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cincrazy
04-16-2012, 09:52 PM
In your opinion, what is the best single-season pitching performance of all time? It can be as a starter or a reliever.

In KC's thread that details the Reds stats through 10 games, I noticed Chapman's WHIP through 10 games if .38, and it made me curious as to what the all-time record was for a single season. And that led me to Pedro's 2000 season, when he compiled a .7373 WHIP, 1.74 ERA, 284 strikeouts, 32 BB, and a 291 ERA +, amongst other absolutely absurd numbers. In the HEIGHT OF THE STEROID ERA, PLAYING IN BANDBOX BALLPARKS. That season is unfathomable to me, and I can't imagine a more impressive performance than that one. Thoughts?

westofyou
04-16-2012, 10:02 PM
My pick is Ed Walsh 1908, a magnificent season, 464 Ip 1755 batters faced, 66 games a whip of 0.86

dougdirt
04-16-2012, 10:15 PM
Pedro Martinez, 2000.

Best ERA+ ever (with all due respect to Tim O'Keefe in 1888 who had a better one, it doesn't count IMO). His ERA was 1.74 (in a hitters park). The AL ERA that year was 4.91. So his ERA was 3.18 better than league average. 0.74 WHIP. 8.88 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

klw
04-16-2012, 10:21 PM
In the category of guys who probably won't get a ton of support but could at least get mentioned:

Eric Gagne 2003 82 1/3 1.20 era whip of 0.692, 0 blown saves, 55 saves, 15 k/9 ERA+ of 337
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gagneer01.shtml


Mike Marshall 1974 210 innings pitched in relief in 106 games, ERA+ of 144 His other numbers are good but those are the silly ones
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marshmi01.shtml

Dennis Eckersly put up sick numbers in 89, 90
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/eckerde01.shtml

With Mariano Rivera there is no single season that really stands out as truly sick- maybe 2008?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riverma01-pitch.shtml

nate
04-16-2012, 10:52 PM
Pedro Martinez, 2000.

Best ERA+ ever (with all due respect to Tim O'Keefe in 1888 who had a better one, it doesn't count IMO). His ERA was 1.74 (in a hitters park). The AL ERA that year was 4.91. So his ERA was 3.18 better than league average. 0.74 WHIP. 8.88 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

How about 1999?

FIP- of 30 WITH a .323 BABIP (as opposed to .236 in 2000...what a crazy swing) a 13.2 K/9 and 0.38 HR/9.

Two great seasons to be sure though.

BCubb2003
04-16-2012, 10:54 PM
Bob Gibson 1968 deserves mention.

westofyou
04-16-2012, 11:04 PM
Bob Gibson 1968 deserves mention.

Great year, but a pitching year apex (like my Walsh pick)

Pedro in relevance to the league is a like Lefty Grove in the 30's just heads and shoulders above the peer group.

As far as my pick for Walsh, just a HUGE number of games involved in, IP and batters faced with a whip below 1.0

Sure it was a no cork ball, but dang.....

nate
04-16-2012, 11:07 PM
Great year, but a pitching year apex (like my Walsh pick)

Pedro in relevance to the league is a like Lefty Grove in the 30's just heads and shoulders above the peer group.

As far as my pick for Walsh, just a HUGE number of games involved in, IP and batters faced with a whip below 1.0

Sure it was a no cork ball, but dang.....

Word. These days, pitchers who throw HALF that number of innings are "workhorses."

Wow.

George Anderson
04-16-2012, 11:18 PM
Great year, but a pitching year apex (like my Walsh pick)

Pedro in relevance to the league is a like Lefty Grove in the 30's just heads and shoulders above the peer group.

As far as my pick for Walsh, just a HUGE number of games involved in, IP and batters faced with a whip below 1.0

Sure it was a no cork ball, but dang.....

Yea my first thought was Walsh pitched during the Dead Ball era so his numbers are kinda tainted but after looking at his numbers, whether it was the Deadball era or not, they were amazing.

Then again his career was shortened by arm trouble. Go figure.

George Anderson
04-16-2012, 11:33 PM
Denny McClain in 1968 and Ron Guidry in 1978 were pretty impressive.

Dan
04-16-2012, 11:43 PM
Steve Carlton 1972 was the first to come to my mind.

1.97 ERA, 30 complete games, WHIP of 0.993, 310K, and most impressive he recorded 27 of his team's 59 victories that year. Just nuts.

mth123
04-16-2012, 11:54 PM
Hard to choose and Pedro or Walsh may be it, but in no particular order, these guys might be in the conversation

Bob Gibson, 1968

22-9, 1.12, 268K, Whip of .853, ERA+ of 258 in 304.2 IP.

