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DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 03:51 PM
With last night's magic, why not try this again?

Cozart SS
Stubbs CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 1B
Bruce RF
Heisey LF
Frazier 3B
Mesoraco C
Bailey P

vs. Delgado
Delgado has produced his two best starts of the year since ending April with two bad outings. Still attempting to gain confidence in his curveball, he relies heavily on a changeup that occasionally acts like a splitter.

Seem to be catching Delgado at a bad time, but for the year he is a very beatable 2-3, 4.54 ERA

HI-C gets another start, and Cozart returns to the lineup. Very excited to see this one tonight.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 05:55 PM
Glad to see Cozart back in the lineup. It was brutal watching Valdez attempt to play defense yesterday.

Ironman92
05-14-2012, 05:56 PM
Heisey's throw to home to nail Espinosa was at a pretty crucial part of the game. Picked up Arroyo so to speak. Walk was huge after being down 0-2.

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 06:00 PM
Finally!

This is the lineup I've waited for all season (Hanigan and Mesoraco could be flip-flopped, as I wouldn't care about either at this point). But, Heisey in LF and Frazier at 3B without Harris, Cairo, Rolen, Valdez or Ludwick anywhere in the lineup.

If only I could see this lineup 60 more times this year, or 100 more times this year with either Hanigan or Mesoraco as Catcher, we'd score at least one more run per game than we've been scoring.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 06:05 PM
Finally!

This is the lineup I've waited for all season (Hanigan and Mesoraco could be flip-flopped, as I wouldn't care about either at this point). But, Heisey in LF and Frazier at 3B without Harris, Cairo, Rolen, Valdez or Ludwick anywhere in the lineup.

If only I could see this lineup 60 more times this year, or 100 more times this year with either Hanigan or Mesoraco as Catcher, we'd score at least one more run per game than we've been scoring.
Other than the catcher's spot, this is probably our best potential lineup offensively, but at this point we are a much better team when Hanigan is behind the plate. I'm most concerned about Bailey tonight, because he got hit pretty hard his last time out. We need him to take over the #3 spot in the rotation, and the sooner the better.

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 06:06 PM
Ryan Dempster, pitching better than anyone in the National League, is going against the Cardinals tonight. Hopefully Dempster gets more than the 2.04 runs per game he's been getting this season from the Cubs, who happen to have had their two highest Offensive Productions arrive over their last three games.

Can get within 1-1/2 tonight!

Let's Go REDS!

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 06:06 PM
Other than the catcher's spot, this is probably our best potential lineup offensively, but at this point we are a much better team when Hanigan is behind the plate. I'm most concerned about Bailey tonight, because he got hit pretty hard his last time out. We need him to take over the #3 spot in the rotation, and the sooner the better.Agree, wholeheartedly.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 06:13 PM
Ryan Dempster, pitching better than anyone in the National League, is going against the Cardinals tonight. Hopefully Dempster gets more than the 2.04 runs per game he's been getting this season from the Cubs, who happen to have had their two highest Offensive Productions arrive over their last three games.

Can get within 1-1/2 tonight!

Let's Go REDS!
Dempster with a 1.03 ERA and zero wins. Crazy.

1869's Original
05-14-2012, 06:43 PM
I'm really interested to see if Homer will be able to mix his pitches effectively tonight - it'd sure be nice to see him gain some confidence by going six or seven innings without giving up too many runs..

TheBigLebowski
05-14-2012, 06:56 PM
Homer's going to get shelled tonight.

brm7675
05-14-2012, 07:08 PM
Given the history of the Reds facing first time "rookie" pitchers I am not to confident about tonight. I would be shocked to see more then 3-4 total hits and a run scored. I see tonight's game as troublesome in so many ways...

brm7675
05-14-2012, 07:12 PM
Oh and word out of St. Louis is Beltran not starting as knee is causing some pain and not just minor...

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:15 PM
At least Cozart makes the pitcher throw a few pitches. That alone makes him a better leadoff candidate than Stubbs.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:15 PM
Oh and word out of St. Louis is Beltran not starting as knee is causing some pain and not just minor...
Hmmm ... interesting.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:17 PM
After yesterday's Votto explosion, I suspect the Reds will be handled today. Pretty bleak for a win unless Bailey is over his early season dido's.

Bailey and Latos will be known as Cheech and Chong by June 1st.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:17 PM
Great at bat, BP. Ugh.

