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MikeS21
06-11-2012, 10:12 AM
OK. I know that every team has games like last night. You just shrug your shoulders and come back again the next game. Any other night, and it would be, "Let's just go get 'em next time, boys."

But last night's loss against the Tigers was extra painful for no other reason than it was on national TV in front of a nation-wide audience. And the great irony is that the strengths of this team are what let it down. For the first 3-4 innings, the announcers were very complimentary of the Reds and spoke glowingly of all the positives of the team, including: Brandon Phillip's defense, Joey Votto's bat, the rock solid bullpen, and the untouchable Aroldis Chapman

Homer Bailey pitched better than his final line said. Other than the home run, which arguably was a GABP special, and the double, most the other hits were bloopers.

Despite the scoring decision on the ground ball to BP, when he scooped for the ball, I watched it over and over, and the fact is, that BP made the play more difficult that it should have been. He should have been charged with the error. I kept hearing the announcers say he did the right thing, but regardless, Homer should have been sitting in the dugout without giving up a run. However, nine times out of ten, Phillips makes that play - just not on national TV.

Of all nights for Joey Votto to forget how to hit. Let's face it. Votto probably had four of his worst AB's all season in that game. The one guy in Cincinnati who has created a buzz around baseball with his bat. Perhaps the single most feared hitter in the National League, had what will probably be his worst game all year - on national TV.

Dusty was aggressive in his tag team bullpen game last night. And why not? The bullpen had been outstanding this year. The announcers are buzzing about the great bullpen. Arredondo comes in and he's been terrific - just not on national TV. Marshall comes in to face Fielder. Of course, on national TV, bad Marshall shows up, and Bailey get tagged with another run he should not have been saddled with . Ondrusek comes in and somehow manages to get a K to end the inning. But on national TV, he puts two guys on and no outs in the next inning.

Enter Chapman, who probably has gotten the biggest build-up by the announcers of all. They're going on about how unhittable he is. And Chapman is unhittable - just not on national TV.

Ironically, about the only negative thing the announcers said all night about the Reds was that GABP gave up too many HR's. Of course, on national TV, Cozart and Frazier just HAD to hit GABP cheapie HR's.

All things considered, it was just one loss. But dag-nabbit, that one was embarrassing!

Blitz Dorsey
06-11-2012, 10:37 AM
Usually I get over losses pretty quickly. There's 162 games and one game doesn't mean much in the grand scheme. But for some reason, this one is sticking with me even the next day. It burns. What a tough loss. Hopefully this team shows resiliency and wins the upcoming series against a good Indians club. I sure as hell hope we don't look back on last night as the negative turning point of the season.

Dusty was in complete panic mode. I like Dusty for the most part (usually only his lineup construction is what bothers me about him, but overall I like him) but he definitely panicked last night. What do they say about players taking on the personalities of their coaches/managers? The Reds had no reason to panic up 3 runs (as many as four at one point, but when it got to 3 is when they started to panic).

Tony Cloninger
06-11-2012, 10:45 AM
I hope you are right about the 1 game thing.......and usually that is what you chalk it up to. However...last year this team seemed to go into a shell when things did not fall their way...or start falling their way last year.
They started feeling sorry for themselves...it seemed...while Dusty kept telling us and we kept telling ourselves that they were going to bust out.

You have so many close games and you keep using the same 4 pitchers to do all your relief work...they are eventually going to implode.

dfs
06-11-2012, 10:46 AM
You know....it WAS a tough loss, but I take heart from the tigers series.

I think perhaps it reveals to Walt and Bob how much further they can go to improve the team.

I think several of the hitters gave quality at bats in a way that we have not seen out of this club all season long....Frazier opened some eyes....the reds starting pitching can go toe to toe with anybody....as good as your bullpen might be, no lead is ever safe in that ballbark....

If you think the reds are a 95 win team, I understand how you can be discouraged, but if you think they are an 85 win team that might get better, then I think that was an encouraging series.

Tony Cloninger
06-11-2012, 10:56 AM
You know....it WAS a tough loss, but I take heart from the tigers series.

I think perhaps it reveals to Walt and Bob how much further they can go to improve the team.

