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texasdave
05-21-2012, 05:45 PM
The 12th horse with a chance to win racing's Triple Crown, since Affirmed accomplished that feat back in 1978, will be I'll Have Another. Here is a quick look at how the past 11 horses have fared.



- 2008: Big Brown finishes last to Da' Tara, the longest shot on the board. Big Brown fails to respond when jockey Kent Desormeaux asks for more speed in the last turn. At that point, Desormeaux eases him up.

- 2004: Smarty Jones extends his lead approaching the quarter pole and maintains a clear lead inside the furlong marker. Fights gamely into the deep stretch then yields grudgingly to finish second, a length behind Birdstone.

- 2003: Funny Cide leads to the far turn, relinquishes the lead to Empire Maker at the three-sixteenths pole, battles along the inside to the top of the stretch then weakens, finishing third, five lengths back.

- 2002: War Emblem stumbles badly out of the gate then bumps Magic Weisner at the start in an 11-horse field. Takes brief lead nearing the half-mile pole. Remains a factor to the turn but gives way, finishing eighth, 19 1/2 lengths back.

- 1999: Charismatic takes the lead briefly at the turn but Lemon Drop Kid and Vision and Verse fly by him on the outside and he finishes third, 1 1/2 lengths back.

- 1998: Four lengths ahead with an eighth-mile remaining, Real Quiet is nipped by a nose at the wire by Victory Gallop in a nine-horse field.

- 1997: Silver Charm fails to hold off Touch Gold in the final eighth-mile and finishes second, three-quarters of a length back, in a seven-horse field.

- 1989: Sunday Silence can't match Easy Goer in the final quarter-mile and finishes second, eight lengths back in a 10-horse field.

- 1987: Checked sharply on the final turn, Alysheba finishes fourth, 14 lengths behind winner Bet Twice in a 10-horse field.

- 1981: Pleasant Colony, never better than third, finishes a little more than 1 1/2 lengths behind Summing, with Highland Blade second in an 11-horse field.

- 1979: The 1-5 favorite, Spectacular Bid leads with a quarter-mile left, but weakens to finish third in an eight-horse field, 3 1/4 lengths behind Coastal and another head behind Golden Act.


No idea if I'll Have Another has what it takes. But sooner or later some horse is gonna break the streak.

I will never forget the Affirmed-Alydar Triple Crown rivalry. Those two horse were as evenly matched as it gets. That Belmont run was particularly exciting. Affirmed was about two lengths better over those three races combined. I was a young, beer-drinking fool who had a lot of money riding on Affirmed in the Belmont. A horse's nose can be a beautiful thing.


The great-great grandson of Triple Crown winner War Admiral, Affirmed battled with Alydar in all three races, beating his rival by 1 1/2 lengths in the Derby, a neck in the Preakness, and a nose in the Belmont.

dabvu2498
05-21-2012, 10:41 PM
I don't love his chances due to some quality horses sitting out the Preakness. They'll be fresh and ready.

That said, he seems to have very good late speed that will pay off over the 1.5 miles. And the horse and jockey seem to be a near perfect combo. The horse has speed when Gurierrez asks for it. They're definitely an impressive team.

bucksfan2
05-22-2012, 08:19 AM
I remember watching the Triple Crown in the early 2000's when for 3 straight years there was a horse that had a chance to win it. It seemed like it was going to happen sooner or later, but hasn't yet. I do remember the hoopla around Big Brown and how great he was only to fail to win the Belmont.

I don't really care a whole lot for horse racing. I watch the triple crown races if a horse has a shot to win them all. Once they do I don't care again until the Kentucky Derby. It would be cool for the sport to see it happen.

On a related note, "I'll Have Another" doesn't sound like a triple crown winning horse.

cumberlandreds
05-22-2012, 08:49 AM
The first two races seemed a lot like the Affirmed/Alaydar races. Both tight races with the favorite coming up just short. I hope I'll Have Another can win the Belmont but considering how others have fared in the last quarter century or so something will probably happen to keep him out of the winners circle.

Stray
06-08-2012, 11:41 AM
I'll Have Another is officially out of the Belmont. No Triple Crown this year.

They said there's a problem in his front left leg, maybe the start of tendinitis. He may never race again...sad.

His trainer just announced it on the Dan Patrick show.

Reds Fanatic
06-08-2012, 11:42 AM
Unfortunately I'll Have Another's Triple Crown chance is over as the horse had to be withdrawn today due to a leg injury.

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/triplecrown2012/story/_/id/8025449/another-race-belmont-trainer-says

cumberlandreds
06-08-2012, 11:49 AM
Well, I'll take that off the DVR tonight. I have no interest in that race whatsoever now.