Stray
05-14-2012, 07:17 PM
Why swing at that pitch???? I mean I get it if you're down 2 strikes or something, but seriously.

1869's Original
05-14-2012, 07:21 PM
what do y'all think about potentially signing Michael Bourn as a free agent this winter?

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:21 PM
That would have been gone at GAB.

1869's Original
05-14-2012, 07:23 PM
1-2-3 first for Homer

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:25 PM
1-2-3 first for Homer

They clobbered him. It didn't show up in the statline and they play in a big park. Not one breaking pitch.......not good.

1869's Original
05-14-2012, 07:26 PM
They clobbered him. It didn't show up in the statline and they play in a big park. Not one breaking pitch.......not good.

an out is an out in my book and I'm glad to see we still have a shot after the first

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:27 PM
Why swing at that pitch???? I mean I get it if you're down 2 strikes or something, but seriously.

Baker loves when you swing at the first pitch. He is probably as proud as punch. Why swing at that pitch? Because the manager loves that kind of crap.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:28 PM
Nice first for Homer. Bruce continues to rip.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:28 PM
Nice ab by Bruce, take notes 'dat dude'.

malcontent
05-14-2012, 07:28 PM
They clobbered him. It didn't show up in the statline and they play in a big park. Not one breaking pitch.......not good.
That's been the MO for Bailey's starts it seems.

Begin the game with 30-40 consecutive fastballs.

Baker's gotta be the perp. I mean, who else would do that?

1869's Original
05-14-2012, 07:29 PM
Bruce must've worked very hard to improve his plate discipline this winter - he looks much more comfortable with two strikes on 'em

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:29 PM
Bruce moves along to third with the out.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Strike outs are the same as any other out. And, no, this team does not strike out a lot. Or so some would have you believe.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Horrible call on Frazier, wow.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Geez, the 3B and LF spots continue to kill us. Automatic outs.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:33 PM
Another K.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:34 PM
Horrible ab by Mes. I will cut Frazier a little slack as that 3rd strike call was bad. But Mes, if you can't hit, you can't catch.........what can you do?

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:34 PM
Horrible ab by Mes. I will cut Frazier a little slack as that 3rd strike call was bad. But Mes, if you can't hit, you can't catch.........what can you do?

Pinch run.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:34 PM
Strike outs are the same as any other out. And, no, this team does not strike out a lot. Or so some would have you believe.
Come on, Dave. No one was saying the Reds don't K a lot. Just saying the entire league K's a lot. The Reds problem is hitting with RISP, whether it's a K or any other non-productive out. I have zero confidence right now in any right-handed hitter on this team.

malcontent
05-14-2012, 07:36 PM
Pinch run.
Hah!

Stray
05-14-2012, 07:36 PM
The approach is mind boggling. Sure Frazier got called out on a ball, but with 2 strikes you cannot take the pitch. Just that simple, especially when you just need a ground ball to score a run.

It's like most of them are clueless at the plate.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:37 PM
The approach is mind boggling. Sure Frazier got called out on a ball, but with 2 strikes you cannot take the pitch. Just that simple, especially when you just need a ground ball to score a run.

It's like most of them are clueless at the plate.

Votto will change his approach at the plate. The rest of them have one approach only. Or so it seems. Put the bat on the ball, the Braves were conceding the run.

malcontent
05-14-2012, 07:37 PM
The approach is mind boggling. Sure Frazier got called out on a ball, but with 2 strikes you cannot take the pitch. Just that simple, especially when you just need a ground ball to score a run.

It's like most of them are clueless at the plate.
He's probably been watching Stubbs too long.

Seriously, couldn't agree more.

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 07:37 PM
This team is a trainwreck at the plate. Only one guy with a professional approach at the plate on the whole team. Maybe two. Hanigan has a good approach, but just doesn't have the talent.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:37 PM
The approach is mind boggling. Sure Frazier got called out on a ball, but with 2 strikes you cannot take the pitch. Just that simple, especially when you just need a ground ball to score a run.

