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RedsBaron
05-01-2012, 02:05 PM
At lunch today I quickly skimmed through the current "Baseball Digest," which had an article about the best 3-4 hitter combos in baseball history. Understandably Ruth and Gehrig had several seasons that were mentioned, but I was struck by a couple of curious omissions/selections.
The article listed the 1960 season by Hank Aaron and Eddie Mathews. They were a great duo for more than a decade and both were very good in 1960....but they were clearly better in 1959 and that season was not mentioned.
In 1960 Aaron had a .292 BA/.352 OBP/.566 SPT with 40 HR and 126 RBI;
Mathews had a line of .277/.397/.551 39 124.
Compare that to 1959: Aaron was .355/.401/.636 39 123 while Mathews had a line of .306/.390/.593 46 114.
The article also mentioned Carl Yastrzemski and Tonny Conigliaro of the 1970 Red Sox but made no mention of Johnny Bench and Tony Perez for any season. In 1970 Yaz hit .329/.452/.592 40 102, a line very similar to that of Perez that same season, as Doggie went .317/.401/.589 40 129.
Bench however had a much better 1970 than did Tony C. Conigliaro had a line of .266/.324/.498 36 116 while Bench went .293/.345/.587 45 148.
Anyway, what are some other dynamic duo seasons, both all time and among contemporary players?

Vottomatic
05-01-2012, 02:07 PM
Kearns and Dunn? :D

cumberlandreds
05-01-2012, 02:09 PM
Votto and Bruce...oops leftys can't hit back to back. :)

Vottomatic
05-01-2012, 02:11 PM
Griffey and A-Rod?
Pujols and Holliday?
Fielder and Braun?

MikeThierry
05-01-2012, 02:18 PM
Can you link the article? I would love to read that.

The 2004 Cardinals had an insane lineup. Not only was Pujols and Edmonds deadly but Rolen had the best year of his career.

Pujols: .331, .415 OBP, .657 SLG, 1.072 OPS, 46 HR, 123 RBI
Edmonds: .301, .418 OBP, .643 SL, 1.061 OPS, 42 HR, 111 RBI
Rolen: .314, .409 OPB, .598 SLG, 1.007 OPS, 34 HR, 124 RBI

Sorry to localize it but that is by far the best 1-2 and 3 punch I have seen since watching baseball since the 1990's.

Ghosts of 1990
05-01-2012, 02:19 PM
If Bautista was himself, right now it would be Joey Bats and Edwin Encarnacion

WildcatFan
05-01-2012, 02:25 PM
Miggy Cabrera and Prince Fielder are as devastating as any on that list. They're scheduled to be together for the next four years.

George Anderson
05-01-2012, 02:25 PM
Maris Mantle

Snider Campanella

F Robinson Powell

PuffyPig
05-01-2012, 02:59 PM
If Bautista was himself, right now it would be Joey Bats and Edwin Encarnacion

Not if EE was also himself......

RedsBaron
05-01-2012, 03:21 PM
Can you link the article? I would love to read that.

I was skimming the article at a newsstand. I do not know if it is online. The pairing of Cabrera and Fielder seemed to be the genesis of the article.

cumberlandreds
05-01-2012, 03:35 PM
Here's a couple of combo's that hadn't been mentioned yet:

Mays/McCovey

McGwire/Canseco

Schmidt/Luzinski was a good one even just for a short few years

redhawkfish
05-01-2012, 03:48 PM
If they were truly sticking to the 3-4 hitters, I think Morgan hit third and then Bench and Perez.

klw
05-01-2012, 04:12 PM
Hard to top Maris/ Mantle in 61.

More recently there was Bonds/Kent in the early 00's, particularly in 01 with Aurillia 2, Bonds 3 Kent 4
big Papi/ Ramirez.

redsmetz
05-01-2012, 04:14 PM
I'd be curious to see Vada Pinson & Frank Robinson's numbers during the small number of years they occupied the 3/4 slots; from about 1962 thru 1965 mostly.

edabbs44
05-01-2012, 07:02 PM
There's a current Baseball Digest?

edabbs44
05-01-2012, 07:03 PM
Not if EE was also himself......

That's great.

mth123
05-02-2012, 05:25 AM
If they were truly sticking to the 3-4 hitters, I think Morgan hit third and then Bench and Perez.

Not in 1970. Perez hit 3rd behind Rose and Tolan with Bench 4th and Lee May 5th. The Carbo/McRae LF platoon hit 6th, Tommy Helms played 2nd and hit 7th the SS trio included Dave Concepcion, Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward and hit 8th. I remember it like it was yesterday.

