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cincrazy
06-24-2012, 05:29 PM
What a crap week huh? Worst of the worst. I made a big mistake at my new job. That sucked. I broke up with my girlfriend. That sucked even worse. And the Reds lost five out of six games. Which was icing on the cake for a craptastic week.

With the week I've had, after Chapman gave up that homer to Willingham, I was prone to give up on the season and wallow in my misery. But you know what? Reality set in.

How many times throughout the 2000s would we have killed to have a team like this? Every single freaking year. We have the best hitter in baseball. An ace pitcher. A good, young core. Yes, some holes and some warts. But which team doesn't?

Bottom line, we will be fine. The sky is not falling. The world is not coming to an end. There's not a zombie plague taking over the world (ok, maybe I can't be that sure on that last part).

Part of the reason we get so upset over games like this is because we expect this team to be so great. And how awesome is that? Where, for once, we EXPECT to win games? I know maybe this is different for some of you that grew up watching the Big Red Machine, but for me, a 27 year old who grew up watching John Reidling groove fastballs to Albert Pujols, this still feels pretty damn good.

We are relevant again. And will be for a while. This is NOT 2003. Or 2004. Or 2005. Or 2006. Or 2007. etc. This week will not define this season. We will not finish below .500. Maybe we're not the best team (and granted, that's what we all strive for). But we're a hell of a lot better off than most teams in baseball, right? So during this week, when many of us are crying in our beer, or Pepsi, or whatever you use to soothe the taste of defeat, let's try to think about what we have to be thankful for, instead of what keeps us awake at night (here's looking at you, Chris Heisey).

What am I thankful for?

The best first baseman and second baseman in the league, respectfully. An ace in Cueto. One of the best live arms in the game in Chapman. Scott Rolen's veteran presence, and getting to watch one of the best 3B of his era gracefully close out his career in a Reds uni. A solid rotation. A good bullpen. FANTASTIC defense. A fan base that continues to come out of the woodwork, slowly but surely. And a ton of good friends to discuss the ups and downs with on the best site on the world wide web :).

Take heart, Reds fans. This week was bad. But we've seen worst.

GO REDS! :beerme:

HeatherC1212
06-24-2012, 05:37 PM
This week has truly sucked but I agree that better days are coming for our guys and that the season is not over after one bad week. I'm still feeling positive about this team (warts and all :p) and hey, I'm happy that if they were only going to win one game of this Twins series, they made it the one I was at yesterday which was a pretty fun afternoon for me, LOL :lol:

Vottomatic
06-24-2012, 05:40 PM
This team is 2 years away.

Fun to watch their development, but they still aren't built well enough to win it all, which is the goal.

cincrazy
06-24-2012, 05:42 PM
This team is 2 years away.

Fun to watch their development, but they still aren't built well enough to win it all, which is the goal.

We don't know that. Giants fans didn't think they were going to win it all in June of 2010. Or Cardinals fans last year at any point during the summer. Things change, and they change fast.

mth123
06-24-2012, 05:42 PM
:thumbup:

cincrazy
06-24-2012, 05:44 PM
A week ago, everyone thought this team was going to win the World Series. Now, everybody thinks the Cubs are going to catch us at some point.

DGullett35
06-24-2012, 05:52 PM
A week ago, everyone thought this team was going to win the World Series. Now, everybody thinks the Cubs are going to catch us at some point.

I agree with everything you have said. Nice thread. Very much needed after this week the team has had. We will be fine in the long run. Every team has a bad stretch. lets get em tomm. We can put the Brewers completely out of the division after these 3 games just like they did us before the all-star break last year. Im looking for Latos to have a big game tomm.

cincrazy
06-24-2012, 05:54 PM
I agree with everything you have said. Nice thread. Very much needed after this week the team has had. We will be fine in the long run. Every team has a bad stretch. lets get em tomm. We can put the Brewers completely out of the division after these 3 games just like they did us before the all-star break last year. Im looking for Latos to have a big game tomm.

Agreed :). How about 2 of 3 or a sweep of the Brewers, then a 6-4 or 7-3 west coast trip. Sounds like a good way to go into the All Star break.

Big Klu
06-24-2012, 06:12 PM
What a crap week huh? Worst of the worst. I made a big mistake at my new job. That sucked. I broke up with my girlfriend. That sucked even worse. And the Reds lost five out of six games. Which was icing on the cake for a craptastic week.

With the week I've had, after Chapman gave up that homer to Willingham, I was prone to give up on the season and wallow in my misery. But you know what? Reality set in.

