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Who Dey Time
05-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Tough series....let's start with a W!

Cozart SS
Stubbs CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Rolen 3B
Ludwick LF
Mesoraco C
Leake P

goreds2
05-11-2012, 04:08 PM
From Sheldon's blog: 5/11 vs WAS

*LHP Gio Gonzalez could be a handful for the Reds tonight. In two career starts, totaling 14 innings — Gonzalez has not allowed a run. He gave up two hits with no walks and seven strikeouts on April 12 vs. CIN at Washington.

*The Reds pitching staff ranks fifth in the NL with a 3.27 ERA. They are 12-6 with a 2.64 ERA over the last 18 games.


From me:
Let's go LEAKE. Prove this board wrong!

New York Red
05-11-2012, 05:08 PM
I was thinking Latos was going today. I forgot about the change last week due to the rainout. Not crazy about the Leake vs Gonzalez matchup. It definitely doesn't favor us.

texasdave
05-11-2012, 06:47 PM
I was thinking Latos was going today. I forgot about the change last week due to the rainout. Not crazy about the Leake vs Gonzalez matchup. It definitely doesn't favor us.

Guys are hard to beat when they don't let your team score. Of course, the Reds weathered Greinke.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 06:49 PM
I was thinking Latos was going today. I forgot about the change last week due to the rainout. Not crazy about the Leake vs Gonzalez matchup. It definitely doesn't favor us.

I agree. This first game looks like a tough one. But stranger things have happened.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:12 PM
A cold one in honor of Davey Johnson. :beerme:

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:16 PM
ugh

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:17 PM
good job leake

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:17 PM
Wow.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 07:17 PM
ugh

BIG +1

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:17 PM
lol

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Time to think up a plan B for Leake's rotation spot.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:18 PM
You could seriously just see that coming. All of Leake's put away pitches were fouled off, you knew he was gonna get one up and hit it hard.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:18 PM
You could seriously just see that coming. All of Leake's put away pitches were fouled off, you knew he was gonna get one up and hit it hard.

agree he's just 2 easy to hit off

joshua
05-11-2012, 07:19 PM
What has happened to Leake?!

NeilHamburger
05-11-2012, 07:19 PM
Why the f is leake even starting. Yesterday was an off day which was his spot. That's right, we have a manager who cares about his players feelings over winning.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:19 PM
Time to think up a plan B for Leake's rotation spot.
Yep, when you can't put away a .180 hitter after ten pitches, then he takes you deep, it's not a good sign.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:20 PM
More 3-2 counts, so annoying. Stop wasting so many pitches.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:20 PM
Wow, 20 pitches and still no outs.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:20 PM
its all mes fault b/c leake falls behind every batter!

NeilHamburger
05-11-2012, 07:21 PM
Leake couldn't get out Rookie ball hitters with his stuff.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 07:21 PM
OK -- it is now official -- I thought Leake was going to be something special

but

I'm getting ready to jump off of that bus.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:21 PM
Leake needs people to put his pitches in play. No need to try to nibble, you're not trying to strike guys out.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:22 PM
has he thrown 1st pitch strike yet?

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:22 PM
OK, Dusty, get somebody warmed up.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:22 PM
i new we should of skipped leake

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Wow.. Boos already...

read favorite
05-11-2012, 07:23 PM
again I told you that Leake is garbage but instead of listening the myrmidons claim how good leake is, he belongs in the minors

Krawhitham
05-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Why does Mesoraco always get stuck catching Leake?

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Leake needs guys to swing early in the count, not on 3-0 counts. He'll get killed if he's behind batters.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:24 PM
He should plunk Harper.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:25 PM
Or just K him. :p

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:25 PM
Why does Mesoraco always get stuck catching Leake?

Arroyo and Cueto both want Hanigan, Latos tried Mes early in the year and it never worked. So Mes is stuck with Bailey and Leake, or they're stuck with him...which one it is I have no idea.

NeilHamburger
05-11-2012, 07:25 PM
This is for the best. Only way change happens with Dusy and Walt is if the home team is booed and publicly embarrassed.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:25 PM
Have there been any updates on Bray or Masset?

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:26 PM
This is for the best. Only way change happens with Dusy and Walt is if the home team is booed and publicly embarrassed.

just sucks on game 1

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:26 PM
Wow, Harper looked overmatched.

