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Red Buckeye
04-14-2012, 06:26 PM
Is this Jackson guy pitching for Washington an amazing stud of a SP? I didn't realize he was so elite, because the way the Reds have been hitting today (and for just about the whole season) Jackson must be the next Nolan Ryan.

This joke of a team is hard to watch. And can anyone tell me who the leader of this team is? Certainly not our 250 million man or BP.

I'm really disgusted with the way these guys are playing so this is most likely just an angry rant, but I would have to say those of us who actually thought the Reds were going to be good this year are looking like fools.

And how about that 8th guys? After Heisey gets a lead off walk and it looked like the Reds might ACTUALLY get some runs, they promptly get three K's in a row.

And Stubbs just plain sucks. I'm tired of people making excuses for him. He will lead the majors in K's this year.

Ironman92
04-14-2012, 06:46 PM
Plate approach

Dustyball

7 innings of 10 or fewer pitches

Embarrassing

takealeake
04-14-2012, 06:49 PM
Horrible "additions" to the team, throw that on there as well. They focused on pitching and expected trash players to stick. Well, its not.

webbbj
04-14-2012, 06:54 PM
Horrible "additions" to the team, throw that on there as well. They focused on pitching and expected trash players to stick. Well, its not.

well the pitching needed improving. the hitting is discouraging no need to overreact to one week of games.

Jr's Boy
04-14-2012, 06:59 PM
Really sucks,especially to see a Pujols less St Louis sitting at the top.Do I see the injury bug to the St.Louie vets eventually?Yes.But right now the junk veterans we have are playing like their injured.A lot of their success is attributed to their farm club,and will not hesitate to use a young player.While we keep hot hitting youngsters in AAA while useless vets continue to unimpress.

markymark69
04-14-2012, 07:37 PM
The team is definitely hard to watch right now. My thought on the offensive struggles is that they are taking too many good pitches and swinging at the pitcher's pitch.

I understand the philosophy of taking pitches and working the count early in the game, but to let a fastball sail right through the heart of the plate and take it for a strike and swing at slider's and splits in the dirt is not getting it done.

joshua
04-14-2012, 07:52 PM
Hacking away. Another person on here gave an interesting stat: Reds went down on less than 10 pitches in 6 of 9 innings today. That is unforgivable.

malcontent
04-14-2012, 07:55 PM
Why, you ask?

Elementary, my dear Red Buckeye.

Jocketty took an offense that had major issues against RHP last year, and proceeded to make matters even worse, either trading or releasing every LH bat but Votto and Bruce (unless you count Willie Harris).

This team, as it stands, has no chance of sniffing the playoffs. Absolutely none.

Krawhitham
04-14-2012, 08:36 PM
Why do they suck on offense so much?

The offense has been like this for years, they score very little or they score a ton of runs. By season's end their runs per game average will look good but it really isn't

They would score 10 one game then 3, 2, 1 in the next 3. They lose 3 of the 4 games but the average 4 runs a game

R_Webb18
04-14-2012, 08:43 PM
the reds cant hit good pitching. yes they will win there fair share but even if they make the playoffs guess what they will face good pitching. they need atleast 1 more decent hitter.

New York Red
04-14-2012, 09:25 PM
Plate approach

Dustyball

7 innings of 10 or fewer pitches

Embarrassing
That sums it up pretty well. I realize it's a Dustyball tradition to swing early and often, but this year's team is taking it to an entirely different level. I didn't get to see today's game, but looking at Jackson's pitch count, it was obviously more of what we've seen the first nine games now. Opposing pitchers much already realize that we will swing at anything even close to the plate.

