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S.Wells
04-11-2012, 10:15 AM
Any chance the Reds make a trade for Carlos Lee? I know he is way over paid and Houston would like to deal him. I'm sure they would even eat some of the cost. He is playing well right now and in the best shape he has been in for the last 5 or 6 years. He could be a big boost to our club with his bat. A true clean up hitter capable of batting .300 with 30 jacks and 85 RBI. A RH power hitter that can play average LF and hit between Votto and Bruce.

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Stray
04-11-2012, 10:20 AM
I'd be surprised, the only addition I could really see us trying to make is Oswalt. Never know though, our FO has been surprising lately.

S.Wells
04-11-2012, 10:26 AM
Stubbs for Lee a win win for both clubs.

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Stray
04-11-2012, 10:31 AM
You think the Astros would pay a large chunk of Lee's contract, give him to us and call it a good deal for Stubbs?

Stray
04-11-2012, 10:33 AM
Oh and he's 35 and like 275. That's a big load to move around in LF.

S.Wells
04-11-2012, 10:40 AM
Not much ground to cover in our park. A lot better than Yonder, which they tried last year. And he is down to about 260 pounds. FO wants to win I'm just saying. Our line up would look a lot better with him in it. He's hitting better than 7 of our everyday players so far this season.

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S.Wells
04-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Yes they want young raw talent and Stubbs has it. Maybe not a large chunk of his contract but some.

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S.Wells
04-11-2012, 10:54 AM
Potential line up if the Reds made this trade.

1. Phillips 2b
2. Cozart SS
3. Votto 1b
4. Lee LF
5. Bruce RF
6. Ludwick CF
7. Rolen 3b
8. Mesaraco C
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swaisuc
04-11-2012, 10:56 AM
I would be more worried about Ludwick in center in that scenerio than Lee in left.

S.Wells
04-11-2012, 11:13 AM
Ludwick and Heisey can both play center. Don't forget Ludwick win a Gold Glove in 2008.

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will5979
04-11-2012, 11:18 AM
All in, Walt please I'm begging you pull the trigger on this!

1869's Original
04-11-2012, 11:21 AM
I see what you're getting at, but I don't think it wise to give up on Stubbs just yet.

It's really easy to be frustrated by the strikeouts and low average at the plate. Yet it's equally easy to forget that he is an absolute force on defense. He can track down any ball in center, has great instincts, has a strong arm, has an accurate arm, and can offer great power for someone hitting in the 7 or 8 spot. I don't see any upside to throwing away someone who could win Gold Gloves and hit 20+ home runs for the next 5-7 years with 40-50 stolen bases. The guy's a gem at the 7 or 8 spot. Lee's only good for another season or two anyway. I think a swap with the Astros would be short-sighted and rash...

malcontent
04-11-2012, 11:22 AM
They need LH bats in the lineup, not another RH bat.

When the Westbrooks and Lohses of the world shut you down cold, you know you've got a major problem.

It was a major problem last year, and not only didn't Jocketty remedy it, he actually made matters worse by trading Alonso, Grandal, and Francisco, and releasing Lewis and Hermidia.

Now that Phillips is signed through 2017, Gregorius (a LHH) has no position if they don't move Cozart. And Hamilton (a SH) has to be moved to the OF, presumably CF.

Those guys are a couple years away. In the mean-time, Walt has to do something to fix this problem. This team does not make the playoffs as it is currently constructed, IMO.

Oh. And Seth Smith would have looked good in red.

It's (past) time to trade for a starting LH-hitting OF, and a LH-hitting IF or OF bench guy to replace Harris.

1869's Original
04-11-2012, 11:32 AM
A much better route, in my opinion, would be to make a splash in the free agent market in the next year or two. Upcoming free agents include:

LF:
Michael Bourn
Melky Cabrera
Andre Ethier
Josh Hamilton
Carlos Lee
Carlos Quentin
Luke Scott
Ichiro Suzuki
B.J. Upton
Delmon Young

There are some great guys that are going to be available and the organization has shown that they are willing to pay more for success.

1869's Original
04-11-2012, 11:38 AM
AHHH!

I'm making myself dizzy just thinking about how wonderful it would be to sign Michael Bourn... Stubbs' speed, LHH, defensive stopper. They would have so many options:

Lock down Bruce in RF, stick Bourn in Center every night, maybe sign someone like Andre Ethier to sit in left and hit well every night. There's so much potential.

malcontent
04-11-2012, 12:00 PM
AHHH!

