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zacharync
06-26-2012, 01:31 PM
if you were a MLB player and had your choice? Apart from Cincinnati, where would be your top 3 cities to live and play for 81+ days a year?

Mine....

1. Boston

2. Washington

3. New York

Also, which would be your 3 cities in which you wouldn't want to be.

Mine....

1. Kansas City

2. Houston

3. St. Louis

reds1869
06-26-2012, 01:47 PM
My top three:

1. San Francisco
2. Seattle
3. Toronto

My bottom three:

1. Atlanta
2. Phoenix
3. Tampa

RichRed
06-26-2012, 02:56 PM
Top:

1. San Diego
2. Denver
3. Seattle

(Boston & Washington just miss the top 3.)

Bottom:

1. Detroit
2. Oakland
3. Arlington, TX

bucksfan2
06-26-2012, 03:14 PM
Top:

1. Chicago
2. Denver
3. Boston

Bottom
1. Miami
2. Oakland
3. Cleveland

dabvu2498
06-26-2012, 03:22 PM
Top 3:
1. Phoenix
2. Denver
3. Boston

Bottom 3:
1. Detroit
2. Oakland
3. Cleveland

improbus
06-26-2012, 03:36 PM
Depends on what sort of player I am. Fly ball pitcher, San Diego. Left handed slap hitter, Boston. But, all things being equal:
1) Los Angeles - weather, big city, great ballpark, great fans, great uniforms, team with checkbook
2) Milwaukee - great city, great food, great fans
3) Detroit - Best uniforms in baseball, Amazing owner, great ballpark

Worst 3:
1) Houston - just too hot, bad owner, yuck.
2) Atlanta - too hot (and outside), yuck
3) Tampa - no money, bad stadium

Rojo
06-26-2012, 03:55 PM
Someone would live in Phoenix by choice? Ok.

I'll ex out SF since I already live here.

Top 3:
NYC -- everyone should live there once
SD -- can't beat the weather
Miami -- so this player can be a playa'

Bottom 3:
Phoenix -- LA without the beaches or glitz
Houston -- Phoenix without zoning laws
Texas -- Dallas isn't terrible for Texas....for Texas. I don't like Texas.

Spitball
06-26-2012, 10:42 PM
if you were a MLB player and had your choice? Apart from Cincinnati, where would be your top 3 cities to live and play for 81+ days a year?

Mine....

1. Boston

2. Washington

3. New York

Also, which would be your 3 cities in which you wouldn't want to be.

Mine....

1. Kansas City

2. Houston

3. St. Louis

I agree on Boston, but I spent most of my life north of Boston. My family is still there, and I love the North Shore.

I don't get the hate for Kansas City and St. Louis, though. I have been to both cities and think they are very, very cool cities.

vaticanplum
06-26-2012, 11:06 PM
Good god, I've lived in seven MLB cities, I think, with nine teams to their credit. As a baseball town -- and I know some people will balk at this -- I like New York the best. It's a surprisingly old-fashioned baseball town. If you go sit down at a bar, you're going to talk with the guy next to you about baseball first. In the midwest, you're likely going to talk about football first. Even in Boston it depends on the time of year. But it's very hard to escape baseball in New York. Everybody has some thoughts about it even if s/he doesn't exactly follow it. Kids play stickball in the street all over the place.

But as a baseball player? New York is a rough place to be no matter which team you play for. I think my first choice, in 2012, would be Miami. The sun, the life, that home run sculpture -- I would think it's hard to beat being a ballplayer there in 2012. Which is funny because I'd probably commit suicide before I'd live in Miami as a human, but not as a baseball player.

My second and third (ballplayer) choices would probably be Seattle and Philadelphia. At the bottom of the list are Houston, Minnesota, and Atlanta.

For the record, underrated as a city and, apparently, not a bad place to be a ballplayer in 2012: Baltimore.

Tom Servo
06-26-2012, 11:11 PM
New York, because North Jersey is home.

San Francisco, because I'm not sure. Never been to Northern California, but I have a feeling I'd like it.

San Diego, because it's beautiful and as Danny Graves would put it, there's no pressure to win. :evil:

Honorable mention to DC and Philadelphia too.

zacharync
06-27-2012, 03:05 PM
I agree on Boston, but I spent most of my life north of Boston. My family is still there, and I love the North Shore.

