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Benihana
06-04-2012, 10:16 AM
The day is finally here...

My updated big board for tonight, assuming that Appel, Buxton, Correa, Zunino, Gausman, Almora and Zimmer are all off the board...

FIRST ROUND (#14)

1. Lucas Giolito RHP HS
2. Max Fried LHP HS
3. Courtney Hawkins OF HS
4. Richie Shaffer 3B Clemson
5. Drew Heaney LHP Oklahoma St
6. Chris Stratton RHP Mississippi St

SANDWICH ROUND (#49 and #56)

1. Victor Roache OF Georgia Southern
2. Joey Gallo 3B HS
3. Matt Smoral LHP HS
4. Addison Rusell SS HS
5. Barrett Barnes OF Texas
6. Corey Seager 3B HS
7. Lucas Sims RHP HS
8. Tanner Rahier 3B HS
9. Ty Hensley RHP HS
10. Hunter Virant LHP HS
(tie) Pierce Johnson RHP Missouri State

Let the games begin!

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 10:32 AM
Beni, I think there's a good chance all your choices for the sandwich round are gone by pick 49, unfortunately. I like Virant and Hensley for the sandwich round, too, but I doubt they're there.

My personal favorite is still Corey Seager. Love that kid's swing, baseball athleticism and upside.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 10:37 AM
Beni, I think there's a good chance all your choices for the sandwich round are gone by pick 49, unfortunately. I like Virant and Hensley for the sandwich round, too, but I doubt they're there.

My personal favorite is still Corey Seager. Love that kid's swing, baseball athleticism and upside.

I agree that many of them will be gone, but I will be surprised if at least 1 or 2 of them are not still on the board- at least at 49. I like to aim high in these things and catch the falling star, rather than get locked in on 1 or 2 guys and potentially overdraft. No one thought that Norris would be there when we picked last year (although we know how that played out...)

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 11:08 AM
I agree that many of them will be gone, but I will be surprised if at least 1 or 2 of them are not still on the board- at least at 49. I like to aim high in these things and catch the falling star, rather than get locked in on 1 or 2 guys and potentially overdraft. No one thought that Norris would be there when we picked last year (although we know how that played out...)

I think you're probably right. One or two will drop. In that regard, Giolito is going to provide the drama early on. Is BA doing another mock, do you know?

kg112686
06-04-2012, 12:59 PM
a guy i kinda like for the sandwich/second round is Jacksonville University OF/1st Adam Brett Walker. 6'5 222 lbs. and compared to Giancarlo Stanton in terms of body type and power. Lots of places are says 80 power on the 20-80 scale. Father was an NFL running back (no not Hershel) and mother was a national champion high jumper in college and also played volleyball.

I think he is worth a shot based on the Stanton comparison alone.

Superdude
06-04-2012, 02:02 PM
a guy i kinda like for the sandwich/second round is Jacksonville University OF/1st Adam Brett Walker. 6'5 222 lbs. and compared to Giancarlo Stanton in terms of body type and power. Lots of places are says 80 power on the 20-80 scale. Father was an NFL running back (no not Hershel) and mother was a national champion high jumper in college and also played volleyball.

I think he is worth a shot based on the Stanton comparison alone.

He caught my eye too. He sounds like a project, but talk about a potential impact bat. Stupid physical tools

Boro_BG_Red
06-04-2012, 02:14 PM
John Fay tweeted that Baseball America expects us to either take high school outfielder Courtney Hawkins or Oklahoma State Lefty pitcher Andrew Heaney if available.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 02:16 PM
a guy i kinda like for the sandwich/second round is Jacksonville University OF/1st Adam Brett Walker. 6'5 222 lbs. and compared to Giancarlo Stanton in terms of body type and power. Lots of places are says 80 power on the 20-80 scale. Father was an NFL running back (no not Hershel) and mother was a national champion high jumper in college and also played volleyball.

I think he is worth a shot based on the Stanton comparison alone.

So he can run through a catcher at a play at the plate and then later jump very high to steal a home run from someone? You have to like that.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 02:19 PM
So what is scheduled for tonight? First round and the sandwich round? Or more?

indy_dave00
06-04-2012, 02:21 PM
Draft will be 1st round and sandwich round only today.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2012, 02:22 PM
The day is finally here...

My updated big board for tonight, assuming that Appel, Buxton, Correa, Zunino, Gausman, Almora and Zimmer are all off the board...

FIRST ROUND (#14)

1. Lucas Giolito RHP HS
2. Max Fried LHP HS
3. Courtney Hawkins OF HS
4. Richie Shaffer 3B Clemson
5. Drew Heaney LHP Oklahoma St
6. Chris Stratton RHP Mississippi St

SANDWICH ROUND (#49 and #56)

1. Victor Roache OF Georgia Southern
2. Joey Gallo 3B HS
3. Matt Smoral LHP HS
4. Addison Rusell SS HS
5. Barrett Barnes OF Texas
6. Corey Seager 3B HS
7. Lucas Sims RHP HS
8. Tanner Rahier 3B HS
9. Ty Hensley RHP HS
10. Hunter Virant LHP HS
(tie) Pierce Johnson RHP Missouri State

Let the games begin!

