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Who Dey Time
05-18-2012, 06:23 PM
Will good triumph over evil???

Cozart SS
Stubbs CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Heisey LF
Frazier 3B
Cairo DH
Hanigan C

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 06:32 PM
There is no reason why the Redlegs do not do well in this series. This is not your father's Yankees- no Teshara, an offense that is really struggling, no Mo, and Pettitt still getting it together. Just don't give Granderson a pitch he can hit.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 06:33 PM
I'm not sure if the ghosts moved across the street when they built the new park.

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 06:33 PM
Dusty hates Hanigan and Cairo plays DH as he'll get to face his former team.

Arroyo at the very least needs to give 6 innings the way the bullpen has been depleted. Little nervous going into this one tonight, but very much looking forward to seeing two vets face each other as Pettitte makes his second start.

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 06:44 PM
I saw this in the MLB.com game preview:

"I know everybody wants me to play the guy who's hot, but what happens when the guy who's hot gets cold and the cold guy never gets lukewarm because he's not playing?" - Dusty on Heisey/Ludwick situation

What happens if neither starts enough games consecutively to ever get hot?

If he's concerned about Ludwick's playing time, have Heisey play CF once a week and give Ludwick a start in LF another time - 2 starts a week for Ludwick to stay fresh. It's not like Stubbs is a bat that needs to be in the lineup 160 games a year.

R_Webb18
05-18-2012, 06:49 PM
There is no reason why the Redlegs do not do well in this series. This is not your father's Yankees- no Teshara, an offense that is really struggling, no Mo, and Pettitt still getting it together. Just don't give Granderson a pitch he can hit.

they play in al east
they have scored 178 vs our 144
they face bronson (not bad but idk against this lineup) and homer
we have cueto but he's vs cc

im scared. 1 win might be good here.

texasdave
05-18-2012, 06:54 PM
Jeter SS
Granderson CF
Cano 2b
A.Rodriguez 3b
Ibanez RF
Swisher 1B
E.Chavez DH
Wise LF
Stewart C

Our old buddy Dewayne Wise in the lineup. 6 lefties, 3 righties. If you are keeping track.
The Reds should pound Pettitte.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 07:00 PM
they play in al east
they have scored 178 vs our 144
they face bronson (not bad but idk against this lineup) and homer
we have cueto but he's vs cc

im scared. 1 win might be good here.

All good points, but this is a Yankee team with a lot of holes.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 07:02 PM
Hopefully Arroyo doesn't throw one of those 1-2 inning 9-10 ER type games he seems to have every year. Can't afford it now.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 07:04 PM
Jeter SS

6 lefties, 3 righties. .

If you look back at the Braves, Mets and now the Yankees, do you see a pattern? Why can't the Red's organization figure this out?

texasdave
05-18-2012, 07:05 PM
I am really interested to see how Arroyo does. I think the Reds win a wild one 9-7. Or something along those lines.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 07:10 PM
Bronson always did well against the Yankees back in the day, but he will have a big task against six lefties. I don't see the Reds battering Pettit. I don't think he would have come back if he didn't have something left. Hope I'm wrong.

Big game for the Yankee: 3 straight losses, the natives are getting restless, and Pettit's first game back in New York.

Stray
05-18-2012, 07:22 PM
Arroyo on the mound...bunch of lefties in the Yankees lineup...that short RF porch in Yankee stadium.

Yeah...I don't have a good feeling about this.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 07:41 PM
The reds tend to piss down their leg against elite competition. Not expecting much this series, ill be content with one win

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:03 PM
Well it's a good thing we have Chapman down in the pen to possibly go maybe 2 innings against this LH dominated lineup...opps we DON'T because someone chose to pitch him yesterday against the METS.....ugg how does this man keep his job..

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:06 PM
It's not like Stubbs is a bat that needs to be in the lineup 160 games a year.
Baker seems to think so.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:08 PM
The reds tend to piss down their leg against elite competition.
:laugh:

Cozart working hard to get Janish on I-71.

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:11 PM
:laugh:

Cozart working hard to get Janish on I-71.

Huh?

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 08:11 PM
Well it's a good thing we have Chapman down in the pen to possibly go maybe 2 innings against this LH dominated lineup...opps we DON'T because someone chose to pitch him yesterday against the METS.....ugg how does this man keep his job..

You're trolling right? He brought Chapman in to protect a lead, against a left dominated lineup. There's enough legitimate complaints to bring up against Walt and Dusty without resorting to foolishness.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:12 PM
Pettitte can apparently fall out of bed and throw 90.

wvreds
05-18-2012, 08:15 PM
Those were pitiful AB's by Votto and Phillips..... Pitiful

Stray
05-18-2012, 08:16 PM
Cozart got lucky to get on and Stubbs laid down a nice bunt. Too bad Votto and Phillips couldn't put the bat on the ball.