That team was awesome and maybe my favorite Red's team ever (even though they didn't win it all). The deal for Morgan came after the 1971 season and it turned that powerhouse in to a team for the ages, but at the time, the trade of Lee May and Tommy Helms to the Astros was one of the saddest days of my life.

alexad
05-02-2012, 11:08 PM
Baseball Digest. I remember getting that small magazine in the mail. I love it. I did not know they still published it.

George Anderson
05-02-2012, 11:15 PM
Baseball Digest. I remember getting that small magazine in the mail. I love it. I did not know they still published it.

Now it is a larger magazine and its like bi monthly.

Big Klu
05-03-2012, 12:36 AM
Parker/Stargell were a pretty good duo in the late 70's.

HokieRed
05-03-2012, 12:52 AM
I'd be curious to see Vada Pinson & Frank Robinson's numbers during the small number of years they occupied the 3/4 slots; from about 1962 thru 1965 mostly.

Their best combined year was, I believe, 1961. Pinson: .343/.379/.504/.883
Robinson: .323/.404/.611/1.015

RedsBaron
05-03-2012, 12:00 PM
Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris of course combined for a record 115 HRs in 1961, but what is amazing is that season not only isn't the best 3-4 season ever, it may not even be the in the top five 3-4 seasons by Yankee teammates.
Lou Gehrig and Joe DiMaggio probably had a better 3-4 season in 1937 than M&M did in '61. Gehrig went .351/.473/.643 with 37 HR and 159 RBI while the Yankee Clipper went .346/.412/.673 with 46 HR and 167 RBI.
1937 wasn't the Iron Horse's best season or the best 3-4 combo he was a part of either. He and Babe Ruth had a string of terrific seasons, as Yankee managers ignored the future counsel of Dusty Baker and batted the two Yankee lefties back-to-back. Nothing topped their 1927 season, as Ruth had a line of .356/.486/.772 with 60 HR and 164 RBI while Gehrig went .373/.474/.765 with 47 HR and 175 RBI.

klw
05-03-2012, 12:51 PM
I think the '82 Reds combo of Dave Concepcion and Cesar Cedeno has to be on the list of the 10,000 Best 3/4 combos of all time.

cumberlandreds
05-03-2012, 01:31 PM
I think the '82 Reds combo of Dave Concepcion and Cesar Cedeno has to be on the list of the 10,000 Best 3/4 combos of all time.

It's just missed. It's 10,001. :)

RedsBaron
05-03-2012, 02:47 PM
Not in 1970. Perez hit 3rd behind Rose and Tolan with Bench 4th and Lee May 5th. The Carbo/McRae LF platoon hit 6th, Tommy Helms played 2nd and hit 7th the SS trio included Dave Concepcion, Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward and hit 8th. I remember it like it was yesterday.


That's how I remeber it too.
I took another look at the article in Baseball Digest today. I noticed it had Ted Kluzewski and Gus Bell listed for 1954 but credited Klu with only 45 HRs. I knew Klu hit 49 that season, the Reds single season record until George Foster's 52 in 1977.
I then read the article more closely. It said it was listing stats only for those games in which the duo in fact batted 3-4 in the order, adding that Hank Aaron and Eddie Mathews did not always bat that way with the Braves. If that is why the 1959 season by Aaron and Mathews isn't listed, I find it amazing that any manager would not have batted them back to back. They even had the righty-lefty thing going that Dusty loves. :)
Anyway, that got me to wondering if my memory was bad and that Doggie and Bench perhaps did not always bat 3-4 in 1970.
I don't have box scores for the 1970 season, but I did look up the box scores for the 1970 NLCS and World Series. In those 8 games Perez batted third and Bench fourth in each game (Sparky did flip Rose and Tolan in the order in a few games).
Maybe earlier in 1970 Sparky sometimes had Lee May batting behind Perez, maybe sometimes Carbo moved up in the order...or maybe Baseball Digest blew it.

klw
05-03-2012, 05:11 PM
I don't have box scores for the 1970 season, but I did look up the box scores for the 1970 NLCS and World Series.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/tgl.cgi?team=CIN&t=b&year=1970
Here are your 1970 Cincinnati Reds game logs. Just click on the date for the box score. For example if you click on April 13 you will see the Reds had Tolan/ Perez/ Bench 3/4/5. This trio appears in that order until May 12.

Big Klu
05-03-2012, 11:15 PM
Perez/Bench batted 3/4 in 106 games in 1970, and Bench/Perez batted 3/4 in another six games.