Wasn't there a game in 2005 where Paul Wilson gave up 10 R without getting an out? Great game to bring a date to haha.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-05-2012, 11:54 AM
Albert Pujols - .194

Someone is going to pay dearly, and soon. At least you would think. And my guess is when Pujols starts facing that comfy National League pitching in a couple of weeks there will be some baseballs lost. Beware: Padres, D'backs, Rockies, Dodgers and Giants. I bet Albert can't wait to get to Coors Field.

LvJ
05-05-2012, 12:02 PM
Jorge Cantu is now a free agent. Just sayin.

757690
05-05-2012, 12:07 PM
Someone is going to pay dearly, and soon. At least you would think. And my guess is when Pujols starts facing that comfy National League pitching in a couple of weeks there will be some baseballs lost. Beware: Padres, D'backs, Rockies, Dodgers and Giants. I bet Albert can't wait to get to Coors Field.

I think it's Arte Moreno that's paying dearly, and will be for quite some time. ;)

DGullett35
05-05-2012, 12:20 PM
Pujols will turn it around but the numbers he will put up this year will be nowhere near worth 20 mil. .275, 25HR, and 80-90 RBI is what I would think he could achieve at this point. Angels fans are already booing him which I find hilarious.:lol:

VR
05-05-2012, 12:23 PM
Someone is going to pay dearly, and soon. At least you would think. And my guess is when Pujols starts facing that comfy National League pitching in a couple of weeks there will be some baseballs lost. Beware: Padres, D'backs, Rockies, Dodgers and Giants. I bet Albert can't wait to get to Coors Field.

I had to check to make sure the Halo's weren't playing the Reds this year....as that would surely be a slumpbuster for Albert.

LvJ
05-05-2012, 01:26 PM
I had to share this:

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21168099&topic_id=11493214&c_id=col

Wilin Rosario is a catcher. This is his first time playing third base ever professionally. He came in on a double switch. The Colorado bench was depleted. Check that out.

Vottomatic
05-05-2012, 05:05 PM
I had to share this:

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21168099&topic_id=11493214&c_id=col

Wilin Rosario is a catcher. This is his first time playing third base ever professionally. He came in on a double switch. The Colorado bench was depleted. Check that out.

Great play, but the runner looked safe to me.

gilpdawg
05-05-2012, 06:04 PM
Someone is going to pay dearly, and soon. At least you would think. And my guess is when Pujols starts facing that comfy National League pitching in a couple of weeks there will be some baseballs lost. Beware: Padres, D'backs, Rockies, Dodgers and Giants. I bet Albert can't wait to get to Coors Field.

Pujols not in today's lineup.

PuffyPig
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Garcia walked the based loaded, then hung a slider on a 0-2 count and Chris Johnson hit a grand slam.

He threw 40 pitches in the first inning, half for strikes, as his ERA went from 2.73 to 3.82.

Good examplr of not relying too much on small sample sizes, as players tend to regress to to their norms over larger sample sizes.

_Sir_Charles_
05-05-2012, 10:05 PM
Am I the only who absolutely loves seeing the Yankees and Red Sox at the BOTTOM of the AL East? *snicker* :thumbup:

VottoFan54
05-05-2012, 11:00 PM
Adam Dunn hit a go ahead 2 run HR in the top of the ninth to give the White Sox a 3-2 lead. He now has a .915 OPS (before May 5 game) and has 8 HR (after May 5 game) this year. His average is still a little low at .250 (after May 5 game) but his walk rate has risen to a typical Adam Dunn level. It's great to see Dunn bounce back. :clap:

Tom Servo
05-06-2012, 01:08 AM
Wow, Giancarlo Stanton doing his Jay Bruce impression by heating up and homering seemingly every day over the last week.

dougdirt
05-06-2012, 01:11 AM
Wow, Giancarlo Stanton doing his Jay Bruce impression by heating up and homering seemingly every day over the last week.

He is probably finally healthy at this point.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Marathon game going on in Boston between the Orioles and Red Sox. Game is headed to the 17th as the Orioles cut down a runner at the plate to end the 16th.

Game has been going on almost 6 hours

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2012, 07:27 PM
Darnell McDonald a Red Sox outfielder is in to pitch the 17th

VottoFan54
05-06-2012, 07:28 PM
Marathon game going on in Boston between the Orioles and Red Sox. Game is headed to the 17th as the Orioles cut down a runner at the plate to end the 16th.

Game has been going on almost 6 hours

The Orioles DH, Chris Davis, just threw a shutout inning and got a strikeout on Jarrod Saltalamacchia. He is 0-7 on the day. I think the Red Sox are bringing in a position player to pitch as well.

EDIT: The Red Sox brought in former Red Darnell McDonald

VottoFan54
05-06-2012, 07:32 PM
The Orioles got a runner (Betemit) but he was caught stealing. Why would you give away outs with Darnell McDonald on the mound?

OldRightHander
05-06-2012, 07:33 PM
Adam Jones just hit a three run shot in the top of the 17th.

OldRightHander
05-06-2012, 07:38 PM
San Fran has the bases loaded in the 11th with one out. Could do the Reds a favor here.

dougdirt
05-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Chris Davis is awesome.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2012, 07:47 PM
Davis went 0 for 8 with 5 strikeouts but pitches 2 scoreless innings for the win

membengal
05-06-2012, 07:50 PM
That was really, REALLY cool. They are pumped about baseball here in Baltimore for the first time in a LONG LONG time.

VottoFan54
05-06-2012, 07:59 PM
That pitch Davis threw to Adrian Gonzalez to get the strikeout was an above average pitch.

gilpdawg
05-06-2012, 08:03 PM
San Fran has the bases loaded in the 11th with one out. Could do the Reds a favor here.

And Axford doesn't even get in the game. Why have these guys if you won't use them? Oh, but they are saving him for a save situation. THAT IS THE DUMBEST THING IN THE GAME TODAY! Are you trying to win the game or get a guy his numbers?

Tom Servo
05-06-2012, 08:13 PM
That was really, REALLY cool. They are pumped about baseball here in Baltimore for the first time in a LONG LONG time.
I think they have the hitting to compete, the question is if their pitchers will hold up when the Red Sox and Yankees hitters heat up.

VottoFan54
05-06-2012, 08:37 PM
Now the Cubbies and Dodgers are in the 11th inning. Darwin Barney is on second with no outs in the bottom of the inning. Welington Castillo was then intentionally walked. Jeff Samardzija is pinch hitting for Baker to bunt the runners over.

VottoFan54
05-06-2012, 08:39 PM
The pitcher hits Samardzija and the bases are loaded with no out. There is still a chance that the Cubbies find a way to lose.

Chip R
05-06-2012, 11:31 PM
And Axford doesn't even get in the game. Why have these guys if you won't use them? Oh, but they are saving him for a save situation. THAT IS THE DUMBEST THING IN THE GAME TODAY! Are you trying to win the game or get a guy his numbers?

See. Dusty's not the only manager who does this.

HeatherC1212
05-07-2012, 12:33 AM
I love that the Orioles are playing with such passion and enthusiasm this year. The Baltimore fans deserve this after so many years of struggling and I hope they can have a great overall season. Go O's!! :D

membengal
05-07-2012, 05:45 AM
I think they have the hitting to compete, the question is if their pitchers will hold up when the Red Sox and Yankees hitters heat up.

I have been here for 3 years now. Interest in the Orioles from what was once a baseball town had been completely dead. I think the goal from the die-hards I know is to see if they can get to 82-80 first. Every game now gets them closer to that goal. It has been 14 seasons since they finished over .500. Competing for the playoffs would be nice for everyone here, but...baby steps.

In any event, even though just 28 games in, I am glad for people here that the O's have the best record in baseball. It might be fleeting, but they haven't had much of anything to be happy about for a long time.

PuffyPig
05-07-2012, 07:35 AM
See. Dusty's not the only manager who does this.

Actually most managers will do so, unless they are going to pitch the closer two innings.

Since your team will need to score anyway to win, the theory is to save your closer to pitch the last inning after you will score. If the Brewers had pitched Axford and he pitched a scoreless inning, they still would have had to bring in Dillard for the save and lost it anyway.

Now, if you will pitch Axford two inings, he should be brought in to pitch right away.

cumberlandreds
05-07-2012, 07:40 AM
That was really, REALLY cool. They are pumped about baseball here in Baltimore for the first time in a LONG LONG time.

Beltway World Series? ;)

membengal
05-07-2012, 08:22 AM
Beltway World Series? ;)

Talk about end of days scenarios...

RedlegJake
05-07-2012, 06:51 PM
I feel for the Baltimore fans. No way they'll keep this up but I hope they go over .500 and make strides toward returning to form. Having the Reds and the Orioles in the thick of things feels so natural to me but I know I am spoiled by when I came of age.