Stray
05-18-2012, 08:18 PM
Frazier makes me nervous with those throws. I guess we've been spoiled with Rolen.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:19 PM
Actually would have liked to see Stubbs swing at the LHPs.

It's the RHPs he doesn't hit (.807/.691 career OPS split).

And they're the ones falling away from the bunt down the 3B line.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 08:20 PM
40-year-old with a 5.00 ERA makes Reds look like a Little League outfit.

Move over Kerry Wood, Pettitte's gunning for you tonight.

Stray
05-18-2012, 08:20 PM
He got a runner to 3rd with 1 out and Votto coming to the plate. With the way we struggle to score runs I like the call, Votto just has to put the ball in play.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 08:25 PM
Would Stubbs have caught that ball?

RedsFanInBama
05-18-2012, 08:26 PM
He got a runner to 3rd with 1 out and Votto coming to the plate. With the way we struggle to score runs I like the call, Votto just has to put the ball in play.
Votto has to get that run home in that situation. I don't have a problem with the call either.

RedsFanInBama
05-18-2012, 08:28 PM
Is there a reason that Dusty continues to believe that Hanigan is the worst hitter on the team?

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 08:28 PM
Frazier hit 42 HR at Rutgers breaking his brother's record. Yankees just showed a picture of Todd standing next to Jeter 2 days after Two Rivers won the Little League WS. Jeter doesn't look that much different.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 08:33 PM
Yankees are paying Ibanez 1/2 of what the Reds are paying Ludwick. Good move.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 08:39 PM
Yankees are paying Ibanez 1/2 of what the Reds are paying Ludwick. Good move.

Wait to Ludwick starts hitting...........

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 08:40 PM
We are watching two guys who really know how to pitch.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Huh?
Cozart>>><>=<<>=>><><=>>Janish

Is that clear enough?

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:43 PM
Cozart>>><>=<<>=>><><=>>Janish

Is that clear enough?

Nope cause I can't see anyone can think that Janish is anywhere near the player that cozart is, it's not even close...:confused:

The Rage
05-18-2012, 08:44 PM
They should bring yanni back up to challenge Cozart :lol:

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:45 PM
Nope cause I can't see anyone can think that Janish is anywhere near the player that cozart is, it's not even close...:confused:
I somehow agree. Yet I'm getting less and less worried that Cozart will be blocking Gregorius when he's ready.

PumpFak3First
05-18-2012, 08:45 PM
Team would really be something with a lead off hitter that consistently got on base

Stray
05-18-2012, 08:46 PM
Team would really be something with a lead off hitter that consistently got on base

Agreed, and I also think other players would get better by moving to a more comfortable position in the lineup.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 08:47 PM
I somehow agree. Yet I'm getting less and less worried that Cozart will be blocking Gregorius when he's ready.

How good of hitter is Gregorius compared to Yanni and Cozart? We need somebody that can leadoff.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 08:48 PM
Lol this offense is a joke. Too easy for Pettite

Stray
05-18-2012, 08:50 PM
This team has so much trouble putting the bat on the ball. It's hard to watch.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:50 PM
Lol this offense is a joke. Too easy for Pettite
Too true.

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:52 PM
How good of hitter is Gregorius compared to Yanni and Cozart? We need somebody that can leadoff.

Gregorius? Really the kid is like where and you want to bump him up and leadoff? I am continually amazed at how somepeople just want to rush up young kids thinking that a miricle will happen and we will have our leadoff hitter...:laugh:

The Rage
05-18-2012, 08:52 PM
Gregorius? Really the kid is like where and you want to bump him up and leadoff? I am continually amazed at how somepeople just want to rush up young kids thinking that a miricle will happen and we will have our leadoff hitter...:laugh:

I am not talking about now, in the future.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 08:53 PM
How good of hitter is Gregorius compared to Yanni and Cozart? We need somebody that can leadoff.

.291/.360/.340/.701 in AA so far this season (age 22).

Not much power, but a great glove. LH hitter.

Stray
05-18-2012, 08:53 PM
Good start for Bronson so far.

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:55 PM
I am not talking about now, in the future.

Like the 2014 season? I am much more worried about this year and wondering why Dusty refuses to think outside the box...:confused:

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:56 PM
Lol this offense is a joke. Too easy for Pettite

So far the mighty Yankee offense doesn't look that impressive either now do they?

