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SidneySlicker
04-25-2012, 11:37 AM
While there were a lot of things we as Reds fans have to be excited about after last night's game (Latos performance & offense), one thing I'm excited about and I think is getting overlooked is Lecure throwing behind Buster Posey.

I know that SF wasn't trying to throw at Joey, but this is a team/pitching staff in the past that hasn't stood up for our guys. I'm so excited that a message was finally sent to other teams, that you aren't going to screw with our players (especially Joey) without payback. It shows team unity, it shows that our pitchers have some balls and nastyness to them. Kudos Sam Lecure, well done.

joshua
04-25-2012, 12:09 PM
I don't think he pitch to Votto was intentional...Otero was shaking out on the mound and getting absolutely rocked. I felt sorry for the kid.

But I think Sam 100% knew what he was doing. Whether or not it was because Dusty or Price told him to or if he was just pissed they hit Joey, I don't know.

texasdave
04-25-2012, 12:18 PM
I happen to feel like it was a little bit chicken droppings. They didn't throw at Votto on purpose and IMO you should never throw behind a batter. I wonder if San Francisco thinks everything is fair and square now. I guess we will find out if Votto or Phillips or Bruce gets plunked early. If you think they hit Votto on purpose then fine. I do not believe that was the case.

joshua
04-25-2012, 12:23 PM
I happen to feel like it was a little bit chicken droppings. They didn't throw at Votto on purpose and IMO you should never throw behind a batter. I wonder if San Francisco thinks everything is fair and square now. I guess we will find out if Votto or Phillips or Bruce gets plunked early. If you think they hit Votto on purpose then fine. I do not believe that was the case.

Yeah. Otero was all over the place. Kid was completely lost out there.

BigJohn
04-25-2012, 12:25 PM
And the message sent was that Dusty doesn't know the difference!

smixsell
04-25-2012, 01:01 PM
I don't think Votto was hit intentionally but I still like what LeCure did. It sends the right message to our opponents. PS This team needs to discover a little bit of a nasty streak and use it.

dubc47834
04-25-2012, 01:31 PM
And the message sent was that Dusty doesn't know the difference!

What's this got to do with Dusty. If Lecure threw at Posey on purpose it probly didn't come from Dusty. I imagine it was Lecure sticking up for his team mate, they even said so on the broadcast last nite.

RedsBrick
04-25-2012, 01:36 PM
Another good message sent goes to baker for getting in Harris' ear after failing to go first to third.

Stray
04-25-2012, 01:59 PM
I don't think they purposely threw at Votto, but I like the message being sent that this team is going to look out for him. Hit our star and we'll hit yours, the ball wasn't thrown high or anything so it's all good imo. Stubbs also went hard into 2nd in a 9-0 game and rose up on their SS to try and break up a throw...I'm assuming the SF dugout didn't like that one too much either.

Either way, I like it.

BigJohn
04-25-2012, 02:25 PM
You don't think Dusty called the plunking? You aren't suppose to serve up a tater after trying to plunk a guy, either!

Big Red Hoss
04-25-2012, 02:32 PM
You don't think Dusty called the plunking? You aren't suppose to serve up a tater after trying to plunk a guy, either!

Wasn't really a tater. Posey went downlow to get that one and golfed it out. It was a nice piece of hitting by posey.

New York Red
04-25-2012, 02:50 PM
I guess I'm in the minority, but I thought they hit Votto intentionally. And from Joey's reaction, I think he felt that way too.

texasdave
04-25-2012, 03:06 PM
I guess I'm in the minority, but I thought they hit Votto intentionally. And from Joey's reaction, I think he felt that way too.

Why would they put another base runner on in a close game? At the time it was still just 3-0 and Votto had Kd twice earlier in the game. Hit Joey at that time on purpose serves what end?

I have to disagree.

texasdave
04-25-2012, 03:15 PM
I don't think they purposely threw at Votto, but I like the message being sent that this team is going to look out for him. Hit our star and we'll hit yours, the ball wasn't thrown high or anything so it's all good imo. Stubbs also went hard into 2nd in a 9-0 game and rose up on their SS to try and break up a throw...I'm assuming the SF dugout didn't like that one too much either.