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see any chance that Hawkins or Fried are on the board by the time the Reds pick. Every mock draft I have seen has them taken before the Reds even pick. Most have Shaffer taken before the Reds pick too, but he seems to be a bit closer to where the Reds pick in many mocks.

Giolito is fascinating though because almost every mock draft I've seen have him picked right after the Reds. So I think the Reds have a very realistic chance of picking him up if they want him. Are the Reds truly interested and will they take the risk? I hope they do.

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 02:24 PM
John Fay tweeted that Baseball America expects us to either take high school outfielder Courtney Hawkins or Oklahoma State Lefty pitcher Andrew Heaney if available.

BA also speculating that the Reds will take Marrero if Hawkins and Heaney aren't there. Not sure I believe the chatter at this point....

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2012, 02:24 PM
Also, Jonathan Mayo has the Reds taking Stephen Piscotty.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120531&content_id=32543884&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Interestingly, he doesn't have Giolito going in the 1st round at all.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 02:27 PM
a guy i kinda like for the sandwich/second round is Jacksonville University OF/1st Adam Brett Walker. 6'5 222 lbs. and compared to Giancarlo Stanton in terms of body type and power. Lots of places are says 80 power on the 20-80 scale. Father was an NFL running back (no not Hershel) and mother was a national champion high jumper in college and also played volleyball.

I think he is worth a shot based on the Stanton comparison alone.

I am also intrigued by Walker. The biggest question for me with him is whether he can play the OF defensively, or is merely a 1B/DH type. Obviously he has very little value to the Reds if the latter.

If he can play the OF, he would be a good name to consider in the second or third round.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 02:35 PM
BA also speculating that the Reds will take Marrero if Hawkins and Heaney aren't there. Not sure I believe the chatter at this point....

I really hope this isn't true (about Marrero). They said it so definitively too...

I'd MUCH rather take a chance on Giolito, and worst case have the #15 pick in next year's draft if he's too unhealthy to justify his high asking price. Or at least go after one of the bats that could play somewhere other than one position on the field. We don't need to use our first round pick on another DiDi Gregorius, especially with Cozart looking like he could be in Cincy for a while.

I'd be very happy with Hawkins and content with Heaney.

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 02:39 PM
The Reds, just today, have been linked to 6 different players. It will be wide open.

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 02:52 PM
The Reds, just today, have been linked to 6 different players. It will be wide open.

That's my thought too. I don't remember them being linked to Leake, Grandal or Stephenson. There was some talk about Alonso, if I recall correctly.

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 03:03 PM
That's my thought too. I don't remember them being linked to Leake, Grandal or Stephenson. There was some talk about Alonso, if I recall correctly.

Callis had us taking Stephenson. We were also linked with Alonso, Stubbs and Mesoraco by a few places.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 03:05 PM
That's my thought too. I don't remember them being linked to Leake, Grandal or Stephenson. There was some talk about Alonso, if I recall correctly.
Good points.

There was some late chatter about Grandal and Stephenson IIRC. I specifically remember on the draft telecast last year strong speculation that the Reds would either pick Daniel Norris or Stephenson, especially after those two slid out of the top 20.

Grandal IIRC was pegged to the Royals (at #4) right up until draft day, but that rumor turned out to be false. The Reds were said to have liked him but didn't believe he'd fall to them.

There was very little chatter about Leake to the Reds. Most people thought we'd opt for Aaron Crow that year.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 03:19 PM
Bad news from Keith Law:

Beau (NOLA)

Klaw, as a Reds fan, what do you think the best outcome could be at 14? Was very pleased with Giolito in your latest mock.

Klaw (3:13 PM)

Then I'm sorry to report they're not taking him.

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 03:20 PM
Bad news from Keith Law:

Beau (NOLA)

Klaw, as a Reds fan, what do you think the best outcome could be at 14? Was very pleased with Giolito in your latest mock.

Klaw (3:13 PM)

Then I'm sorry to report they're not taking him.

Eh, I wouldn't say it is bad news just yet. None of us know the medical reports on that kid.

Plus Plus
06-04-2012, 03:35 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2012/2613398.html

This seems like an appropriate place to put this. Here are the slot values for the first 338 picks.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2012, 03:38 PM
Bad news from Keith Law:

Beau (NOLA)

Klaw, as a Reds fan, what do you think the best outcome could be at 14? Was very pleased with Giolito in your latest mock.

Klaw (3:13 PM)

Then I'm sorry to report they're not taking him.