The Rage
05-18-2012, 08:57 PM
Nice AB dat dude :confused:

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 08:57 PM
If you put Bronson's or Pettit's brains into Latos' body, he'd win 40 games per year.

brm7675
05-18-2012, 08:58 PM
If you put Bronson's or Pettit's brains into Latos' body, he'd win 40 games per year.

Brain? How about experience. Exactly how many games, both big and small have Pettit and Bronson pitched? Now how many games has Latos pitched. We all seem to think that great pitching happens overnight. Latos is 24, still young and learning...

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:01 PM
Brain? How about experience. Exactly how many games, both big and small have Pettit and Bronson pitched? Now how many games has Latos pitched. We all seem to think that great pitching happens overnight. Latos is 24, still young and learning...

All true, but I still suspect he's not the sharpest pencil in the box.

RedsFanInBama
05-18-2012, 09:01 PM
Gregorius? Really the kid is like where and you want to bump him up and leadoff? I am continually amazed at how somepeople just want to rush up young kids thinking that a miricle will happen and we will have our leadoff hitter...:laugh:

It can't be that much funnier than what we're getting out of the leadoff spot at this point (in a sad-funny way).

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 09:01 PM
Ive had enough Grande for tonight. I'll take fried chicken and ice cream over this Andy Pettitte documentary.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:03 PM
Brain? How about experience. Exactly how many games, both big and small have Pettit and Bronson pitched? Now how many games has Latos pitched. We all seem to think that great pitching happens overnight. Latos is 24, still young and learning...

Cueto's only 26 but he's clearly far more intelligent than Latos.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:04 PM
So far the mighty Yankee offense doesn't look that impressive either now do they?

their going against our best pitcher in a big game situation, let's see how they do tomorrow and sunday

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:05 PM
Yankees's offense has not done much all year.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:06 PM
Latos was weak to August of last year fwiw.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:06 PM
Yankees's offense has not done much all year.

they play in the strongest division in baseball

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:10 PM
Adjust Arroyo adjust!!!

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:11 PM
1-0, should be enough for Pettite

Who Dey Time
05-18-2012, 09:11 PM
they play in the strongest division in baseball

I find it laughable that you want to make a bunch of excuses for the Yankees but you cut the Reds no slack and are always negative in regards to them.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:12 PM
I just logged on and saw our offense is tearing it up again. 7 K's through 4 innings...getting blown away by Pettite's 87 mph fastball.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:12 PM
I find it laughable that you want to make a bunch of excuses for the Yankees but you cut the Reds no slack and are always negative in regards to them.

maybe because they've proven to be winners down the stretch and the Reds haven't?

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:14 PM
maybe because they've proven to be winners down the stretch and the Reds haven't?

when the Reds can actually win a playoff series maybe i'll cut them some slack, but until then they haven't shown me anything

Who Dey Time
05-18-2012, 09:14 PM
maybe because they've proven to be winners down the stretch and the Reds haven't?

With their roster they should. Every time.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:14 PM
maybe because they've proven to be winners down the stretch and the Reds haven't?


Its been awhile since the Yankees won " down the stretch". And it ain't going to happen this year either.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:16 PM
I just logged on and saw our offense is tearing it up again. 7 K's through 4 innings...getting blown away by Pettite's 87 mph fastball.

I'd feel much better about the Reds facing a guy throwing 97. Speed isn't what leads to their Ks.

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 09:16 PM
Its been awhile since the Yankees won " down the stretch". And it ain't going to happen this year either.

Not for yankee standards Relative to most teams this is incorrect.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:17 PM
Jeter laughing with ARod about how easy it is to get the Reds hitters out.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:18 PM
Jeter laughing with ARod about how easy it is to get the Reds hitters out.

Very very sad

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:18 PM
This is a disgrace.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:18 PM
Not for yankee standards Relative to most teams this is incorrect.

Most teams don't have 200 million dollar pay rolls. I will never forgive the Reds for not signing CC and Texara a few years ago. Simply no excuse.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:19 PM
Cozart surprised that was strike 3...it was right down the middle.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:20 PM
Its been awhile since the Yankees won " down the stretch". And it ain't going to happen this year either.

either way they've had success the past 6 six years with this group and the Reds have had none

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:25 PM
Ok you convinced me. Castellini should double the pay roll. And Reds fans should start averaging 40,000 per game.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:26 PM
This game will be over by 9:30

LeDoux
05-18-2012, 09:26 PM
Arroyo Cruising. 60 pitches through 5.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:27 PM
they don't have to do that but at least be smart with the players you aquire. The Volquez trade turned out to be a total failure and the Latos trade is looking very questionable

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:27 PM
It pretty clear at this point that Bronson's problems in 2011 were all due to his health. He is really pitching.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:27 PM
Bronson looking good...too bad our offense doesn't.:(

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:29 PM
It pretty clear at this point that Bronson's problems in 2011 were all due to his health. He is really pitching.

best big game pitcher on this team

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:29 PM
stubbs!