_Sir_Charles_
05-07-2012, 07:44 PM
I love that the Orioles are playing with such passion and enthusiasm this year. The Baltimore fans deserve this after so many years of struggling and I hope they can have a great overall season. Go O's!! :D

Agree. They're my favorite AL team and I always pull for them (unless they're playing my Reds). I've been a fan of theirs since the days of Brooks. By far, my favorite non-Red.

Ghosts of 1990
05-07-2012, 11:47 PM
So I had Lance Lynn starting for me tonight in my fantasy league. I'll sacrifice that win happily if the Cardinals blow this and the Dbacks come back (7-4 Cards in the 6th).

Ghosts of 1990
05-07-2012, 11:48 PM
And it's 7-5 Dbacks.

Also, Ted Lilly is stingy as can be this season!

Ghosts of 1990
05-08-2012, 12:00 AM
7-6 Cardinals make that.

WebScorpion
05-08-2012, 12:10 AM
7-6 Cardinals make that.Augh! The Cards lead off the 7th with back-to-back homers. 9-6 Cards.:(

10xWSChamps
05-08-2012, 02:01 AM
I know it's early, but it's surprising to see Lance Lynn, Jonny Cueto and Jared Weaver leading the MLB pitching charts

Matt Cain would be up there if the Giants didn't screw him so often!

PuffyPig
05-08-2012, 07:54 AM
I know it's early, but it's surprising to see Lance Lynn, Jonny Cueto and Jared Weaver leading the MLB pitching charts

Matt Cain would be up there if the Giants didn't screw him so often!

Cueto and Weaver are excellent pitchers, no surprise there.

_Sir_Charles_
05-08-2012, 08:27 AM
I guess Lance Lynn is this year's Garcia for the cards. Good lord, he's got to come crashing back to earth....right?

757690
05-08-2012, 08:49 AM
I guess Lance Lynn is this year's Garcia for the cards. Good lord, he's got to come crashing back to earth....right?

.209 BABIB, 93.8% LOB. So yeah, he is likely to come crashing back to earth, especially when you factor in that this is his first trip around the league. Kyle McClellan started off just as hot last season.

MikeThierry
05-08-2012, 12:42 PM
.209 BABIB, 93.8% LOB. So yeah, he is likely to come crashing back to earth, especially when you factor in that this is his first trip around the league. Kyle McClellan started off just as hot last season.

To be fair to Lance Lynn, Kyle McClellan relies on finesse to get guys out while Lynn has nastier stuff and strikes out a lot of people. Lance Lynn's fastball is light years better than McClellan's.

I made this last night:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1377/rocksmall.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/rocksmall.jpg/)

Patrick Bateman
05-08-2012, 12:45 PM
To be fair to Lance Lynn, Kyle McClellan relies on finesse to get guys out while Lynn has nastier stuff and strikes out a lot of people.

Yes, he has pitched very well so far... but not on par with his minor league track record. I think it's fair to expect that he begins pitching worse, but I agree with you, he desrves a lot of the success he has had to date.

dougdirt
05-08-2012, 12:45 PM
To be fair to Lance Lynn, Kyle McClellan relies on finesse to get guys out while Lynn has nastier stuff and strikes out a lot of people.

You can be fair all you want, a .209 BABIP and 94% strand rate aren't going to come close to lasting.

MikeThierry
05-08-2012, 12:47 PM
You can be fair all you want, a .209 BABIP and 94% strand rate aren't going to come close to lasting.

No question. I didn't even expect this from him. I was more expecting a guy who could give them 6-7 innings with an ERA about 3.50 or higher.

PuffyPig
05-08-2012, 02:25 PM
No question. I didn't even expect this from him. I was more expecting a guy who could give them 6-7 innings with an ERA about 3.50 or higher.

When Lynn went to the bullpen, his stuff got better since he was pitching 1 inning stints.

He seems to have maintained that velocity since he went back to starting.

His FIP and xFIP are still in the high 2's, so he's been pitchuing quite well.

10xWSChamps
05-08-2012, 04:51 PM
Yes, he has pitched very well so far... but not on par with his minor league track record. I think it's fair to expect that he begins pitching worse, but I agree with you, he desrves a lot of the success he has had to date.

Lynn did extremely well last year in the majors and is still young, so I don't think it's completely out of line to think that he could be doing this well and it's not just luck.

He's pitched very, very well. His stats so far aren't all luck. Now will he keep this up and win the Cy Young? Probably not, but he should have a damn fine year.

His K/BB ratio is still extremely high, he's a great strikeout pitcher and is continuing what he did last year. He'll come back down to earth, but he won't crash down!

