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redssince75
04-15-2012, 04:28 PM
So the Nats have figured out you walk Votto, strike out Rolen.

In all seriousness, at this stage of his career, when does Rolen say, "My bat is hurting the team more than my glove is helping it, I'm gonna hang it up"?

osuredleg24
04-15-2012, 04:31 PM
I mentioned it in the game thread....why don't you just put Bruce at 4? Is it really that bad to have two lefties back to back? When you're facing a closer, they aren't gonna change..and Votto/Bruce are good enough to hit Righty and Lefty pitchers

Red in Atl
04-15-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd swap Ludwick and Rolen. Ryan will hit. I think he's still nervous about doing well as a Red, since he's always wanted to play here. Hitting 6th will help take some of the pressure off Rolen.

And I'd platoon Heisey and Stubbs. Stubbs in not an everyday player until he gets his head out of you know where.

Stray
04-15-2012, 05:43 PM
Yeah I'm hoping today was a sign of things to come for Ludwick, maybe he's just getting comfortable here. It'd be nice if he can hit a decent 4th.

DocRed
04-15-2012, 05:55 PM
I'd swap Ludwick and Rolen. Ryan will hit. I think he's still nervous about doing well as a Red, since he's always wanted to play here. Hitting 6th will help take some of the pressure off Rolen.

And I'd platoon Heisey and Stubbs. Stubbs in not an everyday player until he gets his head out of you know where.

He has? Didn't know that...

edit: oh nm, I thought u meant Ludwick.

mikemo14
04-15-2012, 06:04 PM
Rolen has been toast since July of 2010. I see no reason to think he will get much better. Pathetic number four hitter.

LaFlamaBlanca
04-15-2012, 06:13 PM
.358 OPS so far this year. He'll pick up somewhat, but I don't want him hitting (not walking, thanks Dusty) through this slump in the cleanup spot. Goes a long way towards neutralizing our by far most potent threat, Votto.

Birdman007
04-15-2012, 06:45 PM
Rolen is an awful number 4 hitter. I'd have Ludwick/Bruce hit 4 and put Rolen at 6.

read favorite
04-15-2012, 06:51 PM
It has been clearly stated numerous times by many members of this forum that rolen is stealing money, this criminal should be cut immediately, even francisco is hitting more than rolen

Red in Atl
04-15-2012, 08:10 PM
He has? Didn't know that...

edit: oh nm, I thought u meant Ludwick.

I did mean Ludwick. His grandparents live close enough that they always rooted for the Reds and Ryan loved the team growing up.

malcontent
04-15-2012, 08:44 PM
So the Nats have figured out you walk Votto, strike out Rolen.

In all seriousness, at this stage of his career, when does Rolen say, "My bat is hurting the team more than my glove is helping it, I'm gonna hang it up"?
He won't.

People (even announcers) still rave about Rolen as if he invented the game.

"Best baserunner I ever saw", ad nauseum....

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93586&highlight=rolen+malcontent

Fears realized...

Krawhitham
04-15-2012, 09:04 PM
So the Nats have figured out you walk Votto, strike out Rolen.

In all seriousness, at this stage of his career, when does Rolen say, "My bat is hurting the team more than my glove is helping it, I'm gonna hang it up"?


No player ever feels they are done plus he has 8.16 Million other reasons to play this season

Krawhitham
04-15-2012, 09:05 PM
Rolen has been toast since July of 2010. I see no reason to think he will get much better. Pathetic number four hitter.

8 HR since June 28th 2010

malcontent
04-16-2012, 01:13 AM
8 HR since June 28th 2010
Toast. Like mikemo14 said.

Magdal
04-16-2012, 07:23 AM
It has been clearly stated numerous times by many members of this forum that rolen is stealing money, this criminal should be cut immediately, even francisco is hitting more than rolenVery funny post...I visualize Rolen stepping to the plate with a mask on.

Assembly Hall
04-16-2012, 08:02 AM
4-6 and the sky is falling.

Magdal
04-16-2012, 08:55 AM
4-6 and the sky is falling. Yep....the way the hitting has been that's not really a bad record. And when the hitting comes things will start to get interesting....looks like the Stro's are insinuating themselves into the mix...and the Pirates not doing too bad.

The Cubs acually appear to be WORSE than ever. Is that possible? :eek:

will5979
04-16-2012, 08:56 AM
4-6 and the sky is falling.

