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Benihana
06-26-2012, 11:47 AM
Here are some promotions I'd like to see in the next two weeks:

Donnie Joseph to Cincy (to replace Chapman as a LHP in the 'pen)
Henry Rodriguez to AAA (I'd like to give him the opportunity to compete in ST next year. Plus Vidal is at 3B in Pensacola now.)
Beau Mills to AAA
Donald Lutz to AA
Billy Hamilton to AA (although I'm still not sure how to get him the proper playing time with Gregorius and LaMarre there- neither of whom has really "earned" a promotion to Louisville)

A little further out on the horizon (perhaps after the trade deadline):

Ryan LaMarre and/or DiDi Gregorius to AAA (see above)
Chad Rogers to AA (might as well have him join all the other prospects in the Pensacola rotation)
Robert Stephenson to A
Drew Cisco to A
Tanner Rahier to Billings

dougdirt
06-26-2012, 11:53 AM
Where do you play Mills at AAA?

Gregorius hit .333 in April, tanked in May and has adjusted back in June to hit .321. I am ok with either situation of him staying in Pensacola or with him being promoted to Louisville. While I haven't yet run any park factors for the stadium yet, the announcers for Pensacola have noted that it is almost impossible to hit a home run to right field. While Didi isn't a big power threat, as a lefty, you have to wonder if it is causing his power to be down somewhat.

I would wait a few more weeks before even thinking about looking into promotions for Stephenson/Cisco/Rahier.

Benihana
06-26-2012, 12:01 PM
Where do you play Mills at AAA?

Gregorius hit .333 in April, tanked in May and has adjusted back in June to hit .321. I am ok with either situation of him staying in Pensacola or with him being promoted to Louisville. While I haven't yet run any park factors for the stadium yet, the announcers for Pensacola have noted that it is almost impossible to hit a home run to right field. While Didi isn't a big power threat, as a lefty, you have to wonder if it is causing his power to be down somewhat.

I would wait a few more weeks before even thinking about looking into promotions for Stephenson/Cisco/Rahier.

I'd try Mills in LF in Louisville. It seems that would be the only place where he'd ever have a chance to start with the big club.

I wouldn't be upset if DiDi was promoted to Louisville, especially if it made room for Hamilton in Pensacola. However something would need to happen with Janish.

Agree that it's certainly too soon on the rookie league guys, but I thought I made that clear in the OP. However, if they continue to perform over the next six weeks, I'd give them a bump and see what they can do at the next level. Who knows- if Rahier mashes all year including in Billings, maybe he jumps Rosa and starts next year in Advanced A. It wouldn't be the craziest idea ever. By most accounts, he was one of the better HS hitters in the draft. Challenge thy hitters.

dougdirt
06-26-2012, 12:05 PM
I'd try Mills in LF in Louisville. It seems that would be the only place where he'd ever have a chance to start with the big club.

I wouldn't be upset if DiDi was promoted to Louisville, especially if it made room for Hamilton in Pensacola. However something would need to happen with Janish.

Agree that it's certainly too soon on the rookie league guys, but I thought I made that clear in the OP. However, if they continue to perform over the next six weeks, I'd give them a bump and see what they can do at the next level. Who knows- if Rahier mashes all year including in Billings, maybe he jumps Rosa and starts next year in Advanced A. It wouldn't be the craziest idea ever. By most accounts, he was one of the better HS hitters in the draft. Challenge thy hitters.
I think that Janish is the reason that both Hamilton and Gregorius are where they are. The Reds likely want all three guys to play shortstop and there just isn't room for make it happen with promotions right now.

I can't imagine the Reds jumping a guy (Rahier) over Dayton who isn't a college player.

Benihana
06-26-2012, 12:13 PM
I can't imagine the Reds jumping a guy (Rahier) over Dayton who isn't a college player.

Problem is he and Rosa seem to be redundant at the same level, and if Rahier outperforms Rosa this year- what do you do?