Which is strange because his final mock went up at 2:56 PM where he projected the Reds taking Giolito.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 03:42 PM
I'd be happy with almost anyone mentioned so far as a serious candidate for the Reds. Personally I want a hitter but pitching IS the name of the game, so I'm not moaning if they think Giolito is healthy and he falls to them. Marrerro is about the only pick I'd be a bit unhappy about, I just think he's more a mid twenties or early thirties type of pick and Cozart is young with Gregorious right behind him. I'd prefer a masher like Shaffer or an electric arm like Giolito, or if they want an athletic tollsy type with more upside, imo, than Marrero - Piscotty.

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 03:48 PM
I'm holding out hope for Hawkins.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 03:56 PM
Which is strange because his final mock went up at 2:56 PM where he projected the Reds taking Giolito.

That is indeed very strange. Giolito, Fried or Hawkins would be a dream.

Superdude
06-04-2012, 04:00 PM
I'm holding out hope for Hawkins.

It's concerning seeing contact ability and pitch recognition as his biggest weaknesses though. I'd say that combo is more to blame for the demise of shiny, young prospects than just about anything.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 04:11 PM
It's concerning seeing contact ability and pitch recognition as his biggest weaknesses though. I'd say that combo is more to blame for the demise of shiny, young prospects than just about anything.

Yeah - my biggest concern with prospects after seeing so many tantalizing guys fall flat because they fail those acid tests. I'm burned on high strikeout, low contact, low OBP hacksters. On the other hand guys like Stephen Piscotty you worry if they'll develop home run power to go with those contact skills and good pitch recognition. 7pm is coming so slowly.

Superdude
06-04-2012, 04:17 PM
Yeah - my biggest concern with prospects after seeing so many tantalizing guys fall flat because they fail those acid tests. I'm burned on high strikeout, low contact, low OBP hacksters. On the other hand guys like Stephen Piscotty you worry if they'll develop home run power to go with those contact skills and good pitch recognition. 7pm is coming so slowly.

Buckley's got his work cut out for him. Not likely to be any slam dunk picks from what I can see.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 04:19 PM
The good news is I trust Buckley and co. as much as I've ever trusted the drafting regime of a team I like (in any sport). The bad news is the Reds are due for a bust and I just praised them, so I hope I didn't jinx anything.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 04:20 PM
Let's play a quick game/quick intra-thread poll for those of us who can't wait until 7pm:

Who is your best case and your worst case for the Reds at 14?

Best Case: Giolito, Fried, Hawkins (in that order)
Worst Case: Marrero

reds1869
06-04-2012, 04:20 PM
This is the most wide open draft in recent memory. Can't wait to watch it unfold in a few hours.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 04:23 PM
Which is strange because his final mock went up at 2:56 PM where he projected the Reds taking Giolito.

He answered my question:

Ben (New York)

Could you clarify why you had the Reds taking Giolito in your latest mock draft (at 2:56) but by 3:15 you said it's not happening (in this chat)?

Klaw (4:19 PM)

That mock was filed at 2 am.

--
Oh well.

reds1869
06-04-2012, 04:26 PM
Best: Giolito
Worst: I'm blocking that out of my mind. Happy thoughts only. ;)

Benihana
06-04-2012, 04:27 PM
Well, this is both good and bad:

John (OH)

Reds news worth mentioning?

Klaw (4:26 PM)

Have just heard they're out on two guys they've been linked to recently, Marrero and Giolito.

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 04:31 PM
a guy i kinda like for the sandwich/second round is Jacksonville University OF/1st Adam Brett Walker. 6'5 222 lbs. and compared to Giancarlo Stanton in terms of body type and power. Lots of places are says 80 power on the 20-80 scale. Father was an NFL running back (no not Hershel) and mother was a national champion high jumper in college and also played volleyball.

I think he is worth a shot based on the Stanton comparison alone.

Do I need to scout this guy?

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 04:38 PM
Best: Seager
Worst: Smoral

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 04:38 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2012/2613398.html

This seems like an appropriate place to put this. Here are the slot values for the first 338 picks.

I suspect this will speed up the signing process just like it did with the NFL. They were talking about changing the Aug 15th deadline. Did that happen?

Plus Plus
06-04-2012, 04:48 PM
I suspect this will speed up the signing process just like it did with the NFL. They were talking about changing the Aug 15th deadline. Did that happen?

Yes- it was moved up dramatically, to July 13th.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 04:53 PM
As per Walker after watching his film, reading his reports I don't know that I'd risk any of three top picks for him but if he fell to 78 then I think I'd pull the trigger.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 05:12 PM
Just off the cuff the funnest name in the draft this year has to go to Skye Bolt, the HS outfielder ranked in the last 25 or so of the top 100.

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 07:05 PM
The draft has finally started, Hopefully the Reds get a great player.

Superdude
06-04-2012, 07:10 PM
And it's under way! :beerme:

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 07:14 PM
The draft has finally started, Hopefully the Reds get a great player.

Let's hope they get several !!

texasdave
06-04-2012, 07:15 PM
Just off the cuff the funnest name in the draft this year has to go to Skye Bolt, the HS outfielder ranked in the last 25 or so of the top 100.