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:30 PM
they don't have to do that but at least be smart with the players you aquire. The Volquez trade turned out to be a total failure and the Latos trade is looking very questionable


What do you want me to do- defend the Hamilton deal? Duh. How'd that Pineda trade work out for the Yankees? When you got the dough, you can afford to make big mistakes.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:31 PM
Yankees announcers bragging how well Pettite is doing......wake up guys, he's pitching against a poor hitting team.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:33 PM
i take back my last post, Stubbs = Failure

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Red's are last in the league in stolen bases.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Whew wee, stinky stank

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:34 PM
What a feeble offense.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Phillips still looking for walk #8.

Someday soon.

GoReds19
05-18-2012, 09:34 PM
Drew Stubbs has officially became worthless.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:35 PM
Red's are last in the league in stolen bases.

dang near last in offense as well

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:35 PM
I'm glad he ran, gonna get thrown out sometimes. We just can't hit, it's depressing.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:35 PM
I'm glad he ran, gonna get thrown out sometimes. We just can't hit, it's depressing.

Agreed

malcontent
05-18-2012, 09:36 PM
I'm glad he ran...
But knowing then what you know now....

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:36 PM
We could use some of those runs Latos wasted yesterday.

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:36 PM
It's funny how people will pile on a guy no matter what. Stubbs has had two good at bats today which is more than the rest of the team can say.

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 09:36 PM
Getting owned by a cheating, aging, "comes out of retirement" lefty. Pathetic...

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:38 PM
Bronson really needs to bear down here. game is on the line.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:38 PM
Getting owned by a cheating, aging, "comes out of retirement" lefty. Pathetic...

the Reds get owned by everyone, this shouldn't be a surprise anymore. I'll be surprised when they actually start producing

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:39 PM
The Yankees have caught on to Arroyo, gang way!!!!

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:39 PM
I heard the Angels fired their hitting coach. I wouldn't mind us doing the same.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:39 PM
Bronson really needs to bear down here. game is on the line.

he gets a pass no matter what, the offense was never gonna do anything tonight

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:40 PM
Grandy with a seeing eye single...2 on, 0 outs.......danger time

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:41 PM
big trouble now

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:42 PM
It's all good. We're just a triple play away from getting out of this.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 09:42 PM
Yankees sending far too many LH hitters to plate against Arroyo.

They're practically stacking their lineup with them.

Umps need to start enforcing the "Reds Rule" and limit them to two ASAP.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:42 PM
Another game going into the loss column

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:42 PM
the Yankees are a professional ball club and actually produce a things called runs throughout the course of a game

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Perfect pitch by Arroyo... ball

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Yankees have had the bases loaded 36 times this year. I don't think we've done it even 10 times.

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 09:44 PM
boot cost them the DP but nice to get the lead runner at home.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:44 PM
We finally get a break.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Votto probably made the right decision there the way this offense is going.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Almost a bad throw by Joey....Hanigan had to dig it out.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:46 PM
What a job by Arroyo. A standing ovation. If this offense doesn't pick him up..........

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:46 PM
That's Ibanez running. I would have rather had Votto go for the double play.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:46 PM
We finally get a break.

That happens at 2B on a DP, nobody ever says a word. I'll take it.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:46 PM
I say that's the third game in a row Joey has made a mental mistake.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:47 PM
Great work, Bronson! :beerme:

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:47 PM
I say that's the third game in a row Joey has made a mental mistake.

Yep. He probably needs a day off to be honest.

Also, heck of a job by Arroyo.

Who Dey Time
05-18-2012, 09:47 PM
Great job by Arroyo.

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
Bronson Houdini...nice.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
Jacoby must have given the Yankees hitting tips before the game.....

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
Outstanding! Lets win this game!

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
amazing by Arroyo, i really feel bad for the guy

osuredleg24
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
the Yankees are a professional ball club and actually produce a things called runs throughout the course of a game

say wut

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
amazing by Arroyo, i really feel bad for the guy

It ain't over yet.

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 09:49 PM
Houdini!