I think several of the hitters gave quality at bats in a way that we have not seen out of this club all season long....Frazier opened some eyes....the reds starting pitching can go toe to toe with anybody....as good as your bullpen might be, no lead is ever safe in that ballbark....

If you think the reds are a 95 win team, I understand how you can be discouraged, but if you think they are an 85 win team that might get better, then I think that was an encouraging series.

I think most of my gloom comes from the fact that I saw how 2011 looked....and this team still has remnants in their makeup of that team.
They are better.....but the good pitching has been substituted with the bad hitting...on most nights.

I also do not like Dusty's use of the bullpen when he starts moving pitchers in and out like that. These guys are not 1/3, 2/3 inning specialists.

Johnny Footstool
06-11-2012, 11:13 AM
I doubt the players were any more excited for this game than any other game. I certainly hope they weren't.

This was not a significant loss for anyone other than the fans. We were excited to see the Reds on Sunday Night Baseball. Other than that, this was just another interleague game.

Kc61
06-11-2012, 11:13 AM
This game was meaningless. It was a complete fluke. My only issues are that Marshall didn't get Fielder, two days in a row, and Mesoraco didn't tag the guy on the Bruce throw and didn't handle the Aroldis "wild pitch."

The hit by pitch in the 8th was dubious. The "double" down the line was a very close call, easily could have been foul. The bloop in the 8th was just bad luck.

It was a national TV game, so fans are angry about it, but I thought it was a bad luck loss.

Reds are in decent shape, they need another OBP guy or two and they need to use the whole bullpen more to rest some of the late inning guys more.

Forget last night's game, they will take it out on Cleveland Tuesday.

westofyou
06-11-2012, 11:20 AM
I doubt the players were any more excited for this game than any other game. I certainly hope they weren't.

This was not a significant loss for anyone other than the fans. We were excited to see the Reds on Sunday Night Baseball. Other than that, this was just another interleague game.

Reds fans are snake bit, always waiting for the other shoe to fall, always worried that the usher will find out they snuck into those blue seats.

Three 1 run games in a row against a good team that just might be getting out of their season long slump

I worry more about blowouts, no shows, no hustle, no brains way more than what occurred this weekend, I certainly think that no one should place national tv on the list if reasons why one should worry more

Reds Freak
06-11-2012, 11:21 AM
Joey Votto forgot how to hit? He scorched two balls last night, just happened to be right at people. Off the ledge...

powersackers
06-11-2012, 12:07 PM
The rest of the nation is not our concern. Likely they have forgotten about last night. We should too. Tip your cap to Austin Jackson and move on. I wouldn't want to be Cleveland this week!

RedsManRick
06-11-2012, 12:21 PM
I worry that an offense that can run the pitch counts up against arguably the best pitcher in baseball can't seem to generate offense against guys who throw 98 but have no idea where the ball is going.

I worry that only Votto consistently puts together good at bats.

I worry that Dusty honestly believes it's a good idea to keep Hanigan 8th while two guys with sub .300 OBPs set the table for Votto.

I worry that Brandon Phillips is increasingly relying on his ability to make spectacular plays at a time when his range is going to start declining. And I worry that the Reds honestly thought he turned a corner offensively and is the team's 2nd best cleanup option.

I worry that Dusty thinks Logan Ondrusek is a better pitcher than Sean Marshall.

I worry that Todd Frazier's throws from 3rd consistently test Votto's ability to scoop or make a swipe tag.

I worry that when Rolen gets back, Frazier's bat is going to be taken out of the lineup.

I worry that Reds starters don't miss enough bats and allow too many fly balls for guys pitching in a bandbox.

I worry that, despite his dominance before last week, Aroldis Chapman is regressing as a "pitcher" and won't have sufficient command of his secondary pitches to be an effective starter.

Ultimately, I'm very happy that we're in first place and that our primary competition is injury riddled. Despite all of the above, I think we have the inside track for the division title. And I do see some upside in some people's bad luck turning around (Ludwick's BABIP, Latos' HR/FB). But I worry that this team is going to hit its functional budget cap with an 86-88 win talent base and no obvious options for improvement and that this generation of Reds teams will never be a serious contender for a title.

Vottomatic
06-11-2012, 12:29 PM
I worry that an offense that can run the pitch counts up against arguably the best pitcher in baseball can't seem to generate offense against guys who throw 98 but have no idea where the ball is going.

I worry that only Votto consistently puts together good at bats.

I worry that Dusty honestly believes it's a good idea to keep Hanigan 8th while two guys with sub .300 OBPs set the table for Votto.

I worry that Brandon Phillips is increasingly relying on his ability to make spectacular plays at a time when his range is going to start declining. And I worry that the Reds honestly thought he turned a corner offensively and is the team's 2nd best cleanup option.

I worry that Dusty thinks Logan Ondrusek is a better pitcher than Sean Marshall.

I worry that Todd Frazier's throws from 3rd consistently test Votto's ability to scoop or make a swipe tag.

I worry that when Rolen gets back, Frazier's bat is going to be taken out of the lineup.

I worry that Reds starters don't miss enough bats and allow too many fly balls for guys pitching in a bandbox.

I worry that, despite his dominance before last week, Aroldis Chapman is regressing as a "pitcher" and won't have sufficient command of his secondary pitches to be an effective starter.

Ultimately, I'm very happy that we're in first place and that our primary competition is injury riddled. Despite all of the above, I think we have the inside track for the division title. And I do see some upside in some people's bad luck turning around (Ludwick's BABIP, Latos' HR/FB). But I worry that this team is going to hit its functional budget cap with an 86-88 win talent base and no obvious options for improvement and that this generation of Reds teams will never be a serious contender for a title.

You sure worry alot. :laugh:

Should we rename this thread "What I'm Worried About"? :confused:

As I've consistently said for several years now. Maybe this team is better than they're playing and maybe Dusty is holding them back with his ridiculous lineup constructions? Maybe an 88 to 90 win team could be a 92-96 win team with a better manager. It means they're good under Dusty, but maybe they should be better.

:thumbup:

PuffyPig
06-11-2012, 02:09 PM
Of all nights for Joey Votto to forget how to hit. Let's face it. Votto probably had four of his worst AB's all season in that game. The one guy in Cincinnati who has created a buzz around baseball with his bat. Perhaps the single most feared hitter in the National League, had what will probably be his worst game all year - on national TV.



(sigh)

REDREAD
06-11-2012, 02:16 PM
Well, I admit.. this loss was hard to take. I was disappointed because I was all excited about taking 2 of 3 from the Tigers, only to see it slip away.

I did think that Dusty paniced a bit with Arrondo and Marshall.. BUT on the flip side, if all goes well, Cabera and Felder never come to bat again.. It was the most critical inning, so I don't blame Dusty for managing it like the 7th game of the World Series.

As the game was slipping away, I was glad that Dusty left Chapman in there to clean up his mess.. I was resigned to the loss before the Tigers took the lead.

Yea, in the grand scheme, this is only one loss. The Cards lost too so it's not that big of a deal.. But I agree, this one made me angry at the time.

powersackers
06-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Well, I admit.. this loss was hard to take. I was disappointed because I was all excited about taking 2 of 3 from the Tigers, only to see it slip away.

I did think that Dusty paniced a bit with Arrondo and Marshall.. BUT on the flip side, if all goes well, Cabera and Felder never come to bat again.. It was the most critical inning, so I don't blame Dusty for managing it like the 7th game of the World Series.

As the game was slipping away, I was glad that Dusty left Chapman in there to clean up his mess.. I was resigned to the loss before the Tigers took the lead.

Yea, in the grand scheme, this is only one loss. The Cards lost too so it's not that big of a deal.. But I agree, this one made me angry at the time.

I slapped the couch a few times myself. Anger is OK. I'd be dissapointed if we weren't angry.

Crumbley
06-11-2012, 03:37 PM
Baseball is not football.

George Anderson
06-11-2012, 03:41 PM
What I found comical about the whole game is Terry Francona going on about what a great baseball town Cincy is all the while the Tiger fans are chanting "Lets Go Tigers" and if not drowning out at the very least cheering as loud as the Reds fans through out the game.

I love the Reds but for the longest time I have said Cincy is not the great baseball town so many people think it is.

westofyou
06-11-2012, 03:52 PM
Baseball is not football.

This is a mantra that every young fan should repeat over and over

Older fans too

westofyou
06-11-2012, 03:53 PM
What I found comical about the whole game is Terry Francona going on about what a great baseball town Cincy is all the while the Tiger fans are chanting "Lets Go Tigers" and if not drowning out at the very least cheering as loud as the Reds fans through out the game.

I love the Reds but for the longest time I have said Cincy is not the great baseball town so many people think it is.

Nothing uglier than another teams fan base taking over your home, it's akin to the warm up band being much better than the headliner, just ugly stuff

WVRedsFan
06-11-2012, 04:08 PM
Baseball is not football.

True. Very true. Some never get it.

George Anderson
06-11-2012, 04:18 PM
Nothing uglier than another teams fan base taking over your home, it's akin to the warm up band being much better than the headliner, just ugly stuff

I think in the past you have posted attendance numbers through out the years and other than the BRM era the stats don't show Cincy being a great baseball town.

reds44
06-11-2012, 04:34 PM
I'll take as much revnue from other teams fan as they want to give us.

Also, that meltdown was on Dusty. His use of Arredondo and Marshall was terrible.

jojo
06-11-2012, 04:34 PM
This really has been the first season that I haven't worried about the Reds at all. We know what they are and they are good.

Is it a perfect roster? No. I don't think they are the most dominant team in baseball. Are they resistant to injuries to their best players? No but not many teams are that good. Are they a legit playoff contender? Yes.

redsmetz
06-11-2012, 04:40 PM
This really has been the first season that I haven't worried about the Reds at all. We know what they are and they are good.

Is it a perfect roster? No. I don't think they are the most dominant team in baseball. Are they resistant to injuries to their best players? No but not many teams are that good. Are they a legit playoff contender? Yes.

Personally, I think when this season is said and done, this may well win the award for the best post of the entire run. Bravo.

Reds Freak
06-11-2012, 04:42 PM
I think in the past you have posted attendance numbers through out the years and other than the BRM era the stats don't show Cincy being a great baseball town.

Why is this a topic of conversation every year? Until we figure out a way to objectively measure if a city is a 'great baseball town' or not, it's a pointless discussion.

_Sir_Charles_
06-11-2012, 05:16 PM
For me, the worst part about last night was hearing our home park sound like a road game. The "lets go tigers" chant, cheering for the HBP, the fact that a visiting fan-base basically took over the stadium during a nationally televised game was flat out embarrassing. That's what did it for me. A loss is a loss, I can deal with that. The other was a flat out shame....for a first place team no less. *sigh*

Vottomatic
06-11-2012, 05:20 PM
This really has been the first season that I haven't worried about the Reds at all. We know what they are and they are good.

Is it a perfect roster? No. I don't think they are the most dominant team in baseball. Are they resistant to injuries to their best players? No but not many teams are that good. Are they a legit playoff contender? Yes.

Meh. They simply continue to look like the same team from last year and in '10. In 2010 they played in a weak division and got embarrassed in the playoffs.

They are always good. But not good enough.

I pretty much watch to see if they improve or make some moves.

westofyou
06-11-2012, 05:55 PM
Why is this a topic of conversation every year? Until we figure out a way to objectively measure if a city is a 'great baseball town' or not, it's a pointless discussion.

Probably because the term "baseball town" and "oldest professional team" is used every year by fans and media as a description of the Reds.

It's intellectually dishonest is how I see it , myth making 101

Reds Freak
06-11-2012, 11:38 PM
Probably because the term "baseball town" and "oldest professional team" is used every year by fans and media as a description of the Reds.

It's intellectually dishonest is how I see it , myth making 101

I would argue that attendance shouldn't be the sole measurement in determining a baseball town. Baseball has a rich history in Cincinnati not only with the Reds but with especially strong amateur and high school baseball as well. Just because some Detroit fans started a "Let's Go Tigers" chant doesn't make this a crappy baseball town.

westofyou
06-12-2012, 12:07 AM
I would argue that attendance shouldn't be the sole measurement in determining a baseball town. Baseball has a rich history in Cincinnati not only with the Reds but with especially strong amateur and high school baseball as well. Just because some Detroit fans started a "Let's Go Tigers" chant doesn't make this a crappy baseball town.

