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wvreds
06-16-2012, 04:51 PM
Cozart 6
Valdez 8
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Frazier 5
Ludwick 7
Mesoraco 2
Bailey 1

vs Jon Niese

RedsFanInBama
06-16-2012, 05:13 PM
Hopefully homer can give us a QS. If he does, I like our chances with the way we're swinging it.

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 05:58 PM
Is heisey coming back soon or is he gonna go on the DL?

GoReds19
06-16-2012, 07:25 PM
Is heisey coming back soon or is he gonna go on the DL?

Probably gonna wait 7 or 8 days then put him on the DL.

texasdave
06-16-2012, 07:26 PM
Probably gonna wait 7 or 8 days then put him on the DL.

A tweak = a week.

Ironman92
06-16-2012, 07:54 PM
Probably gonna wait 7 or 8 days then put him on the DL.

*10 or 11

The Rage
06-16-2012, 08:13 PM
Hopefully goodBailey shows up today. I always worry about the dude after extra time off.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 08:15 PM
A tweak = a week.

Nice Reds jingo

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 08:20 PM
Valdez has got SEC speed

The Rage
06-16-2012, 08:20 PM
Damn Votto owned........

malcontent
06-16-2012, 08:21 PM
Why is Bruce at 5 against the lefty?

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 08:23 PM
Jay Bruuuuuuuccccee

malcontent
06-16-2012, 08:23 PM
OK.

xsteve1
06-16-2012, 08:24 PM
Brucester...hopefully he goes on one of his hot steaks for a couple weeks.

Who Dey Time
06-16-2012, 08:24 PM
Bruce crushes a 0-2 pitch. 3-0 good guys.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 08:25 PM
Hopefully is due for his next boom. Will push his OPS over .900 before the next slump.

AnythingCincy
06-16-2012, 08:34 PM
Great come back by Homer

Red Raindog
06-16-2012, 08:37 PM
Oh lucky me -- blacked out again & get the Cubs AGAIN

The Rage
06-16-2012, 08:45 PM
Bailey's velocity/movement is punk tonight. Compare it to the Tigers game and there is no comparison.

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 08:46 PM
Mets playing tee ball against Bailey. Gonna need at least 6 runs to win this one

The Rage
06-16-2012, 08:51 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the DL isn't calling for Bailey soon. Guy has nothing. Probably have to at least attempt him in the pen.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 08:59 PM
Oh lucky me -- blacked out again & get the Cubs AGAIN

Same for me - don't get it. Two teams going nowhere black out two teams currently in contention.

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 09:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the DL isn't calling for Bailey soon. Guy has nothing. Probably have to at least attempt him in the pen.

Hasn't he been pitching QS stuff this year? Sounds like your talking about Leake.

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 09:05 PM
Same for me - don't get it. Two teams going nowhere black out two teams currently in contention.

MLB.tv has me blacked out as well. I was looking forward to chillin' on the couch and watching the game.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:08 PM
Hasn't he been pitching QS stuff this year? Sounds like your talking about Leake.

QS is about all Bailey has had. He pitched better in mid-May than he is now. Those 91-92mph heaters sure are something!!!! I don't know if he is gassed, emasculated or hurt, but his pure stuff is bad right now.

If he is emasculated, he needs to turn to Baker/Price, smile and start jacking up 95-98mph stuff damned if it hits the plate at the right spot or not, would be alot more fun to watch......

I would swap Chapman and Bailey for a few weeks.

AnythingCincy
06-16-2012, 09:08 PM
Bailey has nothing tonight

AnythingCincy
06-16-2012, 09:12 PM
That pitch was right down the middle. Mes wanted that ball up.

Red Raindog
06-16-2012, 09:12 PM
I can't see what is going on but I like how he's finding ways to wriggle out trouble.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:12 PM
Bailey has nothing tonight

Yeah, his fastball is crap tonight. Just awful. I would put him in the pen with Marshall and see if that will revive it. That will give Chapman some starts and we can see that.

The Mets should be ashamed of themselves for this performance.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 09:14 PM
Bailey has nothing tonight

33 strikes on a total of 47 pitches, that's good stuff. Better than a 2:1 strike to ball ratio.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:18 PM
33 strikes on a total of 47 pitches, that's good stuff. Better than a 2:1 strike to ball ratio.

Decent command, but nothing behind it. I would take a fireballing madman with iffy control over this garbage. The Mets just aren't hitting well.

Stray
06-16-2012, 09:19 PM
Ludwick just keeps on driving in runs.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 09:21 PM
Decent command, but nothing behind it. I would take a fireballing madman with iffy control over this garbage. The Mets just aren't hitting well.

Right now the "garbage" is delivering and keeping the runs off the board. I'll take that over velocity without control any day.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 09:22 PM
Know how Mes feels - played today and every ball I hit seemed to go right to someone's glove!

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 09:23 PM
Wow this team actually with a good bunt

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:23 PM
Right now the "garbage" is delivering and keeping the runs off the board. I'll take that over velocity without control any day.

Bailey will be rocked in the 4-6th inning. You can take that to the bank with that stuff. Pee you.

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 09:24 PM
Decent command, but nothing behind it. I would take a fireballing madman with iffy control over this garbage. The Mets just aren't hitting well.

He does have better stuff, yet if he's pitching the way he has leave him in the rotation.

I'm with you on Chapman. If we would see him start I'd be totally for it. I just don't see it happening unless someone goes on the DL longterm.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 09:26 PM
Niese already at 84 pitches

wvreds
06-16-2012, 09:28 PM
Cozart simply gets worse as time goes on at the plate

Brisco
06-16-2012, 09:29 PM
Ok... after looking at some other fan pages, I guess it is pretty normal for about 25% of the active participants to be predominantly negative in their posts.

I think i am gonna start a page called reversetrash.com so we can refer the debbie downers there. Can you imagine?

Fans of both sides going back and forth making negative comments about BOTH teams?:

"Our pitcher sucks today... you guys are sure to win."
"No way... our pitcher has waayyyy less than your pitcher"
"Uh uh... our pitcher is worse... its your hitters that are bad today."
"you got to be kidding me? High school hitters would have scored at least 10 runs against our pitcher by now."

... and so on.

:p

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 09:29 PM
Cozart simply gets worse as time goes on at the plate

He just struggles with RISP

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 09:31 PM
Cozart simply gets worse as time goes on at the plate

Yeah, those 3 hits Thursday, the two last night and one tonight, lets see that's six hits in 21/2 days. Right just a fluke.

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 09:31 PM
Was the Bruce Hit by pitch intentional? I only have radio.

With all the talk I'm wondering if the Mets are gunning.

wvreds
06-16-2012, 09:32 PM
Forgot to put RISP in my last post, he is worse with the RISP, not at the plate in general

Brisco
06-16-2012, 09:33 PM
Bailey will be rocked in the 4-6th inning. You can take that to the bank with that stuff. Pee you.


What exactly will you be rooting for during those innings, I wonder?

Votto4MVP
06-16-2012, 09:34 PM
Bailey will be rocked in the 4-6th inning. You can take that to the bank with that stuff. Pee you.

Well not in the 4th. 8 pitch inning.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:34 PM
What exactly will you be rooting for during those innings, I wonder?

I will be rooting for a miracle.......

Brisco
06-16-2012, 09:34 PM
Was the Bruce Hit by pitch intentional? I only have radio.

With all the talk I'm wondering if the Mets are gunning.

According to ORG thread... the pitch might have actually hit the end of his bat, so I doubt he was thrown at.

Votto4MVP
06-16-2012, 09:35 PM
I will be rooting for a miracle.......

What do you call that inning, a miracle?

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 09:38 PM
Niese has owned Votto

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:39 PM
What do you call that inning, a miracle?

I call it bottom of the order.....

Brisco
06-16-2012, 09:40 PM
Niese has owned Votto

I would not call a .333 OBP in the game "owning" a player. Not up to Votto normal standards... but "owned"?

If that is "owned" what would a .200 OBP be?... or what would a "0.00" OBP be?

wvreds
06-16-2012, 09:41 PM
You would think Niese is Cy Young to Votto, everybody has that one guy they dont do as well against, and Votto dosent have many but Niese is one

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 09:43 PM
So much for Niese running his pitch count up. Reds with a 7 pitch inning. Ouch.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 09:44 PM
I call it bottom of the order.....

huh - thought Homer had nothing tonight. Just not against the bottom three, than?

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:46 PM
Wright about had him. What a hitter..........

Votto4MVP
06-16-2012, 09:46 PM
I call it bottom of the order.....

13 pitch inning against the top of the order. What do you have to say about that?

Brisco
06-16-2012, 09:46 PM
huh - thought Homer had nothing tonight. Just not against the bottom three, than?

Or the top three, I guess.

Innings 4 and 5 are Homers first 1,2,3 innings.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 09:51 PM
Neise getting the Reds out easily now

brm7675
06-16-2012, 09:55 PM
I would not call a .333 OBP in the game "owning" a player. Not up to Votto normal standards... but "owned"?

If that is "owned" what would a .200 OBP be?... or what would a "0.00" OBP be?

Any pitcher that can strike Votto out twice in a game is owning him.

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 09:58 PM
Any pitcher that can strike Votto out twice in a game is owning him.

By Votto standards. Stubby gets owned every other game....though he hasn't stuck out lately....

Brisco
06-16-2012, 09:59 PM
Hopefully goodBailey shows up today. I always worry about the dude after extra time off.


Nice Reds jingo


Damn Votto owned........


Hopefully is due for his next boom. Will push his OPS over .900 before the next slump.


Bailey's velocity/movement is punk tonight. Compare it to the Tigers game and there is no comparison.


I wouldn't be surprised if the DL isn't calling for Bailey soon. Guy has nothing. Probably have to at least attempt him in the pen.


QS is about all Bailey has had. He pitched better in mid-May than he is now. Those 91-92mph heaters sure are something!!!! I don't know if he is gassed, emasculated or hurt, but his pure stuff is bad right now.

If he is emasculated, he needs to turn to Baker/Price, smile and start jacking up 95-98mph stuff damned if it hits the plate at the right spot or not, would be alot more fun to watch......

I would swap Chapman and Bailey for a few weeks.


Yeah, his fastball is crap tonight. Just awful. I would put him in the pen with Marshall and see if that will revive it. That will give Chapman some starts and we can see that.

The Mets should be ashamed of themselves for this performance.


Decent command, but nothing behind it. I would take a fireballing madman with iffy control over this garbage. The Mets just aren't hitting well.


Bailey will be rocked in the 4-6th inning. You can take that to the bank with that stuff. Pee you.


I will be rooting for a miracle.......


I call it bottom of the order.....


Wright about had him. What a hitter..........


Neise getting the Reds out easily now


15 total posts this thread ... is a single one actually positive about the team you supposedly root for? Even the Bruce comments ends with "before his next slump"

The ONLY truly positive post was about David Wright, who does not play for the Reds.

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 10:00 PM
Big time effort by Homer.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:01 PM
15 total posts this thread ... is a single one actually positive about the team you supposedly root for? Even the Bruce comments ends with "before his next slump"

The ONLY truly positive post was about David Wright, who does not play for the Reds.

Any 3 run hr by Jay Bruce is a monster positive, but he is a streaky, streaky player at this point in his career. You have to accept reality in that situation.

Fwiw, the Mets are having a real bad night at the plate. Bailey had nothing again that inning and they let him slide by. Amazing. They ought to show Mike Leake, I bet he is grinning ear to ear.

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 10:01 PM
Bailey will be rocked in the 4-6th inning. You can take that to the bank with that stuff. Pee you.

Wow. Homer gives up one hard hit ball in those three innings - talk about getting rocked! :laugh:

Your bank has terrible rates.

Brisco
06-16-2012, 10:02 PM
Bailey will be rocked in the 4-6th inning. You can take that to the bank with that stuff. Pee you.

Man, I feel for you Rage.... it must really suck when your team does well.

;)

Kcbuckeye22
06-16-2012, 10:02 PM
Another complete game for Homer?

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 10:02 PM
Wow. Homer gives up one hard hit ball in those three innings - talk about getting rocked! :laugh:

Your bank has terrible rates.

Ignore the guy. There's more important stuff going on.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:04 PM
Mes needed that. It is like having a cig after 5 years.......

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 10:11 PM
Cowboy just said Hanigan was behind the plate - did he sub for Mesoraco?

Never mind he just corrected himself.

Brisco
06-16-2012, 10:14 PM
Fwiw, the Mets are having a real bad night at the plate. Bailey had nothing again that inning and they let him slide by. Amazing. They ought to show Mike Leake, I bet he is grinning ear to ear.

Ahhh... the old flip flopping suckiness argument.

Clause 1. Our team/offense/defense/player sucks.
Clause 2. If by chance our team/offense/defense/player performs well, then the opposing team/offense/defense/player sucks even more.

Similar to the shifting coach argument:

Clause 1. Our Coach sucks.
Clause 2. If by chance the team is in first place, then the argument becomes "with those players, any coach would be in first place"

Which is often made by the same poster as the inevitably bad GM argument:

Clause 1. Our GM is bad, lazy or senile.
Clause 2. If the team is winning, then the GM is temporarily lucky and sure to screw things up in the very near future.

In this bizarro paradigm, the ONLY relevant statistics are ones that reflect negatively on you team/coach/players/gm.

I hope you are young, because the 70's would have been a very difficult era for you.

Votto4MVP
06-16-2012, 10:16 PM
What do you got now rage?

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 10:16 PM
Homer cruises through the 7th as well

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 10:17 PM
That's two terrific efforts in a row by Homer against big time left handed hitting teams. Let's not blow this one. Pitching is the name of the game.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:19 PM
What do you got now rage?

The Mets are having a bad bad night at the plate. Meh velocity, a non-existant slider..........I think what has saved Bailey tonight is the splitter/changeup thing he throws......unlike the Pirates game. You can't tell if it is a fastball or not. When he has it going on, he can have far better games than he should.

If he ever got his velocity/slider going, then I would be a Bailey fan. Right now he is Arroyo/Leake. Bleh.

Red Raindog
06-16-2012, 10:20 PM
The Mets are having a bad bad night at the plate. Meh velocity, a non-existant slider..........I think what has saved Bailey tonight is the splitter/changeup thing he throws......unlike the Pirates game. You can't tell if it is a fastball or not. When he has it going on, he can have far better games than he should.

If he ever got his velocity/slider going, then I would be a Bailey fan. Right now he is Arroyo/Leake. Bleh.

So he does have something ----

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:31 PM
Luddite!!!!

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 10:31 PM
Dudstick delivers

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 10:32 PM
It seems like I'm always watching Ludwick hit into an inning ending base loaded double play. That hurt.

malcontent
06-16-2012, 10:32 PM
Big DP there.

That could have been the nails in the coffin.

Who Dey Time
06-16-2012, 10:33 PM
The Mets are having a bad bad night at the plate. Meh velocity, a non-existant slider..........I think what has saved Bailey tonight is the splitter/changeup thing he throws......unlike the Pirates game. You can't tell if it is a fastball or not. When he has it going on, he can have far better games than he should.

If he ever got his velocity/slider going, then I would be a Bailey fan. Right now he is Arroyo/Leake. Bleh.

Careful Rage....you're getting dangerously close to sounding like Maker. That isn't a place you want to occupy.

malcontent
06-16-2012, 10:34 PM
Just wondering....when he runs to 1B, does Ludwick do that weird thing with his arms that he does on his taters?

malcontent
06-16-2012, 10:35 PM
Time to pull him.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:36 PM
2nd time Bailey has faked Wright out with 2 strikes up, 3 straight balls and then a spitter he mistimed.........

Tough decision for Dusty. I would give him the ball, but 1 baserunner, hr whatever, Chapman.

Red Raindog
06-16-2012, 10:36 PM
2nd time Bailey has faked Wright out with 2 strikes up, 3 straight balls and then a spitter he mistimed.........

is that a good thing?

Who Dey Time
06-16-2012, 10:37 PM
Nice play by Valdez. I say let Homer finish it!

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 10:38 PM
Sign that guy Valdez up.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:39 PM
Don't forget the park we are playing in either. Homer was shelled that inning. I think the Wright one would have been caught in GAB, but the Duda one would have been in the stands.

brm7675
06-16-2012, 10:40 PM
This may be the best game I have seen Homer pitch. It's on the road against a team that just destroyed the Rays pitching staff.

malcontent
06-16-2012, 10:42 PM
I'm ready to see Dione Navarro.

Red Raindog
06-16-2012, 10:42 PM
Don't forget the park we are playing in either. Homer was shelled that inning.

yeah -- I hate those runs they scored.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Who Dey Time
06-16-2012, 10:42 PM
Don't forget the park we are playing in either. Homer was shelled that inning. I think the Wright one would have been caught in GAB, but the Duda one would have been in the stands.

Give it up. Homer has done very well tonight. Your Maker like excuses are pathetic.

Ohayou
06-16-2012, 10:44 PM
Willie Harris, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams...

:laugh:

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:45 PM
Give it up. Homer has done very well tonight. Your Maker like excuses are pathetic.

Homer did ok. Mets/park/luck inflated that start. I bet JC could throw a far better game tomorrow and still not get that statline.

I am as happy with the outcome(if Chapman closes properly......which lately has been iffy) as the next man. No complaints.

malcontent
06-16-2012, 10:46 PM
This could easily have been a different ballgame.

Davis and Wright each put two balls on the warning track.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:47 PM
This could easily have been a different ballgame.

Davis and Wright each put two balls on the warning track.

Gotta love the big park. Latos sure did in San Diego:laugh:

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 10:50 PM
Chapman only throwing 95?

Tadasimha
06-16-2012, 10:51 PM
Homer did ok. Mets/park/luck inflated that start. I bet JC could throw a far better game tomorrow and still not get that statline.

I am as happy with the outcome(if Chapman closes properly......which lately has been iffy) as the next man. No complaints.

:eek::lol:

The Rage
06-16-2012, 10:52 PM
Chapman only throwing 95?

using alot of sliders as well......come on Chappy. Why is it when a Reds pitcher moves to closer, they start sucking? First Marshall, now Chapman. Mercy.

R_Webb18
06-16-2012, 10:52 PM
Chapman only throwing 95?

he does that

Maker_84
06-16-2012, 10:55 PM
Struggling

Who Dey Time
06-16-2012, 10:56 PM
:beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme:

10-over .500. Still 4 games up on PIT and STL with Ace going tomorrow!

malcontent
06-16-2012, 10:57 PM
:beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme::beerme:

10-over .500. Still 4 games up on PIT and STL with Ace going tomorrow!
Very nice.

Mutaman
06-16-2012, 10:58 PM
And the star of the game is :

Good old Homer. Big effort in the Big Apple. As Admiral Spruitz said in the Battle of Midway: "I want that third carrier."

GoReds19
06-16-2012, 11:02 PM
Decent command, but nothing behind it. I would take a fireballing madman with iffy control over this garbage. The Mets just aren't hitting well.

Sounds like you want Volquez back.

The Rage
06-16-2012, 11:03 PM
Sounds like you want Volquez back.

Gotta admit, he was more exciting to watch. Never knew what was going to happen.

brm7675
06-16-2012, 11:04 PM
Homer did ok. Mets/park/luck inflated that start. I bet JC could throw a far better game tomorrow and still not get that statline.

I am as happy with the outcome(if Chapman closes properly......which lately has been iffy) as the next man. No complaints.

Nets swept destroyed Rays before this series..
Citi field moved in thier fences..
No suck thing as luck...
Homer pitched a gem...

brm7675
06-16-2012, 11:06 PM
Gotta love the big park. Latos sure did in San Diego:laugh:

Citi field isn't a large park anymore...

brm7675
06-16-2012, 11:07 PM
using alot of sliders as well......come on Chappy. Why is it when a Reds pitcher moves to closer, they start sucking? First Marshall, now Chapman. Mercy.

I don't think Megs would agree with you...

R_Webb18
06-16-2012, 11:09 PM
Citi field isn't a large park anymore...

yes it is

brm7675
06-17-2012, 12:16 AM
yes it is

No its not the fences were moved in..its not GABP, but not like Perform or other large parks.

Brisco
06-17-2012, 01:24 AM
And the star of the game is :

Good old Homer. Big effort in the Big Apple. As Admiral Spruitz said in the Battle of Midway: "I want that third carrier."

Ummm Nimitz said "I want that FOURTH carrier" since they sank three in a single bombing wave.... but I get the idea.

:beerme:

R_Webb18
06-17-2012, 01:34 AM
No its not the fences were moved in..its not GABP, but not like Perform or other large parks.

its large look it up