The Cardinals may have benefited a bit with Carp being out. Once he's back Lynn can push someone out of the rotation, but that'll be a hard choice as to who goes. The Cardinals have a great rotation and the bullpen, which is doing well, will get another boost.

dougdirt
05-08-2012, 05:23 PM
Lynn did extremely well last year in the majors and is still young, so I don't think it's completely out of line to think that he could be doing this well and it's not just luck.

He's pitched very, very well. His stats so far aren't all luck. Now will he keep this up and win the Cy Young? Probably not, but he should have a damn fine year.

His K/BB ratio is still extremely high, he's a great strikeout pitcher and is continuing what he did last year. He'll come back down to earth, but he won't crash down!

The Cardinals may have benefited a bit with Carp being out. Once he's back Lynn can push someone out of the rotation, but that'll be a hard choice as to who goes. The Cardinals have a great rotation and the bullpen, which is doing well, will get another boost.
His stats are lucky. You don't post a 93% strand rate without luck. You don't post a .200 BABIP without luck. He has pitched very well. He hasn't pitched as well as his stats indicate.

MikeThierry
05-08-2012, 05:55 PM
His stats are lucky. You don't post a 93% strand rate without luck. You don't post a .200 BABIP without luck. He has pitched very well. He hasn't pitched as well as his stats indicate.

That 93% strand rate will probably be the one area where he does regress to the means a bit. However, I also don't think a sub 3.50 ERA is out of question either. He does strike out a ton of people (10.38 K/9 last year and 8.61 K/9 this year) so what we are seeing from a strikeout standpoint isn't fluky.

Brutus
05-08-2012, 06:46 PM
That 93% strand rate will probably be the one area where he does regress to the means a bit. However, I also don't think a sub 3.50 ERA is out of question either. He does strike out a ton of people (10.38 K/9 last year and 8.61 K/9 this year) so what we are seeing from a strikeout standpoint isn't fluky.

Yeah the strand rate will definitely come down. In the past 10 years, only four players have finished a season of 100 or more innings with a rate above 85%. None went above 86%.

No one has finished within 20 BABIP points of his current average with at least 100 innings, either.

Brutus
05-08-2012, 06:51 PM
Lynn did extremely well last year in the majors and is still young, so I don't think it's completely out of line to think that he could be doing this well and it's not just luck.

He's pitched very, very well. His stats so far aren't all luck. Now will he keep this up and win the Cy Young? Probably not, but he should have a damn fine year.

His K/BB ratio is still extremely high, he's a great strikeout pitcher and is continuing what he did last year. He'll come back down to earth, but he won't crash down!

The Cardinals may have benefited a bit with Carp being out. Once he's back Lynn can push someone out of the rotation, but that'll be a hard choice as to who goes. The Cardinals have a great rotation and the bullpen, which is doing well, will get another boost.

I think the term "great" is a bit of a stretch in describing his strikeouts. For his minor league career, he struck out about 7.5 batters per nine. That's good, definitely, but I wouldn't characterize it as great. It's not likely he'll continue striking out 8.6 guys at the major league level, especially once teams start seeing him a second and third time.

LvJ
05-09-2012, 10:32 AM
Cordero last night:

0.1 IP, 3 H, 5 ER, 2 BB. He's 1-2, with 3 BS and a 9.53 ERA for the Jays.

lul.

MikeThierry
05-09-2012, 12:44 PM
Cordero last night:

0.1 IP, 3 H, 5 ER, 2 BB. He's 1-2, with 3 BS and a 9.53 ERA for the Jays.

lul.

ouch....

10xWSChamps
05-09-2012, 02:28 PM
I think the term "great" is a bit of a stretch in describing his strikeouts. For his minor league career, he struck out about 7.5 batters per nine. That's good, definitely, but I wouldn't characterize it as great. It's not likely he'll continue striking out 8.6 guys at the major league level, especially once teams start seeing him a second and third time.

I'm talking about what he's been doing in the majors. He's been an outstanding (even better then great!) strikeout pitcher so far.

I don't think Lynn has a mysterious scouting report waiting to come out either, teams know what he's trying to do.

I don't think his strikeout rate will quite continue at the pace he's set this year and last, but from the looks of it he's going to be a very good strikeout pitcher.

Brutus
05-09-2012, 04:19 PM
I'm talking about what he's been doing in the majors. He's been an outstanding (even better then great!) strikeout pitcher so far.

I don't think Lynn has a mysterious scouting report waiting to come out either, teams know what he's trying to do.

I don't think his strikeout rate will quite continue at the pace he's set this year and last, but from the looks of it he's going to be a very good strikeout pitcher.