It's like most of them are clueless at the plate.
What exactly does Brook Jacoby get paid for? :confused:

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:38 PM
I forgot Hanigan. He seems to have a clue.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:39 PM
What exactly does Brook Jacoby get paid for? :confused:

The same thing Bryon Price gets paid for: To watch players underachieve.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:40 PM
This team is a trainwreck at the plate. Only one guy with a professional approach at the plate on the whole team. Maybe two. Hanigan has a good approach, but just doesn't have the talent.
Gotta give Bruce some props too. He's more and more becoming a patient and consistent threat at the plate. He still doesn't walk a lot, but you can't say anything negative about the season he's having so far. It's all-star caliber, IMO.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:40 PM
LoL, that ump misses strike 3. This guy is already pissing me off.....or Mes isn't framing good.......

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:42 PM
Homer is throwing hard tonight.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:43 PM
Runners on the corner.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:46 PM
Joey Votto saved Frazier's bacon on that one.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:46 PM
Votto bails out Frazier to save a run.

Who Dey Time
05-14-2012, 07:46 PM
Good job by Homer. Great dig by Votto.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 07:47 PM
Joey Votto saved Frazier's bacon on that one.

Yup, no arguement from me there, he can't hold Scottie's jock when it comes to fielding though he has lost a step.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:53 PM
I guess it's time for me to threaten to jump off the Drew Stubbs bandwagon again. Every time I'm ready to bail, he's goes on a tear.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:54 PM
This Reds offense will teach a fan to be patient.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 07:56 PM
LOL. Bonehead play by the pitcher.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 07:56 PM
I guess the rook hasn't heard of Jay Bruce.

Maker_84
05-14-2012, 07:57 PM
dont have a good feeling about this game. The braves are too much better of a team than the Reds

malcontent
05-14-2012, 07:59 PM
I guess it's time for me to threaten to jump off the Drew Stubbs bandwagon again. Every time I'm ready to bail, he's goes on a tear.
He still has a better OPS than two other NL CFs.

Bourn isn't one of them.

But given his career arc, you may want to stay off next time you jump.

brm7675
05-14-2012, 08:00 PM
dont have a good feeling about this game. The braves are too much better of a team than the Reds

I would say the talent is about equal for both teams...the difference is in managing and such..

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:01 PM
I would say the talent is about equal for both teams...the difference is in managing and such..

Delgado looks better than Bailey. The Braves offense is better than the Reds offense........nuff said.

malcontent
05-14-2012, 08:03 PM
Replacement level Homer ripping it up tonight.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:04 PM
Joey leading off again, which means he likely won't see any good pitches. He might walk 150 times this year.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:04 PM
It's sad. It is only 705 here and there is such little excitement in this game I am nodding off.

malcontent
05-14-2012, 08:05 PM
Joey leading off again, which means he likely won't see any good pitches. He might walk 150 times this year.
Not to worry.

Baker will have words with him if he sees that happening.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:05 PM
Wow, Joey's bat yesterday is already in the HOF. Sweet.

malcontent
05-14-2012, 08:07 PM
Here comes Big Bob's favorite 72.5 million dollar mistake.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:09 PM
Bruce keeps on trucking.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:10 PM
Time for Heisey to touch them all.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:11 PM
A single will work. Frazier up with two on and two out.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 08:14 PM
wow that was a not top 10

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Reds get another break. 1-0 Reds. Shortstop flipped it to nobody.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Daddy like.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:15 PM
:beerme:

Stray
05-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Take em any way we can get em

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 08:16 PM
When you put it into play, crazy stuff can happen.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:16 PM
When you put it into play, crazy stuff can happen.

That's why swinging at every pitch is crucial.- Dusty Baker

Falcon7
05-14-2012, 08:17 PM
Hey Cowboy, watch the game...

Stray
05-14-2012, 08:17 PM
Mesoraco is a better hitter than he's shown, I wish he'd start playing like it.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:18 PM
That was as an impressive of a broken bat as I've ever seen. Shards of pine will soon be entering Moscow's airspace.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:18 PM
To quote the immortal Ron Burgundy- I'm not even mad.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Mesoraco is a better hitter than he's shown, I wish he'd start playing like it.

Your words to his ears. Seems like every homegrown talent we draft have a rough adjustment period. Never seem to come up and are stars day 1 like other teams.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:19 PM
That was as an impressive of a broken bat as I've ever seen. Shards of pine will soon be entering Moscow's airspace.
No doubt. They might have to bring out a rake to clean that one up.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:20 PM
Come on, Homer, don't give the lead up right away this time.

