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smixsell
04-28-2012, 07:30 PM
Our most dominant reliever (who supposedly can't EVER pitch 2 days in a row) is wasted in a 6-0 game? Now when we need him in a close game tomorrow, Crusty will say he didn't want to use him 2 days in a row. Friggen brilliant. Crusty might be be the dumbest manager I've ever seen in my 40 years of following MLB. He can even find a way to screw up a 6-0 victory. Unbelievable.

dubc47834
04-28-2012, 08:31 PM
Our most dominant reliever (who supposedly can't EVER pitch 2 days in a row) is wasted in a 6-0 game? Now when we need him in a close game tomorrow, Crusty will say he didn't want to use him 2 days in a row. Friggen brilliant. Crusty might be be the dumbest manager I've ever seen in my 40 years of following MLB. He can even find a way to screw up a 6-0 victory. Unbelievable.

You also may be the dumbest poster on here ever. Stop complaining!!!

R_Webb18
04-28-2012, 09:05 PM
there's a decent amount of the reds bullpen doing good.

Logan o (pitched today)

J.J. Hoover (pitched yesterday)

Jose Arredondo (pitched yesterday)

Alfredo Simon (I'm not sure but i think he did also)

Sam LeCure (not sure but you have to save him for longer than 1 inning here in case Latos gets in trouble early)

Sean Marshall (I guess he could pitch but no need to waste him here in case he has to pitch tomorrow.)

so idk I don't see the big deal.

read favorite
04-28-2012, 09:14 PM
yes two weeks ago in a tie game with cARDINALS A NOT IMPORTANT RIVAL DUSTY BROUGHT IN BRAY AND LECURE IN EXTRA innings

great move

but today in a close game against the potent aSTROS HE BROUGHT IN CHAPMAN STRONG WORK THAT IS WHY NO SANE PERSON CAN HOPE THIS TEAM WILL ACHIEVE ANYTHING WITH BAKER

Ironman92
04-28-2012, 10:13 PM
Yeah....his reason will be "he needs work to stay sharp"

They all do....I didn't like bringing in Ondrusek either.

Chapman struggles some in the cooler weather.

smixsell
04-28-2012, 10:26 PM
You also may be the dumbest poster on here ever. Stop complaining!!!

Very intelligent counter argument, you must be a regular Albert Einstein.

R_Webb18
04-28-2012, 10:53 PM
wow at some people.

Stray
04-28-2012, 11:02 PM
there's a decent amount of the reds bullpen doing good.

Logan o (pitched today)

J.J. Hoover (pitched yesterday)

Jose Arredondo (pitched yesterday)

Alfredo Simon (I'm not sure but i think he did also)

Sam LeCure (not sure but you have to save him for longer than 1 inning here in case Latos gets in trouble early)

Sean Marshall (I guess he could pitch but no need to waste him here in case he has to pitch tomorrow.)

so idk I don't see the big deal.

Pretty much this. You can't wear other guys out avoiding non closer arms in your pen. Chapman pitching today is a direct result of leake and our defenses poor effort yesterday.

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Ironman92
04-28-2012, 11:07 PM
I don't see saving LeCure in case Latos has trouble. If LeCure throws 2 innings today you have everyone available tomorrow if Latos struggles.

R_Webb18
04-28-2012, 11:09 PM
I don't see saving LeCure in case Latos has trouble. If LeCure throws 2 innings today you have everyone available tomorrow if Latos struggles.

maybe so but there still no reason chapman cant pitch.

The Operator
04-29-2012, 03:45 AM
Very intelligent counter argument, you must be a regular Albert Einstein.If you don't want people to react badly, don't start threads titled "Is Crusty on crack?" where you refer to him as the "dumbest manager ever". You can get your point across without being so over the top. Just my $.02

But for that matter, there's also no need for anyone to add on and call the original poster "the dumbest poster ever", which is also unnecessary and over the top. So I guess what I'm saying is play more nicely, everyone.

brm7675
04-29-2012, 07:46 AM
Attempting to understand Dusty's use of the bulllpen is futile....

redssince75
04-29-2012, 08:14 AM
I know this won't satisfy the OP, but the explanation is quite simple, and most managers would do it (following some of the unwritten rules of baseball).

1) You don't use your "closer" in a non-save situation.

2) You do use your next-best bullpen arm, especially if he might be a future closer and he can "audition" in a "fake save" last-inning situation.