Certainly Rosa isn't going to play a third season in rookie ball, and it would seem a waste to keep Rahier back if he is clearly ready for full season ball. He's not a pitcher they have to handle delicately.

dougdirt
06-26-2012, 01:19 PM
Problem is he and Rosa seem to be redundant at the same level, and if Rahier outperforms Rosa this year- what do you do?

Certainly Rosa isn't going to play a third season in rookie ball, and it would seem a waste to keep Rahier back if he is clearly ready for full season ball. He's not a pitcher they have to handle delicately.

Then you put them both in Dayton. They have a DH. But you aren't likely to see them send a 19 year old to Bakersfield without any experience in Dayton.

bellhead
06-26-2012, 06:57 PM
Nice problem the Reds have at SS right now with prospects at all levels, Jarnish is no longer a prospect but I feel he is at least a mlb player on about 1/3 of all teams.

cinreds21
06-26-2012, 10:44 PM
Didi could be dealt by the deadline, giving Hamilton space in Pensacola.

dougdirt
06-26-2012, 11:34 PM
Didi could be dealt by the deadline, giving Hamilton space in Pensacola.

Don't say things like that.

cinreds21
06-27-2012, 12:07 AM
Why not? It's gonna happen eventually.

19braves77
06-27-2012, 01:05 AM
I yet to see a complete game from Didi were he is fielding well and hitting well in the same game.

RED VAN HOT
06-27-2012, 01:17 AM
If Hamilton can be at least a major league average SS defensively, he should stay there. I've only seen two games, but it seems to me there is work to do defensively. I would leave him at Bakersfield and Didi at Pensacola unless Janish moves up and there is a vacancy.

I would leave Stephenson at Billings where it will be easier to limit his innings and bring him along slowly. There are enough pitchers at Billings to limit innings for the kids and the college arms that already have some innings this year. Ditto for Cisco, Mulgarian, and Romano. The Reds have the luxury of not having to rush pitchers up the ladder. I'd be tempted to move Smith to Pensacola, Quezada to Bakersfield, and give Dennhardt a chance to start.

Too early to decide on Rosa or Rahier.

Benihana
06-27-2012, 12:24 PM
Didi could be dealt by the deadline, giving Hamilton space in Pensacola.

Of all the "top prospects" in the system, Gregorius is one I think that makes the most sense to trade, provided he has decent trade value.

I'm not generally a fan of light-hitting glove-first prospects, and while I know he has hit better this month than he did last month, he hasn't done much to distinguish himself from the Gookie Dawkins comp.

Plus with Cozart, Hamilton and even Janish- we seem to have enough SS depth in the upper minors for a while.

corkedbat
06-27-2012, 01:16 PM
Problem is he and Rosa seem to be redundant at the same level, and if Rahier outperforms Rosa this year- what do you do?

Certainly Rosa isn't going to play a third season in rookie ball, and it would seem a waste to keep Rahier back if he is clearly ready for full season ball. He's not a pitcher they have to handle delicately.

I think they'll keep Rosa at 3B for a while, but if he and Rahier ever reach a point where they're on the same club, I could see Rosa shifting to a corner OF spot (he's actually listed as an OF on the Billings roster).

Benihana
07-03-2012, 11:56 AM
Here are some promotions I'd like to see in the next two weeks:

Donnie Joseph to Cincy (to replace Chapman as a LHP in the 'pen)
Henry Rodriguez to AAA (I'd like to give him the opportunity to compete in ST next year. Plus Vidal is at 3B in Pensacola now.)
Beau Mills to AAA
Donald Lutz to AA
Billy Hamilton to AA (although I'm still not sure how to get him the proper playing time with Gregorius and LaMarre there- neither of whom has really "earned" a promotion to Louisville)

A little further out on the horizon (perhaps after the trade deadline):

Ryan LaMarre and/or DiDi Gregorius to AAA (see above)
Chad Rogers to AA (might as well have him join all the other prospects in the Pensacola rotation)
Robert Stephenson to A
Drew Cisco to A
Tanner Rahier to Billings

With Mills continuing to mash and Hamilton reaching the century mark in swipes, I thought this was worthy of a bump.