Mes will be down in AAA again if he doesn't watch it. I was a big proponent of him staying up, but he really needs to work on his game calling ability. He is not major league worthy. If the Reds were rebuilding, I would be ok. But not now.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:27 PM
Amazing things happen when Leake gets swings early in the count. He can get a lot of people out if they're swinging at his strikes, not get me over fastballs.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:27 PM
if mike leake goes 6 ip gives up 3. yea i guess its a good start but imo its not b/c you gave them all up in the 1st which hurts

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:28 PM
Wow, Harper looked overmatched.

Mes will be down in AAA again if he doesn't watch it. I was a big proponent of him staying up, but he really needs to work on his game calling ability. He is not major league worthy. If the Reds were rebuilding, I would be ok. But not now.

Between Hanigan and Baker I would think he'd have everything he needs up here to get better at handling our staff. He isn't gonna go to AAA because he needs to be up here to learn how to work with this staff.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:29 PM
Wow, Leake hit 92mph.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:30 PM
guys come on. when leake throws ball 1 ball 2 to every hitter that is not mes fault. thats leake. once leake goes 2-0 he has to throw strike and he's hitable.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:30 PM
Arroyo and Cueto both want Hanigan, Latos tried Mes early in the year and it never worked. So Mes is stuck with Bailey and Leake, or they're stuck with him...which one it is I have no idea.

Arroyo,Cueto and Latos should catch whoever the Reds put out there. I would give Arroyo Mes Sunday and tell him to deal with it.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:31 PM
Well that inning could have been a lot worse. I just hope we can get something going against Gio Gonzalez tonight.

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 07:31 PM
if mike leake goes 6 ip gives up 3. yea i guess its a good start but imo its not b/c you gave them all up in the 1st which hurts I wouldn't bet on Leake getting a quality start out of this game. If Bernadina's taking you deep then.....Nah...:eek:

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:31 PM
if mike leake goes 6 ip gives up 3. yea i guess its a good start but imo its not b/c you gave them all up in the 1st which hurts
It demoralizes a team especially when they know they are struggling to score runs.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:31 PM
Arroyo,Cueto and Latos should catch whoever the Reds put out there. I would give Arroyo Mes Sunday and tell him to deal with it.

Why in the world would you want to mess with a combination that is working really well?

Joesh
05-11-2012, 07:31 PM
Leake is awful

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:32 PM
Why in the world would you want to mess with a combination that is working really well?

You mean the combination of Leake/Bailey and Mes is working well(or well enough in Bailey's case as he does have multiple QS's)? What would Arroyo be afraid of with Mes? Tell me that.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:37 PM
You mean the combination of Leake/Bailey and Mes is working well(or well enough in Bailey's case as he does have multiple QS's)? What would Arroyo be afraid of with Mes? Tell me that.

It has nothing to do with being afraid of Mes. A lot of pitchers have preferred catchers that they're comfortable with, guys who are on the same page with what they're trying to do. Arroyo+Hanigan is working, there's no reason at all to mess with that.

We tried Latos with Mesoraco and it was really bad, not putting it all on Mes here, but we would not have made the switch to Hanigan unless the two guys weren't comfortable working together. And Latos has been better since.

Cueto can pick whoever he wants imo. So to get Mes time, he gets Leake and Bailey by default.

jhiller21
05-11-2012, 07:37 PM
Just turned the game on to hear George Grande, it's like an old friend that I used to hate is back, and now I like them for some reason.

NeilHamburger
05-11-2012, 07:38 PM
Lol, I have no desire to listen to Grande sugarcoat the reds getting hammered tonight. I guess I'll find someting else to do tonight.

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 07:38 PM
slick assist by Espinosa.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:38 PM
I just want to hear him call a Reds homerun.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:38 PM
Bigtime defense in the first by the Nats.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:40 PM
Gio got lucky in the first. Real lucky.

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:40 PM
This is for the best. Only way change happens with Dusy and Walt is if the home team is booed and publicly embarrassed.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ace3Sfw6KS0/T4X2RiHd8CI/AAAAAAAAAXs/3hAEySdfZq0/s1600/debbie+downer.jpg

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:40 PM
Reds down in the first with just a walk to Votto. When was the last time we jumped out in front by 3 runs in the first?

