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Degenerate39
05-27-2012, 03:17 PM
With the Reds having a few guys who could be in the running for this do you think Harper wins it because of his name and hype regardless of stats?

BearcatShane
05-27-2012, 04:58 PM
I think Harper will win because of the stats he'll put up.

Vottomatic
05-27-2012, 05:04 PM
Edited post. Please delete any posts quoting it. Thanks.

BearcatShane
05-27-2012, 05:08 PM
I think Harper will win it because he's an arrogant jerk, and the media loves those guys.

As he should be. The kid in ninteen years old in the big leagues. Quite frankly, if he was a humble taking it in stride type of kid I would be disappointed in him.

Vottomatic
05-27-2012, 05:11 PM
As he should be. The kid in ninteen years old in the big leagues. Quite frankly, if he was a humble taking it in stride type of kid I would be disappointed in him.

Edited post. Please delete anything quoting my post. I apologize for causing a stir.

RedlegJake
05-27-2012, 05:21 PM
Give it time. The game will humble him. It always does.

Tom Servo
05-27-2012, 05:50 PM
Mez probably won't get nearly as many at-bats as Harper so I would imagine Harper would put up better numbers, and Cozart would probably only be ROTY in a year featuring no other notable rookies.

Harper has to be the early favorite, but should Julio Teheran or Trevor Bauer get called up and dominate, it could be there's for the taking.

dougdirt
05-27-2012, 06:21 PM
I'm hoping Chapman drills him with a 106 mph fastball. I can't stand Harper.

Why would you hope something like that happens? Because you perceive him as a jerk? If someone thinks I am a jerk, and I am sure there are plenty who do, should Chapman drill me with a 106 MPH fastball?

dougdirt
05-27-2012, 06:21 PM
I think Harper will win because of the stats he'll put up.

Agreed with this.

Vottomatic
05-27-2012, 06:23 PM
Why would you hope something like that happens? Because you perceive him as a jerk? If someone thinks I am a jerk, and I am sure there are plenty who do, should Chapman drill me with a 106 MPH fastball?

Edited.

Roy Tucker
05-27-2012, 06:23 PM
I'm hoping Chapman drills him with a 106 mph fastball. I can't stand Harper.

Do we really need these kinds of comments? I mean really?

dougdirt
05-27-2012, 06:25 PM
Did I say hurt him permanently? No.

I'm with Cole Hamels on this.

I grew up in an "act like you been there" family. I despise arrogance.

Where has he not 'acted like he has been there'? The dude runs full out on everything he hits. He doesn't hit a jack and stand there and stare at it for 10 seconds.

You know who is arrogant? Every great player. All of them. Forever. Always have been.

George Anderson
05-27-2012, 07:01 PM
If Harper played in Cincy he would be loved and heralded as the next Pete.

He is 19 years old. He will grow out of it.

OnBaseMachine
05-27-2012, 07:17 PM
I've yet to see any arrogance out of Harper at the MLB level. I love watching him play.

cincrazy
05-27-2012, 07:25 PM
I love Harper. The guy is full-go, every minute of every game. Pujols is arrogant. Bonds was arrogant. Jose Canseco was arrogant. Bryce Harper plays as if the game owes him nothing. It's not his fault he's been overhyped and is a media darling. He's a great talent, and I hope he owns D.C. for the next 10 years.

BearcatShane
05-27-2012, 07:48 PM
I do like Bryce. I actually have heard some things about him that kinda made me think he is kind of a "jerk" but these things are from even before he was eighteen and almost all of us had a lot of growing up to do at that age. I like the way he plays, he doesn't ask for the attention and I truly hope he has an outstanding career.

mth123
05-27-2012, 08:03 PM
Why would you hope something like that happens? Because you perceive him as a jerk? If someone thinks I am a jerk, and I am sure there are plenty who do, should Chapman drill me with a 106 MPH fastball?

Nah! For you, we were thinking more like the 93 MHP vehicle he was driving.;)

757690
05-27-2012, 08:48 PM
I do like Bryce. I actually have heard some things about him that kinda made me think he is kind of a "jerk" but these things are from even before he was eighteen and almost all of us had a lot of growing up to do at that age. I like the way he plays, he doesn't ask for the attention and I truly hope he has an outstanding career.

No doubt Harper was reported to have acted like a jerk up until his call up to the majors. However, he's muted his arrogance and ego significantly since then. Hard to find fault with the way he's acted so far.

Degenerate39
05-27-2012, 08:51 PM
If Frazier considered a rookie any more?

klw
05-27-2012, 09:01 PM
I believe he still has his rookie status so at this point the leader may be;

Wade Miley- Arizona he is 6-1 with a era of 2.31.

For the Reds, it could be argued that Hoover has been the best Rookie so far.

4 NL Rookie have enough PA's to qualify in the batting ave race.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/rookie/league/nl/sort/OPS/order/true

And 3 in the ERA race
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/position/rookie/league/nl/order/false

MikeThierry
05-29-2012, 02:32 PM
If Yonder Alonso keeps up doing what he's doing, I think he will probably get it in the end.

Unfortunatelly, Lance Lynn doesn't qualify for this award because he technically isn't a rookie.

cumberlandreds
05-29-2012, 03:55 PM
I've yet to see any arrogance out of Harper at the MLB level. I love watching him play.

Me either. Yes he did some jerk things in the minors but that's in the past and time to forget about it. He's been great in the majors. I like to watch him play. He goes all out all the time. If you can't like that then you can't like much about anything.

bucksfan2
05-29-2012, 04:17 PM
Me either. Yes he did some jerk things in the minors but that's in the past and time to forget about it. He's been great in the majors. I like to watch him play. He goes all out all the time. If you can't like that then you can't like much about anything.