I'd buy that argument 25-30 years ago and the 60s and 50s were bang up years for amateur baseball in Cincinnati, but not so much now.

Still see many other places Like Oakland with Boston or NYC in town succumb to the same phenomena

And in the past Oakland was also known for high school and amateur ball, not so much now though.

AtomicDumpling
06-12-2012, 12:40 AM
A lesson in Fandom 101: If the visiting team's fans start a chant during the game, GET OFF YOUR ARSE and drown them out!

Pretty pathetic to see all the Reds fans just sitting there staring at the field during key moments of the game, especially when the Tigers fans were loudly supporting their team.

It bothers me often when Reds fans at the game just sit and watch, even during crucial opportunities to rally around the team. Watch games in other cities and see how the fans stand up and cheer when their pitcher has two strikes on a hitter, when the closer comes in to a close game, when the bases are juiced, when the winning run comes to the plate. Why do Reds fans just sit there like they are watching the game on TV? Good fans can provide an energy boost to the team and give them an edge. Our fans just sit there occupying space.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-12-2012, 03:39 AM
You know....it WAS a tough loss, but I take heart from the tigers series.

I think perhaps it reveals to Walt and Bob how much further they can go to improve the team.

I think several of the hitters gave quality at bats in a way that we have not seen out of this club all season long....Frazier opened some eyes....the reds starting pitching can go toe to toe with anybody....as good as your bullpen might be, no lead is ever safe in that ballbark....

If you think the reds are a 95 win team, I understand how you can be discouraged, but if you think they are an 85 win team that might get better, then I think that was an encouraging series.

If Walt doesn't know by now how to improve this team - and where the deficiencies continue to lie - he's not fit for the job anymore.

redsmetz
06-12-2012, 06:19 AM
A lesson in Fandom 101: If the visiting team's fans start a chant during the game, GET OFF YOUR ARSE and drown them out!

Pretty pathetic to see all the Reds fans just sitting there staring at the field during key moments of the game, especially when the Tigers fans were loudly supporting their team.

It bothers me often when Reds fans at the game just sit and watch, even during crucial opportunities to rally around the team. Watch games in other cities and see how the fans stand up and cheer when their pitcher has two strikes on a hitter, when the closer comes in to a close game, when the bases are juiced, when the winning run comes to the plate. Why do Reds fans just sit there like they are watching the game on TV? Good fans can provide an energy boost to the team and give them an edge. Our fans just sit there occupying space.

I've said this for several years. It's been a while since I've been to a game in St. Louis (haven't seen a game at the new park yet), but there crowds are absolutely electric - non-stop and loud. We are fairly pathetic in comparison. I've sometimes wondered whether we've become slaves to the scoreboard telling us when to cheer, to "make noise" and to be "LOUDER." I don't know about others, but when you try to get others around you to start a cheer ("Let's Go Reds!" or "We want a hit." or anything), it's nearly impossible. I like it when there's a group of kids nearby, maybe that rare ballteam that's come to the game, because you can get them to yell.

We really ought to make that a Redszone project, the return of spontaneous cheering and chanting.

WOY mentioned about some cities being baseball towns through and through, knothole all the way up. I think it was Lonnie Wheeler who once did a column reporting on traveling around the tri-state area one afternoon looking for pick-up games of baseball. I believe he found just one - only one.

And I agree, we need to start drowning out those there for the visiting team. Their money's good - it helps us, but don't let them show you up. Outcheer them.

camisadelgolf
06-12-2012, 07:40 AM
During the Tigers series, I got the impression that about 1/4 of the crowd were Tigers fans, but they accounted for about 1/2 of the noise. I'm kind of pulling those numbers out of my ass, but it's probably not too far off. Cincinnati fans are incredibly tame when compared to other cities'. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, but it's embarrassing to get out-supported in your home stadium.

REDREAD
06-12-2012, 10:48 AM
Probably because the term "baseball town" and "oldest professional team" is used every year by fans and media as a description of the Reds.

It's intellectually dishonest is how I see it , myth making 101

Give the Cardinals or Dodgers or any other baseball town 20 years of Carl Lindner/Marge/John Allen (or however long they were here) and they'll turn into a bad baseball town too.