I kinda like Max Fried. Has a very Cheech and Chong feel to it.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:17 PM
Wow, didn't take long for our first shocker.

Plus Plus
06-04-2012, 07:17 PM
Carlos Correa #1 to Astros.

R_Webb18
06-04-2012, 07:17 PM
carlos correa to hou

jojo
06-04-2012, 07:17 PM
Didn't really see that one coming.

Gainesville Red
06-04-2012, 07:18 PM
And just like that. Surprise! Baseball's great.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 07:19 PM
Carlos Correa #1 to Astros.

I think I passed along a story on this kid last year. I'll have to go back and check.

reds1869
06-04-2012, 07:21 PM
Could be a great move or it could blow up in their face. Time will tell. I'll say this, the Astros didn't go the safe route.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:22 PM
LOL. I love Jim Callis. Minutes before he tweeted "I've had Appel all along and he is still the pick"

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:25 PM
Buxton 2. That was the expected call for the Twins.

jojo
06-04-2012, 07:26 PM
Back to the boring monotony of predictable with number 2...

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:26 PM
Wonder where Appel falls now? KC at 5?

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 07:27 PM
Wonder why they said a couple teams would not be picking Appel?

Superdude
06-04-2012, 07:28 PM
awkward interview...

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 07:28 PM
Did Appel make crazy contract demands? Does he still have college eligibility?

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 07:29 PM
The man can't put together a sentence.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:29 PM
The Mariners shouldn't over-think this. Just take Appel and be happy.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:29 PM
Maybe the Mariners and Orioles are looking at particular players. I know the Royals are looking at pitching. He won't fall past them.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Mariners take Zunnino - can't really say its a bad pick irregardless of Appel

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Well, the M's definitely think Jesus Montero is a DH and not a catcher.

Superdude
06-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Do these people know Appel is still on the board?

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Well, the M's definitely think Jesus Montero is a DH and not a catcher.

Yep

jojo
06-04-2012, 07:32 PM
Well, the M's definitely think Jesus Montero is a DH and not a catcher.

You really can't draw that inference from this pick.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:33 PM
6 of the next 8 top ranked picks are pitchers.

AWA85
06-04-2012, 07:34 PM
How far does the draft go tonight, sandwich picks as well?

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:34 PM
Orioles will take one of Appel, Gausman or ZImmer, and Royals will take one of the two left of those

Yes - thru the Sandwich round

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 07:35 PM
How far does the draft go tonight, sandwich picks as well?

yes first round and sandwhich picks tonight.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:36 PM
You really can't draw that inference from this pick.

Well, you kinda can. I don't think the M's would have drafted a catcher at #3 overall (especially with Appel on the board) if they believed the 22-year-old Montero was their catcher of the future. Know what I mean? I think they love Montero as a DH, just not as a C.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:36 PM
Gausman to the Orioles. Appel is still on the board

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:37 PM
KC likes Zimmer so it'll be interesting to see if they skip him and take Appel instead

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:37 PM
Appel picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:37 PM
Bundy and Gausman. The Orioles could have a heckuva staff before long.

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 07:38 PM
Wow Appel is losing alot of money. Can you imagine thinking you are first pick now falling fast?

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 07:38 PM
If he can fall 10 more slots...

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 07:39 PM
If Appel doesn't go here, I imagine he is going back to school.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:40 PM
No way he falls past the Royals with Cheese.

(Edit, scratch that.)

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Wow! The Royals go with ZImmer. It has to be signability

jojo
06-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Well, you kinda can. I don't think the M's would have drafted a catcher at #3 overall (especially with Appel on the board) if they believed the 22-year-old Montero was their catcher of the future. Know what I mean?

No I don't get what you mean. That's not really the way Tom McNamara and the Ms FO rolls.


I still believe in picking the best guy, whether it's a hitter or a pitcher. The day you draft for need, and you pass on that guy you really think should be the guy you take, it will come back and haunt you.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Wow.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 07:44 PM
If Appel doesn't go here, I imagine he is going back to school.

Is this where you think the new rules may apply. With numbers fairly locked in (or limited), signability becomes an even bigger factor for someone like Appel?

swityak11
06-04-2012, 07:44 PM
If Appel doesn't go here, I imagine he is going back to school.
It's Boras. He'll pitch him in the independent league if he can't get a signing.

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 07:45 PM
Do the Cubs take Appel? Do the Reds call Appel to see what he was asking for?

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 07:45 PM
It's Boras. He'll pitch him in the independent league if he can't get a signing.
Which does him what good?

swityak11
06-04-2012, 07:46 PM
Which does him what good?Get him drafted by a team more likely to pay him $6m.

jojo
06-04-2012, 07:47 PM
Callis is flambuxled over Appel.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:48 PM
Cubs get Almora.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:48 PM
I knew Almora would never end up at 14 but darn I like that kid.