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Reds down in the first with just a walk to Votto. When was the last time we jumped out in front by 3 runs in the first?

I want to say we jumped all over one of the Marlins pitchers.

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 07:41 PM
Getting sick of seeing Leake and Bailey sucking over and over again. Time for them to step up or get removed by Chapman and somebody else.

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:42 PM
Chapman is not going to be a starter this year barring a big injury, you guys need to get that through your heads now. Even if he did become a starter then you guys would be *****ing about how bad our bullpen is. Think!

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:42 PM
Getting sick of seeing Leake and Bailey sucking over and over again. Time for them to step up or get removed by Chapman and somebody else.

Bailey has 4 QS this season while dealing with Mes for 3 of them and his usual early season struggles with his offspeed stuff.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:43 PM
Chapman is not going to be a starter this year barring a big injury, you guys need to get that through your heads now. Even if he did become a starter then you guys would be *****ing about how bad our bullpen is. Think!

of course the bullpen will take step back but the goal is to not let the lower end pitch. leake always does

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:44 PM
Getting sick of seeing Leake and Bailey sucking over and over again. Time for them to step up or get removed by Chapman and somebody else.

I agree they haven't done very well, but if our offense could take some pressure off of them by scoring some runs maybe they could relax a little.
It seems we have to come from behind every game and then don't score until late in the games.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:44 PM
Bailey has 4 QS this season while dealing with Mes for 3 of them and his usual early season struggles with his offspeed stuff.

bailey needs improve but he has gotten better this year

brm7675
05-11-2012, 07:44 PM
I think it may be time for Mr. Leake to visit Mr. Power in Louisville for a couple of weeks and figure out what is wrong. Call up Jeff Francis, let him by your 5 guy and get the Leake fixed so to speak...

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:45 PM
4-0

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:45 PM
Tough break for Mike there.

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:45 PM
That was a decent pitch. Better hitting.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 07:45 PM
How is Jeff Francis doing?

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:46 PM
F. P. SANTANGELO has to be the most annoying color analyst in baseball. I'm glad you guys don't have to deal with him. He does all the Nats games.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:47 PM
I don't know how the rotation will work out, but the thought of Leake facing the Yankees lineup is pretty scary haha.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:48 PM
How is Jeff Francis doing?

Not too bad, but he has given up more than 1 hit per inning. No one on the Louisville staff are doing very well. They are dead last in their division, and surprisingly are having trouble hitting.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:48 PM
0-2 to 3-2

It happens wayyyy too much.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 07:48 PM
How is Jeff Francis doing?

I looked -- terrible is the answer -- in fact Tomko is the best down there & even he is not looking good

ugh

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:48 PM
I don't know how the rotation will work out, but the thought of Leake facing the Yankees lineup is pretty scary haha.

he should miss them

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:49 PM
Nats announcers were 100% positive Leake had to throw a fastball there. When Zimmerman missed the announcer said he couldn't catch up to it. LOL, that was an off speed pitch bro.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:49 PM
Leake seriously squeezed or Mes sucks with the glove.........

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:49 PM
I looked -- terrible is the answer -- in fact Tomko is the best down there & even he is not looking good

ugh

The only pitcher doing reasonably well is Carlos Fisher, but he has been strickly out of the bullpen.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 07:50 PM
Not too bad, but he has given up more than 1 hit per inning. No one on the Louisville staff are doing very well. They are dead last in their division, and surprisingly are having trouble hitting.

Yeah -- maybe you are right -- 43 IP 47 Hits but only 9 BB & 43 K's --

Looking great after Leake tonight!

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 07:51 PM
Despite what some of the more vocal posters say on here- I think Chapman is the obvious answer. Unless they know something they haven't made public, he is the guy.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:51 PM
bruce is good

brm7675
05-11-2012, 07:53 PM
Despite what some of the more vocal posters say on here- I think Chapman is the obvious answer. Unless they know something they haven't made public, he is the guy.

Zero chance of Chapman moving into the rotation at this point if at all this season, the way to go is call up either Francis or Tomko, put Leake in AAA to get things fixed and hope at this point.