Gizmo
05-14-2012, 08:21 PM
Is pitch track just screwy today, or is this strikezone that crazy? Looked like ball 1 was right over middle, as well as one earlier on a ball 4.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Long but crooked.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:24 PM
That is the ticket, throw 96mph every pitch.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:25 PM
One-out walk.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:25 PM
Seemed like a little mental fatigue from the previous AB.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:26 PM
Chipper with a single. 1st and 2nd.

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 08:26 PM
What does Homer need to do to get the Unknown Rookie Strike Zone?

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:26 PM
Now would be the time for Homer to show some "mental toughness" and get these last two outs.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:26 PM
He looks gassed already. If he can get his velocity up to 95-98mph next month, he could be good though. Cut down his pitch counts and just blow by people easier.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Infield fly. Nice.

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Gotta give Bruce some props too. He's more and more becoming a patient and consistent threat at the plate. He still doesn't walk a lot, but you can't say anything negative about the season he's having so far. It's all-star caliber, IMO.

I would, but he's fooled me too many times in the past. I need to see it over the course of an entire season.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 08:29 PM
nice job Homer!

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:29 PM
Good job by Homer.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:29 PM
Pleasantly surprised.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 08:29 PM
All in all, Bailey ain't bad for your #5.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:30 PM
Excellent pitching after the Braves got two on. Good job, Homer.

dubc47834
05-14-2012, 08:30 PM
Homer's going to get shelled tonight.

Lol....how's that workin out for ya!!!

Maker_84
05-14-2012, 08:30 PM
how long can he keep this up for though? he's like a ticking time bomb

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 08:31 PM
how long can he keep this up for though? he's like a ticking time bomb

Almost all #5's are.

dubc47834
05-14-2012, 08:31 PM
Bruce keeps on trucking.

This is the most comfortable I have ever seen Bruuuuuuuuce!!!:beerme:

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 08:33 PM
I just read Dusty's words from yesterday:

“We’re getting too deep (in the count). Drowning deep.”

:eek:

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:33 PM
Almost all #5's are.

He and Latos are going have to pitch better than 4/5 types. Simply put, both men are going to turn it up a notch in June if this team wants to contend.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:36 PM
Wow, we really made Delgado work that inning. Homer probably didn't sit down longer than 60 seconds.

Maker_84
05-14-2012, 08:40 PM
shouldn't have that much trouble with a pitcher

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:41 PM
shouldn't have that much trouble with a pitcher

Just like Mat, every batter is a struggle.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Cubs up 3-0 over the Cards.

Maker_84
05-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Cubs up 3-0 over the Cards.

doesnt matter cause this game looks like an uphill battle

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Ugh. Homer ignoring the scouting report.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:43 PM
doesnt matter cause this game looks like an uphill battle

.... Because we're winning?

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 08:44 PM
1-1

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 08:45 PM
damnit Messaraco .. catch the ball

Maker_84
05-14-2012, 08:45 PM
.... Because we're winning?

not anymore

New York Red
05-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Geez, this is why you start Hanigan every chance you get. He makes that play.

Ohayou
05-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Hanigan would have made that...but you gotta give the rookie some game time.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:46 PM
not anymore

I see you waited a few minutes for the runner on 3rd to score. Very cunning argument.

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 08:47 PM
The names change, but Reds catchers continue to drop the damn ball no matter who's back there. Roberto LaRuearocco, ladies and gents.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Can we bat Bruce and Votto only every inning?

Maker_84
05-14-2012, 08:47 PM
I see you waited a few minutes for the runner on 3rd to score. Very cunning argument.

not really, i knew the braves would score. they aren't the reds with RISP

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 08:48 PM
If you get really frustrated by any baserunners, or 1 run allowed through 5, I would not follow any games started by Bailey or Leake.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:49 PM
not really, i knew the braves would score. they aren't the reds with RISP

You can be negative and doom mongerish when we're losing.. But when we're WINNING, can you at least let the rest of us actual Reds fans attempt to enjoy it? Thanks in advance.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 08:49 PM
I havent been impressed at all so far with Mesoraco--seems thats not the first time this year he has dropped balls on plays at the plate...and so far cant hit his way out of a paper bag...wish we would've kept Ramon one more year.

GoReds19
05-14-2012, 08:49 PM
Homer cant get a pitch and this guy gets 3 or 4 extra inches.

R_Webb18
05-14-2012, 08:50 PM
pretty tough play for mes there.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Maybe Price needs to hold a duel "teaching" session with Latos/Bailey where they work on getting the kinks out together, even offering suggestions on how each other can do it. It is like they need the repetition over 10-15 starts before their radar sensors get it right.