Now he's a Cub! YUK!!

traderumor
06-04-2012, 07:50 PM
Well, you kinda can. I don't think the M's would have drafted a catcher at #3 overall (especially with Appel on the board) if they believed the 22-year-old Montero was their catcher of the future. Know what I mean? I think they love Montero as a DH, just not as a C.Using the picks of Alonso and Grandal as parallels, I'm siding with the "can't make that inference from the pick."

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:50 PM
It's Boras. He'll pitch him in the independent league if he can't get a signing.

No. He can still return to college and pitch another year.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:51 PM
Using the picks of Alonso and Grandal as parallels, I'm siding with the "can't make that inference from the pick."

I'm siding the other way in this case just because it's Montero and I think he IS a DH.

Superdude
06-04-2012, 07:51 PM
I knew Almora would never end up at 14 but darn I like that kid.

Now he's a Cub! YUK!!

He seemed like a super impressive kid in the little pre-show piece they did on him. At least he's not a Card!

5TimeWSChamps
06-04-2012, 07:51 PM
Appel is gonna drop now. I love Correa. Best player in the draft.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:52 PM
I wouldn't want Appel to fall to the Reds - they'd have to shoot their whole budget to sign him

indy_dave00
06-04-2012, 07:53 PM
Fried and Dahl next 2 picks

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:54 PM
Max Fried goes 7th.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:54 PM
Nice pick for the Padres. Talented lefty. Wouldn't mind the Reds picking his friend.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:55 PM
I want Appel if he's still there at 14. I'd roll the dice on signability. And if he doesn't sign, two first-round picks next year for the Reds.

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 07:56 PM
I want Appel if he's still there at 14. I'd roll the dice on signability. And if he doesn't sign, two first-round picks next year for the Reds.

Same here

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 07:56 PM
I agree about drafting Appel if he was there at #14.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:57 PM
I can see that - and now you get 2 years to get a pick signed not just 1.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:57 PM
Hmmm - if you couldn't sign him - can you use the rest of the budget on other players then?

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 07:58 PM
Hmmm - if you couldn't sign him - can you use the rest of the budget on other players then?

No.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 07:58 PM
I'm betting the Pirates take him now.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 07:59 PM
No.

Boy, there's blocking all the loopholes aren't they?

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 07:59 PM
Get him drafted by a team more likely to pay him $6m.

Does it do so more than him going to college and dominating there? I don't think it does.

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 07:59 PM
Pirates grab the Appel.

Scrap Irony
06-04-2012, 07:59 PM
I wouldn't want Appel to fall to the Reds - they'd have to shoot their whole budget to sign him

Maybe. Maybe not. I'd draft him, play a bit of hardball, then take the pick again next season if need be.

Those supplemental picks really help at this point-- you could then gamble big-time with them, taking high talent, hard-sign prospects.

Or you could go with Giolito (my personal favorite) and his 100 mph fastball. (When healthy.)

No offensive player really jumps out at you-- though you might be able to argue Courtney Hawkins, the HS OF, if he drops that far.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 07:59 PM
Wow, Pirates get Appel. They are building a nice farm system of top arms.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Pirates must be grinning from ear to ear to have Appel fall to them.

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Who was that blonde in the blue?

nmculbreth
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
At some point you'd figure that somebody is going to be willing to go over budget to draft Appel, I mean you're drafting at the back end of the draft you'd figure a #1 pick is worth way more than two #25 picks.

camisadelgolf
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Wow. Appel fell to the Pirates. Could you imagine a rotation with Cole, Taillon, Appel?

dougdirt
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Wow, Pirates get Appel. They are building a nice farm system of top arms.

Still have to sign him.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Pirates are going to be rich in pitching.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:00 PM
Still have to sign him.

True, true.

indy_dave00
06-04-2012, 08:01 PM
Appel if Pirates can sign him will have 3 great young arms in the near future.

The Voice of IH
06-04-2012, 08:01 PM
never mind, I'm an idiot hahahaha

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:02 PM
never mind, I'm an idiot hahahaha

Haha. I saw that before you edited it! Ha.

LoganBuck
06-04-2012, 08:03 PM
Appel if Pirates can sign him will have 3 great young arms in the near future.

Pirates don't really have a glorious track record with developing pitching. Now they have the raw talent can they keep them healthy and get them to realize their potential?

nate1213
06-04-2012, 08:04 PM
If the Pirates sign Appel, they will have a very impressive with Tallion, Cole, and Appel.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Point of clarification on the slotting bonuses. Am I understanding the budget is the amount set for a team's first 10 rounds, right? So while maybe the amount showing for #8 isn't the max they can pay, but the difference has to be made somewhere else. If so, I could see they could go up some, but they'll be sacrificing on some other draft pick (meaning, likely, they'll choose some later picks for affordable signability). Am I making sense with that?

Dan
06-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Pirates don't really have a glorious track record with developing pitching. Now they have the raw talent can they keep them healthy and get them to realize their potential?

And they already have McDonald at the major league level, if they can retain his services.