How many times throughout the 2000s would we have killed to have a team like this? Every single freaking year. We have the best hitter in baseball. An ace pitcher. A good, young core. Yes, some holes and some warts. But which team doesn't?

Bottom line, we will be fine. The sky is not falling. The world is not coming to an end. There's not a zombie plague taking over the world (ok, maybe I can't be that sure on that last part).

Part of the reason we get so upset over games like this is because we expect this team to be so great. And how awesome is that? Where, for once, we EXPECT to win games? I know maybe this is different for some of you that grew up watching the Big Red Machine, but for me, a 27 year old who grew up watching John Reidling groove fastballs to Albert Pujols, this still feels pretty damn good.

We are relevant again. And will be for a while. This is NOT 2003. Or 2004. Or 2005. Or 2006. Or 2007. etc. This week will not define this season. We will not finish below .500. Maybe we're not the best team (and granted, that's what we all strive for). But we're a hell of a lot better off than most teams in baseball, right? So during this week, when many of us are crying in our beer, or Pepsi, or whatever you use to soothe the taste of defeat, let's try to think about what we have to be thankful for, instead of what keeps us awake at night (here's looking at you, Chris Heisey).

What am I thankful for?

The best first baseman and second baseman in the league, respectfully. An ace in Cueto. One of the best live arms in the game in Chapman. Scott Rolen's veteran presence, and getting to watch one of the best 3B of his era gracefully close out his career in a Reds uni. A solid rotation. A good bullpen. FANTASTIC defense. A fan base that continues to come out of the woodwork, slowly but surely. And a ton of good friends to discuss the ups and downs with on the best site on the world wide web :).

Take heart, Reds fans. This week was bad. But we've seen worst.

GO REDS! :beerme:

Everyone of us who is over 40 should have to read this. We sometimes forget that our younger fans never had the opportunity to experience the glory days of the 70's. (I'm 42, and I'm just barely on the cusp of having been able to enjoy that time.) Many of them weren't even able to experience or enjoy the wild ride in 1990. The last 2-3 years have been the best Reds baseball in their memories. So let's not be so jaded by the rough times of 1997-2009 (1999 excepted) as to bring everyone down. Fan interest is up, and people are talking about the Reds! Hang with 'em--it's a marathon, not a sprint!

traderumor
06-24-2012, 06:56 PM
This team is 2 years away.

Fun to watch their development, but they still aren't built well enough to win it all, which is the goal.Wait, I thought they weren't a very fun team to watch? :confused: ;)

The funny thing is the order that things happened. Chapman meltdown Sunday night baseball, undefeated week of 6-0 follows, 1-5 after that. So, we're 7-6 over that period, a winning record. :p

This is all what makes MLB my favorite drama.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-24-2012, 07:22 PM
A week ago, everyone thought this team was going to win the World Series. Now, everybody thinks the Cubs are going to catch us at some point.

Average those two sentiments out and you have the fans of what is likely a .500 team.

Water always finds a way to level itself.

mbgrayson
06-24-2012, 07:41 PM
The funniest part to me is that after this terrible week, where we lost 5 out of 6, and blow several one run games, we are still in 1st place. Not by much mind you, but still in first. In the past few years, we would be looking up at the Cards, and we would be six games back. Luckily for us, the rest of the division is also flawed.

As those balls start bouncing in our direction a bit more, we will win more of the close games.

All in all, we are in pretty good shape.

Vottomatic
06-24-2012, 08:26 PM
Everyone of us who is over 40 should have to read this. We sometimes forget that our younger fans never had the opportunity to experience the glory days of the 70's. (I'm 42, and I'm just barely on the cusp of having been able to enjoy that time.) Many of them weren't even able to experience or enjoy the wild ride in 1990. The last 2-3 years have been the best Reds baseball in their memories. So let's not be so jaded by the rough times of 1997-2009 (1999 excepted) as to bring everyone down. Fan interest is up, and people are talking about the Reds! Hang with 'em--it's a marathon, not a sprint!

I'm late 40's and remember the '75 & '76 team like the back of my hand. We had season tickets in the blue seats at Riverfront along the third base line.

I remember the '90 team really well too.

My favorite players were Tony Perez, Mario Soto, Eric Davis, and Jose Rijo.

It's just hard for me to see this team run out low OBP hitters in the 1 and 2 spots and lack a true cleanup hitter. The structure of the lineup bothers me.

Like me, many posters on here have been clamoring about the leadoff spot and cleanup spot for the last 3 years. It frustrates that in 3 years Reds management hasn't solved the problem. I really think solving those problems are the final moves to helping this team go farther.

Until then, this will be a team that plays .500 ball or teases the fans while they try and hang in first place. They just can't seem to put some distance between them and the rest of the pack in the Central.

What I enjoy is watching guys like Todd Frazier emerge, and always watching a Joey Votto at-bat, or a Phillips outstanding defensive play. I still think they are a couple of years away from being serious World Series contenders. Sure, they make the postseason, but they aren't much better than '10 right now to make me think they can win it all.

PuffyPig
06-24-2012, 08:31 PM
They just can't seem to put some distance between them and the rest of the pack in the Central.



We went from 5 games behind in the Central to 5 games ahead. We were bound to hit a cold spot.

6 out of our last 7 loses have been by 1 run.

We aren't playing badly.

Our luck will turn.

Revering4Blue
06-24-2012, 08:35 PM
Everyone of us who is over 40 should have to read this. We sometimes forget that our younger fans never had the opportunity to experience the glory days of the 70's. (I'm 42, and I'm just barely on the cusp of having been able to enjoy that time.) Many of them weren't even able to experience or enjoy the wild ride in 1990. The last 2-3 years have been the best Reds baseball in their memories. So let's not be so jaded by the rough times of 1997-2009 (1999 excepted) as to bring everyone down. Fan interest is up, and people are talking about the Reds! Hang with 'em--it's a marathon, not a sprint!

Yeah, but the younger fans never had to endure 1982, either.:eek:

All kidding aside, I agree with you, but further personnel moves are in order to even have a chance of winning it all.

wally post
06-24-2012, 09:34 PM
What am I thankful for?

The best first baseman and second baseman in the league, respectfully. An ace in Cueto. One of the best live arms in the game in Chapman. Scott Rolen's veteran presence, and getting to watch one of the best 3B of his era gracefully close out his career in a Reds uni. A solid rotation. A good bullpen. FANTASTIC defense. A fan base that continues to come out of the woodwork, slowly but surely. And a ton of good friends to discuss the ups and downs with on the best site on the world wide web :).

Take heart, Reds fans. This week was bad. But we've seen worst.

GO REDS! :beerme:

Great post. I like you for this. I'm in my late 50s and this team will get better. The handling of Heisey is awful and I hope for a better left fielder through a trade, but even if they don't the tam will improve.

_Sir_Charles_
06-24-2012, 09:48 PM
cincrazy....thank you. Simply put, thank you.

Please guys, let's not let this turn into a negative thread. We need MORE of this stuff around here.

cincrazy
06-24-2012, 11:50 PM
Yeah, but the younger fans never had to endure 1982, either.:eek:

All kidding aside, I agree with you, but further personnel moves are in order to even have a chance of winning it all.

I may have missed 1982, but I was around for 2001 and 2003 :eek:.

And I'm glad some of you enjoyed this thread. It's been a tough week. But the future of this team is very exciting. I think all of us here want this team to win SO BADLY and are so passionate about this team, that when we start to see it go in the other direction, we get so upset. The reason I love this site is because it's truly the diest of die hard fans around here. I lived on this site towards the end of 2010 when this team was clinching. I joined in 2005, and to see the pure emotion and ecstacy of this site in 2010 was such a joy.

Just think, some day we'll all rejoice in a World Series triumph together :thumbup:. I truly believe that.

RedEye
06-25-2012, 12:45 AM
Average those two sentiments out and you have the fans of what is likely a .500 team.

Water always finds a way to level itself.

Really? Last I checked they were still 39-32, seven games over that mark. Barring injuries, I fully expect them to push for around 90 wins this year. A few lucky bounces, and they could have more.

WVRedsFan
06-25-2012, 03:04 AM
Emotions aside, and they run heavy after a loss that should have never been, this is the norm. I remover, as a kid, the 1961 season. The Reds were up a game and down two games, and back up a game all season. The only difference seems to be the lineup mysteries. What makes management think that leading off junk hitters (no offense to Cozart who is a rookie) in front of the game's best hitter is smart? I can't imagine Hutch managing this team this way. Just an old fart, I guess. Maybe it will all work out. We are still in first place.

Mario-Rijo
06-25-2012, 07:38 AM
Good post(s) CC! :thumbup:

But....ah NM..

cumberlandreds
06-25-2012, 08:50 AM
Throughout a poor and frustrating week the Reds are still in first place. Barely but are a game ahead of the Pirates and two in front of the Cards. Some of it was just bad luck. Losing one run games luck plays a big factor. Overall,they are playing that poorly. This team has holes. But every other team in the NL central has holes too. This team has the makings of being very good. But it may take another off season of moves to get it done. They need good OBP guys at the top of the lineup and a solid closer. I don't know if they can get someone to fill those rolls before this season is over. But it should be done over the winter. One top of the order guy may not be too far away in Hamilton.

RedlegJake
06-26-2012, 04:03 PM
I'm lucky enough to have had a father and grandfather to carry me with vivid memories and stories that go back to the turn of the century. Really. That far. And I remember vividly to the late 50s. My great-grandfather actually played semi-pro ball and rubbed elbows with some pro players and former Reds like the lately enshrined Long John Reilly. Great-Granddad, Tommy Maddock, was a newspaper Illustrator and later photographer (for the Enquirer late in his career and Irish papers and bills publishers early on) and Reilly was a skilled illustrator when he wasn't whacking baseballs. Grandad knew him both ways - in baseball and in the art business where he first met him professionally. My grandma sat at his knee and absorbed baseball lore and later took her 4-9" flaming Irish temper to many a game at the Palace. She was 18 when the Reds won the pennant in 1919 and she and her mother were in attendance with her fiancee, a naval cadet from the Great Lakes who was from East Side, but she forgave him that somehow, probably because he was as big a Reds fan as she. They witnessed the first World Series victory for the Reds! Tommy died in the 1918 measles epidemic never getting to see his beloved Reds win the Series. He was 47. From the 1880s until Mathewson took over and formed the core of a championship team that Pat Moran finished putting together when Christy joined the Army for WWI, the Reds were always also rans. Oh, they had a few competitive teams but they were basically a second rate team. The twenties were good solid years but they always came up just short and by the thirties they were horrible - a laughing stock. Then came the short lived team if 39-40 and good almost teams in 1941 and 42. Other than that the Reds had little success from 43 until 1959. Again they had competitive teams especially in the 50s but lousy pitching did them in although they clubbed the ball at record setting paces. They won a pennant in 61 and had a well balanced team, good pitching pitching and defense but got steamrolled by one of the greatest Yankee teams. Good in 62 but not quite good enough, and very close in 63 and 64 they slipped in 65 through 69 although they were putting the pieces in place for the BRM. All fans knew was they made what looked like the worst trade in history with Robby and they were losing. Then came the decade of the BRM that makes modern Reds fans somehow think the Reds have this glorious history as a great team of golden dimensions when actually except for the 70s the Reds past has been pretty ordinary unless of course, you're a Reds fan. Kinda spoils the fan who was born and grew up with the BRM. the ones who came after and the ones older than the BRM era know better.

redsmetz
06-27-2012, 04:07 PM
I'm lucky enough to have had a father and grandfather to carry me with vivid memories and stories that go back to the turn of the century. Really. That far. And I remember vividly to the late 50s. My great-grandfather actually played semi-pro ball and rubbed elbows with some pro players and former Reds like the lately enshrined Long John Reilly. Great-Granddad, Tommy Maddock, was a newspaper Illustrator and later photographer (for the Enquirer late in his career and Irish papers and bills publishers early on) and Reilly was a skilled illustrator when he wasn't whacking baseballs. Grandad knew him both ways - in baseball and in the art business where he first met him professionally. My grandma sat at his knee and absorbed baseball lore and later took her 4-9" flaming Irish temper to many a game at the Palace. She was 18 when the Reds won the pennant in 1919 and she and her mother were in attendance with her fiancee, a naval cadet from the Great Lakes who was from East Side, but she forgave him that somehow, probably because he was as big a Reds fan as she. They witnessed the first World Series victory for the Reds! Tommy died in the 1918 measles epidemic never getting to see his beloved Reds win the Series. He was 47. From the 1880s until Mathewson took over and formed the core of a championship team that Pat Moran finished putting together when Christy joined the Army for WWI, the Reds were always also rans. Oh, they had a few competitive teams but they were basically a second rate team. The twenties were good solid years but they always came up just short and by the thirties they were horrible - a laughing stock. Then came the short lived team if 39-40 and good almost teams in 1941 and 42. Other than that the Reds had little success from 43 until 1959. Again they had competitive teams especially in the 50s but lousy pitching did them in although they clubbed the ball at record setting paces. They won a pennant in 61 and had a well balanced team, good pitching pitching and defense but got steamrolled by one of the greatest Yankee teams. Good in 62 but not quite good enough, and very close in 63 and 64 they slipped in 65 through 69 although they were putting the pieces in place for the BRM. All fans knew was they made what looked like the worst trade in history with Robby and they were losing. Then came the decade of the BRM that makes modern Reds fans somehow think the Reds have this glorious history as a great team of golden dimensions when actually except for the 70s the Reds past has been pretty ordinary unless of course, you're a Reds fan. Kinda spoils the fan who was born and grew up with the BRM. the ones who came after and the ones older than the BRM era know better.

Wow. Right there, a walk through the 20th century of Reds history.

cincrazy
07-26-2012, 09:35 AM
Not to pat myself on the back or anything.... but told ya so ;).

DGullett35
07-26-2012, 11:38 AM
Not to pat myself on the back or anything.... but told ya so ;).

I remember reading this thread when it was first posted. I think we were all down at the time and this was just so refreshing to read. Thanks Cincrazy. Some forgot about how long a season really is. Thats what I like about Dusty, He doesnt get too excited and it really seems to filter down the whole 25 men.

Homer Bailey
07-26-2012, 11:46 AM
:thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
07-26-2012, 01:50 PM
Not to pat myself on the back or anything.... but told ya so ;).

*high five* There will never be enough positive-minded posts and happy threads on this site for me. But this was a big step in the right direction. :O)

cincrazy
08-25-2012, 12:12 AM
Thought it was a fitting time to bump this thread. Rest assured Reds fans, after tonight's game, better days ahead, and immediately ahead too, because we're going to take this series :).

Tom Servo
08-25-2012, 12:13 AM
:thumbup:

top6
08-25-2012, 01:03 AM
If we require this thread after splitting a series on the road w/ the Phillies, losing a single game to the Cards, and still being 6 up, then we've come a long ways!

LvJ
08-25-2012, 01:27 AM
At least we're not the Astros.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1159241/astros.gif

klw
08-25-2012, 10:11 AM
At least we're not the Astros.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1159241/astros.gif

That is some good scrappy hustle there.

TeamBoone
08-25-2012, 01:12 PM
cincrazy....thank you. Simply put, thank you.

Please guys, let's not let this turn into a negative thread. We need MORE of this stuff around here.

I so agree. And, cincrazy, I too am thankful for your insightful post. We have a team to be proud of... even on those occasions when they lose. No team can win them all.

:thumbup:

LvJ
08-25-2012, 02:38 PM
That is some good scrappy hustle there.

I don't get the block field goal attempt, though. :confused: :laugh:

klw
08-25-2012, 09:28 PM
I don't get the block field goal attempt, though. :confused: :laugh:

He was reaching down to pick it up and danced to avoid the collision and getting hit by the throw. As the throw went way wide they probably would have been better off with a collision.

cincrazy
08-25-2012, 09:41 PM
I so agree. And, cincrazy, I too am thankful for your insightful post. We have a team to be proud of... even on those occasions when they lose. No team can win them all.

:thumbup:

Thanks :) and I agree! Can't wait until tomorrow's game, gonna take the series!

Chip R
08-26-2012, 12:04 AM
I don't get the block field goal attempt, though. :confused: :laugh:

That's what made it art. :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
08-26-2012, 12:15 AM
That's what made it art. :laugh:

Sorry, I disagree. What made it art was the throw to the plate. That .gif cuts off the rest of the play and the second error. The right fielder throws the ball to the dish to get the runner from first and totally airmails it from not far past 1st base.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23685139&c_id=mlb&topic_id=vtp_star_of_the_game

LvJ
08-26-2012, 12:21 AM
He was reaching down to pick it up and danced to avoid the collision and getting hit by the throw. As the throw went way wide they probably would have been better off with a collision.

Get out of here with your logic!

cincrazy
10-11-2012, 01:18 AM
I thought this was an approrpiate time to bring this thread back up. I'm nervous. I'm probably not going to sleep tonight, or eat tomorrow. But I have to believe that better days are around the corner. Starting tomorrow. Let's go boys.

Kc61
10-11-2012, 01:46 AM
I thought this was an approrpiate time to bring this thread back up. I'm nervous. I'm probably not going to sleep tonight, or eat tomorrow. But I have to believe that better days are around the corner. Starting tomorrow. Let's go boys.

Good job bringing this thread back up. I have confidence in Dusty and the Reds.

Go Reds.