I don't get the hate for Kansas City and St. Louis, though. I have been to both cities and think they are very, very cool cities.

Yeah, that's a fair point. I have actually never been to either. I think I chose St. Louis based on my distaste for the franchise. KC, well I just couldn't imagine liking it so much.

*BaseClogger*
06-27-2012, 10:32 PM
Left handed slap hitter, Boston.

Fenway would be the worst park for a left-handed slap hitter...

improbus
06-27-2012, 11:04 PM
Fenway would be the worst park for a left-handed slap hitter...

Except for that Boggs guy...

IslandRed
06-27-2012, 11:42 PM
I was going to put Kansas City in my top three based on barbecue alone, but then I remembered the question was about which cities I'd prefer as a ballplayer, and presumably stuffing my face every day wouldn't be allowed.

I'm with vaticanplum regarding Miami. I have no desire whatsoever to live there, but if I was a ballplayer -- especially the younger, single, money-burning-a-hole-in-pocket variety -- Miami would be mighty tempting.

Considering my personal biases, how I looked at things when I was ballplayer age, and the quality of life I could have there (which includes the demeanor of the fan base to some extent), but using an all-things-being-equal with respect to the ballclubs themselves:

Top 3 -- Toronto, Atlanta, San Francisco

I have multiple friends who swear Toronto is the coolest city on earth, and I can always live in Florida during the winter.

San Francisco moved up as soon as they moved out of Candlestick.

As for Atlanta, it was the place my friends and I all wanted to move to post-college, the recent-graduate social center of the South. With the money to insulate myself from the everyday annoyances, of which Atlanta has many, it would be a very comfortable place. I'm not interested in moving there now, but at age 23 or 24...

In all three places, it would be possible to live at least a semblance of a normal life in a way that's not possible in New York or Boston.

Bottom three: Oakland, Philadelphia, Cleveland

I suppose I could live in San Francisco and just play in Oakland, but...

There are redeeming qualities to Philadelphia as a city, but the fan base is just so miserable I don't see how anyone could enjoy living in the crosshairs.

Cleveland was a tough choice, I don't really have anything against it, I'm just not a fan of Rust Belt cities in general. Could have put Detroit or Pittsburgh here too.

westofyou
06-28-2012, 03:21 AM
I'd rather Live in the Oakland hills over San Francisco myself, much warmer, more nature, more sunny days for sure

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-28-2012, 04:30 PM
Top 3 (excluding Cincinnati)

1. New York
2. Denver
3. Seattle (though the flights to every road series would be brutal)

Honorable mentions: Washington, D.C.; Boston


Bottom 3

1. Phoenix
2. Dallas
3. Los Angeles/Anaheim

Dishonerable mentions: St. Louis; Houston

pedro
06-28-2012, 05:17 PM
Top 3

Seattle
Oakland/San Francisco
Boston

Bottom 3

Kansas City
Dallas
Houston

Sea Ray
06-28-2012, 05:22 PM
Top three:

1) SD
2) Denver
3) Chicago (north side)

Bottom Three:

1) Cleveland
2) St Louis
3) Kansas City

Spitball
06-28-2012, 05:43 PM
Fenway would be the worst park for a left-handed slap hitter...

Why? Lefty slap hitters hit flairs off the wall and dump loopers into that huge right field. The left fielder does play in to catch some short flairs, but I certainly don't see it being the worst place for a lefty slap hitter.

Sweetstop
06-28-2012, 06:42 PM
family in chicago, atlanta and seattle...really wouldn't want to live in any of the other mlb cities.

BuckeyeRed27
06-28-2012, 08:13 PM
I've lived in Cincinnati and I live in LA, so I'll exclude those.

Top 3:
1. San Diego
2. Seattle
3. Boston

Bottom 3:
1. St. Louis
2. Kansas City
3. Houston

Rojo
06-28-2012, 08:26 PM
I suppose I could live in San Francisco and just play in Oakland, but...

You'd be suprised how many people move to San Francisco, then move on to Oakland. As WOY said, the weather's nicer. It's also cheaper and there are a ton of cultural amenities. It's not all trigger-happer cops and black bloc anarchists.

I'm still in SF because I like to walk everywhere but I wouldn't mind Oakland. And both beat The Valley. Yuck.

