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11larkin11
05-24-2012, 11:51 PM
No, this isn't about Javy coming back.

I think most of us know that the 25th man on the team right now is only here because they're left handed (Harris, Costanzo). Until Rolen gets back (or even after, although it'd be hard to see who they'd get rid of), what about bringing up Navarro as your 25th man. He can be your lefty off the bench (actually a switch hitter) and what actually makes him useful is it opens up Hanigan or Mesoraco to PH on their days off.

powersackers
05-24-2012, 11:56 PM
No, this isn't about Javy coming back.

I think most of us know that the 25th man on the team right now is only here because they're left handed (Harris, Costanzo). Until Rolen gets back (or even after, although it'd be hard to see who they'd get rid of), what about bringing up Navarro as your 25th man. He can be your lefty off the bench (actually a switch hitter) and what actually makes him useful is it opens up Hanigan or Mesoraco to PH on their days off.

I wouldn't mess with chemistry. But not a bad idea. Many reports indicated Navarro isn't much a team player or hard worker in the past.

Orenda
05-25-2012, 12:08 AM
Did Jerry Narron just intentionally walk Albert Pujols and put the winning run on 3rd with 1 out? Flashbacks

VottoFan54
05-25-2012, 01:15 AM
Serious question...Why can't your backup catcher PH? I have always heard it as a general rule, but I don't understand why.

Big Klu
05-25-2012, 01:31 AM
Serious question...Why can't your backup catcher PH? I have always heard it as a general rule, but I don't understand why.

He can, but most managers are reluctant to use their backup catcher as a pinch-hitter because if the regular catcher then gets injured later in the game, then there is no catcher on the bench. Clubs that carry three catchers don't have that concern--Javier Valentin was one of the Reds' top pinch-hitters 4-6 years ago. However, it is difficult and cumbersome with today's 12-man pitching staffs (and five-man benches) to carry two backup catchers, especially if they can't play any other positions well.

reds44
05-25-2012, 03:04 AM
No, this isn't about Javy coming back.

I think most of us know that the 25th man on the team right now is only here because they're left handed (Harris, Costanzo). Until Rolen gets back (or even after, although it'd be hard to see who they'd get rid of), what about bringing up Navarro as your 25th man. He can be your lefty off the bench (actually a switch hitter) and what actually makes him useful is it opens up Hanigan or Mesoraco to PH on their days off.
The only problem with that is he's out of options. So once you call him up, he has to stay up unless you want to risk losing him again.

mth123
05-25-2012, 03:27 AM
I'd do it and put Mes in LF twice each week. Mesoraco and Hanigan are two of the team's top 5 or 6 players, get 'em both in the line-up more often. I'd deal Ludwick to the Red Sox to make room (for Salary relief and maybe as a down payment on a future deal for Youk) and keep Costanzo around until another LH bat can be found.

camisadelgolf
05-25-2012, 04:00 AM
The first thought that came to mind was Wilkin Castillo, but after seeing his stat line, I think it's best to pass for now.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=castil001wil

RedlegJake
05-25-2012, 02:49 PM
After chewing on this I think its an out of the box good idea. Put Devin in Left from time to time gradually getting him used to it, PH him, use Dioner as backup catcher and maybe be able to get Devin's bat in the lineup most of the time as well as having Ryan available to PH when he's not catching. As to Dioner's attitudonal problems, getting cut and losing your "star" can change a young man's attitude a lot! I would listen to what Bell has to say about him and not what was said in the past.

Team Clark
05-25-2012, 03:27 PM
If you thought Alonso was an adventure in LF, throw Mesoraco out there and enjoy the show.

PuffyPig
05-25-2012, 05:00 PM
I prefer not to go to Mes and say "we have decided you should play LF once in awhile" until he has, you know, actually learned to play the position first.

mth123
05-25-2012, 05:30 PM
I prefer not to go to Mes and say "we have decided you should play LF once in awhile" until he has, you know, actually learned to play the position first.

We're talking about LF. These guys have been fielding fly balls their entire lives. He'll catch the easy ones and there aren't enough others to be a huge problem. The rest of the defense is pretty awesome and I'd doubt that having a poor LF would snowball on them that way it did when Dunn played and EdE, Griffey, Keppinger and the rest of the butchers compounded the problem. The team should get its 3rd best bat in the line-up as much as possible. 3 PAs and then out for a defensive replacement.

Yogi Berra payed 10 games in the OF in the minor leagues before the Yankees put him there to get their best guys out there as a rookie. Gary Carter never played a game in the OF as a minor leaguer, but payed 92 out there as a rookie so the team could have its best player out there.

I just think Mes and Hanigan are both far superior baseball players to guys like Stubbs, Heisey and Ludwick. I'd get them in the line-up as much as possible. If he's so horrid, they can just stop. Right now, they really don't have good options. The best players should play. Mes and Hanigan are two of the 5 best position players on the roster.

RedlegJake
05-25-2012, 06:23 PM
I agree with mth. You let Mes try and if he's really horrible you don't continue. I am willing to bet he's athletic enough and has shagged flies enough to be able to play LF as well or better than Dunn right now and improve as he plays. Plus his bat is in the lineup regularly. Add to that you can let Hanigan play catcher a bit more this year and keep his OBP in the lineup which, even with his lack of power, the Reds are so deficient in that he's a big asset in the lineup. Navarro would be a more than adequate backup and if the experiment works out you might be able to dangle either Heisey or Ludwick as part of deal (with a pitcher(s) and/or prospects(s)) maybe for a temporary solution at third like Youk.

RedlegJake
05-25-2012, 06:24 PM
dp, sorry.

757690
05-25-2012, 07:23 PM
The Reds won the division with Jonny Gomes in LF. Can't see the harm in letting Mes play there a few games. At the very least, it will give him some regular AB's. Very interesting idea mth123.

mth123
05-25-2012, 07:51 PM
The Reds won the division with Jonny Gomes in LF. Can't see the harm in letting Mes play there a few games. At the very least, it will give him some regular AB's. Very interesting idea mth123.

5 man rotation. Twice through is 10 games.

Hanigan would Catch 6 out of 10

Mesoraco would Catch 4 out of 10 and play LF 4 out of 10. That would be less than 50 games in the OF from here on out. Hardly going to wreck his development and wouldn't accumulate so much poor defense that it would wear out the staff, but the best RH bat on the roster would be in there 80% of the time.

Heisey would play LF 6 out of 10 and CF 2 out of 10.

Stubbs plays 8 of 10 in CF and gets some days off against tough RH who eat him up.

Heisey gets an extra game here and there when Bruce needs a day off.

They could vary some based on park size and such, but getting the best players on the field more and getting Stubbs out of there a bit against RHP would improve this team IMO.

Big Klu
05-25-2012, 08:33 PM
I'm not convinced that Mesoraco is the best RH hitter on the roster.

VR
05-25-2012, 10:18 PM
Unless they can't find a stick for the bench....I'm all for it. I hate the fact that Hanny or Mes aren't even in the mix in late innings.

Bob Borkowski
05-25-2012, 10:37 PM
Brantley suggested the 3rd catcher move just a little while ago on the Reds radio broadcast. Methinks he reads RedsZone.