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:49 PM
amazing by Arroyo, i really feel bad for the guy


My alarm goes off at 7:30 tomorrow. I feel bad for me.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:51 PM
9...yes 9 K's for Pettite

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:51 PM
I hate when Bruce is in a funk

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 09:51 PM
credit the ump for Bruce's K on the strike 2 call...

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 09:52 PM
credit the ump for Bruce's K on the strike 2 call...

After the call at the plate last inning, I'm not complaining.

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:53 PM
Might wanna check out that Pirates/Tigers game.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:53 PM
Verlander is pretty good.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 09:54 PM
Good job Heisey, tire Petcheat out.

Stray
05-18-2012, 09:54 PM
I'd run Heisey too. I haven't seen anything today that would let me think we'll get 2 more hits in this inning.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Why is 53-year-old Miguel Cairo our DH?

Wonderful Monds
05-18-2012, 09:55 PM
I'd run Heisey too. I haven't seen anything today that would let me think we'll get 2 more hits in this inning.

All the more reason to not risk the out IMO

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Might wanna check out that Pirates/Tigers game.

Pirates having offensive troubles like the Reds.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Reds have as many Ks tonight vs. Pettitte as Pirates do against Verlander. :p

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:56 PM
Lets force the Yanks to bring in a right hander so we can get all our left handed hitters into the game.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2012, 09:56 PM
You're not going to see another "good contact" pitch from Pettitte the rest of the night. This will be Glavine-esque.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:57 PM
What a performance...not by Pettite, but by the Reds:thumbdown:

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 09:57 PM
Might wanna check out that Pirates/Tigers game.

Wow.

Verlander vs Pirates is not fair

malcontent
05-18-2012, 09:57 PM
Lets force the Yanks to bring in a right hander so we can get all our left handed hitters into the game.
Enjoy Costanzo now while you still can.

Walt has his eyes on the 72-year-old Mora.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 09:58 PM
Wow.

Verlander vs Pirates is not fair

Anyone vs the Reds isn't fair.:laugh:

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 09:59 PM
You're not going to see another "good contact" pitch from Pettitte the rest of the night. This will be Glavine-esque.

I suspect Pettite is done for the night. I hope.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:03 PM
Can't ask for much more from Arroyo. Pitched a hell of a game.

LeDoux
05-18-2012, 10:03 PM
Have the Reds been shut out yet this season? I don't remember it if they were.

Red Raindog
05-18-2012, 10:03 PM
82 pitches
Latos could learn

GoReds19
05-18-2012, 10:04 PM
Nice inning by Arroyo. Now lets see if the Reds can't score a couple.

Red Raindog
05-18-2012, 10:04 PM
Nice inning by Arroyo. Now lets see if the Reds can't score a couple.

even one -- he does not deserve an L

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 10:08 PM
!st pitch swinging against Cy Petite? Cozart= idiot.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:08 PM
Cozart didn't want to K again, so he went after the first pitch.

GoReds19
05-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Wow.... This is hard to watch.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Cozart OPS in full death-spiral.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Can this game just be over already?

The Rage
05-18-2012, 10:09 PM
Simply embarrasing.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 10:10 PM
Keep repeating:

"You don't break out the champagne in May, and you don't start hanging your head. Its a long season"

Jeter

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 10:10 PM
Cozart OPS in full death-spiral.

1 for his last 26. Time to get a new SS, CF, and 3b

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 10:10 PM
Ponce de Leon and his fountain of youth in the Yankee dug out. Petite then A-Rod

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:11 PM
They had to go back to 1976 for our Nissan Drive of the Game haha

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 10:12 PM
1 for his last 26. Time to get a new SS, CF, and 3b

Reds fans were ready to put Cozart in the HOF a short time ago. He's a nice ball player. Just give him a day or two off and get him out of the lead off spot. It was a dumb idea in the first place.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:13 PM
1 for his last 26. Time to get a new SS, CF, and 3b
I have some hope for Frazier.

Losing faith in Cozart's offense though.

GoReds19
05-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Reds fans were ready to put Cozart in the HOF a short time ago. He's a nice ball player. Just give him a day or two off and get him out of the lead off spot. It was a dumb idea in the first place.

Yea wth can't Dusty see the kid is struggling. Either put him back in the 2 hole or give him a day off. Geeze.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Goodrroyo in Yankeeees heads.

This game could have been sweet.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Bronson talked to his lawyer between innings...says he is suing the Reds for lack of support!!:laugh::laugh:

The Rage
05-18-2012, 10:15 PM
Goodrroyo rather than Badrroyo but it doesn't matter. The team can't hit. Shame. At least the pen has the night off. Night, this game is over.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:16 PM
Game over.