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 07:54 PM
Rolen completely owned....horrible AB.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:54 PM
Zero chance of Chapman moving into the rotation at this point if at all this season, the way to go is call up either Francis or Tomko, put Leake in AAA to get things fixed and hope at this point.

id take my chances with chapman (not saying they would. just me)

brm7675
05-11-2012, 07:55 PM
id take my chances with chapman (not saying they would. just me)

Chapman if he had been developed right would be the logical choice, but right now he is not ready to move to the starting rotation.

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:55 PM
Rolen's career is obviously over. He has looked completely lost @ the plate the entire season. Just waiting for the injury that will put him out of his misery.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 07:55 PM
Zero chance of Chapman moving into the rotation at this point if at all this season, the way to go is call up either Francis or Tomko, put Leake in AAA to get things fixed and hope at this point.

The only arguement I have heard not to start Chapman is that the bullpen needs him. That is like keeping Votto on the bench to pinch hit when you need him.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:55 PM
Rolen completely owned....horrible AB.

Can we bash Dusty yet for starting Rolen?

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Chapman if he had been developed right would be the logical choice, but right now he is not ready to move to the starting rotation.

agree but id take 5 ip no runs over 7 ip 18 runs

New York Red
05-11-2012, 07:56 PM
I'm becoming more and more convinced that with Rolen, it's not a slump anymore. This is as good as he can be at his age.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Rolen's career is obviously over. He has looked completely lost @ the plate the entire season. Just waiting for the injury that will put him out of his misery.

Yup --- he might be the last to know though

brm7675
05-11-2012, 07:57 PM
The only arguement I have heard not to start Chapman is that the bullpen needs him. That is like keeping Votto on the bench to pinch hit when you need him.

Part of the reason is the bullpen needs him, but the main reason is he is not physically ready to be a starting pitcher.

Stray
05-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Have they said what Chapman's innings cap would be this year? I thought we were holding off on the move till mid summer so we could have him when we'd hopefully need him.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Rolen an Ludwick= the black hole

The Rage
05-11-2012, 07:58 PM
Ludwick and Rolen are the Arbus Twins

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 07:59 PM
Part of the reason is the bullpen needs him, but the main reason is he is not physically ready to be a starting pitcher.

They stretched him out in the spring, so maybe 2 or 3 weeks to get him ready?

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 07:59 PM
The only arguement I have heard not to start Chapman is that the bullpen needs him. That is like keeping Votto on the bench to pinch hit when you need him.

That comparison made absolutely no sense. You especially don't take the guy out of the role he is right now the way he's throwing the ball. He's very comfortable. Adding him to the rotation is a panic move, something forums of all teams are famous for. Hell if fans had it their way they'd trade half the roster before the season was over.

brm7675
05-11-2012, 08:00 PM
They stretched him out in the spring, so maybe 2 or 3 weeks to get him ready?

Stretch him out how on the major league level?

Stray
05-11-2012, 08:00 PM
This team strikes out a ton.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 08:00 PM
That comparison made absolutely no sense. You especially don't take the guy out of the role he is right now the way he's throwing the ball. He's very comfortable. Adding him to the rotation is a panic move, something forums of all teams are famous for. Hell if fans had it their way they'd trade half the roster before the season was over.

he has said he wants to starts. so its not like he's against it. he said he prefer to start.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:01 PM
If Mes can't hit, he has no purpose on this team.

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 08:02 PM
Scott Rolen is completely done...seriously, his collision with Choi ruined his career. He's still a terrific defender at 3rd but at the plate, with his shoulder, he has to guess and hope that it's off speed because he can't catch up to any heat. Time to move on from Rolen.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:02 PM
The second inning is a perfect example of this team's biggest problem.....lack of hitting!!
A leadoff double and then 3 straight K's.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:03 PM
That comparison made absolutely no sense.

to you.

I think you mistake me for someone that sees you as an authority on the subject. Most of us here are fine with exchanging opinions as fans. It seems that you are not.

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 08:03 PM
Stretch him out how on the major league level?

Exactly. You can't send him down that's ridiculous. Chapman barring some crazy events will be in the bullpen this whole season. With the way the back end of the rotation is performing I'm 100% confident Aroldis will be inserted into the rotation next season. Hell for all the people that say Dusty is a killer of arms we should be happy they aren't marching him out there at 24 breaking his arm off.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:04 PM
to you.