WMR
06-08-2012, 12:00 PM
Awful news for the horse racing industry.

texasdave
06-08-2012, 12:01 PM
The first two races seemed a lot like the Affirmed/Alaydar races. Both tight races with the favorite coming up just short. I hope I'll Have Another can win the Belmont but considering how others have fared in the last quarter century or so something will probably happen to keep him out of the winners circle.

Good call.

cumberlandreds
06-08-2012, 12:59 PM
Good call.

Unfortunately I was correct. I am really doubting there will be another Triple Crown winner. While driving to the subway station this morning, ESPN radio said that English racing hasn't had a Triple Crown winner since 1970. So they have had an even longer drought than the US.

Sea Ray
06-08-2012, 01:16 PM
I don't love his chances due to some quality horses sitting out the Preakness.

You got that right. Hope you didn't throw away those terot cards

BuckeyeRed27
06-08-2012, 01:20 PM
Unfortunately I was correct. I am really doubting there will be another Triple Crown winner. While driving to the subway station this morning, ESPN radio said that English racing hasn't had a Triple Crown winner since 1970. So they have had an even longer drought than the US.

Has something changed that is making it harder for the Triple Crown to happen? Shorter shedule or a big change to races themselves?

Puffy
06-08-2012, 01:56 PM
Well, I'll take that off the DVR tonight. I have no interest in that race whatsoever now.

Throw some money on the race. All of a sudden it gets interesting!!!!

:lol:

cumberlandreds
06-08-2012, 02:01 PM
Has something changed that is making it harder for the Triple Crown to happen? Shorter shedule or a big change to races themselves?

IIRC, I read a few years back that these horses were bred more for pure speed. Which makes for more spindly(sp?) legs that leads to more injury and less endurance for longer races like the Belmont. That's been a few years ago and I may not be remembering it exactly.

Mutaman
06-08-2012, 05:42 PM
Has something changed that is making it harder for the Triple Crown to happen? Shorter shedule or a big change to races themselves?

1. Breeding- horses are now bred for speed rather than endurance. There are big purses available for two year olds so breeders put more emphasis on breeding horses that can win shorter 2 year old races as opposed to the classic distances of the triple crown. Ironically I'll have Another was bred to run a distance.

2. Drugs- almost all horses run on lasix which is a legal anti-bleeding medication. It became legal back in the 80s. It is possible that in the long run lasix and other medications hurt the breed and make for a less sound race horse.

3. Winning a triple crown requires a big time effort and a big time race horse. Horses like Seattle Slew and Affirmed don't come around every year (or even every decade). Its like the base ball triple crown Do you remember when we last had one of those?

Answer- Yastremski 1967. That was a long time ago.

dabvu2498
06-08-2012, 10:09 PM
Throw some money on the race. All of a sudden it gets interesting!!!!


Yeah. This now turns into an interesting race to bet.

Union Rags. Book it.

dabvu2498
06-09-2012, 06:45 PM
Yeah. This now turns into an interesting race to bet.

Union Rags. Book it.

Blam!

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 06:48 PM
Blam!

Go cash that ticket!

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 07:06 PM
I almost booked your bet because I didn't think UR had the breeding for this race. I guess the key was his big race over the track last year.

dabvu2498
06-09-2012, 07:22 PM
I almost booked your bet because I didn't think UR had the breeding for this race. I guess the key was his big race over the track last year.

That and the general weakness of the field.

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 07:33 PM
I thought it was a decent field. Dullahan was third in the Derby but I guess that wo cooked his goose. Paynter is obviously a really nice horse. I think Union Rags just ran a big race.

I've been impressed with the quality of this years 3 year olds. Dead wrong in all three races, but impressed.

dabvu2498
06-09-2012, 07:37 PM
I thought it was a decent field. Dullahan was third in the Derby but I guess that wo cooked his goose. Paynter is obviously a really nice horse. I think Union Rags just ran a big race.

I've been impressed with the quality of this years 3 year olds. Dead wrong in all three races, but impressed.

I would agree that it was a nice overall crop of horses. But with the exception of the Derby, we didn't see them all in the same place.

There were really only 3 horses that had any business winning that race today.

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 07:55 PM
There were really only 3 horses that had any business winning that race today.

You're right. So how come I didn't really nail that $30.00 exacta?

dabvu2498
06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
You're right. So how come I didn't really nail that $30.00 exacta?


I can not tell a lie... I had that too.

Would have missed on the trifecta though.

redhawkfish
06-09-2012, 10:09 PM
I just returned from a northern Ontario fishing trip today(almost completely paid for by IHA in the Derby), and didn't know about the scratch of IHA until hearing it on the radio on the way home today.