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 10:16 PM
Bruce and Votto should be using the short porch....Canoe....

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:17 PM
Despite Cano's HR, Bronson has pitched a great game. What a shame he will lose.

LeDoux
05-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Can the pitching carry this offense through this season? I really don't know.

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Bronson deserved better than this.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:18 PM
He needs to be lifted.

Is anybody up?

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:19 PM
Verlander through 8 with a no hitter!

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 10:19 PM
Cozart OPS in full death-spiral.

1 for his last 26. Time to get a new SS, CF, and 3b

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:19 PM
Thanks, Baker.

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:19 PM
He needs to be lifted.

Is anybody up?

According to the Yankee announcers no one was up before THAT just happened.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Arredondo had been up.

Who Dey Time
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
According to the Yankee announcers no one was up before THAT just happened.

Wrong. Arredondo has been up.

R_Webb18
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Thanks, Baker.

?

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
According to the Yankee announcers no one was up before THAT just happened.
Par for Baker.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
I guess I can walk my dogs now.

GoReds19
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Wtf dusty

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Thank god the Reds have only the Cardinals to deal with.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Badrroyo arrived just in time to save the Reds hitters from taking the full blame.

Maker_84
05-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Even though the records are similar we lost to a team tonight that is 3 times the team cincinnati is

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Wrong. Arredondo has been up.
Obviously being saved for when needed.

Oh, wait...

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Yea wth can't Dusty see the kid is struggling. Either put him back in the 2 hole or give him a day off. Geeze.

Nope. Bat him 8th. Put as little pressure as possible on the rookie.

GoReds19
05-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Even though the records are similar we lost to a team tonight that is 3 times the team cincinnati is

3 times the payroll too.

DocRed
05-18-2012, 10:21 PM
I'm not sure who is worse...Duhsty or Price.....:confused:

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:22 PM
1 for his last 26. Time to get a new SS, CF, and 3b

add hitting coach & manager!!

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:22 PM
Arredondo had been up.

Wrong. Arredondo has been up.
Thanks. I usually assume Yankees guys to be wrong tbh but that time I was getting steamed.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:22 PM
You guys realize how much our bullpen has been worked lately right? We kinda had to ride with Arroyo late into this game.

But typical Arroyo, when it goes wrong it's 3 runs in 3 minutes.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:23 PM
Thank god the Reds have only the Cardinals to deal with.
Doesn't really matter though.

This team is going nowhere.

Cards can mail it in and still win the division.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 10:23 PM
I can see why Walt did't pursue the left handed hitting Ibanez for 1.1 million when he could sign the right handed hitting Ludwick for 2 million. Makes perfectly good sense.

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:23 PM
You guys realize how much our bullpen has been worked lately right? We kinda had to ride with Arroyo late into this game.

But typical Arroyo, when it goes wrong it's 3 runs in 3 minutes.

Well he gave us 7+. Jose will work less than one inning in a worst case scenario. Could have been like Latos yesterday and really screwed us up.

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:24 PM
I can see why Walt did't pursue the left handed hitting Ibanez for 1.1 million when he could sign the right handed hitting Ludwick for 2 million. Makes perfectly good sense.

Yeah, but you are forgetting the left handed hitting Willie Harris.

DocRed
05-18-2012, 10:24 PM
Above average players + Below average coaches=.500 team

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:25 PM
Above average players + Below average coaches=.500 team

They still didn't get a run. This can't be on Baker alone.

LeDoux
05-18-2012, 10:25 PM
You guys realize how much our bullpen has been worked lately right? We kinda had to ride with Arroyo late into this game.

But typical Arroyo, when it goes wrong it's 3 runs in 3 minutes.

I understand the desire to get everything you can from the starter. But Arroyo and 4th time through the lineup has never been good.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:25 PM
Well he gave us 7+. Jose will work less than one inning in a worst case scenario. Could have been like Latos yesterday and really screwed us up.

Oh I'm not blaming Arroyo. I think he was great today.

If it weren't for all of the short starts we've been getting lately he would have never even went out for the 8th.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 10:26 PM
Above average players + Below average coaches=.500 team

We do not have above average players at short, third, left or center. Thats half the team.

The Rage
05-18-2012, 10:27 PM
Bad hitting and struggling starters=a slump

DocRed
05-18-2012, 10:27 PM
They still didn't get a run. This can't be on Baker alone.

Oh absolutely. But, we had a shot at 2-0 if Baker would have made the correct decision and taken Arroyo out after the HR and hit. That's a no brainer IMO. At 4-0 we have almost zero chance.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:27 PM
I understand the desire to get everything you can from the starter. But Arroyo and 4th time through the lineup has never been good.