It's time for Mills to AAA (and get him an OF glove) along with Gregorius and H-Rod to AAA, and Hamilton and Lutz to AA.

Put Cozart on the 7-day DL with a concussion, call up Janish, and promote DiDi to Louisville to make room for Hamilton in Pensacola. Janish could even play a little 2B if/when he comes back to Louisville, as he'll have to backup 2B at the major league level if he ever sticks there.

A month from now, if they continue their current performance, I'd consider giving Stephenson and Winker a call to Dayton. LaMarre and Bryson Smith are two guys who could afford to see Louisville by the end of the year as well, especially if Smith continues his torrid pace. Similarly, Sharky Rogers could join the rest of the All-Star rotation in Pensacola.

dougdirt
07-03-2012, 12:10 PM
Not sure I would be promoting Lutz just yet. 16 walks and 54 strikeouts isn't exactly screaming 'show me more advanced pitching'. The power plays, but the rest of his game could use some work.

19braves77
07-03-2012, 12:22 PM
Dear Baseball Fans, GM's and Farm Coordinators,

There is no reason to rush us prospects.

Signed,

Shelby Miller, Julio Tearhen, Gary Brown, and Manny Machado

Benihana
07-03-2012, 01:49 PM
Dear Baseball Fans, GM's and Farm Coordinators,

There is no reason to rush us prospects.

Signed,

Shelby Miller, Julio Tearhen, Gary Brown, and Manny Machado

Dear Skeptics and Cherrypickers,

We did just fine.

Signed,

Albert Pujols, Jay Bruce, Mike Leake, Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Trevor Bauer, and Stephen Strasburg

Benihana
07-03-2012, 01:54 PM
I don't think it is "rushing" Beau Mills to send the 25 year old back to AAA, where he was earlier this season, after crushing AA pitching.

I don't think it is "rushing" Billy Hamilton to Pensacola, after he put up an .864 OPS and stole 100 bases...before the All-Star Break.

I don't think it is "rushing" Donald Lutz to send your 23 year old best hitting prospect to AA after he put up a .918 OPS in High A ball.

Finally, I don't think it is "rushing" DiDi Gregorius or Henry Rodriguez to send them to AAA, given that each is repeating AA, and they had impressive showings with the big club in Spring Training and each has tools that could play in the big leagues right now.

Those are the only five guys I said need to be promoted right now.

19braves77
07-03-2012, 02:31 PM
I don't think it is "rushing" Beau Mills to send the 25 year old back to AAA, where he was earlier this season, after crushing AA pitching.

I don't think it is "rushing" Billy Hamilton to Pensacola, after he put up an .864 OPS and stole 100 bases...before the All-Star Break.

I don't think it is "rushing" Donald Lutz to send your 23 year old best hitting prospect to AA after he put up a .918 OPS in High A ball.

Finally, I don't think it is "rushing" DiDi Gregorius or Henry Rodriguez to send them to AAA, given that each is repeating AA, and they had impressive showings with the big club in Spring Training and each has tools that could play in the big leagues right now.

Those are the only five guys I said need to be promoted right now.

Seriously, I figure if I argue it enough, Hamilton will be called up.

bellhead
07-03-2012, 04:33 PM
Seriously, I figure if I argue it enough, Hamilton will be called up.

Couldn't be any worse than Stubbs in Center...

osuredleg24
07-03-2012, 04:37 PM
I really really want Hamilton called up to AA soon, I have some tickets to Blue Wahoo's game in a month :D

Vottomatic
07-03-2012, 04:38 PM
Dear Skeptics and Cherrypickers,

We did just fine.

Signed,

Albert Pujols, Jay Bruce, Mike Leake, Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Trevor Bauer, and Stephen Strasburg

:laugh: :lol:

19braves77
07-03-2012, 04:52 PM
Dear Skeptics and Cherrypickers,

You were right. We made our GM's question their scouting directors and cry !

Signed,

Dominic Brown, Reid Brignac, Travis Snider, Fernando Martinez, Joel Guzman, and Brandon Wood.