To much talent for all that struggling.

R_Webb18
05-14-2012, 08:51 PM
I havent been impressed at all so far with Mesoraco--seems thats not the first time this year he has dropped balls on plays at the plate...and so far cant hit his way out of a paper bag...wish we would've kept Ramon one more year.

u do realize ur just delaying things for a year?

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Homer cant get a pitch and this guy gets 3 or 4 extra inches.

Who knows, maybe JV would like those extra 3-4 of his inches?

:nono:

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:51 PM
4-6-3 Phillips.

R_Webb18
05-14-2012, 08:51 PM
stop batting him 4th

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Joey Votto - Reds' man walking.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Jay would've been clearly overmatched there, due to the excessive black holes of planetary alignment attributed to a lefty lefty lineup.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Jay Freaking Bruce. I must have misunderstood Marty. I swear he said that one was gone.

GoReds19
05-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Please Dusty bat Votto and Bruce back to back.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 08:53 PM
nice play.. i think

Ohayou
05-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Jay Freaking Bruce.

Little too early there.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Some players make it look easy. Others make it look like that.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:54 PM
Little too early there.

I thought Marty said it was gone.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 08:59 PM
Nice outing for Homer.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:00 PM
Man, Bailey is really withering before our eyes out there.

:rolleyes:

Nice job Homer.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 09:00 PM
Bailey's slider is the missing piece right now.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:01 PM
Nice outing for Homer.

For sure- 1 run in 6 innings against a good offense.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:02 PM
Heisey double. Like to see him get hot.

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:02 PM
It would be awesome if this game can get Heisey going

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 09:02 PM
Low and outside vs. RH = strike every time

Low and outside vs. LH = ball

I guess this guy behind the plate is consistent, but it still bugs me. Delgago's thrown about a dozen balls tonight that were called strikes. It's giving me flashbacks to Glavine & Co.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:03 PM
nice AB by Frazier

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Mesoraco with a big knock here hopefully

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Frazier - what a sorry at-bat. That's awful.

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Mes needs to ditch that bat swinging crap.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:04 PM
Low and outside vs. RH = strike every time

Low and outside vs. LH = ball

I guess this guy behind the plate is consistent, but it still bugs me. Delgago's thrown about a dozen balls tonight that were called strikes. It's giving me flashbacks to Glavine & Co.

I have been trying to figure out the strike zone all game. It seems to be shifted low and outside is Delgado's strategy I'd think at some point Reds batters will figure it out besides Heisey and Bruce.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 09:05 PM
Rolen isn't going to have much competition when he comes back obviously.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:05 PM
he cocks his bat like his getting ready to cast a fishing pole

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:06 PM
good eye there!

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:06 PM
Mes drowns at the plate. Cloggs up 1st.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Rolen isn't going to have much competition when he comes back obviously.

Other than Frazier, the man who currently holds a .996 OPS?

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Gotta lay down a good bunt here

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:07 PM
he cocks his bat like his getting ready to cast a fishing pole

He's not good enough to do that. I understand some motion, but it's just too much. Hard to maintain any level of consistency with that much movement. Gary Sheffield he ain't. (I'm not a hitting coach, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night)

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:07 PM
What the hell is this? Why Bailey?

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Nice call by the manager. Why would he be sacrificing in that situation? That was confusing.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
that could be the worst managerial call of the season!

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
Frazier finally gets a chance to play everyday and goes all Rolen on us.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
Dusty probably wants one more inning by Bailey

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
we have to be the dumbest team in sports history. leaving bailey into hit with a game on the line.

dumb move baker. dumb...

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
Haha. Reckon why Dusty has 1,500 wins and has never won a World Series?

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
What is Bailey's pitch count?

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
I am guessing Bailey is coming back out.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
Bailey is at 98 pitches.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
He did that crap with Latos the other night. Who also failed

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Bailey better damn sure be coming back out.

R_Webb18
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
lol at bailey batting

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Bailey has 99 pitches. What the hell is the advantage of one more IP, when Ondrusek is warm, to GIVE away that out?

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
He did that crap with Latos the other night. Who also failed

At least Bailey put it in play.

GoReds19
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Wow.... Thats all i gotta say.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
They had Ondrusek warming up per Marty. Why get Ondrusek up if Homer is coming back out the whole time?