Ironman92
04-14-2012, 09:48 PM
Example 1

Heisey leads off one of the more than 10 pitch innings (I think the 7th) by walking on four pitches. Stubbs takes the first pitch a pretty wild ball 1 for a fifth straight ball....next pitch is caught by the catcher right as it's ready to strike dirt....of course Stubbs wailed at it unsuccessfully as did he 2 of the next 3 pitches (all curve balls near the dirt) for a whiff....Mesoraco followed suit quickly and shortly as did Rolen....almost all 84 mph curves near the dirt......he didn't throw 5 strikes the entire inning but got out of it without any problems....Heisey never got more than 12 feet off of first.

Magdal
04-14-2012, 11:45 PM
Really sucks,especially to see a Pujols less St Louis sitting at the top.Do I see the injury bug to the St.Louie vets eventually?Yes.But right now the junk veterans we have are playing like their injured.A lot of their success is attributed to their farm club,and will not hesitate to use a young player.While we keep hot hitting youngsters in AAA while useless vets continue to unimpress.

That bug hit 3 games ago when Berkman strained his calf...Freese is out with a sore finger. But they're playing the Cubs.

EMAW
04-14-2012, 11:53 PM
Plate approach

Dustyball

7 innings of 10 or fewer pitches

Embarrassing

Maybe 9 games is not a complete sample?
This board is out of control ridiculous
How about waiting until the season is at least 25% complete to make knee jerk reactions?
Nah that would be logical, I think firing the manager and coaching staff after every loss would set a very intense tone.

Magdal
04-14-2012, 11:55 PM
Really sucks,especially to see a Pujols less St Louis sitting at the top.Do I see the injury bug to the St.Louie vets eventually?Yes.But right now the junk veterans we have are playing like their injured.A lot of their success is attributed to their farm club,and will not hesitate to use a young player.While we keep hot hitting youngsters in AAA while useless vets continue to unimpress.

That bug hit 3 games ago when Berkman strained his calf...Freese is out with a sore finger. But they're playing the Cubs.

Rolen and Stubbs are really bringing the team down. Ludwick's not exactly on fire either, but he's a role player. If I were the GM I would just get RID of those 2. It's pretty clear that Rolen's a has been and Stubbs a never will be.

S.Wells
04-15-2012, 09:16 AM
Maybe 9 games is not a complete sample?
This board is out of control ridiculous
How about waiting until the season is at least 25% complete to make knee jerk reactions?
Nah that would be logical, I think firing the manager and coaching staff after every loss would set a very intense tone.

Ok wait 25% of the season to make changes. So basically your saying wait until we are 13 games below .500 before making changes? 25% of the season is 41 games. At the current rate we are playing we would be 14 and 27. Seems to me we would be about 20 games out of first at that point. Sure would be a big climb up the standings!!!


Your crazy, manage to win every game! Make changes quickly and as needed. Did we make a big come back last year after the allstar break? No, why we never made any changes.

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Red Buckeye
04-15-2012, 10:47 AM
Thanks for the replies. Nice to see I can vent on here without having a bunch smart-a$$ know-it-alls attack (the reds mlb board is horrible, which is why I'm glad I found redszone).

I know it's still very early in the season, and hopefully they are just going through their slump early on, but the way these guys look at the plate reminds me of what a team in September looks like when they are playing on fumes and are completely exhausted.

It's only April, the Reds should have a lot more focus than they seem to at the plate.

And yeah I am really getting tired of Stubbs act. He is fast, a great fielder, a good base stealer (who doesn't try to steal nearly enough), but a lousy hitter. It'd be one thing if he was making up for his weak average with walks and SB's, but man, will he ever learn to lay off those breaking balls away?

I mean it's almost predictable when you see him whiff and miss. So counter-productive as well.

They just need to start winning some frickin games and I will be happier.

Ironman92
04-15-2012, 10:49 AM
Maybe 9 games is not a complete sample?
This board is out of control ridiculous
How about waiting until the season is at least 25% complete to make knee jerk reactions?
Nah that would be logical, I think firing the manager and coaching staff after every loss would set a very intense tone.

I've said this for about 3 years now. I never said anything about this year. This is how Dusty and Jacoby work. Were you satisfied with the team last year? Do you see improvements?