I'm making myself dizzy just thinking about how wonderful it would be to sign Michael Bourn... Stubbs' speed, LHH, defensive stopper. They would have so many options:

Lock down Bruce in RF, stick Bourn in Center every night, maybe sign someone like Andre Ethier to sit in left and hit well every night. There's so much potential.
Enjoy the vertigo now, because I suspect the Dodgers will come up with the change to keep Ethier in LA.

S.Wells
04-11-2012, 12:12 PM
They need LH bats in the lineup, not another RH bat.

When the Westbrooks and Lohses of the world shut you down cold, you know you've got a major problem.

It was a major problem last year, and not only didn't Jocketty remedy it, he actually made matters worse by trading Alonso, Grandal, and Francisco, and releasing Lewis and Hermidia.

Now that Phillips is signed through 2017, Gregorius (a LHH) has no position if they don't move Cozart. And Hamilton (a SH) has to be moved to the OF, presumably CF.

Those guys are a couple years away. In the mean-time, Walt has to do something to fix this problem. This team does not make the playoffs as it is currently constructed, IMO.

Oh. And Seth Smith would have looked good in red.

It's (past) time to trade for a starting LH-hitting OF, and a LH-hitting IF or OF bench guy to replace Harris.


They need LH bats in the lineup, not another RH bat.

When the Westbrooks and Lohses of the world shut you down cold, you know you've got a major problem.

It was a major problem last year, and not only didn't Jocketty remedy it, he actually made matters worse by trading Alonso, Grandal, and Francisco, and releasing Lewis and Hermidia.

Now that Phillips is signed through 2017, Gregorius (a LHH) has no position if they don't move Cozart. And Hamilton (a SH) has to be moved to the OF, presumably CF.

Those guys are a couple years away. In the mean-time, Walt has to do something to fix this problem. This team does not make the playoffs as it is currently constructed, IMO.

Oh. And Seth Smith would have looked good in red.

It's (past) time to trade for a starting LH-hitting OF, and a LH-hitting IF or OF bench guy to replace Harris.

All good points and I understand this. But we do need a right handed bat to hit Cleanup. Rolen doesn't put fear into pitchers which lets them work around Votto. Do we need a couple more good LH bats, of course. Ideally a power lefty on the bench that can play OF, and a LH or switch hitting lead off guy with speed preferably in CF. I am not really saying trade Stubbs, but he has the upside the Astros are looking for, but we have several other young guys to deal. I just know we have a need for a guy like Lee. Better shape this year, tearing the cover off the ball right now. And a contract year which usually transforms into a big season. With Lee in our line up we have the best line up in the NL!

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rick vaughn
04-11-2012, 12:21 PM
Ludwick and Heisey can both play center. Don't forget Ludwick win a Gold Glove in 2008.

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No, he didn't.

2008 NL Gold Gloves in the outfield went to Nate McLouth, Shane Victorino and Carlos Beltran.

bmwreds31
04-11-2012, 01:03 PM
Reds wont make another move this year. We will be out of it by the all star break and shooting for next year with a couple Offensive Additions like we should have done this year. We just dont have the bats to keep up this year.

And losing madson really hurt.

Mutaman
04-11-2012, 02:04 PM
They need LH bats in the lineup, not another RH bat.


Don't bother- its rocket Science.

Carlos Lee??? Ludwick in center???? I give up!

Assembly Hall
04-12-2012, 04:12 AM
Carlos Lee?????? Really??????

jhiller21
04-12-2012, 07:19 AM
Lee is no longer a cleanup hitter, but neither is Rolen. We really need Bruce in that spot, but Dusty refuses to bat 3-4 lefties back to back. I'd take Lee for Stubbs, if Houston eats most of the money.

Ironman92
04-12-2012, 09:12 AM
Lee might very well eat the money......and everything around him

jwmann2
04-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Aren't we stacked for outfielders? How about Heisey in center and Stubbs on the bench? I like that better.

R_Webb18
04-12-2012, 03:12 PM
Aren't we stacked for outfielders? How about Heisey in center and Stubbs on the bench? I like that better.

either way they both suck

mu4103
04-12-2012, 04:51 PM
Maybe the Reds could try playing Heisey in LF for a couple of games this year. It might be a good idea to see what they have in their young players before making a trade. Of course he wasn't a first round draft pick and Ludwick needs a chance to break out of his slump so the Reds should probably keep playing him everyday rather then give the youngster everyday. Ludwick will of course recieve the Jonny Gomes treatment until the Reds pick up another retread - like Carlos Lee who does suck by the way. ABs.:rolleyes: