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powersackers
06-07-2012, 05:06 PM
That was quick. He'll be taking BP in Minute Maid within the hour.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120606&content_id=32868692&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

redsmetz
06-07-2012, 05:18 PM
That was quick. He'll be taking BP in Minute Maid within the hour.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120606&content_id=32868692&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

The Astros owner was quoted, "we did it in such a way it allows us to pick up some other players we really wanted and be able to stretch a little here and there." Is there something in the CBA that allows additional money to be expended that sweetens the pot but doesn't count against the purse? I know major league deals are out (alleluia), but can they offer a multiyear contract?

texasdave
06-07-2012, 05:37 PM
That was quick. He'll be taking BP in Minute Maid within the hour.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120606&content_id=32868692&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

He may be leading off by the weekend. :)

dougdirt
06-07-2012, 05:41 PM
Supposedly signing for $5M, which is $2.2M lower than the slot. That leaves them with a ton of extra money to spend on the rest of their draft.

camisadelgolf
06-07-2012, 06:20 PM
The Astros owner was quoted, "we did it in such a way it allows us to pick up some other players we really wanted and be able to stretch a little here and there." Is there something in the CBA that allows additional money to be expended that sweetens the pot but doesn't count against the purse? I know major league deals are out (alleluia), but can they offer a multiyear contract?
Teams can get in a lot of trouble for trying to circumvent the slot system. It has been suggested that there might be loopholes (for example, overpaying a family member for a useless role in the organization and having said family relay the money to the player), but MLB feels like they have it all shored up. If a team is caught, there could be some "harsh" penalties. There has even been some talk of teams looking for ways to break federal laws. I don't have a subscription, but in case you know someone who does, this might be a helpful article: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&id=7991772&_slug_=new-mlb-draft-system-send-teams-looking-new-loopholes-mlb&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb %2fblog%3fname%3dolney_buster%26id%3d7991772%26_sl ug_%3dnew-mlb-draft-system-send-teams-looking-new-loopholes-mlb

camisadelgolf
06-07-2012, 06:23 PM
The way the new CBA works, it serves teams better to sign their later picks first so that first round picks expecting over-slot money don't try to extort the team for extra money by saying, "If you don't sign me, your draft pool goes down, and then you won't be able to sign those other guys you wanted." That way, it gives a team leverage to say, "Listen, we can't afford to sign you for more than $________. If you want more that, you're going to have to wait at least a year."

redsmetz
06-07-2012, 06:35 PM
Teams can get in a lot of trouble for trying to circumvent the slot system. It has been suggested that there might be loopholes (for example, overpaying a family member for a useless role in the organization and having said family relay the money to the player), but MLB feels like they have it all shored up. If a team is caught, there could be some "harsh" penalties. There has even been some talk of teams looking for ways to break federal laws. I don't have a subscription, but in case you know someone who does, this might be a helpful article: http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&id=7991772&_slug_=new-mlb-draft-system-send-teams-looking-new-loopholes-mlb&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb %2fblog%3fname%3dolney_buster%26id%3d7991772%26_sl ug_%3dnew-mlb-draft-system-send-teams-looking-new-loopholes-mlb

Quick reply as I'm out right now. I'm not suggesting anything under the table, but rather wonder whether the CBA allowed for extended deals, as one possible example.

dougdirt
06-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Quick reply as I'm out right now. I'm not suggesting anything under the table, but rather wonder whether the CBA allowed for extended deals, as one possible example.

If by extended deals you meal multi-year, then no. Contracts like the one Billy Hamilton signed for multi-sport guys are no longer allowed. Nor are MLB deals.

camisadelgolf
06-07-2012, 06:50 PM
Quick reply as I'm out right now. I'm not suggesting anything under the table, but rather wonder whether the CBA allowed for extended deals, as one possible example.
It looks like Doug addressed this, but I just needed to make a post because I'm trying to catch up with you in post count.

Gallen5862
06-07-2012, 07:46 PM
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120607&content_id=32932532&vkey=news_kc&c_id=kc

Royals ink first-round pick Zimmer
By Paul Casella / MLB.com | 06/07/12 4:55 PM ET

The Royals have signed first-round pick Kyle Zimmer, the fifth overall selection in Monday's First-Year Player Draft. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

redsmetz
06-07-2012, 09:02 PM
The thing is, $5.5M is still a lot of money. Perhaps this hard slot system will serve it's purpose.

dougdirt
06-07-2012, 09:15 PM
The thing is, $5.5M is still a lot of money. Perhaps this hard slot system will serve it's purpose.

Not really. The purpose was to try and make the best talents go to the worst teams. That still didn't happen. Until there is a hard slotting system where you go 1, you get X, you go 2 you get X-2% and so on, the draft won't work the way it was intended to.

kg112686
06-08-2012, 12:27 AM
Not really. The purpose was to try and make the best talents go to the worst teams. That still didn't happen. Until there is a hard slotting system where you go 1, you get X, you go 2 you get X-2% and so on, the draft won't work the way it was intended to.


I don't want to sound like an a$$ but could you give examples of this? I'm not saying I disagree I'm just not clear how you came to that conclusion.

dougdirt
06-08-2012, 07:02 AM
I don't want to sound like an a$$ but could you give examples of this? I'm not saying I disagree I'm just not clear how you came to that conclusion.

Correa was taken earlier than expected and signed below slot for a reason. Several guys fell big time. The rounds 6-10 were an absolute joke in terms of the players who wound up being selected so teams could sign guys for well under slot and try to sign guys who fell for signability reasons who they then drafted later.

Also, avoiding the swear filter is frowned upon. You easily could have just said jerk instead of using some dollar signs.

WMR
06-09-2012, 07:13 PM
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757690
06-09-2012, 07:28 PM
Not really. The purpose was to try and make the best talents go to the worst teams. That still didn't happen. Until there is a hard slotting system where you go 1, you get X, you go 2 you get X-2% and so on, the draft won't work the way it was intended to.

I think the real purpose was to keep the best players from falling to the richest teams because of signability. There really weren't any "best" players in this draft, so it's hard to judge if players fell because of signability or because there was no clear cut consensus on who should go where.

Reds draft was a perfect example. The fourth player they took in round two, was rated higher by many than their first pick in round one.

dougdirt
06-09-2012, 10:34 PM
I think the real purpose was to keep the best players from falling to the richest teams because of signability. There really weren't any "best" players in this draft, so it's hard to judge if players fell because of signability or because there was no clear cut consensus on who should go where.

Reds draft was a perfect example. The fourth player they took in round two, was rated higher by many than their first pick in round one.

Travieso was higher rated, but I kind of get your point.

camisadelgolf
06-10-2012, 02:43 AM
The most interesting draft strategy I've seen so far is that of the Blue Jays. They signed their sixth- and tenth-rounders for a combined $6,000. The idea is that it freed up a bunch of other money to sign other picks, such as Matt Smoral who signed for about double the recommended slot bonus.