I tried to find players that:

A. Destroyed High A pitching
B. Didn't play much AAA ball before their MLB debut.
C. Got a lot of press like Mr Hamilton

19braves77
07-03-2012, 04:55 PM
There will be about 4,000 upset ticket holders in Pensacola if Billy skips Pensacola. We have all kind of things planned when he steals a base.

Benihana
07-03-2012, 05:02 PM
Dear Skeptics and Cherrypickers,

You were right. We made our GM's question their scouting directors and cry !

Signed,

Dominic Brown, Reid Brignac, Travis Snider, Fernando Martinez, Joel Guzman, and Brandon Wood.

I tried to find players that:

A. Destroyed High A pitching
B. Didn't play much AAA ball before their MLB debut.
C. Got a lot of press like Mr Hamilton

Not sure who is advocating Hamilton not to play much AAA ball before his MLB debut.

Furthermore, not even sure what this proves. There are always disappointments and busts. It's hard to argue they were that way because they were rushed, or they just couldn't adjust to the next level. Either way, I'm not sure how this impacts my original argument for those five guys to get promoted to the next minor league level, as I've already established that doing so wouldn't be rushing them.

I also never guaranteed any of these guys would be huge successes at the major league level. I have at least as much doubt as the next guy. I'm just saying there is nothing left for them to prove at their current minor league levels, and therefore they should be promoted to the next minor league level. That is all.

RedlegJake
07-04-2012, 04:45 AM
I'm all for Mills in AAA but LF? The guy has never played OF. He 's been a third baseman and 1st baseman his entire career from High School through college (all third base) and the minors (both third but almost exclusively first for 4 years now). He is just starting to mash after a terrible season and disappointment with the Cleveland affiliate and getting sold for cash - about as low as a player's career can get without being outrighted. Expect him to be a butcher then if you play him in left and don't whine about his defense this season. Play him at both first and third so he can be a backup and bench LH bat with great power for the team eventually. He can backup Frazier and Joey and provide real pop off the bench. But putting out in left might really set him back just when he's adjusting to being trading and starting to get his stroke back. I'd let him feast a while first. Start instructing him in the outfield and explain his eventual role (and if he hits well enough third is not locked down, neither is left) and start playing him in AA in the OF a game here and there and at third as much as possible to get him used to it again. This guy is a bit older but there is a ton of talent there - he's not your average toss away minor league fodder. Reds may have scored a big hit here.

JaxRed
07-04-2012, 08:59 AM
I just spent the last 3 days watching the Wahoos here in town. Trust me, no one would like to see him succeed as much as me...... my name is Mills also and that would be cool. However.....

He's a big, solid, kinda slow guy. Wouldn't be much of a OF. And there have been several references about how's he's killing AA etc.

He had 2 big multi-hit games when he came up, one of those has now "rolled off" his last 10 games, and his last 10 now show him hittting .222 over that period. Anything less than 2 hits today and that .222 is heading south.

Granted, he's got power. But I'd wait 2 weeks to give a call on how well he's mashing at AA. After seeing him, I'm not sold.

RedlegJake
07-04-2012, 03:14 PM
I just spent the last 3 days watching the Wahoos here in town. Trust me, no one would like to see him succeed as much as me...... my name is Mills also and that would be cool. However.....

He's a big, solid, kinda slow guy. Wouldn't be much of a OF. And there have been several references about how's he's killing AA etc.

He had 2 big multi-hit games when he came up, one of those has now "rolled off" his last 10 games, and his last 10 now show him hittting .222 over that period. Anything less than 2 hits today and that .222 is heading south.

Granted, he's got power. But I'd wait 2 weeks to give a call on how well he's mashing at AA. After seeing him, I'm not sold.

Thanks for the info Jax. I'm rooting for Mills. If they forget moving him (if its even in the Reds heads which I doubt) and just concentrate on his hitting he may become a useful backup with power for the bench. Certainly nothing wrong with that. The Reds could sure use a lefty hitting power hitter on the bench.

JaxRed
07-04-2012, 03:57 PM
The one thing interesting about him (in his very small sample size) is his righty/lefty splits.