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camisadelgolf
06-05-2012, 02:04 PM
Please use this thread to post scouting reports, links, and other comments about the Reds' 2012 fourth round pick.

http://www.pepperdinesports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/moscot_jon00.html

FAVORITES: Roy Halladay (pro baseball player) ... New York Mets (pro baseball team) ... Angels and Demons (book) ... Remember The Titans (movie) ... Seinfeld (TV show) ... Slightly Stoopid (muscial artist) ... Pizza (food) ... Football (sport other than baseball) ... Hobbies include camping, fishing and jet skiing.

dougdirt
06-05-2012, 02:10 PM
More of a 'pitcher'. FB in that 89-93 range (2 and 4 seamer), split finger, change up, slider. Good command. Not a lot of upside, but one of those solid types.

redsmetz
06-05-2012, 02:15 PM
Here's another piece from Pepperine

http://www.pepperdine-graphic.com/featured/pepperdine-pitcher-jon-moscot-ranks-top-in-wcc/

redsmetz
06-05-2012, 02:23 PM
His high school sounded familiar to me - quite a number of famous alums for a school that only opened around 1961.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_Charter_High_School

Scrap Irony
06-05-2012, 02:24 PM
Good fastball, change. Needs work on his offspeed stuff.

Love that he led the Cape Cod in Ks.

According to one scouting report, he's a 48-52 package right now with upside coming pretty much only from finding an offspeed pitch. 75th prospect in the Cape Cod League, according to Perfect Game.

camisadelgolf
06-05-2012, 02:25 PM
His high school sounded familiar to me - quite a number of famous alums for a school that only opened around 1961.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_Charter_High_School
Wow. Sparks are alumni from there, and they've easily been one of the biggest musical influences in my life. This pick just keeps getting better and better.

redsmetz
06-15-2012, 08:38 PM
Just came across this interview with Moscot

http://www.draftamerica.com/spotlight/prospect-interview-reds-4th-round-pick-rhp-jon-moscot

Edd Roush
05-13-2014, 11:40 AM
I wanted to bump this thread to discuss the progress of Moscot. Right now, he is my Exhibit A of why a pitcher's won-loss record means squat. After being 2-14 in Bakersfield in 2014, he is pitching very well in the Southern League through 8 starts. While his 1.97 ERA may be a artificially low right now because of a .245 BABIP that may be unsustainable, his 2.68 BB/9 is his lowest since rookie ball. His K rate is down a bit to 6.79 K/9, but he has done a great job of supressing the longball allowing only 0.36 HR/9. His FIP of 3.17 is solid. I think Moscot could use 5-8 more starts in AA to show that the walk rate is for real, and if he can pick up that K rate back into the 8+ range, I will start getting really excited about him. He is definitely one of the most exciting pitching prospects to watch outside of Lively and Stephenson.

Could he potentially be a national Top 100 prospect if he keeps this up through the time the mid-season prospect rankings come out?

Kc61
05-13-2014, 11:53 AM
We tend to put pitchers in buckets. Moscot is in the bucket of "fifth starter swing man" like Sam Lecure. Which ain't bad. But sometimes these guys will fool you with a knack for getting batters out.

So I'm hoping Moscot can be a solid mid-rotation starter. Or, he's possible trade bait by the Reds, if they think he is outperforming his potential.

Glad they drafted him.

Benihana
05-13-2014, 12:09 PM
Could he potentially be a national Top 100 prospect if he keeps this up through the time the mid-season prospect rankings come out?

No. Lively and Lorenzen are much more likely to crack the Top 100 prospects at midseason - even at this rate. That said, it's nice to see Moscot's success. He would make a great trade candidate in July if he continues to dominate AA.

dougdirt
05-13-2014, 02:19 PM
We tend to put pitchers in buckets. Moscot is in the bucket of "fifth starter swing man" like Sam Lecure. Which ain't bad. But sometimes these guys will fool you with a knack for getting batters out.

So I'm hoping Moscot can be a solid mid-rotation starter. Or, he's possible trade bait by the Reds, if they think he is outperforming his potential.