I think you mistake me for someone that sees you as an authority on the subject. Most of us here are fine with exchanging opinions as fans. It seems that you are not.
:beerme:

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:04 PM
Stretch him out how on the major league level?

I think he could pitch on a "relief rotation." Every 5-6 days let him pitch the rest of the innings.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 08:06 PM
hes good

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Was that a guy in a Votto shirt hi-fiving another Reds fan because he caught the ball?

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:06 PM
holy Leake. This ump hates the low strikezone obviously. This game is likely over.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:06 PM
This is getting ugly.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:06 PM
OK, time to go to the bullpen. Or do we just chalk this one up as a loss and let Leake get pounded a few more innings?

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:07 PM
Even with Leake and Bailey in the rotation, our pitching is still better than average. Our hitting is near the bottom in nearly every category.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:07 PM
OK, time to go to the bullpen. Or do we just chalk this one up as a loss and let Leake get pounded a few more innings?

Chalk it up.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:08 PM
Don't burn the bullpen...use Valdez

DocRed
05-11-2012, 08:08 PM
LOL, good to see the REAL Mike Leake tonight. Get used to it...

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 08:08 PM
Dumbass Nats color guy thinks the fans are booing Phillips there. What a moron!

Stray
05-11-2012, 08:09 PM
OK, time to go to the bullpen. Or do we just chalk this one up as a loss and let Leake get pounded a few more innings?

Today is the start of a 20 games in 20 days stretch and it's already 6-0. I'd leave him out there.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:10 PM
Chalk it up.

ditto

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:10 PM
Today is the start of a 20 games in 20 days stretch and it's already 6-0. I'd leave him out there.

Yeah, I would leave him out there for 5 at least. This one is done. Don't even bother using the pen. If he gives up 12 earnies, so what.

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 08:10 PM
Chapman should close plain and simple. Marshall and Ondrusek would be in their familiar roles. Adam Wainwright spent his rookie season as the Cardinal's closer; they win the world series and the next 4 seasons Wainwright's in the running for Cy Young.

DocRed
05-11-2012, 08:10 PM
OK, time to go to the bullpen. Or do we just chalk this one up as a loss and let Leake get pounded a few more innings?

Hell NO! Leake needs to finish 6 innings, I don't care if he throws his elbow out.

PumpFak3First
05-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Mike Leake doesn't even know it's a strikeout LOL

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:11 PM
It looked like none of our guys knew how many outs there were.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Move over Sam, looks like Simon is the new mop up man.

DocRed
05-11-2012, 08:14 PM
Duhhhsty warming up Simon? Really?!?! Duhhh

Stray
05-11-2012, 08:15 PM
5 straight Ks lol

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:16 PM
It looked like none of our guys knew how many outs there were.

Not into the game?

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:17 PM
This game is over.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:17 PM
Wow, six in a row.

Stray
05-11-2012, 08:17 PM
Oh man haha

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:17 PM
I remember hearing that the Reds hit much better vs. LHP than RHP. What is going on with Gio then?

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:18 PM
Also, the Reds only 2 baserunners are lefties.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:18 PM
This team is mentally out of it.

I suspect Dusty will name Hanigan the permanent starter tomorrow.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:19 PM
I remember hearing that the Reds hit much better vs. LHP than RHP. What is going on with Gio then?

They may have a better average against LH, but just aren't very good overall.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 08:20 PM
This team is mentally out of it.

I suspect Dusty will name Hanigan the permanent starter tomorrow.

nope

Mutaman
05-11-2012, 08:22 PM
I remember hearing that the Reds hit much better vs. LHP than RHP. What is going on with Gio then?

Obviously he's really good.

NeilHamburger
05-11-2012, 08:22 PM
Damn, I was hoping for a little more embarrassment and pure stank out of leake. I'm not sure if it was quite enough to get leake sent out. Now, we may get stuck with another Leake start. I was hoping for 9 runs for the Nats and Leake and Dusty to be booed out of the stadium in the 3rd.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:23 PM
Obviously he's really good.

Gisbon reincarnate.

Stray
05-11-2012, 08:24 PM
He only missed his target by 7 feet there.

Mutaman
05-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Why are the Reds paying a right handed hitter like Ludwick 2 million when they could have had a left handed hitter like Ankiel for 1.2 million?