It still was a good race, but was not impressed with Mike Smith's ride on Paynter. Final times always make me awestruck of how fast Secretariat was in his Belmont. It was 6 seconds faster than Union Rags today.:eek:

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 10:15 PM
I can not tell a lie... I had that too.

Would have missed on the trifecta though.

Great bet! If you thought only 3 horses had a shot and then hit the exacta, you did a good job of handicapping and fashioning your bet. (two different things). Looking back, it looks so easy.

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 10:21 PM
I just returned from a northern Ontario fishing trip today(almost completely paid for by IHA in the Derby), and didn't know about the scratch of IHA until hearing it on the radio on the way home today.

It still was a good race, but was not impressed with Mike Smith's ride on Paynter. Final times always make me awestruck of how fast Secretariat was in his Belmont. It was 6 seconds faster than Union Rags today.:eek:

Smith hit Paynter left handed and he moved to his right opening up the rail. Jerry Bailey said sometimes you hit the horse left handed at that spot because its unexpected and it may cause the horse to dig a little deeper.
I met Mike Smith once and he is a super nice guy. And he sure wins a lot of big races. Tough Triple crown though for him and Baffert.

redhawkfish
06-09-2012, 10:33 PM
Smith hit Paynter left handed and he moved to his right opening up the rail. Jerry Bailey said sometimes you hit the horse left handed at that spot because its unexpected and it may cause the horse to dig a little deeper.
I met Mike Smith once and he is a super nice guy. And he sure wins a lot of big races. Tough Triple crown though for him and Baffert.

Yeah! He is an outstanding jockey!I was at the last two Breeder's cups and saw two different results from his rides. Zenyatta's last race and loss to Blame and Drosselmeyers improbable classic victory this past year.

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 10:35 PM
Final times always make me awestruck of how fast Secretariat was in his Belmont. It was 6 seconds faster than Union Rags today.:eek:

Think about this:

1. Secretariat still holds the record for the Derby.

2. He would still hold the record for the Preakness but for the fact that the track timer malfunctioned.

3. He still holds the Belmont Park Record for 1 1/2 miles on the grass.

4. He still holds the Belmont Park Record for 1 1/8 miles on the dirt.

dabvu2498
06-09-2012, 10:38 PM
Smith hit Paynter left handed and he moved to his right opening up the rail. Jerry Bailey said sometimes you hit the horse left handed at that spot because its unexpected and it may cause the horse to dig a little deeper.
I met Mike Smith once and he is a super nice guy. And he sure wins a lot of big races. Tough Triple crown though for him and Baffert.

I hardly ever feel sorry for Baffert. But these three have caused me to make an exception.

Mutaman
06-09-2012, 10:44 PM
I hardly ever feel sorry for Baffert. But these three have caused me to make an exception.

I saw Baffert in the barn area right after Real Quiet lost the Triple Crown by a nose. I was very impressed with the class he showed that day. I guess there wasn't much else he could do.
Gary Stevens really criticised Desormeaux's ride on TV today, but if Baffert was unhappy with it, he kept it to himself.

IslandRed
06-10-2012, 07:11 PM
Think about this:

1. Secretariat still holds the record for the Derby.

2. He would still hold the record for the Preakness but for the fact that the track timer malfunctioned.

3. He still holds the Belmont Park Record for 1 1/2 miles on the grass.

4. He still holds the Belmont Park Record for 1 1/8 miles on the dirt.

Slight correction -- it's 1 1/2 miles on dirt (i.e. his Belmont Stakes performance), and that 2:24 is still the world record for that distance on dirt. Considering the Belmont Stakes is just about the only 1 1/2 mile dirt race left in the world -- pretty much everything else at that distance is on turf -- it may stand forever.

Mutaman
06-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Slight correction -- it's 1 1/2 miles on dirt (i.e. his Belmont Stakes performance), and that 2:24 is still the world record for that distance on dirt. Considering the Belmont Stakes is just about the only 1 1/2 mile dirt race left in the world -- pretty much everything else at that distance is on turf -- it may stand forever.

Actually I was wrong, but not for the reason you think. Secretariat ran 2:24 4/5 on the grass in the Man O' War setting the 1 1/2 grass record that stood at Belmont for many years, and according to Wikepedia is still the track record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretariat_(horse)#After_the_Triple_Crown

However I see that in 2001 a horse called Fantastic Light ran the distance on the grass in 2:24.36. So after 40 years Secretariat only holds 2 track records at Belmont, not 3. :)

Outrider
06-13-2012, 07:38 AM
I'm happy I'll Have Another didn't have to be put down. Now he gets his dream job, being a stud!