Going to be a fun decade or so with lots of duels between the Reds and Pirates, methinks.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Heaney's off the board

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 08:05 PM
I liked Heaney, think he can be good.

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:05 PM
Wow, Pirates get Appel. They are building a nice farm system of top arms.

Yeah, if only the Reds hadn't neglected sucking as much as the Pirates the last few years, their future could be just as bright. :D

5TimeWSChamps
06-04-2012, 08:06 PM
I didn't want Heaney at 14.

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 08:07 PM
Point of clarification on the slotting bonuses. Am I understanding the budget is the amount set for a team's first 10 rounds, right? So while maybe the amount showing for #8 isn't the max they can pay, but the difference has to be made somewhere else. If so, I could see they could go up some, but they'll be sacrificing on some other draft pick (meaning, likely, they'll choose some later picks for affordable signability). Am I making sense with that?

Prettty much the way I understand it but if you don't sign a pick you lose his "slot money"

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:07 PM
Stratton or Shaffer or Giolito

LoganBuck
06-04-2012, 08:08 PM
Stratton or Shaffer or Giolito

Hawkins makes a nice addition to that list.

Dan
06-04-2012, 08:08 PM
Hawkins or Shaffer or Giolito

indy_dave00
06-04-2012, 08:10 PM
I'd still not be surprised if the Reds select Stephen Piscotty at #14

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:10 PM
Love the pace of the MLB draft. Not as fast as it used to be, but that was chaotic. This is perfect. And it's a far cry from the NFL which has too long between picks (even though Goodell has done a good job of making it better).

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:10 PM
I'd still not be surprised if the Reds select Stephen Piscotty at #14

I wouldn't either and it wouldn't bother me - I like him. Just say no to Marrerro.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:11 PM
I'd still not be surprised if the Reds select Stephen Piscotty at #14

Wow, he was projected to go 24th in Keith Law's final mock.

PuffyPig
06-04-2012, 08:11 PM
Wow. Appel fell to the Pirates. Could you imagine a rotation with Cole, Taillon, Appel?

And if one of the 3 becomes an all star they will be estatic.

The failure rate of high draft picks is not comforting.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 08:12 PM
Prettty much the way I understand it but if you don't sign a pick you lose his "slot money"

Right, I knew that. It's going to see how this all works out. One thing for sure, Scott Boras already knows how he's going to work this new system. That's not a complaint - he's a smart guy & he'll know what his approach is going to be. It's possible some later picks within the slot structure perhaps sign earlier before the bonus pool dwindles too much.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:12 PM
Thinking Dahl will go to Colorado.

Sticking to my draft board: Giolito, Hawkins, Shaffer or Stratton.

Hoping for one of those four.

Gallen5862
06-04-2012, 08:12 PM
Do the Reds consider Stroman?

traderumor
06-04-2012, 08:12 PM
Appel is said to have an easy delivery, watching a few deliveries, it looked a little complicated and awkward to me.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:13 PM
Do the Reds consider Stroman?

I think the Reds will consider Stroman, especially given the success of the vertically challenged Cueto, Leake and Corcino. (I realize Leake was the only one they actually drafted).

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:13 PM
Rockies take David Dahl with the 10th pick.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:13 PM
Rockies go with the Johnny Damon wannabe

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 08:15 PM
Thinking Dahl will go to Colorado.

Sticking to my draft board: Giolito, Hawkins, Shaffer or Stratton.

Hoping for one of those four.

Is it just me or does Dahl just look like a ballplayer?

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 08:16 PM
Appel is said to have an easy delivery, watching a few deliveries, it looked a little complicated and awkward to me.

Yep. The guy is going to be a major league pitcher, but I'm not a huge fan of the athleticism in his delivery. A bit awkward, a little labored.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Is it just me or does Dahl just look like a ballplayer?

I think he'll be a good player in the Damon mold - speed, contact, enough power to play

Plus Plus
06-04-2012, 08:18 PM
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/209800782684499968


‪#reds‬ were hoping heaney would be there for them. still plenty of good players for pick No. 14 tho

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:19 PM
As go for the HS SS Russell

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:19 PM
A's take a schoolboy/ Addison Russell

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:20 PM
I want to thank EVERYBODY who supported me through this process and from the beginning! I am so humbled and grateful for this opportunity ... Max Fried tweet

classy

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:21 PM
Shocking pick by the A's. Russell wasn't projected to go that high and the A's usually target college players early in the draft.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
I want to thank EVERYBODY who supported me through this process and from the beginning! I am so humbled and grateful for this opportunity ... Max Fried tweet

classy

I really liked Fried. Would have loved to see him fall to us. I really hope we don't draft Marrero or Wacha.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/209800782684499968

I liked Heaney too. Has a nasty slider. Courtney Hawkins would be a nice pick at 14 if he's still there.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Who we thinkin' the Reds get?

