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Wonderful Monds
05-19-2012, 05:51 PM
At the moment that sub-forum is just absolutely unbearable. I understand why the boards are split and why you'd like to vet users here before they can post on the main board...but many are finding that quality discussion is near impossible on The Sun Deck currently. There's just no standard for discussion there.

Boss-Hog
05-20-2012, 10:03 AM
It's something we can discuss, but the only issue I see is the Sun Deck moderators would have to have no interest in joining the ORG so we're not shuffling moderators in that forum.

cincyinco
05-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Why not just have some additional mods from the org?

Boss-Hog
05-22-2012, 06:35 AM
Why not just have some additional mods from the org?
Truthfully, it's been challenging enough to find qualified candidates in the ORG that want to moderate that forum, so I don't think it's likely they'll want to moderate a forum they can't post in.

dougdirt
05-22-2012, 01:54 PM
Truthfully, it's been challenging enough to find qualified candidates in the ORG that want to moderate that forum, so I don't think it's likely they'll want to moderate a forum they can't post in.

Why not allow moderators to post in the forum?

WMR
05-22-2012, 08:18 PM
Why not allow moderators to post in the forum?

Would help raise discourse, provide an example of what SD members should be striving for, and clean up the board a bit in one fell swoop.

On the other hand, it's more ... uhh ... 'dialogue' for your mods to sift through. :lol:

gilpdawg
05-23-2012, 12:38 AM
It would be in the best interests of the board as a whole to fix things there, whether it's through mods or whatever. There's some decent stuff there at times, but a lot of crap to sift through. Honestly, if I didn't have ORG access, I would probably stop posting here. There may be some really intelligent posters who would be able to contribute in the ORG who see the way the Deck is and run away. I'm sure the powers that be here will come up with something to keep RZ the great place it's always been.

Boss-Hog
05-23-2012, 06:27 AM
Thank you for the feedback. We will discuss and make a decision on how to proceed. I appreciate it.

cumberlandreds
05-23-2012, 02:27 PM
Why not allow moderators to post in the forum?

I don't see the harm in that at all. In fact I would think it would be a must to keep things on track.

cinreds21
05-23-2012, 06:03 PM
I'd volunteer. I'm probably not best qualified, but I would have fun trying to get the Sun Deck people to have riveting conversations.

Mutaman
05-26-2012, 12:39 PM
Would help raise discourse, provide an example of what SD members should be striving for, and clean up the board a bit in one fell swoop.

On the other hand, it's more ... uhh ... 'dialogue' for your mods to sift through. :lol:


You've pinpointed exactly what I need in my life- "an example of what I should be striving for". :thumbdown:

I enjoy Sundeck and and I see no need for "discourse to be raised". We've been through this all before on other forums (including ORG) where someone got their feelings hurt or didn't have the ability to ignore others or deal with them.

On the other hand, from a slight skimming of ORG, I would't say that the discourse is that high over there either.

DirtyBaker
05-26-2012, 03:58 PM
As a Sundecker, my problem with Sundeck isn't the absence of intelligence discussion; it's the abundance of over-reaction.

Case in point, Joshua and and TexasDave are some of the more cool headed, fact based posters and could easily be posting in ORG in due time. If you don't read Sundeck often, it's easy to overlook their posts in favor of the knee jerk "I hope Rolen doesn't come back" or "The Cards are Toast" threads. Usually it's just the wrong people creating the wrong threads, and usually those threads end up creating arguments.

A lot of Sundeckers probably haven't been following baseball very long, and plucking the good posters from that forum has led to its demise. I'm not for or against RZ having an elite forum and a novice forum - it's a novelty. But if the elite posters all post in ORG, it shouldn't come as a surprise that by comparison, Sundeck is going to have less quality on average, and I'm not sure how moderators are going to be able to change that.

Assembly Hall
05-26-2012, 05:38 PM
The fact of the matter is that it is an internet world. These boards are set-up to promote discussions. You can in no way have your cake and eat it too. It aint like the 3,000+ members of this site gather every Sunday and know each other on a "real name" basis. I find the site quite unique myself and is by far the best Reds board there is. You gotta take the good with the bad. For a site to succeed it takes more good than bad. From what I have seen of the site, it is a helluva lot more good than bad. Lack of moderation is the key, let guys express themselves however they want to as long as it doesnt break the rules. Just my nickel's worth.

dougdirt
05-29-2012, 01:40 PM
I still think the board was tons better when users could post in both forums. The sundeck is a shell of what it used to be and so is the ORG given that the posters are generally the same group it has been for years now with only small sprinklings of new users. I can't imagine the good users we have likely lost due to their unwillingness to deal with what goes on within the sundeck for 6 months so they could try to join the ORG.