True, but with 20 games in 20 days, and with the short starts we've been constantly getting, you almost had to ride with Arroyo through 8 when he's pitching well.

With a lead Dusty might have done it differently, but since we were losing you have to try to get that pen rest.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:28 PM
I understand the desire to get everything you can from the starter. But Arroyo and 4th time through the lineup has never been good.
Totally agree.

Baker pounded the final nails in tonite's coffin himself.

LeDoux
05-18-2012, 10:30 PM
True, but with 20 games in 20 days, and with the short starts we've been constantly getting, you almost had to ride with Arroyo through 8 when he's pitching well.

With a lead Dusty might have done it differently, but since we were losing you have to try to get that pen rest.

I would rather Arroyo leave the game feeling good. But it looks like it will not matter. 0 runs won't win you too many ballgames.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:30 PM
Verlander lost his no hitter with one out in the 9th.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:30 PM
Votto back in unassuming Clark Kent role.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:31 PM
I would rather Arroyo leave the game feeling good. But it looks like it will not matter. 0 runs won't win you too many ballgames.

If nothing else he gave us 7 2/3 and we didn't need to use the pen much. Like you said, 0 runs isn't gonna win you any games.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:32 PM
Aaaand Phillips back in (Bob's) Favorite Mistake mode.

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 10:32 PM
Find a true right handed power bat and move Phillips back to leadoff and Cozart #2..C'mon Jocketty! Do your job!!!!!!!!

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:33 PM
Well, Walt & Co. better do something, or it's another 3rd place finish this year.

CU2morrownite
05-18-2012, 10:33 PM
Reds = pathetic

bigredmechanism
05-18-2012, 10:33 PM
Oh absolutely. But, we had a shot at 2-0 if Baker would have made the correct decision and taken Arroyo out after the HR and hit. That's a no brainer IMO. At 4-0 we have almost zero chance.

I can't argue with that. He should have been out at 2-0. Pitched a hell of a game and he got hung out to dry. His line should have been 7.0 IP 2 ER

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:34 PM
Something needs to be done about this offense. This isn't on Dusty or any one player in particular, this is a team problem.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:35 PM
Fire the hitting coach. Change up the lineup. DFA dead weight and take a flyer on anyone. Something, anything.

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:35 PM
Find a true right handed power bat....
What's that?

A guy that throws right as well as hits right?

No Ludwick, for instance?

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 10:35 PM
And I thought this was the game we had the best chance to win against the Yankees!

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:36 PM
Fire the hitting coach. Change up the lineup. DFA dead weight and take a flyer on anyone. Something, anything.
MELVIN!!!!

The Rage
05-18-2012, 10:37 PM
Reds may be swept. Bailey will be shelled and CC will masterfully handle this top notch offense.

DocRed
05-18-2012, 10:38 PM
Arroyo really did pitch lights out for almost 8 innings. Oh, how the Yankees must hate him, I imagine many of them faced him when he was with the BoSox.
This is a good sign for him the rest of the season. That's about the only silver lining I see tonight.

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:38 PM
MELVIN!!!!

Haha at this point I'd be happy to see a new face.

Someone asked why Cairo was DHing and I thought it was a good question... Then I realized Mesoraco, Valdez, Ludwick, and George Costanza were our other options. That's terrible.

EMAW
05-18-2012, 10:43 PM
Something needs to be done about this offense. This isn't on Dusty or any one player in particular, this is a team problem.

I would say the organization as a whole needs to be taken to task. The Reds simply are a very poorly put together baseball team. Say what you want fans, but this team is not playing below their potential. Only Votto and Bruce are above average players in 2012 MLB. Outside of a staff throwing like the 1968 Cards this team will not finish better than .500

Key offseason adds were a LF who has not had a good year in a while, a utility infielder that was wanted by no one. The Reds money men had legit shots at Beltran and others and played it safe with retreads they were familiar with.

I am biased, but I do not see this as a Dusty problem, unless he has complete say in who the team signs and does not sign.

DocRed
05-18-2012, 10:43 PM
Oh well, at least I made money on the Facebook IPO today....oh wait...DOH!

brm7675
05-18-2012, 10:44 PM
Cueto's only 26 but he's clearly far more intelligent than Latos.

Two years of experience is HUGE

malcontent
05-18-2012, 10:45 PM
Haha at this point I'd be happy to see a new face.