IslandRed
06-29-2012, 03:38 PM
You'd be suprised how many people move to San Francisco, then move on to Oakland. As WOY said, the weather's nicer. It's also cheaper and there are a ton of cultural amenities. It's not all trigger-happer cops and black bloc anarchists.

I'm still in SF because I like to walk everywhere but I wouldn't mind Oakland. And both beat The Valley. Yuck.

Fair points. It's tough to generalize about huge metro areas anyway, they all have their good pockets and bad pockets.

Degenerate39
06-29-2012, 04:56 PM
Top 3:

1. Washington
2. Boston
3. San Fransisco

Bottom 5:

1. New York
2. St. Louis
3. Toronto
4. Kansas City
5. L.A.

BillDoran
06-29-2012, 06:04 PM
Beautiful cities
1) Chicago - love the capital of the Midwest
2) San Francisco/Oakland - love the culture of NoCal and PacNW
3) New York - big city

Festering holes
1) Dallas - hate the modern sprawl and bravado of Texas
2) Houston
3) Tampa - not a fan of the heat and concrete of Florida

*BaseClogger*
06-30-2012, 01:26 AM
I didn't realize there was so much hate for Phoenix?

*BaseClogger*
06-30-2012, 01:29 AM
I guess it depends on your definition of a *slap* hitter. I don't consider a 310-foot flyball a "flair", but it's a matter of semantics... :)

Rojo
07-03-2012, 03:38 PM
I didn't realize there was so much hate for Phoenix?

I'm not a fan of the desert. There's only one desert town I'd consider: Reno -- an awesome wreck of a city.

fearofpopvol1
07-03-2012, 08:23 PM
Since I live in New York, I'll exclude that. It's tough because I'd love to live in Miami, but not during baseball season. The heat is horrendous (no pun intended). Also surprised to see Toronto mentioned by others so many times. Aren't the taxes for Toronto players insane?

Top 3:

San Diego
Seattle
Washington

Bottom 3:

Detroit
Cleveland
Baltimore

MikeThierry
07-06-2012, 03:10 PM
I live in St. Louis and I don't get the hate. Yes, you might not like the Cardinals but as a baseball town it's one of the best.

westofyou
07-06-2012, 03:15 PM
I live in St. Louis and I don't get the hate. Yes, you might not like the Cardinals but as a baseball town it's one of the best.

It's muggy as hell and they have weird pizza?

George Anderson
07-06-2012, 03:33 PM
I live in St. Louis and I don't get the hate. Yes, you might not like the Cardinals but as a baseball town it's one of the best.

I love St. Louis. We are taking a family vacation there next week. The summer heat is miserable but there is plenty there to do. The first vacation my wife and I tool was there and it really was one of the best believe it or not. Casino's, amusement parks, brewery, the Arch, great restaurants and an above ground rail. Can't beat it.

We are going to see that baseball team that plays there but only because my six year old wants to go to a different stadium other than GABP. I told him no rooting for the Cards or the other team they are playing the Dodgers. Just sit there quietly and observe.

MikeThierry
07-06-2012, 04:10 PM
I love St. Louis. We are taking a family vacation there next week. The summer heat is miserable but there is plenty there to do. The first vacation my wife and I tool was there and it really was one of the best believe it or not. Casino's, amusement parks, brewery, the Arch, great restaurants and an above ground rail. Can't beat it.

We are going to see that baseball team that plays there but only because my six year old wants to go to a different stadium other than GABP. I told him no rooting for the Cards or the other team they are playing the Dodgers. Just sit there quietly and observe.

My advice is go somewhere on the Hill to eat. You can't really go wrong with any place there but I would highly recommend Cunetto's.

http://www.cunetto.com/

Also, when you're at Busch, I would highly recommend the Bacon Wrapped hotdogs. They're $9 but well worth it.



It's muggy as hell and they have weird pizza?

I love St. Louis style pizza. You don't get the taste of all that dough and you get toppings to the very edge of the pizza.

westofyou
07-06-2012, 04:13 PM
I love St. Louis style pizza. You don't get the taste of all that dough and you get toppings to the very edge of the pizza.

I like the crust... unsure about that cheese

MikeThierry
07-06-2012, 04:23 PM
I like the crust... unsure about that cheese

I'm a fan of provolone.

westofyou
07-06-2012, 04:34 PM
I'm a fan of provolone.