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:25 PM
This team is mentally out of it.

I suspect Dusty will name Hanigan the permanent starter tomorrow.

This team needs a major shake up, whether it be manager, coaches, players.
Not into the game mentally, lackluster play at times, poor hitting in general,
#4 & 5 starters struggling.........yeah it's only 30 games, but except for a couple of players, little or no improvement has been seen.

R_Webb18
05-11-2012, 08:25 PM
this is ugly

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Adam LaRedsKiller

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Why did Dusty take Leake out?

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:27 PM
Why did Dusty take Leake out?
Question of the night.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:27 PM
Why did Dusty take Leake out?

Maybe to appease the booing crowd.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:28 PM
just a guess. I have no idea.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:33 PM
Votto starts the rally.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:36 PM
Votto running down by 6. You don't see that everyday. It pays off.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 08:37 PM
7-1 on Bruce sac fly.

DocRed
05-11-2012, 08:38 PM
Duhhsty is a clown fool...:confused:

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:41 PM
Scotty lol.........made to be a fool.

40YrRedsFan
05-11-2012, 08:41 PM
Rolen with another K

Stray
05-11-2012, 08:44 PM
That was nowhere near the strike zone.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 08:45 PM
Mes is overmatched at this level right now. Couple that he can't catch worth a lick, I would bring up another catcher and send him down.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Alley Oop by Votto. :beerme:

DocRed
05-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Its always good be dominated the the Washington Nationals.

joshua
05-11-2012, 08:52 PM
Nats absolutely own us so far this year. I miss the days when their roster a collage of former and washed up Reds players.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:00 PM
This game is a long way from being over, fellas.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:01 PM
We can make this a game with an inning here, esp since we will be in their bullpen soon.

malcontent
05-11-2012, 09:01 PM
Mes is overmatched at this level right now. Couple that he can't catch worth a lick, I would bring up another catcher and send him down.
How about Grandal? He's never struggled at any level.

Also be great to have another guy who could hit LH.

:bang:

DocRed
05-11-2012, 09:02 PM
This game is a long way from being over, fellas.

Good luck with that...

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:02 PM
He had a pitch to hit there, just missed it.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:05 PM
Juiced for Bruce. Could really use one here.

The Rage
05-11-2012, 09:07 PM
Terrible AB by Bruce.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 09:07 PM
not to worry -- Rolen will lead!

Spider Tre
05-11-2012, 09:08 PM
we're so clutch

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:08 PM
Rolen swings at a pitch over his head. Wow.

osuredleg24
05-11-2012, 09:09 PM
lol, this team is a joke with runners in scoring position

The Rage
05-11-2012, 09:09 PM
Terrible AB by Bruce.

Atrocious. Gio had major control problems tonight and this offense can only sneak over 2 runs. Mercy.

Krawhitham
05-11-2012, 09:09 PM
Youk is on the block, think he can do better than rolen or is he done too

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 09:09 PM
Rolen swings at a pitch over his head. Wow.

He hit the ball -- I see improvement!

:eek:

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 09:10 PM
Youk is on the block, think he can do better than rolen or is he done too Yes.. Youk > Rolen...

osuredleg24
05-11-2012, 09:10 PM
26th in batting avg with runners in scoring position

Krawhitham
05-11-2012, 09:11 PM
Team is hitting .212 with runners in scoring position

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:12 PM
We're into their bullpen. I think we'll have more chances.


....I hope.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:13 PM
You know JJ Hoover has been really impressive this year. He's a nice arm in our pen.

malcontent
05-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Batting Patterson and Taveras lead-off was managerial sabotage, pure and simple.

Rolen at 6 when they have Frazier on board is nothing less.

Krawhitham
05-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Yes.. Youk > Rolen...

.219 2hr 9rbi
VS
.180 2hr 11rbi

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 09:13 PM
just like last year, this team has no clutch hitting and no help in sight

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 09:14 PM
.219 2hr 9rbi
VS
.180 2hr 11rbi

Rolen at .176 now

:)

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:16 PM
Big pitch, can't put a guy at 2nd here.

Got him.

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 09:19 PM
Rolen at .176 now

:)Why is Rolen even considered more than just a BENCH player? The Reds have nothing as an option in the system at 3rd? I defer to more knowledgable Red fans. It just seems to me even at Great America, Rolen is just worthless at the dish. What does he have on Jock or Dusty that he continually gets starts?