Glad they drafted him.

His profile as a starter is better than LeCure's was as a starter in the minors.

Edd Roush
05-13-2014, 05:03 PM
His profile as a starter is better than LeCure's was as a starter in the minors.

Doug, what future do you see for Moscot? Could he crack a top 100 list?

RED VAN HOT
05-13-2014, 05:32 PM
At draft time two years ago, Moscot was described as having an 88-91 fastball with sink and average change up, split finger and slider. He was also said to have a funky delivery which added deception. Can anyone update this description? His GO/AO is .8; hardly indicative of a sinker pitcher. Is he throwing any harder? Has he improved his secondary pitches?

dougdirt
05-13-2014, 05:53 PM
He is throwing a little harder than 88-91.

Here is some video of him from last August in Pensacola.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSwwuM9fMU

Tom Servo
08-25-2014, 02:19 PM
So we're two starts into Moscot's AAA career at age 23. Obviously not much of a sample to draw from there but I am more so referring to the fact that he is now just one level below the major leagues and I'm wondering if there is any sort of general consensus of his future. Back of rotation innings eater? Fringey starter? Bullpen piece? Decent trade chip?

757690
08-25-2014, 03:05 PM
He went to Pepperdine, and dummies like me don't get into Pepperdine, so he's one of those smart people, and I like smart pitchers.

I'm guessing his ceiling is Mike Leake, his floor (if he makes the bigs) is Sam LeCure. At the very least, it will be nice to have a better option next year for an emergency start than they've had the last few years.

Even though he has a low ceiling, because he so close to the majors and still producting, I'd put him in the top 5 of Reds pitching propects.

dougdirt
08-25-2014, 05:19 PM
While I have never sat down and given him a test, I have talked with him a few times and you are right 757690, he's a smart guy.

As to the question of what he is exactly, he's more than a fringy starter, but not a guy with a huge upside to work with either. High floor though.

RED VAN HOT
08-25-2014, 08:30 PM
Is it worth adding him to the 40 and giving him some September starts? An evaluation could be helpful in weighing other off season moves.

dougdirt
08-26-2014, 02:58 AM
Is it worth adding him to the 40 and giving him some September starts? An evaluation could be helpful in weighing other off season moves.

I don't think they will do that. 40-man spots will be precious this offseason and Moscot will eventually get one of them, but it won't be this year.

bellhead
08-26-2014, 11:52 AM
Doug,

What do you think his value is in trade considerations. LF is a glaring hole for next year.

dougdirt
08-26-2014, 12:43 PM
Doug,

What do you think his value is in trade considerations. LF is a glaring hole for next year.

HE doesn't have a big enough arm to get a true big bat for LF. If the Reds want a legit bat for LF, they will have to give up a legit big arm (re: can throw very hard).

Tom Servo
02-26-2015, 08:04 PM
Sounds like Moscot has impressed at least one person at camp, our manager

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/redsblog/2015/02/26/reds-right-hander-jon-moscot-making-most-of-his-first-camp/24066609/


But to the discerning eye, like that of former pitching coach Bryan Price, Moscot has all the right stuff to be an effective starter.

"He throws efficiently," Price said. "He throws plenty hard enough. He's an 89 to 92, maybe a touch better at times. It's command. It's bottom-of-the-zone command, side to side. Very, very good slider. His change-up has made great strides over the last season. As I tell the starters, if you're going to start, you need that off-speed pitch, some kind of change-of-pace pitch, but primarily a change-up, if you're going to be really good."

M2
02-26-2015, 08:31 PM
Moscot could be the Reds' feel good story of 2015. If his change has taken a leap forward then he's got to be ahead of his other 2014 rotation mates in terms of getting a major league callup.

camisadelgolf
02-26-2015, 08:48 PM
HE doesn't have a big enough arm to get a true big bat for LF. If the Reds want a legit bat for LF, they will have to give up a legit big arm (re: can throw very hard).
Does Marlon Byrd qualify?

JayBruceFan
02-26-2015, 09:06 PM
Wrong Thread

dougdirt
02-26-2015, 10:52 PM
Does Marlon Byrd qualify?