But they use Provel cheese... and actually it's not bad, i'm just poking.

Anything (including bugs) is better than LaRosa's from Cincinnati as far as I'm concerned

MikeThierry
07-06-2012, 04:46 PM
But they use Provel cheese... and actually it's not bad, i'm just poking.

Anything (including bugs) is better than LaRosa's from Cincinnati as far as I'm concerned

lol you're right about them using Provel. Epic St. Louis fail on my part. All I know is that it tastes good.

Is LaRosa's that bad?

westofyou
07-06-2012, 04:55 PM
Is LaRosa's that bad?

I think so.... try and convince my in-laws though

cincrazy
07-06-2012, 05:10 PM
But they use Provel cheese... and actually it's not bad, i'm just poking.

Anything (including bugs) is better than LaRosa's from Cincinnati as far as I'm concerned

Hey now! Watch it! Next thing I know you're going to be bad-mouthing Skyline!

westofyou
07-06-2012, 05:14 PM
Hey now! Watch it! Next thing I know you're going to be bad-mouthing Skyline!

I was always a Gold Star guy myself

MikeThierry
07-06-2012, 05:19 PM
George, another place you might want to try when you are on vacation here is Pappy's Smokehouse. Brandon Phillips gave it major props and was voted as one of the top places to eat in the country and is on many lists as one of the best BBQ joints in the country.

cincrazy
07-06-2012, 05:20 PM
This is a fantastic thread, love it.

My top 3 choices would be:

1. Arlington (Warm weather. Great ownership. Great fanbase. Big market, but not tons of pressure to win as in New York or Boston. Count me in.

2. New York (Nothing like being regarded as a clutch player in this city. Clearly tons of pressure. But I think that pressure's worth it if you come through. Would be a great challenge, tons of money, and a lot of fun.)

3. Cincinnati (I'm serious here. Great baseball city. Competitive team. Obviously a great ownership group that takes care of its players. A young team with some legit stars and with some more on the horizon in the minor leagues.)

Top 3 I'd least like to live in:

1. Boston (Ownership is throwing everyone under the bus on their way out the door. Crabby and spoiled fanbase. No thanks.)

2. Miami (Apathetic fanbase. Crazy manager. Quite honestly, a terrible owner. Nothing about this team is appealing to me, and the city is overrated if you ask me.)

3. Oakland (Bad ballpark. Fans that don't show up. Team stuck in legal limbo on whether they can move. Never know if you're on the trading block or not. No thanks.)

Granted, I'm taking into account the team situations in these rankings. I have nothing against any of the cities in the bottom 3. (Except for Miami. No offense to any Miami lovers, but I'm truly underwhelmed with that city).

MikeThierry
07-06-2012, 05:23 PM
This is the guy from Man vs. Food talking about Pappy's

http://www.travelchannel.com/video/adam-chats-about-his-time-in-st-louis-12287

George Anderson
07-07-2012, 12:14 AM
This is the guy from Man vs. Food talking about Pappy's

http://www.travelchannel.com/video/adam-chats-about-his-time-in-st-louis-12287

It's funny we just saw that episode the other night and plan on eating there. We have been to St Louis several times but have yet to eat on "The Hill." I love Italian but I worry my two rotten kids ages 9 and 6 won't make the experience enjoyable.

We plan on going up in The Arch ( my daughter will love it), Grants Farm ( daughter loves animals), the Zoo ( it is free and my daughter loves animals), Six Flags ( daughter loves rides) and a Cards game (son loves baseball and nothing else, wonder where he got that from?).

What about City Museum? It gets good reviews but is it an all day thing?

Is Union Station run down now? I have fond memories of the place back in the late 90's but I heard it's pretty much ghetto now.

fearofpopvol1
07-07-2012, 12:20 AM
But they use Provel cheese... and actually it's not bad, i'm just poking.

Anything (including bugs) is better than LaRosa's from Cincinnati as far as I'm concerned

Growing up, I thought La Rosa's was the best thing since sliced bread. But after moving to NY, it's definitely nothing special. I had it the last time I was in Cincinnati though and it was decent. At least for the Midwest.

westofyou
07-07-2012, 12:56 AM
Growing up, I thought La Rosa's was the best thing since sliced bread. But after moving to NY, it's definitely nothing special. I had it the last time I was in Cincinnati though and it was decent. At least for the Midwest.