Do you consider being below .500 successful? If so then the sky is fine. But for me, when we are losing, YES the sky is falling. Cincinnati Reds baseball is life brother.

redssince75
04-16-2012, 10:03 AM
4-6 and the sky is falling.

What does that have to do with this thread?

1) The sky is not falling.

2) Scott Rolen needs to retire.

Those aren't mutually exclusive, I happen to believe both.

S.Wells
04-16-2012, 10:21 AM
Rolen is a future HOF'er and I am proud to see him wearing the Cincinnati uniform. Now with that said you guys are correct he is not a number 4 hitter. In fact I can't remember him hitting in the 4 spot much when he was with the Birds or Phils. Personally I think Ludwick, Bruce, or Phillips would be a better fit. Naturally I would like to see us pick up a big RH bat to hit in the 4 hole and another LH bat to come off the bench. Rolen is not done but a number 7 hitter at best.

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jhu1321
04-16-2012, 12:10 PM
Rolen is a future HOF'er and I am proud to see him wearing the Cincinnati uniform. Now with that said you guys are correct he is not a number 4 hitter. In fact I can't remember him hitting in the 4 spot much when he was with the Birds or Phils. Personally I think Ludwick, Bruce, or Phillips would be a better fit. Naturally I would like to see us pick up a big RH bat to hit in the 4 hole and another LH bat to come off the bench. Rolen is not done but a number 7 hitter at best.

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This.

joshua
04-16-2012, 12:29 PM
The biggest advantage to having Rolen would be having him groom Frazier when he comes up here.

Assembly Hall
04-16-2012, 12:37 PM
What does that have to do with this thread?

1) The sky is not falling.

2) Scott Rolen needs to retire.

Those aren't mutually exclusive, I happen to believe both.

4-6 and let's get rid of Rolen. That is what it has to do with this thread. Got another question for me?

DirtyBaker
04-16-2012, 12:44 PM
First off, he's not making $8.1M this year, that was 2011.

Second, is he really the one to blame about batting cleanup? He's not the one penciling his name on the lineup card, Dusty is.

Third, how soon we forget his 2010, all-star/gold glove season. We are probably out of the playoffs if E5 was still in Reds uniform.

And the most idiotic of all the comments - that he should retire. Craig Consell played until he was 41. He has a lifetime batting average of .255 and hit more than 4 HR in a season ONCE. :laugh:

Rolen is no doubt in the twilight of his career and losing his ability to be an everyday player, but if he's comfortable coming off a bench, he can play for another 5 years if he wants to keep playing.

fielder's choice
04-16-2012, 12:57 PM
Rolen needs to have some respect for himself and walk away. He just can't play this game anymore.

LeDoux
04-16-2012, 12:57 PM
Rolen is a future HOF'er and I am proud to see him wearing the Cincinnati uniform. Now with that said you guys are correct he is not a number 4 hitter. In fact I can't remember him hitting in the 4 spot much when he was with the Birds or Phils. Personally I think Ludwick, Bruce, or Phillips would be a better fit. Naturally I would like to see us pick up a big RH bat to hit in the 4 hole and another LH bat to come off the bench. Rolen is not done but a number 7 hitter at best.

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I agree with most of this as well. If we can chalk up 2011 to injury, Rolen still had a fair 2010 season and a fair 2012 Spring. Also his BABIP is absurdly low right now. I don't think Rolen profiles as a cleanup hitter, but I haven't given him up for dead quite yet. And, if BP is out, I would rather Rolen leadoff than William Harris.

Assembly Hall
04-16-2012, 12:59 PM
Do you consider being below .500 successful? If so then the sky is fine. But for me, when we are losing, YES the sky is falling. Cincinnati Reds baseball is life brother.

I know it is brother. But 4-6 aint 62-100. Things can turn around in a hurry.

Sir Luke
04-16-2012, 01:09 PM
Ludwick bats clean up, Bruce, Heisey (in center), then Rolen.
Rolen is as detremental behind Bruce as he is behind Votto

malcontent
04-16-2012, 01:12 PM
I know it is brother. But 4-6 aint 62-100. Things can turn around in a hurry.Things can turn around in a hurry.

But there are some things which are such obvious liabilities that a turn for the better is very unlikely to occur if denial is the MO and appropriate changes are not made.

The 2012 version of Scott Rolen is in no way, shape or form a cleanup hitter.

Not even against LHP.

But as I worried in the off-season, Baker will probably bat him there until Rolen loses an arm or leg.