The Rage
05-11-2012, 09:21 PM
Jocketty must have Rolen and Ludwick on Reds payroll to help the Cards.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:27 PM
.219 2hr 9rbi
VS
.180 2hr 11rbi
Exactly. And Rolen is far better defensively. Youk isn't the answer.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:37 PM
we really got that swinging and missing thing down

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 09:46 PM
On the corners. Rallytime.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:49 PM
Bryce Harper is spewing blood in RF. WTF?

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:49 PM
Harper's bleeding. :confused:

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:50 PM
Rally killer. Big ouch.

George Foster
05-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Bone
Head
Play

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Terrible.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:52 PM
Brandon should have forced the rundown, so at least the other two runners could advance.

George Foster
05-11-2012, 09:52 PM
I love Scotty, but man....can he bat 10th?

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:52 PM
That's just bad base running. If you start home you better keep going.

So I had been watching the basketball game, what's up with Harper's head? Did he headfirst slide somewhere?

George Foster
05-11-2012, 09:53 PM
That's just bad base running. If you start home you better keep going.

So I had been watching the basketball game, what's up with Harper's head? Did he headfirst slide somewhere?

Honesty I think he just picked a scab open on his temple...a zit maybe.

CWRed
05-11-2012, 09:54 PM
BP should have been running on contact. 1st and 3rd and no out Zimmerman was NEVER going to throw home because he could try for a double play. Why Brandon were you looking at Zimmerman? Bone head play. Boooo!!!!!!!! :thumbdown:

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:54 PM
So I had been watching the basketball game, what's up with Harper's head? Did he headfirst slide somewhere?
No one knows. He hasn't been on base and hasn't been involved in anything physical on defense either. Weird stuff. Maybe Cole Hamels is in the bleachers and beaned him.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 09:55 PM
Heisey on deck.

CWRed
05-11-2012, 09:55 PM
Just wondering...anyone know the Reds record when Mes starts? I thought I read they had won 4 or 5 games? But he has caught Leake a lot I think lol.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 09:55 PM
Nice time for a bloop and a blast.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 09:56 PM
Chapman warming- I don't get it.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:56 PM
One big swing of the bat from a 1 run game, I hope that BP miscue doesn't come back to haunt us.

George Foster
05-11-2012, 09:56 PM
BP should have been running on contact. 1st and 3rd and no out Zimmerman was NEVER going to throw home because he could try for a double play. Why Brandon were you looking at Zimmerman? Bone head play. Boooo!!!!!!!! :thumbdown:

Especially with a 5 run lead...he was not coming home.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:57 PM
Isn't bringing the tying run to the plate. Fastball

George Foster
05-11-2012, 09:57 PM
Chapman warming- I don't get it.

needs the work...did not pitch wed. I believe and thursday was an off day.

George Foster
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
Just wondering...anyone know the Reds record when Mes starts? I thought I read they had won 4 or 5 games? But he has caught Leake a lot I think lol.

I don't think he manages the game well. Hanagan should start a LOT more.

DocRed
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
needs the work...did not pitch wed. I believe and thursday was an off day.

Duhhhhhsty!

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
I think Dusty has handled our bullpen really well this year, like he has guys almost on a rotation out there. I do question his use tonight unless Leake didn't feel right.

We may come back to win and I hope we do, but I'm leaving him out there for 5 innings and living with the results.

Stray
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
Heisey hits a lot of pinch hit homeruns....

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 09:59 PM
Ready for a tie ballgame.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 10:00 PM
OMG Heisey, are you serious? Stupid!

DocRed
05-11-2012, 10:00 PM
I think Dusty has handled our bullpen really well this year, like he has guys almost on a rotation out there. I do question his use tonight unless Leake didn't feel right.

We may come back to win and I hope we do, but I'm leaving him out there for 5 innings and living with the results.

LOL

George Foster
05-11-2012, 10:00 PM
Quality
at
bat....:confused::confused:

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:00 PM
LOL

?

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Heisey...pitiful

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 10:01 PM
One big swing of the bat from a 1 run game, I hope that BP miscue doesn't come back to haunt us.

dont worry, it will

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:01 PM
Cozart is an extra basehit machine, one right now would be nice.