Teams never have a full scouting report on a player the first time pitching against MLB teams. Any rookie is prone to getting figured out after 1-2 times facing a team.

REDREAD
05-09-2012, 04:56 PM
Cordero last night:

0.1 IP, 3 H, 5 ER, 2 BB. He's 1-2, with 3 BS and a 9.53 ERA for the Jays.

lul.

His rejection of the Reds' contract offer last season was one of the best things to ever happen to us.
Looking now, it worked out better to sign a closer that was out for the year..

_Sir_Charles_
05-09-2012, 07:03 PM
I'm not sure how they've managed to pull this off, but in 5 starts, Ryan Dempster is now sitting with a 1.02 era, a 0.85 whip, 36 k's with only 10 walks in 35 ip and yet he sits at 0-1. I'd be pissed if I were Dempster.

Btw, he's the only reason that Cueto isn't leading the majors in ERA right now with his beautiful 1.12 earnie.

VottoFan54
05-09-2012, 10:17 PM
The Diamondbacks just went up 1-0 on the Cards in the bottom of the second. The Cards bats aren't looking too good so far.

dougdirt
05-09-2012, 10:17 PM
David Robertson hadn't given up a run in 27 innings coming into tonight. He has now given up 4 tonight after he loaded the bases without an out. Gave up a sac fly and followed it with a 3 run home run.

VottoFan54
05-09-2012, 10:46 PM
Diamondbacks just had a runner thrown out at home to end the fourth. Still 1-0 Arizona. Both teams have six hits.

VottoFan54
05-09-2012, 11:03 PM
The Astros/Marlins game is entering the tenth inning as Brian Bogusevic drives home a run in the bottom of the ninth to make it 3-3. The Cards just tied the game at 1 in the top of the fifth. Craig grounded into a DP with bases loaded and one out.

Tom Servo
05-10-2012, 12:25 AM
Scott Van Slyke with a hit in his first Major League at-bat, a broken bat RBI single.

PuffyPig
05-10-2012, 10:57 AM
His rejection of the Reds' contract offer last season was one of the best things to ever happen to us.
Looking now, it worked out better to sign a closer that was out for the year..

I think that Cordero not signing with the Reds was one time pretty much 100% of RedsZone was in agreement about.

cumberlandreds
05-11-2012, 09:44 AM
How about this one? The Orioles first three hitters in their game against the Rangers all had HR's. This article doesn't state it but Colby Lewis set down the next 18 batters. Then gave up back to back HR's. All the Oriole hits in that first game were home runs. I don't think I have ever seen anything quite like this before.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120510&content_id=30911622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120510&content_id=30911622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

HeatherC1212
05-11-2012, 11:41 AM
How about this one? The Orioles first three hitters in their game against the Rangers all had HR's. This article doesn't state it but Colby Lewis set down the next 18 batters. Then gave up back to back HR's. All the Oriole hits in that first game were home runs. I don't think I have ever seen anything quite like this before.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120510&content_id=30911622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120510&content_id=30911622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

He gave up 5 HRs, 5 H, 2 BB (I think...), but still struck out 12 Orioles players. It was the first time in Orioles history that they started any game with three straight HRs. That is one whacked out stat line! :eek: :eek:

CTA513
05-11-2012, 08:32 PM
33rd game of the season for the White Sox and Dunn has already matched last years home run total of 11.

dougdirt
05-11-2012, 11:37 PM
Josh Hamilton now has 2 home runs tonight. Only the 4th inning. He is good at baseball.

kaldaniels
05-12-2012, 12:16 AM
Josh Hamilton now has 2 home runs tonight. Only the 4th inning. He is good at baseball.

Someone notify Boss. RZ's time must be off. Hamiltons monster game was a few nights ago.

757690
05-12-2012, 12:34 AM
Braves ruin Tony LaRussa Night, beating the Cards 9-7 in 12 innings.

kaldaniels
05-12-2012, 12:44 AM
Braves ruin Tony LaRussa Night, beating the Cards 9-7 in 12 innings.

:clap:

dougdirt
05-12-2012, 02:53 PM
Hamilton with #18.

Stop pitching to him.

reds1869
05-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Hamilton with #18.

Stop pitching to him.

I'm amazed that he sees anything within a foot of the strike zone.

Orenda
05-12-2012, 03:25 PM
18 hr and only 4 doubles so far for the natural...don't see those kind of numbers very often. Locked in.

dougdirt
05-12-2012, 04:23 PM
18 hr and only 4 doubles so far for the natural...don't see those kind of numbers very often. Locked in.