Christy Mathewson 1905:

31-9, 1.28, 206K, WHIP of .933 ERA+ of 230 in 338.2 IP

Dwight Gooden 1985

24-4, 1.53, 268K, WHIP of .965, ERA+ of 229 in 276.2 IP

Lefty Grove 1931

31-4, 2.06, 175K, WHIP of 1.077, ERA+ of 220 in 288.2 IP.

Ron Guidry 1978

25-3, 1.74, 248K, WHIP of .946, ERA+ of 208 in 273.2 IP

Greg Maddux 1994

16-6, 1.56, 156K, WHIP of .896, ERA+ of 271 in 202 IP (Season was cancelled in August and check out 1995 also).

Grover Cleveland Alexander 1905

31-10, 1.22, 2K, WHIP of .842, ERA+ of 225 in 376.1 IP.

Three Finger Brown 1906

26.-6, 1.04, 144K, WHIP of .934, ERA+ of 253 in 277.1 IP.

Addie Joss 1908

24-11, 1.16, 130K, WHIP of .806, ERA+ of 206 in 325 IP.

Tom Servo
04-17-2012, 12:01 AM
How about Walter Johnson's 1913 season? 36-7, 1.14 ERA, 243K, .780 WHIP.

RedlegJake
04-17-2012, 01:19 AM
What makes Martinez and Groves seasons so incredible to me was that they came in the middle of offensive peaks when hitters were tearing it up and pitchers were getting bombed.

RANDY IN INDY
04-17-2012, 01:44 PM
Steve Carlton 1972 was the first to come to my mind.

1.97 ERA, 30 complete games, WHIP of 0.993, 310K, and most impressive he recorded 27 of his team's 59 victories that year. Just nuts.

:beerme:

Gibson's and McLain's '68 :beerme:

MikeThierry
04-17-2012, 02:01 PM
How about Walter Johnson's 1913 season? 36-7, 1.14 ERA, 243K, .780 WHIP.

That is my choice. Just pure dominance. 36 wins is unheard of. I still have to give props to guys who pitched that many innings yet continued to have amazing success later on in the season.

For me its:

Pedro in 2000
Gibson in 1968
Johnson in 1913

redsmetz
04-17-2012, 02:42 PM
I know this is for all of MLB history, but I thought I'd throw out a handful of Reds performances & I'd be interested in hearing from board historians their thoughts on some of them.

Dolf Luque's 1923 season, 27-7, 322 IP, 1.93 ERA, WHIP 1.14 ERA+ 201

Bucky Walters 1939 MVP season, 27-11, 319 IP, 2.29 ERA, WHIP 1.125, ERA+ 170
(coupled with Paul Derringer's 25-7, 301 IP, 2.93 ERA, 1.183 WHIP). SI had a list of their top ten pitching tandems and Walters & Derringer were #10. Between 1939 and 1941, Walters pitched more than 900 innings.

The 1960's had so many good pitchers. For the Reds, Bob Purkey had his 23-5 record, 2.81 ERA, 288.1 IP, WHIP 1.124

A couple of others I wonder about are Fred Toney's 1915 season and Noodles Hahn's 1901 season. And the ERA for the entire squad in 1919 was 2.23, NL average was 2.91, AL average was 3.22.

None of these stand alone to compare with many of the other seasons mentioned here, but I thought I'd throw out some Reds pitchers to get some comment.

RANDY IN INDY
04-17-2012, 04:49 PM
That Walters Derringer tandem was top notch!:beerme:

757690
04-17-2012, 04:53 PM
Gibson in 1968 for one reason. He lost 9 games with a 1.12 ERA. Now that's impressive!

RedsBaron
04-17-2012, 05:14 PM
If I could have any pitcher in major league history start game seven of a World Series for me, Sandy Koufax circa 1965-66 would get the ball.

wheels
04-17-2012, 05:46 PM
What Pedro did in 1999/2000, as the Seriod Era was reaching it's zenith..... Astounding.

brad1176
04-18-2012, 12:05 AM
What Pedro did in 2000 was remarkable, no doubt.

I give the best season(s) to Koufax though, 65 and 66. He woke up one morning in the spring of 65, his arm black and blue from hemorrhaging and was told that he shouldn't pitch again. Did he give up? No, he only went on to pitch 335 innings in 65, won the pitcher's triple crown (26 wins, 2.04 ERA, 382 K's), won the Cy Young, and pitched a perfect game.

1966 Koufax was told to retire, his arm couldn't take it anymore. He only went on to again win the triple crown (27 wins, ERA of 1.73, 317 K's), and win the Cy Young.

cincrazy
04-18-2012, 12:35 AM
Can we update this list to include the collective effort of all the pitchers that pitched against the Reds in 2012? Is it too early for that?