Boss-Hog
05-29-2012, 05:21 PM
I have posted an announcement with details on applying to become a Sun Deck moderator.

jmac
05-29-2012, 05:41 PM
I dont mean this disrespectful to any "Sundeck"ers to which I am one but I no longer read it for the most part, due to... as the original poster put it.... being almost "unbearable".
I may have posted 3 or 4 times over that past 6 or 7 months in the actual Sundeck forum. Some posters are fine I am sure, but the majority of the dialogue got to be too ridiculous to read.
Some good members may have left as someone said but probably some like me, just read the ORG and post periodically in the other sections such as "The Tavern" etc.
This is still an excellent site but the qualityof discussion in the Sundeck has really took a major downward turn.

jimbo
05-29-2012, 07:07 PM
I dont mean this disrespectful to any "Sundeck"ers to which I am one but I no longer read it for the most part, due to... as the original poster put it.... being almost "unbearable".
I may have posted 3 or 4 times over that past 6 or 7 months in the actual Sundeck forum. Some posters are fine I am sure, but the majority of the dialogue got to be too ridiculous to read.
Some good members may have left as someone said but probably some like me, just read the ORG and post periodically in the other sections such as "The Tavern" etc.
This is still an excellent site but the qualityof discussion in the Sundeck hi s really took a major downward turn.

This is exactly how I feel also. I've come to accept that l'll always be a "sun Decker" simply because I just can't read the sun deck as it currently is.

I've pretty much become strictly a reader here as I find all the other forums full of quality discussion.

gilpdawg
05-29-2012, 08:19 PM
This is exactly how I feel also. I've come to accept that l'll always be a "sun Decker" simply because I just can't read the sun deck as it currently is.

I've pretty much become strictly a reader here as I find all the other forums full of quality discussion.

Post in the other sections. Then apply for access. If you are a good poster in the other sections you might well get voted in anyway.

New York Red
05-30-2012, 10:38 AM
If everyone who thinks they're too good to post in the Sundeck, would actually post in the Sundeck, maybe the quality of discussion would be better. I personally don't have a problem with the Sundeck. I don't judge other people and I'm not here to impress anyone. I'm here because I love Reds baseball and I love talking Reds baseball.

Assembly Hall
05-30-2012, 11:26 AM
If everyone who thinks they're too good to post in the Sundeck, would actually post in the Sundeck, maybe the quality of discussion would be better. I personally don't have a problem with the Sundeck. I don't judge other people and I'm not here to impress anyone. I'm here because I love Reds baseball and I love talking Reds baseball.

Very well said New York.

dougdirt
05-30-2012, 01:16 PM
If everyone who thinks they're too good to post in the Sundeck, would actually post in the Sundeck, maybe the quality of discussion would be better. I personally don't have a problem with the Sundeck. I don't judge other people and I'm not here to impress anyone. I'm here because I love Reds baseball and I love talking Reds baseball.

I am not allowed to post in the Sundeck. But, if I were a new poster looking for a message board, I wouldn't post on the Sundeck for the same reason I wouldn't post on ESPN.com, the discussion isn't often a discussion. It is a bunch of emotional reactions and blanket statements with no reasoning behind them.

New York Red
05-30-2012, 01:41 PM
It is a bunch of emotional reactions and blanket statements with no reasoning behind them.
That's an accurate description of a handful of posters on Sundeck, but not an accurate description of us as a whole. It's not fair to group us all in with a few posters who blow a gasket every time the Reds fall behind in a game.

Assembly Hall
05-30-2012, 02:57 PM
I am not allowed to post in the Sundeck. But, if I were a new poster looking for a message board, I wouldn't post on the Sundeck for the same reason I wouldn't post on ESPN.com, the discussion isn't often a discussion. It is a bunch of emotional reactions and blanket statements with no reasoning behind them.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Dont know really how to reply to that comment because I am biting my tongue. Why dont you tell us what site you recommend for us "new posters". I am sure everyone would be interested.

redsfanmia
05-30-2012, 05:25 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Dont know really how to reply to that comment because I am biting my tongue. Why dont you tell us what site you recommend for us "new posters". I am sure everyone would be interested.

Pretty sure Doug did not mean that as a slam, he was just saying there is very little intelligent discussion only the standard Stubbs sucks, I hope Rolen never comes back and Dusty is stupid threads.

I really don't post in the Sundeck that much because there is very little that I can add to the discussion that is going on, but I read the org and honestly there is very little good discussion going on there as well.

Not sure what the reason is but it seems the level of this entire board has gone down its sad IMO.