Kind of like Beltran so far. 12 home runs, 2 doubles.

MikeThierry
05-12-2012, 06:29 PM
Hamilton's on pace to hit 86 HR's and drive in 195 RBI's :laugh:

Who would you take right now: Kemp or Hamilton?

MikeThierry
05-12-2012, 06:30 PM
Kind of like Beltran so far. 12 home runs, 2 doubles.

Carlos Beltran's stat line in the last 14 games:

.410 BA, .500 OBP, 1.026 SLG, 1.526 OPS, 7 HR, 20 RBI

PuffyPig
05-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Hamilton's on pace to hit 86 HR's and drive in 195 RBI's :laugh:

Who would you take right now: Kemp or Hamilton?

Kemp becuase he is signed for many years to a (for him) resaonable contract.

Hamilton would be mine for only the rest of the season.

Tony Cloninger
05-12-2012, 06:57 PM
Kemp. As 3 LH's in a row would give Baker a heart attack when trying to make out the lineup.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2012, 06:59 PM
Kemp. Less risk, younger, tons of upside.

757690
05-12-2012, 08:40 PM
Kemp. Hotter girlfriends.

http://www.sound-savvy.com/wp-content/uploads/rihanna_posing.jpg

http://hair-tips.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/kinopoisk.ru-Eva-Longoria-Parker-497139-e1288335003999-221x300.jpg

MikeThierry
05-12-2012, 10:17 PM
757690, good call. I like where your heads at. If it's a tie, pick the one who has the hotter girlfriends.

10xWSChamps
05-13-2012, 06:29 AM
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/ed/4edb8bb3-c406-527e-9d3b-65ca5f486afd/4fadd5bb4c2fb.image.jpg
Cardinals fans gave Chipper an energy boost Friday with a sustained ovation before his first at-bat. The Jones farewell tour of the National League was rather low-key until he came to Busch Stadium, and he was genuinely touched by the reception.

"That was very classy by the St. Louis fans," Jones said. "They're widely regarded as the best fans in baseball, and they showed it (Friday) night. It certainly was not expected, a little bit of a shock to me. I'm not used to getting that kind of reaction on the road. It just goes to show you they know their baseball, and their ovation was much appreciated.

"I've always enjoyed coming here and the fan base in St. Louis is a big part of that. You can have an opposing player hit three home runs against the Cardinals, and the Cardinals fans will give him an ovation for a job well done. You get an opposing pitcher come out and throw a shutout against their Cardinals and walking off the field, they'll (applaud.) It's nice to play in a city where good baseball is appreciated. And it rubs off on the Cardinals team.

"And other teams enjoy coming here to play, because No. 1 they know they're going to play a very good ballclub in the Cardinals. And No. 2 they get to entertain some really intelligent fans."

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/braves-jones-deserves-farewell-fanfare/article_18df8712-5a96-5c1f-b074-3509b51cfc5b.html#ixzz1ukDF70Ei:D;)

Degenerate39
05-13-2012, 08:59 AM
Flattery will get you every where I guess

757690
05-13-2012, 09:19 AM
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/ed/4edb8bb3-c406-527e-9d3b-65ca5f486afd/4fadd5bb4c2fb.image.jpg:D;)

Any group of fans that calls itself "baseball's greatest fans" are not by definition, lol.

Honestly, this stuff happens in most cities when a hall of famer makes his last rounds in that city. Only in St. Louis would they make a big deal of it.

(For the record, the Cardinals used to have some of the classiest, most well informed fans, but not in the last decade. IMO, they started to descend into Cub fan territory about halfway through the TLR Era.)

Btw, welcome to the ORG, excited to have another Cardinal fan to debate ;)

Tom Servo
05-13-2012, 10:58 AM
Honestly, this stuff happens in most cities when a hall of famer makes his last rounds in that city. Only in St. Louis would they make a big deal of it.

This.

OnBaseMachine
05-13-2012, 01:37 PM
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/ed/4edb8bb3-c406-527e-9d3b-65ca5f486afd/4fadd5bb4c2fb.image.jpg:D;)

I'm curious as to why this is being posted on a Reds forum?

Screwball
05-13-2012, 01:49 PM
I'm curious as to why this is being posted on a Reds forum?


Because Cards fans are the classiest in baseball. Just ask them, they'll tell you all about it.

757690
05-13-2012, 01:53 PM
I'm curious as to why this is being posted on a Reds forum?

It is in the scoreboard watching thread. Kinda the point of the thread, to follow other teams.

