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Dan
04-19-2012, 08:52 PM
Former Reds' pitcher Carl Mays' numbers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maysca01.shtml) are very comparable to Don Drysdale (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drysddo01.shtml). I'm wondering why he isn't in the Hall of Fame.

George Anderson
04-19-2012, 09:01 PM
Former Reds' pitcher Carl Mays' numbers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maysca01.shtml) are very comparable to Don Drysdale (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drysddo01.shtml). I'm wondering why he isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Well for one, alot of people including Bill James don't think Drysdale belongs.

Big Klu
04-19-2012, 09:02 PM
Former Reds' pitcher Carl Mays' numbers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maysca01.shtml) are very comparable to Don Drysdale (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drysddo01.shtml). I'm wondering why he isn't in the Hall of Fame.

I can't speak to the Veterans' Committee, but I wonder if the Ray Chapman incident affected his stock with the voters in the early days.

westofyou
04-19-2012, 09:11 PM
As popular as Drysdale was Mays was the polar opposite to the power of ten.

In short he was one of the most unliked players in his era, accused of throwing games by McGraw at one time (in the World Series no less) he was for one guy and that was Carl, he also made sure everyone knew that as well.

Another reason might be the value hitters have in that era over pitchers, there are not many guys from that era who are in there, it is an oddity.

Pitchers from that era are short changed also because they are coming a generation after the work horses of early 20th century, they pitched less innings and had higher era's because the game had changed, only the astute would note that in comparison, so they never seemed to measure up when their time to be considered came up. especially when you consider he had 208 wins when he retired, 209 less than Walter Johnson.

RedlegJake
04-20-2012, 03:34 PM
Mays was a horses rear. He was as disliked as Ty Cobb, maybe more so because Cobb was at least respected as a player. Think Dick Allen, or Alex Johnson, or any guy like that and multiply it - that's how the players, writers and most everyone who knew him thought of Mays. Now that time has worn some of that resentment off and maybe the old timers committee can review his record dispassionately there is the spectre that WoY alludes to - the rumors, whispers and allegations that Mays threw games, not just the WS that McGraw accused him of either. He was suspected of being involved in many shady dealings involving gambling. A Hal Chase kind of character on the pitching mound. Underhanded shenanigans involving games was a lot more common than we want to admit (or baseball wants to admit, anyway). Even after Landis was hired to clean things up - and they had gotten very bad - the Black Sox scandal was just the proverbial tip of the iceberg - there were a lot of players involved in some pretty shady stuff. Mays was one of the worst.

Tom Servo
04-20-2012, 04:31 PM
Plus he killed a guy.

Dan
04-20-2012, 05:45 PM
Thanks everyone. There's a lot more than meets the eye here and I appreciate the information.