Assembly Hall
05-30-2012, 05:55 PM
Pretty sure Doug did not mean that as a slam, he was just saying there is very little intelligent discussion only the standard Stubbs sucks, I hope Rolen never comes back and Dusty is stupid threads.

I really don't post in the Sundeck that much because there is very little that I can add to the discussion that is going on, but I read the org and honestly there is very little good discussion going on there as well.

Not sure what the reason is but it seems the level of this entire board has gone down its sad IMO.

That may be.....but it was a piss poor comment to make period.

As I said earlier, it aint like 3,000 members gather every week-end to discuss the Reds in somebody's backyard. It is the internet for Peete's Sake. You are going to have idiots and you are going to have children that dont know squat. I thought this was a forum? Where as long as the rules were followed everyone was welcome. Do we have a QC manager here somewhere to check the "worthiness" of each post?

And BTW what does determine a "quality post"? I am really curious. Members venting their frustrations is just the way of the world. I seem to sense a "Holier than Thou" attitude in the masses.

I will get off my soap box right now.

dougdirt
05-30-2012, 08:31 PM
That may be.....but it was a piss poor comment to make period.
Maybe it is just me, but I expect more than some of the things I read in the Sundeck. I stand by what I said. Of course there are going to be some good posters and bad posters on any forum where there are a lot of users. But Redszone used to be better at avoiding posters who were unthoughtful and simply negative to be negative. Now, not so much.



Do we have a QC manager here somewhere to check the "worthiness" of each post?
Assuming there is a logical thought process behind it that can be backed up, it passes my test.



And BTW what does determine a "quality post"? I am really curious. Members venting their frustrations is just the way of the world. I seem to sense a "Holier than Thou" attitude in the masses.
See above for what I would suggest is a quality post. Redszone, in both forums, used to be great for quality discussion. I just don't see nearly as much of that as I used to. I think part of it is that the good posters from the Sundeck who do decide to stick around long enough head to the ORG and leave the dreck in the sundeck. That of course leaves the ORG with mostly the same guys with the same ideas and it really just feels like the same discussions over and over because there aren't that many new users joining the ranks. I also have to wonder if the Political/Religion discussions being allowed hasn't added a bit to the decline in the discussion as perhaps we take things too seriously there and let it carry over.

I don't know exactly what the reasons are, but Redszone used to have better discussion all around than it does now.

Sea Ray
05-30-2012, 09:43 PM
Pretty sure Doug did not mean that as a slam, he was just saying there is very little intelligent discussion only the standard Stubbs sucks, I hope Rolen never comes back and Dusty is stupid threads.



Actually there is plenty of that in the ORG too

dougdirt
05-30-2012, 09:52 PM
Actually there is plenty of that in the ORG too

Sad but true. I won't lie, I had had my 'WTH is Dusty thinking' threads....

Sea Ray
05-30-2012, 10:08 PM
Sad but true. I won't lie, I had had my 'WTH is Dusty thinking' threads....

I tend to tune out those threads that whine about Dusty. Truth is managers are criticized all over the place when their team is losing. It happened a few days ago in Detroit and their manager is one of the best in MLB


"Things I always get a kick out of ... you win 95 games as a manager and all of a sudden you are not going well, (then) you are a dummy. Now (fans think) you need a different manager, a different hitting coach, a different pitching coach," he said. "That is usually not the answer. We are not doing anything different than we did last year."http://www.freep.com/article/20120527/SPORTS02/205270557/Criticized-Jim-Leyland-I-respect-Tigers-fans-passion

Dusty's got a resume that tops most MLB managers. We don't have to agree with every move he makes but some of the fans disdain for him is pointless

LeDoux
05-31-2012, 02:17 AM
Actually there is plenty of that in the ORG too

I think that is the rub. While the average ORG post certainly comes with more analysis, they are often laden with various levels of condescension. I do not say this to be hostile. I enjoy reading many of the threads there. But in my opinion, the best example of civil and clean baseball discussion on this board is found in the Minor league Talk section. If at all possible, I would try to recruit some of the more active posters in the Minor League forum as Mods.

Just my two cents.

TeamSelig
06-19-2012, 09:53 PM
Doug complaining about intelligent posting....... pretty sure I remember his "ghost" stories in the Non Baseball side :lol:

dougdirt
06-20-2012, 08:23 AM
Doug complaining about intelligent posting....... pretty sure I remember his "ghost" stories in the Non Baseball side :lol:

Yeah, because only unintelligent people have ghost stories.

You know, unintelligent guys like Winston Churchill.

Larkin88
06-21-2012, 03:49 PM
Yeah, because only unintelligent people have ghost stories.

You know, unintelligent guys like Winston Churchill.

RL Stine also comes to mind.

Kidding, kidding, had to work Goosebumps in there somehow.