To me? No.

butsch16
02-27-2015, 10:18 AM
Doug, what do you think Moscot's chances are at making the rotation going into Opening Day?

dougdirt
02-27-2015, 10:58 AM
Doug, what do you think Moscot's chances are at making the rotation going into Opening Day?

10-15%, tops. He's started only a few games in Triple-A and he's very clearly behind three guys for the 4-5 spots. If Bailey is on target to only miss a week or two, they won't make a roster move to add Moscot when they can just use someone out of the bullpen for those starts.

NeilHamburger
02-27-2015, 11:28 AM
Yeah, the Reds 5th starter won't even pitch until April 12th since the season is starting late. There is a chance Bailey would be ready by that date or just one start later. So I can't imagine the Reds using Moscot for 1 start, and then sending him down.

mace
02-27-2015, 11:56 AM
Moscot seems to be developing the way I'd hoped Drew Cisco would.

Chuckie
03-02-2015, 01:21 PM
10-15%, tops. He's started only a few games in Triple-A and he's very clearly behind three guys for the 4-5 spots. If Bailey is on target to only miss a week or two, they won't make a roster move to add Moscot when they can just use someone out of the bullpen for those starts.

Moscot's chances of making the Reds' rotation out of spring are more like .1 percent. Looking forward to seeing how he looks at Louisville though. Could be a nice BOR starter for the Reds for years to come.

dougdirt
03-02-2015, 03:53 PM
Moscot's chances of making the Reds' rotation out of spring are more like .1 percent. Looking forward to seeing how he looks at Louisville though. Could be a nice BOR starter for the Reds for years to come.

I feel confident that his chances are better than 1 out of 1000.

Chuckie
03-03-2015, 04:11 PM
I feel confident that his chances are better than 1 out of 1000.

He's not even in consideration for making the team out of spring. Have you heard Bryan Price name him as a candidate? It doesn't matter how impressive Moscot or Travieso look during spring, they're not in consideration for the Opening Day roster. Also: I'm sure the team doesn't want to make the same mistake as it did with Mike Leake where they bring a guy up quick (not that Moscot and Travieso are skipping the minors like Leake) and then he becomes a free agent basically a year before he should.

dougdirt
03-03-2015, 04:12 PM
Travieso has no shot of making the roster. Moscot though? Sure,he's got a shot. It's a small shot, but he's had plenty of Double-A success. The Reds have a whole bunch of spots open for pitchers. If he is lights out in the spring and others struggle, there's no reason to think he isn't going to be considered.

Steve4192
03-04-2015, 03:54 PM
He's not even in consideration for making the team out of spring.

He's not in consideration right now, but things can change quickly. All it takes is an injury or two or uninspiring performances by the guys to the guys in front of him, and he could find himself in the mix. I agree it's not particularly likely, but crazier things have happened.

Chuckie
03-05-2015, 09:35 AM
He's not in consideration right now, but things can change quickly. All it takes is an injury or two or uninspiring performances by the guys to the guys in front of him, and he could find himself in the mix. I agree it's not particularly likely, but crazier things have happened.

Which is why I put it at .1 percent.

:D

Yes, if pitchers start dropping like flies -- literally 4-5 candidates for the starting rotation get injured -- then Moscot would be under consideration for the Opening Day roster. And there is a miniscule chance of that happening.

Sorry, but Doug's "10-15" percent estimation was way too high IMO. I'd give you 1 percent at best, but I feel more confident saying .1 percent.

dougdirt
03-05-2015, 09:49 AM
Which is why I put it at .1 percent.

:D

Yes, if pitchers start dropping like flies -- literally 4-5 candidates for the starting rotation get injured -- then Moscot would be under consideration for the Opening Day roster. And there is a miniscule chance of that happening.

Sorry, but Doug's "10-15" percent estimation was way too high IMO. I'd give you 1 percent at best, but I feel more confident saying .1 percent.

1 out of 8.5-10, given there are two rotation spots open, seems far more likely than 1 out of 1000.