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Getting a fastball, hit it

George Foster
05-11-2012, 10:03 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:03 PM
Ballsy pitch, got him to swing at ball 4. So typical.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 10:03 PM
Is there a worse hitting team in the league with RISP than us?

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 10:03 PM
:thumbdown:

Falcon7
05-11-2012, 10:03 PM
Swings at BALL F'N 4!

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Wiff.... Reds not ready to contend...

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Is there a worse hitting team in the league with RISP than us?

I'm guessing there are very few.

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 10:04 PM
idk how anyone could have really expected the Reds to come back in this game. We have a AAA offense people, time to accept it and hope we finish over .500

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 10:05 PM
Wiff.... Reds not ready to contend...

2010 was one of the biggest flukes in the history of baseball

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:05 PM
We're probably gonna lose this game, but we had our chances. Kinda crazy the way it started out.

osuredleg24
05-11-2012, 10:06 PM
team is in major need of a bat......or 4

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 10:06 PM
We're probably gonna lose this game, but we had our chances. Kinda crazy the way it started out.

probably gonna lose? we are gonna lose!

osuredleg24
05-11-2012, 10:06 PM
Is there a worse hitting team in the league with RISP than us?

4 teams worse

DocRed
05-11-2012, 10:09 PM
Duhhsty Baker needs to send a check to the Steroid Era...

CU2morrownite
05-11-2012, 10:10 PM
2010 was one of the biggest flukes in the history of baseballEXACTLY... last time the team fiished with a winning record.. Uh...Walt ...Dusty parlaying jobs with reputations only...Time to start kicking "lunch Buckets" soon... down the road...

New York Red
05-11-2012, 10:11 PM
I assumed this was a loss when I saw the pitching match-up, but it's frustrating to have so many chances, especially after getting Gonzalez out of the game early.

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:11 PM
probably gonna lose? we are gonna lose!

Crazier things have happened, but seriously we are a couple of timely basehits away from a tied up ball game.

But we suck w/RISP so yeah.

Red Raindog
05-11-2012, 10:12 PM
Rolen now .174

It's like watching a friend die a slow death

:(

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 10:15 PM
Rolen now .174

It's like watching a friend die a slow death

:(

I feel like I am at a funeral.

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:17 PM
It is a little sad to see Rolen hit. He can't catch up with fastballs anymore unless he cheats on it.

Kinda looks like Jeter looked at the start of last year. Maybe he'll find that same fountain of youth.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 10:17 PM
Rolen now .174

It's like watching a friend die a slow death

:(
That's how I feel about it too. You couldn't ask for a better teammate or a more professional player, but he just doesn't have it anymore. He's still reliable defensively, though his range isn't what it once was, but he is done as a consistent threat with the bat.

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:17 PM
It is a little sad to see Rolen hit. He can't catch up with fastballs anymore unless he cheats on it.

Kinda looks like Jeter looked at the start of last year. Maybe he'll find that same fountain of youth.

LeDoux
05-11-2012, 10:18 PM
Ponce de Rolen. I like it.

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:18 PM
That hurts.

Maker_84
05-11-2012, 10:21 PM
It is a little sad to see Rolen hit. He can't catch up with fastballs anymore unless he cheats on it.

Kinda looks like Jeter looked at the start of last year. Maybe he'll find that same fountain of youth.

hes a waste of space

New York Red
05-11-2012, 10:21 PM
I know some of you would rather blame the Reds, but this is an impressive Nats team. They have some serious pitching and defense. Them leading the best division in baseball isn't a fluke.

Who Dey Time
05-11-2012, 10:22 PM
hes a waste of space

Much like 98% of your posts.

New York Red
05-11-2012, 10:23 PM
Wow, now they're saying Harper might need stitches and that the wound is likely self-inflicted. :laugh:

Stray
05-11-2012, 10:23 PM
hes a waste of space

I wouldn't say that. I don't think we have two 3rd baseman better than him. He's still a great defender.

Frazier is going to start taking more of his time as the season goes on, or more likely is Rolen will go to the DL for what we call a sore shoulder to try and freshen him back up.

Also, that was a great defensive game by the Nats. With that pitching and D you can see why their record is what it is. They're good.