Scrap Irony
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Mets will take Hawkins.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Cecchini will likely go here.

jojo
06-04-2012, 08:23 PM
Auburn's recruiting class is getting sliced and diced by the draft.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:24 PM
Looks like it's down to Marrero, Gallo, Giolito, Straton, Wacha and Shaffer for our Redlegs.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:24 PM
There goes Cecchini

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:25 PM
The Reds will take Giolito

camisadelgolf
06-04-2012, 08:25 PM
Cecchini will likely go here.
You called it. MLB Network is making a lot of comparisons of Cecchini to Zack Cozart. The White Sox are up; then the Reds.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:26 PM
The Reds will take Giolito

I certainly hope you're right (although am not holding my breath). It would certainly fit in with their 2012 philosophy (ie pay whatever it takes).

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:26 PM
Giolitto, Gallo, Shaffer, Hawkins, Piscotty, Stratton. Please no Marrero.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 08:27 PM
Harold Reynolds mentioned comparing Cecchini to Zach Cozart.

indy_dave00
06-04-2012, 08:27 PM
Think Pale Hose take Hawkins

Scrap Irony
06-04-2012, 08:28 PM
Who we thinkin' the Reds get?

I'm guessing the Marrero because that would tick everyone off.

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 08:28 PM
That interviewer reminds me of Barbara Hershey

Dan
06-04-2012, 08:29 PM
Why do we not like Marrero? Seriously, I know nothing about the guy and am wondering why we wouldn't want to take him here.

edabbs44
06-04-2012, 08:29 PM
I'm guessing the Marrero because that would tick everyone off.

That's a good guess and solid reasoning. :)

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2012, 08:29 PM
What is it about Marrero that everybody hates?

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:29 PM
Actually, as much as I want a couple of top bats out og this draft. I'm hoping they roll the dice with Giolitto

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 08:30 PM
What is it about Marrero that everybody hates?

Not a Round 1 bat

Scrap Irony
06-04-2012, 08:30 PM
His bat, mainly.

Scouts don't think he'll be all that great offensively.

lollipopcurve
06-04-2012, 08:30 PM
Of the college arms left, I think I'd prefer Stroman. Most electric college arm. Sure thing for the back of the bullpen. For a team in a competitive window, that's acceptable, IMO. Not my top preference, but I would not be bummed.

indy_dave00
06-04-2012, 08:30 PM
I'll stick with Piscotty just to be stubborn

Scrap Irony
06-04-2012, 08:31 PM
I'd gamble with Giolito. But, as a Reds fan, I'd be happy with Hawkins, Stratton, or Shaffer.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:31 PM
Dammit. Hawkins to Sox. Hoping for Giolito or at least Stratton/Shaffer.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
I didn't really like Hawkins.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
A lot of good options for the Reds to choose from here.

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
Why do we not like Marrero? Seriously, I know nothing about the guy and am wondering why we wouldn't want to take him here.

I think we have severl like him already in the system and not worth this spot in the draft - don't see a lot of offensive upside.

JaxRed
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
HOw did you get that pick so early?

Scrap Irony
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
Stroman wouldn't suck, lollipop, but I'd prefer the higher upside arm of Stratton or Giolito.

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 08:33 PM
Damn, he was my pick. Ah well.

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:34 PM
Lucas! Lucas! Lucas!
(name that movie)

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2012, 08:34 PM
I didn't really like Hawkins.

Love that grin though. Pure happiness. :D

camisadelgolf
06-04-2012, 08:34 PM
HOw did you get that pick so early?
What I'm watching: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2012/draftlive_app.jsp

The Voice of IH
06-04-2012, 08:34 PM
If it is Giolito, lets hope

a) the elbow is healed
b) he signs lol

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Sean Casey better not screw this up! haha.

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Lucas! Lucas! Lucas!
(name that movie)

Giolitto or Shafer would be my pick

LeDoux
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Newby here. Why is Wacha not in the mix?

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Newby here. Why is Wacha not in the mix?

I think he is. Not one of the front-runners, but in the mix.

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Two words: Giolitto. Time.

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
I have that same tie.

LeDoux
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
I think he is. Not one of the front-runners, but in the mix.

Gotcha. Thanks.

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
Woulda been something if Hawkins had broken a wing on that flip. :laugh:

Benihana
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
Giolito, Shaffer, or Stratton would please me. Marrero and Wacha will not...

Don't rule out Stroman here.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
From J.J. Cooper:

Hearing that the Reds are going to take RHP Nick Travieso with their pick.

https://twitter.com/#!/jjcoop36

Please no. He'll probably be around in the supplemental round.

edabbs44
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
Not in love with 100 mph HS arms. Esp injured ones.

5TimeWSChamps
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
I don't want Stratton, because he's already 22 and there's nowhere for him to go in the organization right now in the rotation

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:36 PM
Marrero was being pimped out on Twitter by a few people.

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:37 PM
GIOLITO! C'mon. No H.S. arms please CPA looking nerd.