Not saying I would necessarily follow those rules (I don't like the whole "closer" concept), but I know Dusty loves those kinds of "rules" (the catcher hits 8th), so there ya go.

DocRed
04-29-2012, 08:56 AM
You don't argue wit da dice...

http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/4/40/DustysDugoutDice.jpg

Ironman92
04-29-2012, 11:19 AM
maybe so but there still no reason chapman cant pitch.

Use LeCure in the 6-0 game for two innings and you are at full strength next game if needed.....use Ondrusek and Chapman and you have less for use in tomorrow's unknown game. If you have 2 or 3 blowouts in a row then you definitely will have everyone including Chapman, Marshall and Ondrusek pitching in unneeded situations...but to simply get in some work.

Not a huge deal that he pitched yesterday....but knowing how Dusty uses the bullpen in extras it's perplexing to say the least.

smixsell
04-29-2012, 11:35 AM
You don't argue wit da dice...

http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/4/40/DustysDugoutDice.jpg

Spot on.:)

GoReds19
04-29-2012, 12:26 PM
Use LeCure in the 6-0 game for two innings and you are at full strength next game if needed.....use Ondrusek and Chapman and you have less for use in tomorrow's unknown game. If you have 2 or 3 blowouts in a row then you definitely will have everyone including Chapman, Marshall and Ondrusek pitching in unneeded situations...but to simply get in some work.

Not a huge deal that he pitched yesterday....but knowing how Dusty uses the bullpen in extras it's perplexing to say the least.

What if Lecure comes in and blows it.... Starts the bleeding noone else can stop, we've all seen it happen. All im saying is the Reds won, we should all be happy..... In baseball no lead is safe.

GoReds19
04-29-2012, 12:27 PM
^ Plus Chapman was his freshest arm.... Needed a little work.

Ironman92
04-29-2012, 12:40 PM
What if Lecure comes in and blows it.... Starts the bleeding noone else can stop, we've all seen it happen. All im saying is the Reds won, we should all be happy..... In baseball no lead is safe.

Why would no one else be able to stop it? 6-0 against the Astros with 6 outs left?....If LeCure sucked and let a couple runners on then put Ondrusek or Chapman in.....proven guys to hold on.

What if Chapman comes into a cool weather game in an unusual scenario and let's the bases get loaded and then goes to a 3-0 count?

Either way it's not a big deal.....but it's a slight thing that weakens you some the next game.

bigredmechanism
04-29-2012, 12:50 PM
wow at some people.

Indeed.

BRM13
04-29-2012, 04:49 PM
He might have been thinking that Latos would dominate on Sunday. Then with the off day on Monday, Chapman wouldn't pitch for something like 5 days. The Reds appear to believe that he needs to pitch regularly, just not too regularly, to maintain his control. I was a little surprised to see Chapman in the game at that point, but I can see how he might have thought he needed to get him into a game.

GoReds19
04-29-2012, 06:52 PM
Why would no one else be able to stop it? 6-0 against the Astros with 6 outs left?....If LeCure sucked and let a couple runners on then put Ondrusek or Chapman in.....proven guys to hold on.

What if Chapman comes into a cool weather game in an unusual scenario and let's the bases get loaded and then goes to a 3-0 count?

Either way it's not a big deal.....but it's a slight thing that weakens you some the next game.

I just always think back to that Atlanta game last year when it just didnt matter who they put in.

JayStubbs
04-29-2012, 07:37 PM
^ Plus Chapman was his freshest arm.... Needed a little work.

Yep. He hadn't pitched since Wed. Probably the reason he was rusty and wild. Better have him dust the cobwebs off in a 6-0 game than a close one. Also, letting him pitch the ninth is good experience for him.

smixsell
04-30-2012, 10:17 AM
Yep. He hadn't pitched since Wed. Probably the reason he was rusty and wild. Better have him dust the cobwebs off in a 6-0 game than a close one. Also, letting him pitch the ninth is good experience for him.

Yea, he was rusty from TWO whole days off.

bmwreds31
04-30-2012, 01:42 PM
Yea, he was rusty from TWO whole days off.

LoL Certainly not the dumbest poster ever. Sometimes when you start to make sense around here. You get blasted for it.

I completely agree with you. Wasting Chapman in a 6-0 blowout was not the greatest idea.

He was only on two days rest.

Using chapman in this case MAKES no sense what so ever.

Dusty forgivers a lot of times dont understand baseball either. Ive never been a complete Dusty basher. But i certainly can see where some peoples frustrations come from with him.