Tony Cloninger
06-12-2012, 10:53 AM
If Walt doesn't know by now how to improve this team - and where the deficiencies continue to lie - he's not fit for the job anymore.

I like the trades he made for Rolen, Latos and Marshall......but at this point in time.....besides Rolen of half of 2010.....it does not looked good very good at all in regards to working out for the Reds.
Yes it is early on the other...please do not tell me this..I know this...but it is a little disturbing and his idea of creating a bench is beyond bad.
Maybe Dusty wants these type of players........ and i am sure he has some input on that...but there should be a better way to build a bench.

Tony Cloninger
06-12-2012, 10:54 AM
Give the Cardinals or Dodgers or any other baseball town 20 years of Carl Lindner/Marge/John Allen (or however long they were here) and they'll turn into a bad baseball town too.

How long can you use that excuse though. That stuff is gone. Dead and gone already.

westofyou
06-12-2012, 11:53 AM
Give the Cardinals or Dodgers or any other baseball town 20 years of Carl Lindner/Marge/John Allen (or however long they were here) and they'll turn into a bad baseball town too.

Brewers had the same mojo, they have topped 3million

Time to stop looking back, makes looking forward too hard. Something along with winning needs to bring in more fans, unsure what it is, but can see that winning won't do it alone

alexad
06-12-2012, 11:57 AM
Run for the hills the sky is falling. Dusty blew it. We are use to it. This team is in first place and there is more negative than if we were in last.

WVRedsFan
06-12-2012, 12:08 PM
I like the trades he made for Rolen, Latos and Marshall......but at this point in time.....besides Rolen of half of 2010.....it does not looked good very good at all in regards to working out for the Reds.
Yes it is early on the other...please do not tell me this..I know this...but it is a little disturbing and his idea of creating a bench is beyond bad.
Maybe Dusty wants these type of players........ and i am sure he has some input on that...but there should be a better way to build a bench.On paper, I'm sure all of this looked good. That's the problem with all of this. Sometimes things don't work out. Walt had a fantastic run in St. Louis. Everything he touched turned to gold. As you said, the rolen, Marshall, and Latos moves look good now--I'm sure Scotty will come back and contribute, Latos and Marshall will be much better--but the failure to get a real hitter in the lineup has not gone well. In St. Louis the budget never seems to be a concern, and Walt is working with not a lot of money, so we get players like Valdez, Harris, and Ludwick instead of Berkman and Holliday. I'm still hoping that we make a move or two near the deadline.

Big Klu
06-12-2012, 03:02 PM
A lesson in Fandom 101: If the visiting team's fans start a chant during the game, GET OFF YOUR ARSE and drown them out!

Pretty pathetic to see all the Reds fans just sitting there staring at the field during key moments of the game, especially when the Tigers fans were loudly supporting their team.

It bothers me often when Reds fans at the game just sit and watch, even during crucial opportunities to rally around the team. Watch games in other cities and see how the fans stand up and cheer when their pitcher has two strikes on a hitter, when the closer comes in to a close game, when the bases are juiced, when the winning run comes to the plate. Why do Reds fans just sit there like they are watching the game on TV? Good fans can provide an energy boost to the team and give them an edge. Our fans just sit there occupying space.

I guess I'm not a good fan, then. I'm not a rah-rah cheering type of person. I'm more of a thinking fan. I'm thinking about the situation, what the next move might be, what the countermove might be, the personnel available for both clubs, and so forth. It's how I enjoy the game. Sure, I'll cheer for a big play, or in anticipation of a crucial at-bat, but I'm not yelling nonstop, and I'm certainly not chanting.

I also think that it is important to be respectful and a polite guest when I watch the Reds as a visiting fan in another ballpark. So I tone it down. Less cheering and no yelling. In my opinion, it is disepectful for a visiting fan to act like he owns the place, and that behavior speaks volumes about the fans of the visiting team.

AtomicDumpling
06-12-2012, 05:53 PM
I guess I'm not a good fan, then. I'm not a rah-rah cheering type of person. I'm more of a thinking fan. I'm thinking about the situation, what the next move might be, what the countermove might be, the personnel available for both clubs, and so forth. It's how I enjoy the game. Sure, I'll cheer for a big play, or in anticipation of a crucial at-bat, but I'm not yelling nonstop, and I'm certainly not chanting.

