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R_Webb18
04-26-2012, 04:37 PM
yes we should won and it was a tough lose.

please don't overreact to 1 blown save. it will happen. hopefully not much tho. we can talk after 2,3 ect.

the 1 good thing is we won 2/3 that's the key.

this is why winning game 1 is so important. if you do so you have 2 chances to win the series.

joeyvottoisneat
04-26-2012, 04:40 PM
yes we should won and it was a tough lose.

please don't overreact to 1 blown save. it will happen. hopefully not much tho. we can talk after 2,3 ect.

the 1 good thing is we won 2/3 that's the key.

this is why winning game 1 is so important. if you do so you have 2 chances to win the series.

Very well said. No need to overreact to this. Especially with the next 6 against Houston and Chicago. Take 4 or 5 out of the next 6 and we'll be right back on the right side of .500.

will5979
04-26-2012, 05:01 PM
yes we should won and it was a tough lose.

please don't overreact to 1 blown save. it will happen. hopefully not much tho. we can talk after 2,3 ect.

the 1 good thing is we won 2/3 that's the key.

this is why winning game 1 is so important. if you do so you have 2 chances to win the series.

You are missing the point or drinking Dusty's Kool-Aid, you can't GIVE games away. That is exactly what happened.

brm7675
04-26-2012, 05:05 PM
You are missing the point or drinking Dusty's Kool-Aid, you can't GIVE games away. That is exactly what happened.

I would rather have the players "give away" a game due to just bad plays then have Dusty give them away by poor managing. Today the players didn't get the job done, from Votto, to Stubbs, to Cozart to Marshall...this one is on the players and that happens.

Red Raindog
04-26-2012, 05:13 PM
On the down side -- Reds were 1 for 7 with RISP

RedsBrick
04-26-2012, 05:16 PM
You are missing the point or drinking Dusty's Kool-Aid, you can't GIVE games away. That is exactly what happened.

To me the point is this: 12 hits, 5 runs, Rolen's bat is showing signs of heating up, Ondrusek and the rest of the pen is pitching lights out and the Reds won the series against the team that looks to win the West.

Would much rather win that game, no doubt. But it's baseball...Marshall admits his control wasn't there when he first came in and his money pitch missed its spot. Game over. Ya move on to tomorrow knowing you're starting to play better as a team.

will5979
04-26-2012, 05:22 PM
To me the point is this: 12 hits, 5 runs, Rolen's bat is showing signs of heating up, Ondrusek and the rest of the pen is pitching lights out and the Reds won the series against the team that looks to win the West.

Would much rather win that game, no doubt. But it's baseball...Marshall admits his control wasn't there when he first came in and his money pitch missed its spot. Game over. Ya move on to tomorrow knowing you're starting to play better as a team.

Playing better, absolutely. But I'm worried today's loss could sink the team into another skid. I can't imagine anything during the season hurting worse than when it looks like you are turning things around and right on the verge of victory an old, fat, blind umpire steals it from you.

malcontent
04-26-2012, 05:39 PM
Just saw the Stubbs' double.

If he wasn't coasting the whole way, he could have been standing on 3B.

Was it 3 Ks today? One a called third on another 1-2 count in the ninth.

Zero bunt attempts. Again. Why doesn't Baker ever call for him to bunt?

Extremely frustrating.

texasdave
04-26-2012, 05:50 PM
If he wasn't coasting the whole way, he could have been standing on 3B.

This is not just Stubbs. I notice a lot of times baseball players 'assume' things instead of playing hard.

malcontent
04-26-2012, 05:53 PM
This is not just Stubbs. I notice a lot of times baseball players 'assume' things instead of playing hard.
Agreed.

But if B. Hamilton could hit it that deep, he'd have at least a triple.

I'm counting on that from him.

RedsBrick
04-26-2012, 06:02 PM
Playing better, absolutely. But I'm worried today's loss could sink the team into another skid. I can't imagine anything during the season hurting worse than when it looks like you are turning things around and right on the verge of victory an old, fat, blind umpire steals it from you.

I agree it was a pretty tough no-call. I don't get that sinking feeling, though, but I guess time will tell.

At worst they need series wins in the next two at home and would love 5 out of 6!

Mutaman
04-26-2012, 07:40 PM
THis was a really tough loss and no amount of philosophizing will change that.

That said, i recall we blew a few like this in 2010 (Cody Ross?) and picked ourselves up of the ground.

But this was a tough one.

Mutaman
04-26-2012, 07:42 PM
I would rather have the players "give away" a game due to just bad plays then have Dusty give them away by poor managing. Today the players didn't get the job done, from Votto, to Stubbs, to Cozart to Marshall...this one is on the players and that happens.

Oh I'm sure if you thought about it real hard you could blame Dusty for something.

will5979
04-26-2012, 09:36 PM
I agree it was a pretty tough no-call. I don't get that sinking feeling, though, but I guess time will tell.

At worst they need series wins in the next two at home and would love 5 out of 6!

Winning the next 2 series will quickly erase this pain. Only thing that sucks is, our record after winning the next 2 series will just be 1, ONE FREAKING game over .500 (13-12). I was hoping by this point we would be at least 4-7 over.

DGullett35
04-26-2012, 10:17 PM
Even the great Sandman blows saves. Heck he blew one on opening day in Tampa..What matters is if Marshall can erase that thought of Pagan and come back tomm. night in the 9th vs. the Stros and put em down 1,2,3. That will tell us alot about how Marshall is going to be as this teams closer.

Ironman92
04-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Pagan is tough on the Reds.

He had a 5 RBI game at GABP last year mixed in with GG CF that series. Good player.

Mutaman
04-26-2012, 10:24 PM
Even the great Sandman blows saves. Heck he blew one on opening day in Tampa..What matters is if Marshall can erase that thought of Pagan and come back tomm. night in the 9th vs. the Stros and put em down 1,2,3. That will tell us alot about how Marshall is going to be as this teams closer.

Good point. The good closers (including KoKo) have no memory. Knowing Baker, he will get Marshall back in a game as soon as he can.

Old NDN
04-27-2012, 12:03 AM
I can't think of one successful MLB team that has a closer who tops out 90-91mph. Not saying they're not out there, I just can't come up with any.

R_Webb18
04-27-2012, 12:13 AM
I can't think of one successful MLB team that has a closer who tops out 90-91mph. Not saying they're not out there, I just can't come up with any.

well he's not a fastball pitcher

Old NDN
04-27-2012, 11:21 AM
well he's not a fastball pitcher

My point, exactly. Most successful closers in the last several years have usually been hard-throwing guys, not a curveball specialist. He's not the conventional, prototypical closer.

smixsell
04-27-2012, 05:44 PM
I can't think of one successful MLB team that has a closer who tops out 90-91mph. Not saying they're not out there, I just can't come up with any.

John Franco and Sparky Lyle are two closers from the past that come to mind. Just because hard throwing closers are en vogue today doesn't mean that someone who throws 90-91 should be rejected. However, I do think that in a small ballpark like GABP, its highly preferable to have a flamethrower closing.