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JaysFanToronto
06-14-2012, 06:35 PM
Jays Fan here. I'm interested to find out about your second base prospect. I know he's a pretty good offensive player, but some "experts" suggest that his defense isn't very good. Just looking at his stats it looks like he has made definate improvement though. How would you guys evaluate his defensive tools, average above average, is his problem lack of focus?

Finally, what would you guys say his availability would be in a trade with Phillips signed long term? What would it take from my Blue Jays to get a deal done theoretically?

Thanks.

dougdirt
06-14-2012, 07:03 PM
He has actually been playing third base all year and his defense has been solid over there. Right now he is on the DL with a broken thumb (required surgery). I am sure he would be available, but I can't say how easily he would be attained. I honestly don't know how much the Reds value him.

corkedbat
06-14-2012, 07:26 PM
I'd say he could be had for Lind and maybe a prospect considering Lind's current value (maube another piece from both sides to balance it out).. I'd hope the Reds might want alot for Rodriguez considering his OBP skills, ability to switch-hit and possible hole at 3B, but by the looks of the Reds lineup/roster, they don't seem to vaue OBP much so the Jays might get him cheap.

What do you think the Jays might offer?

JaysFanToronto
06-14-2012, 07:27 PM
He has actually been playing third base all year and his defense has been solid over there. Right now he is on the DL with a broken thumb (required surgery). I am sure he would be available, but I can't say how easily he would be attained. I honestly don't know how much the Reds value him.

Thanks Doug.

What would you say your team's needs are either on the roster or orginizationally?

corkedbat
06-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Thanks Doug.

What would you say your team's needs are either on the roster or orginizationally?

Not Doug, but I'd say it would be a bat who can hit cleanup and protect Votto and a leadoff hitter to get on base consisitently ahead of Joey. LF, 3B, SS, CF (in that order). Get us a CF who can leadoff, get on base at a .350+ clip, play decent defense and maybe we'll let you have Drew Stubbs too. :D Seriously though IMO, quality corner OF (LF) bats would be our biggest need.

Do the Jays need bullpen arms?

JaysFanToronto
06-14-2012, 07:47 PM
I should preface this by saying I don't speak for all Jays fans or have no insight into the orginizations mindset.

The closest thing we have to a middle of the order hitter who could be available would be Encarnacion, and I'm not sure you guys would want to go down that road again.

If you would want Lind, we would probably throw in a prospect as a kicker. Moises Sierra is a power hitting right fielder we have in AAA. Travis Snider also has some potential but has yet to meet it.

I'd say apart from the prime time prospects like D'Aranud or Marisnick, Sierra probably has the best chance among the B prospects of being something, and Snider is still only 23.

I'm not sure how inclined the Jays would be to trade him, but I would move Escobar for a package including Rodriguez. He's a good defensive shortstop, gets on base, and can be a leadoff hitter, plus he's signed for the next 4 years at 8m total, though he;s struggling this year.

As far as bullpen arms, we do have a need with Santos out, but we need elite bullpen arms. We have a lot of crap in there aside from Jannsen, Oliver, Frasor, and Perez. Hopefully we can fill within the organization with a guy like John Stilson, or maybe even the recently drafted Marcus Stroman.

Thanks for the insight guys. I was hoping for my team to acquire Jose Altuve last year before he became a household name, and somehow I get that same feeling about Rodriguez.

DGullett35
06-14-2012, 07:55 PM
Actually right now I think Id go down the Encarnacion road again. Right now that is:)

corkedbat
06-14-2012, 07:56 PM
I should preface this by saying I don't speak for all Jays fans or have no insight into the orginizations mindset.

The closest thing we have to a middle of the order hitter who could be available would be Encarnacion, and I'm not sure you guys would want to go down that road again.

If you would want Lind, we would probably throw in a prospect as a kicker. Moises Sierra is a power hitting right fielder we have in AAA. Travis Snider also has some potential but has yet to meet it.

I'd say apart from the prime time prospects like D'Aranud or Marisnick, Sierra probably has the best chance among the B prospects of being something, and Snider is still only 23.

I'm not sure how inclined the Jays would be to trade him, but I would move Escobar for a package including Rodriguez. He's a good defensive shortstop, gets on base, and can be a leadoff hitter, plus he's signed for the next 4 years at 8m total, though he;s struggling this year.

As far as bullpen arms, we do have a need with Santos out, but we need elite bullpen arms. We have a lot of crap in there aside from Jannsen, Oliver, Frasor, and Perez. Hopefully we can fill within the organization with a guy like John Stilson, or maybe even the recently drafted Marcus Stroman.

Thanks for the insight guys. I was hoping for my team to acquire Jose Altuve last year before he became a household name, and somehow I get that same feeling about Rodriguez.

Reason I asked about relievers, they wouldn't be closer material, but we have some pretty decent middle relief guys and the brain trust might include one in a deal. I surely can't speak for the Reds, but I'd be interested in a deal that expands to include Escobar.

JaysFanToronto
06-14-2012, 07:58 PM
E5 really is hitting well this year, you're right. I just thought you guys would have bad memories about him. Right now he's arguably our best hitter FWIW

JaysFanToronto
06-14-2012, 08:06 PM
I surely can't speak for the Reds, but I'd be interested in a deal that expands to include Escobar.
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Esco's struggling this year, but he's steady defensively, is signed to a very team firendly deal, and is only a year removed from posting a .345 WOBA and 43 WAR.

I would dnot be opposed to trading him though, because we have a replacement, a guy in AAA named Hechavarria who is the shortstop of the future for us, and he's tearing the cover off the ball (albeit in the PCL).

Kelly Johnson could also be a leadoff type left fielder for you guys, but his strikeout rate is atrocious. :(

I'm surprised the Reds org doesn't seem that high on Rodriguez. Aside from the makeup concerns, is there some other reason?

camisadelgolf
06-14-2012, 08:25 PM
Speaking of EE, when the Reds got him, they also got Ruben Mateo, who is currently playing Mexican ball with a few other ex-Major Leaguers and doing quite well at age 34.

Blitz Dorsey
06-24-2012, 12:44 PM
Speaking of EE, when the Reds got him, they also got Ruben Mateo, who is currently playing Mexican ball with a few other ex-Major Leaguers and doing quite well at age 34.

Wait, can a former Major Leaguer be "playing Mexican ball" and "doing quite well" at the same time? Those things would seem to cancel each other out.

Kenny Powers agrees.

:beerme:

As for Henry Rodriguez, I'm very intrigued by him. He was having a killer year at AA before the injury. Hopefully he can get back soon. I like that he can play third or second (not just second).

Tony Cloninger
06-25-2012, 11:26 AM
I surely can't speak for the Reds, but I'd be interested in a deal that expands to include Escobar.
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Esco's struggling this year, but he's steady defensively, is signed to a very team firendly deal, and is only a year removed from posting a .345 WOBA and 43 WAR.

I would dnot be opposed to trading him though, because we have a replacement, a guy in AAA named Hechavarria who is the shortstop of the future for us, and he's tearing the cover off the ball (albeit in the PCL).

Kelly Johnson could also be a leadoff type left fielder for you guys, but his strikeout rate is atrocious. :(

I'm surprised the Reds org doesn't seem that high on Rodriguez. Aside from the makeup concerns, is there some other reason?


Who says they are not that high on him? He has been hitting everywhere he goes and I have not read anywhere about any makeup issues.

Benihana
06-25-2012, 12:16 PM
I also believe Rodriguez is somewhat undervalued, at least around here.

A 22 year old switch-hitting 3B who has OPS'd >.830 at an advanced level over the last two years is worth something. Given that he used to be a 2B, I'd assume his defense is pretty good at the hot corner. I'm looking forward to him returning from injury and seeing what he can do in AAA.

mdccclxix
07-05-2012, 11:48 PM
The Enquirer article about Henry's promotion seems to indicate he could help the big club as early as this year. One can dream of a switch hitting rookie showing up in September and making the playoff roster with a .350 average.

powersackers
07-06-2012, 02:37 AM
The Enquirer article about Henry's promotion seems to indicate he could help the big club as early as this year. One can dream of a switch hitting rookie showing up in September and making the playoff roster with a .350 average.

Playoffs? We're closer to third place now than the playoffs. Playoffs?

But ya I have high hopes for Hrod.

Hrod to third. Frazier to LF. Heisey to CF vs rhp. Rolen and Stubbs to the bench. Stubbs in CF vs lhp.

bellhead
07-06-2012, 09:20 AM
I think this sets him up for an audition next year at 3rd, allowing us to move Frazier to left. Which gives us Frazier/Bruce/Heisy/Stubbs/Hrod in a nice rotation... The problem is that Stubbs/Heisy are not getting it done right now.

corkedbat
07-07-2012, 05:42 PM
A lot depends on whether the Reds see HRod as a full-time 3B going forward or a utility guy, but I can see the Reds playing Rodriguez in the OF some at Lousiville (if he's headed down the utility path).

bellhead
07-07-2012, 06:36 PM
A lot depends on whether the Reds see HRod as a full-time 3B going forward or a utility guy, but I can see the Reds playing Rodriguez in the OF some at Lousiville (if he's headed down the utility path).

I could see him logging time at 5 positions if this is true.. RF/LF/3rd/2nd/1st....

RedlegJake
07-07-2012, 08:03 PM
I don't know with the roster problems I think Henry is here sooner than later. Rushing a bit maybe but I think they feel comfortable that the kid can hit. He has raked everywhere. Mostly where to play him. As soon as they work out what kind of deal if any they make they'll see how to set things up and how to utilize him. Maybe third, maybe sub off the bench. I think it depends on whether they can acquire anyone and who that is.

corkedbat
07-07-2012, 08:05 PM
I could see him logging time at 5 positions if this is true.. RF/LF/3rd/2nd/1st....

You probably wouldn't start him over Cozart or Gregorious, but he can play SS in a pinch. Might even still be there is the Reds weren't so deep at SS throughout the system.

Sea Ray
07-09-2012, 11:55 PM
I've said before and I'll say it again here: H Rod looks like Carlos Baerga to me. I doubt he'll win any Gold Gloves at 3B but neither will Frazier. I think they should consider rushing him to the majors if they don't do anything on the trade front. The Reds are still short a player or two in order to win this division and reaching down into the farm system is an option

mdccclxix
07-11-2012, 02:59 PM
I've said before and I'll say it again here: H Rod looks like Carlos Baerga to me. I doubt he'll win any Gold Gloves at 3B but neither will Frazier. I think they should consider rushing him to the majors if they don't do anything on the trade front. The Reds are still short a player or two in order to win this division and reaching down into the farm system is an option

I like it. Henry Rodriguez batting .300+ off the bench for this team over the course of 150+ at bats could really do wonders for this Reds team.

11larkin11
07-12-2012, 02:27 AM
I like it. Henry Rodriguez batting .300+ off the bench for this team over the course of 150+ at bats could really do wonders for this Reds team.

I think next time Rolen hits the DL, H-Rod is the guy up. I believe Fay said he probably would have been the guy up last time if he didn't get hurt.

rgslone
07-12-2012, 10:01 AM
I wonder if Rodriguez is suffering any lingering effects from his injury - physically (e.g., gripping the bat) or psychologically? It may take him him a few weeks to get back to 100% with his confidence.

Scrap Irony
07-12-2012, 01:18 PM
I'd take whatever numbers he puts up the rest of the season with a grain of salt. An injured thumb usually robs you of power for a couple months at least.

Expect poor numbers.

powersackers
07-13-2012, 05:15 PM
I'd take whatever numbers he puts up the rest of the season with a grain of salt. An injured thumb usually robs you of power for a couple months at least.

Expect poor numbers.

I thought this as well regarding Yonder Alonso. But he has never regained his power. Not even on the road.

dougdirt
07-13-2012, 08:16 PM
Alonso has noted that he has altered his swing to try and just be a hitter because he knows you aren't hitting for power in Petco. He is probably taking that same swing with him on the road, otherwise it would make things very difficult.

rgslone
07-17-2012, 10:10 AM
There's a lot of talk floating around about Rodriguez being the player called up to replace Votto. If this actually happens, however, I would be surprised. I love his hitting potential, but is he really ready now? He's only 22 and been in AAA a short time. Moreover, he's coming off a hand injury (broken bone). So, is the talk just wishful pining for a good OBP skills hitter, or is this a serious possibility?

TOBTTReds
07-17-2012, 11:24 AM
There's a lot of talk floating around about Rodriguez being the player called up to replace Votto. If this actually happens, however, I would be surprised. I love his hitting potential, but is he really ready now? He's only 22 and been in AAA a short time. Moreover, he's coming off a hand injury (broken bone). So, is the talk just wishful pining for a good OBP skills hitter, or is this a serious possibility?

He hits, flat out. Also on the 40. Would love him for a few starts a week to see what he can do, them probably go down when Votto is back. Then back up in Sept.

MikeS21
07-17-2012, 11:55 AM
E5 really is hitting well this year, you're right. I just thought you guys would have bad memories about him. Right now he's arguably our best hitter FWIW
Love that! I think "E5" was his nickname around here, too.

OesterPoster
07-17-2012, 03:14 PM
Trying to follow HRod on Twitter results in brushing up my high school Spanish...or using Google Translate:

From one of HRod's Spanish speaking friends:
"Your name is mentioned much Henry to be the player that the Reds will rise, I hope that this is a brother, very lucky."

And his response just an hour ago (not much insight...sorry):

Henry Rodríguez ‏@HenryRod39
@CMORENOLOPEZ muchas gracias brother

camisadelgolf
07-17-2012, 04:13 PM
Todd Redmond is apparently getting the call as insurance in case Cueto's blister becomes a problem early. Alfredo Simon is unavailable for the game after throwing three innings last night.

mdccclxix
07-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Was looking at some splits today, his ISO vs RHP as a LHB is something puny like .021. I don't know what that lack of power would mean in Cincinnati. It's the lowest I remember seeing. Doug, any thoughts on this? I know you've brought up his splits in the past.

dougdirt
07-23-2012, 06:38 PM
Was looking at some splits today, his ISO vs RHP as a LHB is something puny like .021. I don't know what that lack of power would mean in Cincinnati. It's the lowest I remember seeing. Doug, any thoughts on this? I know you've brought up his splits in the past.

His power is pretty limited to the pull side from both sides of the plate. Makes sense, he isn't a big guy, so turning his hips is going to allow him to get the most power he can.

In 2010 he was more powerful as a lefty. In 2011 he showed more power as a righty. Right now, I wouldn't worry too much about his power. We don't know much about how Pensacola plays just yet, just rumors from players who have been there (where they say its very tough to hit it out to right field). In Louisville he is coming off of a hand injury, so take that with a bit of a grain of salt as well.

mdccclxix
07-23-2012, 06:42 PM
Thanks. Being AVG dependent, I'm still concerned we see his mlb AVG drop, thus his real value at the plate. Where I was once ready to see him in Cincy right away, I can understand if we don't until NEXT September or later as he refines all areas of his game and perhaps runs into some more power.

TOBTTReds
07-25-2012, 01:30 PM
Thanks. Being AVG dependent, I'm still concerned we see his mlb AVG drop, thus his real value at the plate. Where I was once ready to see him in Cincy right away, I can understand if we don't until NEXT September or later as he refines all areas of his game and perhaps runs into some more power.

No real reason to not bring him up this Sept though. Switch hitter, could always use a PR for Scotty or catchers.

Jamz
07-27-2012, 10:24 AM
Personally I know that Snider was mentioned in this topic and I would do something with Rodriguez for Snider. Snider is still young, is a left fielder and has hit at every level. I would take him on this team.

Scrap Irony
07-29-2012, 11:46 AM
An interesting side note to Rodriguez-- the kids almost never makes an error. Really, really sure hands. Four E's all year. In that respect, he's the anti-EdE.

rgslone
07-29-2012, 05:04 PM
An interesting side note to Rodriguez-- the kids almost never makes an error. Really, really sure hands. Four E's all year. In that respect, he's the anti-EdE.

Do you think he has the glove and arm to be an average defensive MLB 3B? Also, do you think he projects better at 2B or 3B?

Scrap Irony
07-30-2012, 12:06 AM
Not a great arm, but he can get it to 1B from 3B.

At 2B, he's short a step in range, IMO.

I'd personally play him at 2B, watch him go .310/ .350/ .450, and deal with the lack of range. He has really sure hands and won't screw up what he gets to.

But Phillips is there. So that won't work.

The next most logical move, IMO, is to play him everywhere on the infield. 2B, SS, 3B-- pull a Tony Phillips.

RedlegJake
07-30-2012, 03:30 AM
The next most logical move, IMO, is to play him everywhere on the infield. 2B, SS, 3B-- pull a Tony Phillips.

That's what I see ideally for Henry if he sticks with the Reds and isn't traded. Votto first base, BP at second, Zack at short, Todd at third, Didi the defensive specialist backing SS and HRod the play everywhere sub and switch hitter off the bench. That's a darn good infield and pretty good bench too. HRod would still get 400 ABs in that arrangement if can play some left too.

If Zack doesn't get is stroke back he might just lose that starting job to Didi though, if Didi keeps hitting with some pop and can maintain a higher average and OBP. I'd see Zack getting traded then - I don't really envision him as a bench player for some reason..

rgslone
07-30-2012, 10:27 AM
That's what I see ideally for Henry if he sticks with the Reds and isn't traded. Votto first base, BP at second, Zack at short, Todd at third, Didi the defensive specialist backing SS and HRod the play everywhere sub and switch hitter off the bench. That's a darn good infield and pretty good bench too. HRod would still get 400 ABs in that arrangement if can play some left too.

If Zack doesn't get is stroke back he might just lose that starting job to Didi though, if Didi keeps hitting with some pop and can maintain a higher average and OBP. I'd see Zack getting traded then - I don't really envision him as a bench player for some reason..

Sounds like a pretty nice plan to me. From what Scrap Irony said, HRod's defense as a full-time starter may not be ideal at any one position; but if he continues to hit as he always has he needs to be on the field somewhere. My question on that, however, is can you really get him 400 ABs in that role. Assuming he hits at the ML level comparable to what he has done in the minors, then you're going to want him hitting in the lienup most days. So, I come back to the idea that maybe you start him at 3B (or where ever) and live with any slight deficiency that may exist defensively. I don't know which way will work best, but I'm excited about a switch hitter in the pipeline who makes excellent contact - any team (this year's team for example) could certainly use one (or two) of those guys.

As for Didi being a defensive specialist, I think that he's probably shown enough already to say that's likely his floor. I think he's got a good chance to end up being a top 1/3 starting SS in the league. If that happens, I believe he or Cozart would have to be traded. At that point, both Cozart and Didi would be too valuable to put one on the bench when they could bring a good return in a trade - good defensive SS who can hit don't grow on trees, and I think both will hit. Also, you wouldn't want to move either off of SS - their defense is too good and their bats wouldn't play as well anywhere else (i.e., they lose a ton of value at another position).

Scrap Irony
07-30-2012, 10:58 AM
I'd deal one of Cozart or Gregorius soon. Trade Value 101 says that you deal them at their highest point, if possible. Playing bench jockey isn't very high, even if it is at the major league level.

Rodriguez, otoh, could very well get 400 ABs in a super-sub role. Phillips is gettinng older and Rodriguez, because he's a switch-hitter, could let him rest once or twice a week. With Cozart, it's about match-ups and getting a better offensive player in the game. With Frazier, it could be rest, or it could allow Frazier to spell Votto at 1B, Ludwick (or whomever) in LF, and Bruce (or whomever) in RF. If Bruce sits for most southpaws, you're now talking somewhere between 400-500 ABs in the second hole being manned by a guy that has doubles power, a high BA, and doesn't K much at all.

As an added bonus, the versatility of both Rodriguez and Frazier should allow the Reds to add a PH specialist who needs not play the field all that much-- a professional hitter/ DH type for late-game situations or games against AL teams away. (Think Jason Giambi.) It's a luxury to have, but may mean the difference in close games throughout the year. You'd play Heisey (or whomever) as a CF backup (who can also play the other corner OF spots) and whatever backup catcher needed to round out the bench. There's not a weak sister in that bench.

rgslone
07-30-2012, 01:37 PM
I enjoy the opinions being shared here. I think speculating about HRod's future use at the MLB level is not only entertaining, but also a topic ripe for discussion now that he is in AAA and performing well. That means he's on the cusp, and soon he's going to be considered either a 4A type player or a major league contributor (etiher for the Reds or someone else).

RedlegJake
07-30-2012, 03:30 PM
HRod's bat should play well but his somewhat limited homer power and his average but adequate defense at several positions just screams super sub to me. That's not a negative either - that's a really valuable player. Infield outfield plus he switch hits - lefty - righty, any kind of match up, any place on the field you need him except catcher and maybe center field. Yeah, he'd play almost as much as a regular.

Cozart and Gregorious - if DiDi's bat continues to develop I think I agree with Scrap - there's so much value in trade you about have to move one of them while that value is high. If Didi doesn't improve much as a hitter he's still a great sub for SS just as he is, though, it's a can't lose situation for the Reds.

Scrap Irony
07-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Rodriguez profiles as a 10-15 HR bat, with ceiling projections at about 20. It's not like he's got no pop at all. A .310/ .350/ /425 number two hitter who rarely strikes out is really, really valuable, especially at a position like 3B. I think Frazier's season makes him much more likely to start at that spot next season, but this is fairly new territory for him. The majors are littered with guys who went Joe Charbineau for a year before settling into mediocrity.

At this point, Rodriguez is a great bat to stash in AAA or as a super-sub for 2013. If Frazier is dealt or struggles next season, I absolutely think Rodriguez can step in and step up.

rgslone
07-30-2012, 05:09 PM
Rodriguez profiles as a 10-15 HR bat, with ceiling projections at about 20. It's not like he's got no pop at all. A .310/ .350/ /425 number two hitter who rarely strikes out is really, really valuable, especially at a position like 3B. I think Frazier's season makes him much more likely to start at that spot next season, but this is fairly new territory for him. The majors are littered with guys who went Joe Charbineau for a year before settling into mediocrity.

At this point, Rodriguez is a great bat to stash in AAA or as a super-sub for 2013. If Frazier is dealt or struggles next season, I absolutely think Rodriguez can step in and step up.

I just don't know about a guy like that hitting 2nd for the Reds. You don't want Joey Votto to be put in a state of shock. I mean what's he supposed to think when he comes to the plate and somebody in front of him actually got on base?

j_m_t_us
08-07-2012, 04:29 PM
Whats going on with Henry as he looks to be really struggling at Louisville over the last 10 games going 6 for 40 and batting .150? Even Didi has cooled off recently!

dougdirt
08-07-2012, 05:55 PM
Whats going on with Henry as he looks to be really struggling at Louisville over the last 10 games going 6 for 40 and batting .150? Even Didi has cooled off recently!

Just the normal ups and downs of a season. Everyone goes through ups and downs.

Tom Servo
08-07-2012, 06:10 PM
From what I'm reading, is Placido Polanco a comp for H-Rod?

Steve4192
08-08-2012, 09:05 AM
I'd personally play him at 2B, watch him go .310/ .350/ .450, and deal with the lack of range. He has really sure hands and won't screw up what he gets to.

But Phillips is there. So that won't work.

The next most logical move, IMO, is to play him everywhere on the infield. 2B, SS, 3B-- pull a Tony Phillips.

That is a REALLY optimistic projection. There are only 10 active major leaguers who currently maintain a 310 career batting average. I like HRod, but I doubt he'll be one of the elite BA hitters in the game. I expect something more along the lines of 290/330/410. That makes him a useful player, but given his deficiencies with the glove, not a guy I would want to pencil into the lineup everyday. I see him more as the Reds version of Jose Oquendo, the perfect Swiss Army knife to have sitting on your bench ready to step in and replace just about anyone.

Steve4192
08-08-2012, 09:15 AM
From what I'm reading, is Placido Polanco a comp for H-Rod?

The difference between Polanco and HRod is Polanco is a plus defender. He was an asset in the field, not just adequate. With the bat, the obvious difference is that HRod is a switch hitter and Polanco is not. Aside from those two quibbles, I could see Polanco being at the upper end of HRod's projection.

Benihana
08-21-2012, 03:19 PM
So I'm gathering from this thread there isn't a major difference between his hitting against lefties vs. righties?

What might be interesting is if Ludwick declines his option and seeks a huge payday elsewhere, move Frazier to LF and bring in Kevin Youkilis on a hometown deal to play 3B against lefties and let Rodriguez spell him against tough righties and inevitably when Youk suffers an injury.