I also think that it is important to be respectful and a polite guest when I watch the Reds as a visiting fan in another ballpark. So I tone it down. Less cheering and no yelling. In my opinion, it is disepectful for a visiting fan to act like he owns the place, and that behavior speaks volumes about the fans of the visiting team.

I agree it is great to be a thinking fan, and it is disrespectful for visiting fans to be obnoxious. But when faced with loud visiting fans you have to protect your house. It is one of the few ways the fans can actually participate in the game and make a difference in the outcome. Fans can affect the outcome by changing the energy of the game. It is an opportunity that fans in Boston, New York and Philadelphia don't miss.

reds1869
06-12-2012, 07:05 PM
I've sometimes wondered whether we've become slaves to the scoreboard telling us when to cheer, to "make noise" and to be "LOUDER."

Something that drives me nuts: when the "Make Some Noise" cue comes from the scoreboard and the crowd gets really loud, only to stop a few seconds before the pitch because the scoreboard is no longer telling them what to do.

membengal
06-17-2012, 07:23 AM
Last Sunday night sucked.

The five games after have been as sweet a way to get rid of that sensation as one could imagine.

Captain Hook
06-17-2012, 10:11 AM
Last Sunday night sucked.

The five games after have been as sweet a way to get rid of that sensation as one could imagine.

I think it also says a a lot about the team. Everyone involved had to know they were the only game on and that it was on National TV. The pitching blew the lead and the offense did nothing the final 3 innings. Add the fact that the Reds fell into a tie with the Pirates because of the loss and I'd say last Sunday night was a big wake up call. Well it appears they woke up.

jojo
06-17-2012, 10:41 AM
I think it also says a a lot about the team. Everyone involved had to know they were the only game on and that it was on National TV. The pitching blew the lead and the offense did nothing the final 3 innings. Add the fact that the Reds fell into a tie with the Pirates because of the loss and I'd say last Sunday night was a big wake up call. Well it appears they woke up.

I've never understood the gnashing of teeth when a team takes one on the chin and gets knocked onto it's behind.

Gnash at them when they can't get back up. It's the getting back up that makes watching sports so enjoyable and a faithful metaphor for life.

Think about it this way. If your team never got knocked on its arse, watching them would be like reading a novel with a plot that has no conflict. Talk about boring. It would be like following a movie star around while they pay $3000 for pillow cases at a shop on Rodeo drive-everyday.

It's the "Sunday nights" that make it possible for a season to be memorable IMHO.

Tommyjohn25
06-17-2012, 11:48 AM
I've never understood the gnashing of teeth when a team takes one on the chin and gets knocked onto it's behind.

Gnash at them when they can't get back up. It's the getting back up that makes watching sports so enjoyable and a faithful metaphor for life.

Think about it this way. If your team never got knocked on its arse, watching them would be like reading a novel with a plot that has no conflict. Talk about boring. It would be like following a movie star around while they pay $3000 for pillow cases at a shop on Rodeo drive-everyday.

It's the "Sunday nights" that make it possible for a season to be memorable IMHO.

Truer words couldn't be spoken.

You're on a roll, JoJo!

11larkin11
06-17-2012, 03:33 PM
Funny how Dusty hasn't gotten any credit for keeping the team together after that embarrassment. Usually a coach is the guy who keeps everyone's heads up and gets them focused on the next game. Not when everyone just looks for reasons to fire him.

DGullett35
06-17-2012, 03:52 PM
I think that it helps that this team is so laid back and doesn't let much anything get to them. They really have taken on Dusty's personality in that regard. Thats is what has helped them come back when it seems like they are down. If Ive learned anything at all about this 2012 team its that just when you think a tough loss is going to have a negative impact on the season this team gets right back up and plays their arse off the next day to get a win and in this case a 5 game win streak with more to come. Dusty does deserve some credit. I think hes done a pretty good job with these guys and he's been pushing all the right buttons lately esp. with Valdez. Wilson Valdez has come up huge with Stubbs and Heisey being hurt.