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:09 PM
DUMB MOVE. absolutely dumb move on baker's part.

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
Simple. Mind games with the opposition.

:(

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
I mocked Welch in my head for even questioning whether Bailey would hit. Inexplicable.

herbdizzle
05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
Having Bailey bat in that situation is so stupid. You give up an out and still need a basehit to score the runner from third. Additionally, Bailey's at 98 pitches, has thrown 6 innings of good ball, and is only being set up to take the loss next inning when he gives up a skanky run. I just don't see why you send him up there. Perfect pinch hit spot for Costanzo or Cairo.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
Bail your manager out, Zack.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
I would rather have two chances with a guy at second than one chance with a guy at third.

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 09:11 PM
I had to sign on to see the comments on what people thought of letting Bailey hit in a situation like this. Makes no sense whatsoever.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:11 PM
If this is the third inning I have no problem with that move.. but my God

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:11 PM
They had Ondrusek warming up per Marty. Why get Ondrusek up if Homer is coming back out the whole time?

I guess Bailey was only coming out if Mesoraco got an out.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:11 PM
We shall see.

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:11 PM
Baker has been known for this.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:11 PM
I would rather have two chances with a guy at second than one chance with a guy at third.

Especially in a tie game. If Bailey was sitting at 85 pitches, different story, but as it is, he's only going 1 more inning.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:12 PM
I guess Bailey was only coming out if Mesoraco got an out.

How does that make sense either? That's an even worse hitting opportunity, might be worth considering Bailey go another inning for such a limited upside.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 09:12 PM
This is the type of game we lost last year all the time

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:12 PM
Well, let's hope Homer holds them here.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:13 PM
It's calls like that that make me wonder why Dusty isn't a manager in the AL.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Closers close. Hitters hit. Pitchers bunt.

Who Dey Time
05-14-2012, 09:13 PM
I would rather have two chances with a guy at second than one chance with a guy at third.

That's the difference between Saturday and tonight. Sending Latos up there was sound since there were no outs. Don't get sending Bailey. However, he is back out there for the 7th.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Closers close. Hitters hit. Pitchers bunt.

I just don't see giving up an out there.

osuredleg24
05-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Well, at least Bailey is coming back out

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
How does that make sense either? That's an even worse hitting opportunity, might be worth considering Bailey go another inning for such a limited upside.

Oh I don't agree with it. I would have PH for him.

If Bailey comes out and puts up a zero in the bottom of the inning it's an okay decision, if not it's terrible. I wouldn't have any issues with it if this team was hitting though, but with how we've struggled I think you have to go for a run whenever you get the chance.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
I just don't see giving up an out there.

Rigidly apply the formula. Don't think about it. It's easier that way.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
The Fox Sports girls are pretty..so why do I find them irritating?

osuredleg24
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
Closers close. Hitters hit. Pitchers bunt.


Rigidly apply the formula. Don't think about it. It's easier that way.

LIsten to this man

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:15 PM
Also- Starters pitch 7 unless they give up the lead.

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:15 PM
If he walks heyward I say get him out.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:15 PM
The Fox Sports girls are pretty..so why do I find them irritating?

They don't seem genuine saying those forced lines, but Sara (brownish hair) is an absolute heart-breaker.

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 09:15 PM
Baker has got to be the dumbest manager in baseball. I hope that move irritates the heck out of Jockety and the ownership group.

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:16 PM
This is as good as Bailey has looked all year.

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:16 PM
man....that was close.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 09:16 PM
who gets the solo shot this inning?

The Rage
05-14-2012, 09:16 PM
GAB, that is long gone.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:16 PM
Can we please at least thank Dusty for doing what was beforehand considered impossible- uniting the Sun Deck? There has to be a UN position for an accomplishment such as this.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:17 PM
Can we please at least thank Dusty for doing what was beforehand considered impossible- uniting the Sun Deck? There has to be a UN position for an accomplishment such as this.

Dusty is the glue that holds this community together in opposition. He is our scapegoat.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:17 PM
Can we please at least thank Dusty for doing what was beforehand considered impossible- uniting the Sun Deck? There has to be a UN position for an accomplishment such as this.

I tip my cap to a significant diplomatic feat.