And I'd still like to know why he was playing on the grass against Espinosa.

redssince75
04-16-2012, 01:18 PM
4-6 and let's get rid of Rolen. That is what it has to do with this thread. Got another question for me?

The Reds' record has nothing to do with my thoughts on Scott Rolen. Scott Rolen's performance (through the last season and a half, not just 10 games) is what leads to my thoughts on Scott Rolen.

You seem to have a little difficulty understanding the difference, but I sure don't.

Assembly Hall
04-16-2012, 01:29 PM
The Reds' record has nothing to do with my thoughts on Scott Rolen. Scott Rolen's performance (through the last season and a half, not just 10 games) is what leads to my thoughts on Scott Rolen.

You seem to have a little difficulty understanding the difference, but I sure don't.

Listen man. You asked what my reference to "the sky is falling" had to do with this thread. And I told you. I have no difficulty in understanding any thing.

redssince75
04-16-2012, 01:40 PM
Listen man. You asked what my reference to "the sky is falling" had to do with this thread. And I told you. I have no difficulty in understanding any thing.

Well since you can't seem to understand that thoughts about Scott Rolen have nothing to do with "the sky falling" -- and as the OP I can absolutely say that the thread was started with no such thought -- apparently you do.

Assembly Hall
04-16-2012, 06:29 PM
Well since you can't seem to understand that thoughts about Scott Rolen have nothing to do with "the sky falling" -- and as the OP I can absolutely say that the thread was started with no such thought -- apparently you do.

Well evidently you know more about me than I do. Get rid of Scott Rolen because we are 4-6. I think the thread was absolutely started because of offensive futilility and the poor start.

redssince75
04-16-2012, 11:16 PM
Well evidently you know more about me than I do. Get rid of Scott Rolen because we are 4-6. I think the thread was absolutely started because of offensive futilility and the poor start.

YOU think the thread was started because.......????

lol, I was the one who started the thread. Therefore, you can take my word on why it was started.

It was started because the Nats walked Votto twice and struck out Rolen both times, and because I haven't seen Rolen do anything remarkable on offense for a couple of years now. Nothing to do with 4-6.

But hey, I'm just the OP, what do I know?

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04-17-2012, 12:51 AM
how did encarnacion do tonite, oh he hit a home run but that does not matter because rolen is good in the clubhouse

DirtyBaker
04-17-2012, 02:43 AM
how did encarnacion do tonite, oh he hit a home run but that does not matter because rolen is good in the clubhouse

While on topic,

Edwin since trade: .259 BA, .787 OPS, 281 games

Rolen: .264 BA, .773 OPS, 248 games

Although Rolen's salary is twice as large, he was gold glove in 2010. At this point the trade looks slightly in Toronto's favor but it's not a runaway.

joshua
04-17-2012, 03:32 AM
Scott Rolen walked 10 times in 269 at bats last year. What we pay him is not worth 10 walks and 1.4 WAR. Not even close. There is much much better value out there. If you think a .242 hitter who walks less then 4% of the time with an OBP under .300 is worth six million dollars and batting clean up, then you're insane. Rolen's numbers won't be much different than last year.

Assembly Hall
04-17-2012, 07:26 AM
YOU think the thread was started because.......????

lol, I was the one who started the thread. Therefore, you can take my word on why it was started.

It was started because the Nats walked Votto twice and struck out Rolen both times, and because I haven't seen Rolen do anything remarkable on offense for a couple of years now. Nothing to do with 4-6.

But hey, I'm just the OP, what do I know?

LOL man!!!!!!!! Touche.:thumbup:

Kevin1476
04-17-2012, 12:04 PM
I am not making excuses for the guy, but I always thought his numbers were down because of the shoulder, I wanted to believe after the surgery he could get back to the performance he had his first year with us. I am now starting to believe this is not possible and even questioning whether he maybe hurt again. He was given the day off on Fri or Saturday, I cannot remember, which one? I thought that was odd, rest already? Normally, Dusty gives him a wed. or thur. game off ( afternoon or Sunday).

TeamSelig
04-17-2012, 12:22 PM
Rolen has sucked for like 1.5 seasons now.

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04-17-2012, 05:35 PM
but he is a good leader heck of a boy scout

Falcon7
04-17-2012, 05:52 PM
Rolen is done and I think he knows it. He is 6'4 245lbs and is now a Judy hitter.
3 HR's after Allstar break in 2010, and 5 in 2011.
Hannigan had 6 last year, Cairo 8, and Frazier 6.

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05-12-2012, 07:11 PM
too bad I had this fraud correct two years ago