OnBaseMachine
05-13-2012, 01:58 PM
It is in the scoreboard watching thread. Kinda the point of the thread, to follow other teams.

I'm pretty sure Boss has warned the Cardinals fans numerous times to cut those types of posts out.

reds44
05-13-2012, 03:16 PM
The Cubs did the same thing.

VottoFan54
05-13-2012, 03:29 PM
The Braves just went up 3-0 on the Cards in the third. Jason Heyward hit a 3 RBI double. Lance Lynn's ERA is rising.

Sent from my LG-VS700

PuffyPig
05-13-2012, 03:33 PM
Well, in the Cards game, the Cards starter has for the third game in a row thrown a ton of early pitches, walked a lot, and gotten knocked around.

Lynn is today's victim and has given up 3 runs on 81 piches in 3 innings.

dougdirt
05-13-2012, 05:04 PM
I'm pretty sure Boss has warned the Cardinals fans numerous times to cut those types of posts out.

I don't see it as an issue in this kind of thread where we are kind of following the rest of baseball on a day by day basis for cool 'on-going' things.

Tom Servo
05-13-2012, 05:15 PM
Watching that very Cardinals/Braves game, I didn't realize Eric Hinske had gotten so fat. :yikes:

OnBaseMachine
05-13-2012, 09:09 PM
I don't see it as an issue in this kind of thread where we are kind of following the rest of baseball on a day by day basis for cool 'on-going' things.

Logging onto a Reds forum and seeing Cardinals fans brag about how great their fans are is a little annoying.

traderumor
05-13-2012, 09:27 PM
Grand Salami Sunday

Stanton and Votto game winners

Cruz gets Weaver in Arlington

VR
05-13-2012, 09:40 PM
18 hr and only 4 doubles so far for the natural...don't see those kind of numbers very often. Locked in.

Josh reads Redszone. Just hit a two run double off of Jared Weaver after he realized he's hitting too many dingers.

Playadlc
05-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Weaver might kill someone in the clubhouse tonight. He is pissed.

PuffyPig
05-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Commenting on the Cards fans' reception of Chipper Jones is very acceptable.

Suggesting they deserve Sainthood because of it is not.

Tony Cloninger
05-14-2012, 10:14 AM
Matt Kemp might go on the DL due to a hamstring strain....where he could barely walk. The Cardinals were supposed to go to LA on their road trip. The luck of the Cards is amazing really. From who they sign to whomever they bring up from their minor leagues....to now NOT having to face the hottest hitter in all the NL.

traderumor
05-14-2012, 10:27 AM
Matt Kemp might go on the DL due to a hamstring strain....where he could barely walk. The Cardinals were supposed to go to LA on their road trip. The luck of the Cards is amazing really. From who they sign to whomever they bring up from their minor leagues....to now NOT having to face the hottest hitter in all the NL.You just never know. I thought the Reds caught a break by getting the Nats all banged up, but they just kept getting outpitched...and two .200 hitters sunk the Reds on consecutive nights.

_Sir_Charles_
05-14-2012, 10:48 AM
Matt Kemp might go on the DL due to a hamstring strain....where he could barely walk. The Cardinals were supposed to go to LA on their road trip. The luck of the Cards is amazing really. From who they sign to whomever they bring up from their minor leagues....to now NOT having to face the hottest hitter in all the NL.

I guess lots of people haven't noticed just how much Kemp's cooled off.

Hitting .212 this month with 0 dingers. .644 ops in 11 games (35 abs), 3 rbi's, 1 double.

I'd say he's the most dangerous hitter, but not the hottest. That might be Beltran.

He's dropped to 3rd in BA, 2nd in HR's and 3rd in RBI's.

Reds/Flyers Fan
05-14-2012, 11:04 AM
The Cubs did the same thing.

Chicago had a better Chipper sendoff than St. Louis did. The Cubs gave Chipper a Braves flag that had flown above Wrigley Field.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/09/chicago-cubs-give-chipper-jones-a-braves-flag-that-flew-in-wrigley/

I'm sure the Reds will do something for Chipper later this month. Cardinals fans didn't do anything that every other NL city is doing/will do.

dougdirt
05-14-2012, 11:09 AM
Logging onto a Reds forum and seeing Cardinals fans brag about how great their fans are is a little annoying.

Do you honestly expect to see nothing but Reds talk in a scoreboard watching thread?

PuffyPig
05-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Chicago had a better Chipper sendoff than St. Louis did. The Cubs gave Chipper a Braves flag that had flown above Wrigley Field.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/09/chicago-cubs-give-chipper-jones-a-braves-flag-that-flew-in-wrigley/

I'm sure the Reds will do something for Chipper later this month. Cardinals fans didn't do anything that every other NL city is doing/will do.