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:17 PM
95 mph

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
Well-placed dribbler. Geez.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
Baliey has had some luck, but a quality start for sure.

osuredleg24
05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
and here is where Bailey will lose it

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
I freaking hate when teams get those on us...and it seems like they get a lot.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 09:18 PM
i really hate when other teams get a swinging bunt.

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:19 PM
btw Cards just tied up the cubs 4-4.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:19 PM
How is the Atlanta bullpen?

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 09:19 PM
And here we go. That will be the "trigger" for Homer tonight. Happens almost every time he pitches. Can't get over stuff like this, mentally.

BluegrassRedleg
05-14-2012, 09:20 PM
I freaking hate when teams get those on us...and it seems like they get a lot.

Then again, we get gray-mist doubles. :p

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:20 PM
Please don't let Juan Francisco beat us.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:20 PM
It's games like this that really makes me wonder what to ultimately do with Bailey. If he can do this even every other start he's a real asset.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:20 PM
Who wouldn't rather have Ondrusek on the mound currently? Sticky situation.

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:20 PM
Bailey @ 112 pitches. Time to go get him.

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
He's done. Meltdown time.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Interesting to see if Dusty swallows his pride and admits his mistake and pulls him, if he walks him.

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Looks like the swinging bunt got in his head. That would be typical Bailey.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Another runner reaches and Bailey is gone

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
i hope this isnt going to be the skanky run someone referenced earlier

LeDoux
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Almost!

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:21 PM
OMG I think he was out.

osuredleg24
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
he beat it out..good effort though

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
Homer. :beerme:

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
At least we got to save a hitter for later.

Stray
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
That was a good game by Bailey. Deserved a win.

Who Dey Time
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
Great effort by Homer tonight.

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:22 PM
Strong outing by Homer, soured somewhat by a baffling managerial decision.

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:23 PM
Great game by bailey. He reaches that glove out instead of letting the ball come to him, runner is out and he completes the inning.

arkimadee
05-14-2012, 09:23 PM
nice game Homer!

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 09:23 PM
It's games like this that really makes me wonder what to ultimately do with Bailey. If he can do this even every other start he's a real asset.
And, this is the only reason I can think of why Baker would have him hit there. He's trying to turn him into that #3 Starter, and he's only going to become that person if he can get into situations like this and then perform under pressure. Baker has to also manage just not for today, but for this year and for the future of the franchise, though most managers don't care much about the future of the franchise, unless they feel that they'll be here for more years.

The Rage
05-14-2012, 09:24 PM
The key thing missing for Bailey is his slider. It isn't the out pitch.......yet......it became last year. If he gets to throwing it like he did last year while throwing far better 4 seamers than he did last year, he can be a solid 2/3 type. Really the missing link for Homer right now.

RedsFanInBama
05-14-2012, 09:24 PM
If Homer pitched in Atlanta, Florida, and San Diego all the time people would think he was awesome. He'd be like Latos. Probably better.

New York Red
05-14-2012, 09:25 PM
Great job, Homer! It must suck being a starting pitcher for this Reds team.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-14-2012, 09:25 PM
we get 9 runs in a game once a week---then games like tonight we couldnt score if our life depended on it--and the one run was on an error...homer pitches his butt off and 0 to show for it

DirtyBaker
05-14-2012, 09:25 PM
Yep. Hitting Bailey was probably a confidence building move that was more about the overall picture than the actual situation. I think this is the philosophical difference between Dusty and Sundeckers.

Mutaman
05-14-2012, 09:25 PM
Baker has to also manage just not for today, but for this year and for the future of the franchise, though most managers don't care much about the future of the franchise, unless they feel that they'll be here for more years.

When complaining about Baker, most RedZoners look only at today. ( Actually yesterday, since most complaints are second guesses).

Kingspoint
05-14-2012, 09:25 PM
That was a good game by Bailey. Deserved a win.Could have gotten it if they'd pinch-hit for him.

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:26 PM
oh boy. come on logan.

texasdave
05-14-2012, 09:26 PM
Homer has been in plenty of pressure situations. That was a crap decision by a dumb manager. Save all the philosophical nonsense. If Dusty truly was gonna let Bailey stay in so he could peform under pressure and become a man he would have never gotten Ondrusek up.

rolenmvp
05-14-2012, 09:27 PM
good job logan!

LaFlamaBlanca
05-14-2012, 09:27 PM
I'm sure Cy Young would've been half the player if he hadn't gotten two outs in the 7th inning of a somewhat meaningless early May game.