Someone asked why Cairo was DHing and I thought it was a good question... Then I realized Mesoraco, Valdez, Ludwick, and George Costanza were our other options. That's terrible.
Yeah, I've offered my Overt Sabotage by Manager (OSM) hypothesis to the RedsZone community for years now, to practically no response.

With that in mind, I'd like to outline my new Covert Sabotage by General Manager (CSGM) hypothesis.

brm7675
05-18-2012, 10:47 PM
I would say the organization as a whole needs to be taken to task. The Reds simply are a very poorly put together baseball team. Say what you want fans, but this team is not playing below their potential. Only Votto and Bruce are above average players in 2012 MLB. Outside of a staff throwing like the 1968 Cards this team will not finish better than .500

Key offseason adds were a LF who has not had a good year in a while, a utility infielder that was wanted by no one. The Reds money men had legit shots at Beltran and others and played it safe with retreads they were familiar with.

I am biased, but I do not see this as a Dusty problem, unless he has complete say in who the team signs and does not sign.


Completly on Dusty....no but poor navy sure doesn't help...

Stray
05-18-2012, 10:52 PM
We have 3 two hole hitters, 0 leadoff hitters, and 0 cleanup hitters.

I would sacrifice Stubbs' comfort for the better of the team and go with

1. Phillips
2. Cozart
3. Votto
4. Bruce
5-7. Stubbs-Heisey-Frazier in any order
8. Hanigan
9. P

If that doesn't work then we're SOL and we live with the results.

Mutaman
05-18-2012, 11:01 PM
Find a true right handed power bat and move Phillips back to leadoff and Cozart #2..C'mon Jocketty! Do your job!!!!!!!!

The last thing this team needs is another right handed bat.

DirtyBaker
05-18-2012, 11:07 PM
Bright side: Bullpen (Arrendondo) only throws 6 pitches. Should be much more rested for the next two games.

40YrRedsFan
05-18-2012, 11:32 PM
I would say the organization as a whole needs to be taken to task. The Reds simply are a very poorly put together baseball team. Say what you want fans, but this team is not playing below their potential. Only Votto and Bruce are above average players in 2012 MLB. Outside of a staff throwing like the 1968 Cards this team will not finish better than .500

Key offseason adds were a LF who has not had a good year in a while, a utility infielder that was wanted by no one. The Reds money men had legit shots at Beltran and others and played it safe with retreads they were familiar with.

I am biased, but I do not see this as a Dusty problem, unless he has complete say in who the team signs and does not sign.

I've been saying this since the second week of the season and all I heard was that it was too early to panic. Now that the season is a quarter gone, it doesn't look like there's been much change.

texasdave
05-19-2012, 01:14 AM
This team has so much trouble putting the bat on the ball. It's hard to watch.

This team doesn't strike out a lot. Didn't you read the thread in Sundeck? They proved it with dead people eating lunch and roaches. Don't look at the numbers. They don't mean anything. It's dead people and roaches from here on out. :laugh:

texasdave
05-19-2012, 01:18 AM
It's funny how people will pile on a guy no matter what. Stubbs has had two good at bats today which is more than the rest of the team can say.

Two good at-bats. We have really lowered the bar around here.

texasdave
05-19-2012, 01:24 AM
You guys realize how much our bullpen has been worked lately right? We kinda had to ride with Arroyo late into this game.

But typical Arroyo, when it goes wrong it's 3 runs in 3 minutes.

LeCure didn't pitch against either Atlanta or the Mets. That being said Bronson was cruising.

Stray
05-19-2012, 02:23 AM
Two good at-bats. We have really lowered the bar around here.

At that point he had only had 3 at bats, and nobody else on the team had done a thing. I just thought it was odd to jump on the one guy in our lineup who was having some minor success.

Stray
05-19-2012, 02:27 AM
LeCure didn't pitch against either Atlanta or the Mets. That being said Bronson was cruising.

Since we were losing we were 3 outs away from a CG loss for Bronson. With a lead I would have hated the decision to send him out for the 8th, being down and looking terrible at the plate all night, I liked the idea to give the bullpen the night off.

And Arroyo had looked good to that point, we started warming Arredondo as soon as he started losing it.

Either way it never mattered. The closest we came to scoring a run was on a strikeout-pass ball-error-sacrifice bunt combo which Votto followed up with another K. If that is your best opportunity all night things are pretty sad.

texasdave
05-19-2012, 11:17 AM
If the Reds don't pound Nova into submission then there really isn't much hope for this team.

40YrRedsFan
05-19-2012, 12:30 PM
If the Reds don't pound Nova into submission then there really isn't much hope for this team.

Yes, on the other hand, we have Bailey going...if he isn't 'on', it'll be a looooong day.