Either way, I like it.

It is not like the league has been head-hunting Votto. He rarely gets HBP. Four times all last year, and not once did a Reds' pitcher send a message back to the other team. Joey got hit 3 times in a two-week period and no retaliatory messages were sent. Maybe that was LeCure's decision to do that on his own last night. Maybe it was Baker's. In either case it was bush league. I am not a big fan of throwing baseballs at 90 MPH to send messages.

Mutaman
04-25-2012, 03:53 PM
Wasn't really a tater. Posey went downlow to get that one and golfed it out. It was a nice piece of hitting by posey.

:thumbup: Big time piece of hitting by a big time hitter.

Mutaman
04-25-2012, 03:58 PM
I am not a big fan of throwing baseballs at 90 MPH to send messages.

Don Drysdale would be turning over in his grave. Bob Gibson is laughing. This was the way baseball used to be played and its the era Baker played in. And I don't recall any more batters getting hurt back in the 60s and 70s than they do now.

Send messages and pitch inside. If batters don't like it, they can answer the way Possey did last night.

New York Red
04-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Why would they put another base runner on in a close game? At the time it was still just 3-0 and Votto had Kd twice earlier in the game. Hit Joey at that time on purpose serves what end?

I have to disagree.
Fair points, but I see it from both sides. First base was open and a right-hander was pitching. First pitch plunks Votto in the thigh, which is the preferred spot to aim if you want to plunk a guy. I agree it wasn't the ideal scenario to intentionally hit a batter, but with first base open and the pitcher probably preferring to face a right-handed hitter, it's certainly possible. I thought the look on Joey's face said he thought it was intentional too. I seriously thought when he picked up the ball he was going to fire it back at the pitcher.

Jr's Boy
04-25-2012, 11:07 PM
Whether you like it or not,it's one of the unwritten rules of the game.And it has to be used when required.

Norm Chortleton
04-26-2012, 01:26 AM
I don't regret that LeCure threw at him, because I think it's never a bad thing for an opposing hitter to think that it could be coming at any time. But it was unwarranted. If the Giants are going to throw at Votto on purpose they aren't going to do it with a breaking ball.

lidspinner
04-26-2012, 05:50 AM
Texasdave....I agree that baseballs being used as weapons at 90 plus MPH sounds a little silly and foolish but pitching inside and getting batters off the plate, or just getting them off balance is a trick used in all levels of baseball outside little league. Any chance you get to make that batter think instead of react then you are winning the mental game already. As long as batters are not being hit on the helmet I think it's ok to send a message. Like all things, the message needs to be sent in moderation. I have seen some pitchers in the 1980's throw at a batter for hitting the ball hard..that's going to far. But if you wanna win, you pitch inside and you must plunk a batter from time to time and you must set the tone for your time on the mound. Just don't overdue it. I don't think the reds overdue it at all. In fact, I wish they would pitch inside a little more often. If players don't like it they can do what Buster did and smack the next pitch out of the park.

Old NDN
04-26-2012, 11:00 AM
I think the Reds were kind of unsure whether Votto's plunking was on intentional or not. Therefore, here's one behind you to let you know, if it was, we'll be firing back. A warning shot, if you will. No harm.

smixsell
04-26-2012, 12:59 PM
It is not like the league has been head-hunting Votto. He rarely gets HBP. Four times all last year, and not once did a Reds' pitcher send a message back to the other team. Joey got hit 3 times in a two-week period and no retaliatory messages were sent. Maybe that was LeCure's decision to do that on his own last night. Maybe it was Baker's. In either case it was bush league. I am not a big fan of throwing baseballs at 90 MPH to send messages.

Bush league my *ss, I'm glad you're not in charge.

smixsell
04-26-2012, 12:59 PM
I think the Reds were kind of unsure whether Votto's plunking was on intentional or not. Therefore, here's one behind you to let you know, if it was, we'll be firing back. A warning shot, if you will. No harm.

Spot on.

texasdave
04-26-2012, 01:09 PM
Bush league my *ss, I'm glad you're not in charge.

I was thinking the very same thing about you. Funny how that works like that. It's easy to call for beanballs at 90 mph sitting behind your keyboard. LOL