Im far from a scout but Harper's swing would really concern me as a Nats fan. It kinda reminds me of Heyward's and I wonder if he will have the same type of path as Heyward. Its almost as if his wrists aren't fully cocked before the pitch is delieverd. I wonder what adjustments he will make once the pitchers begin to find his weakness.

camisadelgolf
05-29-2012, 04:26 PM
I like Heyward's swing because it reminds me of Fred McGriff's. The Braves would probably be happy with 493 career home runs out of Heyward, and I think the Nats would be happy with that many home runs out of Harper.

RedsManRick
05-29-2012, 04:28 PM
I think it'll be Harper running away.

RedlegJake
05-29-2012, 05:29 PM
I think Harper will win in a landslide unless he just falls flat and I don't see that happening the way he's started out.

MikeThierry
05-29-2012, 05:33 PM
You don't think Alonso has a chance?

RedlegJake
05-29-2012, 05:43 PM
Not really. I think he'd have to be simply unbelievable to overcome the hype vote that Harper's going to get.

dougdirt
05-29-2012, 05:51 PM
You don't think Alonso has a chance?

I really like me some Yonder Alonso and I think if he were playing just about anywhere but Petco, he would be in it, but he has 1 home run and it is the end of May. You aren't going to win the ROY as a first baseman with that kind of power, even if you are on pace for 50+ doubles.

camisadelgolf
05-29-2012, 07:03 PM
I really like me some Yonder Alonso and I think if he were playing just about anywhere but Petco, he would be in it, but he has 1 home run and it is the end of May. You aren't going to win the ROY as a first baseman with that kind of power, even if you are on pace for 50+ doubles.
There have been a couple first basemen to win the award with less than 10 home runs (Chris Chambliss and Mike Hargrove come to mind), but if Bryce Harper keeps up his pace, no one else in the NL stands a chance. What's killing Alonso isn't his lack of homers so much as his lack of runs and RBIs. Then again, if Albie Pearson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pearsal02.shtml) can win Rookie of the Year, maybe any rookie can.

klw
05-30-2012, 11:36 AM
Here is a list of the top NL rookies in HR's. A lot of Reds near the top of the list.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/rookie/league/nl/sort/homeRuns/order/true


Sortable Batting

RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
1 Wilin Rosario COL 83 12 19 6 0 7 17 0 2 4 27 .229 .267 .554 .821
2 Todd Frazier CIN 79 9 22 6 3 5 13 0 1 5 24 .278 .329 .620 .950
Zack Cozart CIN 187 24 44 12 2 5 12 1 0 11 44 .235 .281 .401 .682
4 Bryce Harper WSH 109 21 31 6 4 4 11 2 2 14 21 .284 .368 .523 .891
5 Freddy Galvis PHI 169 11 39 13 1 3 23 0 0 6 26 .231 .257 .373 .630
Devin Mesoraco CIN 67 9 14 2 0 3 8 0 1 10 13 .209 .316 .373 .690
Brett Pill SF 68 7 14 3 0 3 9 0 0 4 14 .206 .270 .382 .653
Matt Carpenter STL 104 16 30 9 3 3 20 0 0 10 25 .288 .356 .519 .875
9 Vinny Rottino NYM 17 5 4 0 0 2 3 1 0 1 5 .235 .278 .588 .866
K Nieuwenhuis NYM 159 25 46 7 1 2 15 3 1 17 54 .289 .358 .384 .741

RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
Hector Sanchez SF 74 8 21 4 0 2 17 0 0 1 16 .284 .286 .419 .705
12 Justin Sellers LAD 44 6 9 3 1 1 2 0 0 5 14 .205 .286 .386 .672
Erik Kratz PHI 4 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 2 .250 .250 1.000 1.250
W. Castillo CHC 27 2 5 2 0 1 4 0 0 2 7 .185 .241 .370 .612
Yonder Alonso SD 175 12 50 16 0 1 14 1 0 21 35 .286 .364 .394 .758
Marwin Gonzalez HOU 62 10 15 3 0 1 2 0 0 3 10 .242 .277 .339 .616
Andy Parrino SD 91 7 16 4 0 1 3 1 0 11 29 .176 .279 .253 .532
Shane Robinson STL 71 7 18 3 0 1 6 1 0 4 15 .254 .293 .338 .631
James Darnell SD 17 1 4 1 0 1 1 0 0 2 2 .235 .316 .471 .786
Jordan Pacheco COL 83 10 24 5 2 1 9 0 0 2 8 .289 .302 .434 .736
RK

fisch11
05-30-2012, 11:47 AM
Harper will garner the attention. Will need some stats to back it up. Likewise, it will take some overpowering numbers from someone else to cover up the hype.

dougdirt
05-30-2012, 12:27 PM
Harper will garner the attention. Will need some stats to back it up. Likewise, it will take some overpowering numbers from someone else to cover up the hype.

Of course, Harper is clearly the best rookie hitter so far this year and I don't think it is particularly close. He is hitting for average, drawing plenty of walks and hitting for power. His plate discipline is outstanding (much less considering what it is for his age), so he is likely to continue doing what he is doing if we can assume he keeps his peripherals the same.

Todd Frazier has been outstanding in terms of his slash line, but he also has a 4-1 K-BB rate, suggesting there will be plenty of correction coming it's way unless he fixes that. And outside of Todd Frazier, no other hitter is even in the same stratosphere as Harper right now from the rookie class in overall production.