Kc61
06-04-2012, 08:37 PM
Wacha or Stratton.

corkedbat
06-04-2012, 08:37 PM
No dookies - no midgets!

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 08:38 PM
big bucks no whammies

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:38 PM
Oh Sean. I missed your .310, 5 HRs a year.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:39 PM
Explain the way you feel right now to someone who says the MLB draft is boring.

NC Reds
06-04-2012, 08:40 PM
I feel a reach coming. Hope I'm wrong.

redsmetz
06-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Explain the way you feel right now to someone who says the MLB draft is boring.

This has worked out well for me. I did the dishes during the first several picks. Now I'm scanning some pictures my wife asked me to do for a wedding coming up. Listening to draft and getting to be productive - win, win for me.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't want Stratton, because he's already 22 and there's nowhere for him to go in the organization right now in the rotation

Arroyo only has 1 more year, and Bailey and Leake will soon get expensive.

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
I just don't want to facepalm after the pick.

wheels
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Please don't reach!

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Ehhhhhhhhhhh

5TimeWSChamps
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
BS. Going cheap

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
Another HS arm?

klw
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
From J.J. Cooper:

Hearing that the Reds are going to take RHP Nick Travieso with their pick.

https://twitter.com/#!/jjcoop36

Please no. He'll probably be around in the supplemental round.

He heard correct

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
That's horrible. I think Buckley just popped his shoulder out of socket with that reach.

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:42 PM
"He projects more as a reliever than a starter".

Awesome.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Well, so much for giving a crap about this draft. What a joke.

OnBaseMachine
06-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Serious reach by the Reds. Nice job. They just drafted a guy at 14 that may have been available at 49. And they just said on MLB Network he may project better as a reliever.

5TimeWSChamps
06-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Going cheap. What a joke

wheels
06-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Yarf.

Throws hard though.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Travioso. Can hit 99 sits at 92-93 has a great slider. Projectible but a project. As for the reliever remark thats not true - if he doesn't develop off speed stuff it is but he hasn't had pro coaching and doesn;t throw off speed yet

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:43 PM
"It is too early to define what this kid is going to do."

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Well, so much for giving a crap about this draft. What a joke.
They have more than 1 pick.

mbgrayson
06-04-2012, 08:43 PM
Serious reach by the Reds. Nice job. They just drafted a guy at 14 that may have been available at 49. And they just said on MLB Network he may project better as a reliever. Funny.

Baseball America projected him at #20.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:43 PM
It is NOT a terrible pick at all.

KoryMac5
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Drafted for upside potential, and his power arm.

NC Reds
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM
That's a reach.

Tom Servo
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Happy Gilmore and Roger Clemens? Not sure I like the pick. :thumbdown:

wabashfalcon
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Meh. I is very meh.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM
"Taaaap it in, tap tap tap-a-roo" LOL

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:44 PM
He would not have been there at 49

R_Webb18
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
little to early to judge

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
OMG, I like the pick even less after seeing that interview.

wheels
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Seems like a bit of a nozzle. Who says that kind of stuff?

OGB
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
"He projects more as a reliever than a starter".

Awesome.

Ugh, I agree.

I would've loved to have seen a couple college players at the top of the Reds draft.


I hope he gives up hockey. The Reds don't need any pitching prospects getting checked into the boards.

jojo
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Booo cards highlights after the Reds pick.

RedlegJake
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
I'm not in love with it but I can live with it

marcshoe
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Travioso. Can hit 99 sits at 92-93 has a great slider. Projectible but a project. As for the reliever remark thats not true - if he doesn't develop off speed stuff it is but he hasn't had pro coaching and doesn;t throw off speed yet

This article (http://mlbdraftcountdown.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/nick-travieso-rhp-archbishop-mccarthy-hs-fl/) says that he has three pitches:

Fastball: 91-96 mph
Changeup: 74-81 mph
Slider: 79-83 mph

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Does Buckley know we had the 14th pick and not the 40th?

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
It is NOT a terrible pick at all.

I agree. Looking at this kids numbers...impressive.

klw
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k635/kritterbox/facepalm_panda.gif
I just don't want to facepalm after the pick.

You mean like this, not doing a double panda facepalm as I don't know enough on him.

Brutus
06-04-2012, 08:45 PM
I don't get the hand-wringing. Most of us (myself included) haven't seen 99.999999% of thee players play a single game.

Scouts get these things right less than half the time. Fans even less. The fact is this kid has more talent than most. So he's a high school arm? Every college arm was a high school arm at one point. It doesn't change the talent level.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Nice, and now the Indians will make a good pick to make the way I feel even worse.

PuffyPig
06-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Baseball America had him going #20 to the Giants, who've done a great job of developing arms.

He wouldn't have lasted out of the first round for sure.

HokieRed
06-04-2012, 08:46 PM
HS guy in the mid 90's with 3 pitches--right on target. No way he's around after a half dozen more picks.

The Rage
06-04-2012, 08:46 PM
At least they aren't taking low upside guys.