The Cards gave him a picture autographed by, inter alia, Tony Larussa.

You can never top that.

Big Klu
05-14-2012, 11:37 AM
Chicago had a better Chipper sendoff than St. Louis did. The Cubs gave Chipper a Braves flag that had flown above Wrigley Field.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/09/chicago-cubs-give-chipper-jones-a-braves-flag-that-flew-in-wrigley/

I'm sure the Reds will do something for Chipper later this month. Cardinals fans didn't do anything that every other NL city is doing/will do.

Since when did "Braves" begin with the letter L?

OnBaseMachine
05-14-2012, 11:49 AM
Do you honestly expect to see nothing but Reds talk in a scoreboard watching thread?

I honestly don't expect to log onto a Reds message board and read Cardinals fans bragging about how great they are. Especially when the owner of this forum has told them numerous times to stop.

puca
05-14-2012, 12:00 PM
I honestly don't expect to log onto a Reds message board and read Cardinals fans bragging about how great they are. Especially when the owner of this forum has told them numerous times to stop.

Did I miss something? It looks to me like he posted an snippet and a link to an article about the farewell tour of a soon-to-be hall-of-famer and the reception he got in St. Louis. That hall-of-famer praised the St. Louis fans, not the poster. I'm sure if Chipper had been uncomplimentary of St. Louis fans you wouldn't have been bothered at all.

757690
05-14-2012, 12:00 PM
Chicago had a better Chipper sendoff than St. Louis did. The Cubs gave Chipper a Braves flag that had flown above Wrigley Field.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/09/chicago-cubs-give-chipper-jones-a-braves-flag-that-flew-in-wrigley/

I'm sure the Reds will do something for Chipper later this month. Cardinals fans didn't do anything that every other NL city is doing/will do.

Yes, they did do something different. They bragged about it ;)

OnBaseMachine
05-14-2012, 12:07 PM
Did I miss something? It looks to me like he posted an snippet and a link to an article about the farewell tour of a soon-to-be hall-of-famer and the reception he got in St. Louis. That hall-of-famer praised the St. Louis fans, not the poster. I'm sure if Chipper had been uncomplimentary of St. Louis fans you wouldn't have been bothered at all.

The Cubs did the same thing with Chipper. Didn't see him post a clip of it then.

dougdirt
05-14-2012, 12:20 PM
The Cubs did the same thing with Chipper. Didn't see him post a clip of it then.

He probably didn't read it. Of course he is going to see the Cubs version of it, just like I didn't, because I am not out reading Cubs news all that often.

MikeThierry
05-14-2012, 02:54 PM
The Cards gave him a picture autographed by, inter alia, Tony Larussa.

You can never top that.

They did also give him an old school, 1940's style jersey signed by Stan Musial as well. I would cherish that but I'm biased in the matter (see avatar for confirmation)

_Sir_Charles_
05-14-2012, 03:14 PM
Did I miss something? It looks to me like he posted an snippet and a link to an article about the farewell tour of a soon-to-be hall-of-famer and the reception he got in St. Louis. That hall-of-famer praised the St. Louis fans, not the poster. I'm sure if Chipper had been uncomplimentary of St. Louis fans you wouldn't have been bothered at all.

This is what I was thinking too. I certainly didn't see the big deal. Other than posting the snippet from the article, the poster only posted this....":D;)"

That's hardly "bragging" in my opinion. And I liked that they posted it. I hadn't heard of ANY teams doing that up to now. I've since read here that the Cubs have done it too, but I missed that story. So I for one appreciated the post.

PuffyPig
05-14-2012, 05:54 PM
They did also give him an old school, 1940's style jersey signed by Stan Musial as well. I would cherish that but I'm biased in the matter (see avatar for confirmation)

As am I. I read Stan's Biography, and I seldom read non-fiction books. It was very good, and I really liked learning about baseball in that era.

dougdirt
05-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Bryce Harper just went deep for his first career home run.

PuffyPig
05-14-2012, 08:38 PM
Cards down 3-0 to the Cubs. Westbrook at 90 pitches with no outs in the 5th.

vaticanplum
05-14-2012, 10:34 PM
Dunn hit a two-run homer in the first against Detroit tonight. White Sox currently leading 7-5 in the seventh. That's Dunn's 377th, I think, and 12th on the year. Dude is just raking right now. Looking fairly trim, too, I must say.