Too much sauce and a weak crust, I prefer NY style

MikeThierry
07-07-2012, 03:15 AM
It's funny we just saw that episode the other night and plan on eating there. We have been to St Louis several times but have yet to eat on "The Hill." I love Italian but I worry my two rotten kids ages 9 and 6 won't make the experience enjoyable.

We plan on going up in The Arch ( my daughter will love it), Grants Farm ( daughter loves animals), the Zoo ( it is free and my daughter loves animals), Six Flags ( daughter loves rides) and a Cards game (son loves baseball and nothing else, wonder where he got that from?).

What about City Museum? It gets good reviews but is it an all day thing?

Is Union Station run down now? I have fond memories of the place back in the late 90's but I heard it's pretty much ghetto now.

I have not been to the city museum but I heard its the thing to do if you have kids. There's a ton of stuff to do there from what I understand and I have never heard anything bad about it.

As far as Union Station goes, it's kind of meh but still a place to hang out if you're waiting for the game to start or going to get a bite to eat after the game.

My advice about Six Flags is get there early and bring some swim suits because they have a water park now. What we did a couple of years ago is go early to the water park then ride the rides later on during the day.

I would also suggest the Science Center. It's another thing that I believe is free except for parking. It's a pretty big place and suitable for kids. It's right next to Forest Park, where the zoo is. In fact, Forest Park is so big and has so many things to do, you could spend two days there if you wanted to and still not see everything. There's also regional events that take place there at different times of the year.

http://explorestlouis.com/visit-explore/discover/neighborhoods/forest-park/

The Missouri Botanical Garden is also a place to go if you have some down time or looking for something to do. I always found it a peaceful place.

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/

Yachtzee
07-07-2012, 03:24 AM
Too much sauce and a weak crust, I prefer NY style

Love NY style. Last fall, we had a NY style pizza shop open in my town. The guy who runs it is a Sicilian who honed his skills making pizzas in NYC when he first came to America. Definitely the best NY style pizza I've had outside NYC and better than some of the pizza I've actually had in NYC. My wife and some of our friends, all New Yorkers by birth, even give it props.

I also like Chicago style, specifically Giordano's, but have yet to have a good one outside Chicago.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-07-2012, 03:33 AM
Larosa's is good pizza, so is Marion's in Dayton, which, along with Jet's, is my favorite among the locals (the Marion's in Mason opens this fall).

And I'll certainly agree that NY style > anything else.

MikeThierry
07-07-2012, 03:38 AM
Too much crust gives me heartburn. Deep dish always gives me stomach problems.

fearofpopvol1
07-07-2012, 04:08 AM
Too much sauce and a weak crust, I prefer NY style

I actually don't mind when there's extra sauce, but the weak crust I'm on board with. I still prefer NY style as well.

BillDoran
07-07-2012, 11:20 AM
I was always a Gold Star guy myself

You *bleeping* contrarian. :mooner:

vaticanplum
07-07-2012, 11:37 AM
I still love LaRosa's. I don't think of it as "good" pizza, just a very specific taste. The sauce is almost sweet. If I hadn't had it until adulthood, I almost certainly wouldn't like it, but now I have to have it every time i'm in Cincinnati. I think you have to grow up with it. Actually, given the way out-of-towners have reacted to Cincinnati-style chili when I've brought them there, I think there's a degree of truth to that with the chili as well.

Chip R
07-07-2012, 12:15 PM
Is LaRosa's that bad?

You have had school pizza, right?

Chip R
07-07-2012, 12:24 PM
Actually, given the way out-of-towners have reacted to Cincinnati-style chili when I've brought them there, I think there's a degree of truth to that with the chili as well.

I've been here for almost 13 years and I love Cincinnati chili. I had a friend come here from Iowa for Opening Day this year and he never had it before and he loved it. We had it at Price Hill Chili for Opening Day and the next day we went to Camp Washington Chili and he had it both days. I'd eat it more often but I'm afraid if I did I would weigh 300 lbs.

vaticanplum
07-07-2012, 01:57 PM
I've been here for almost 13 years and I love Cincinnati chili. I had a friend come here from Iowa for Opening Day this year and he never had it before and he loved it. We had it at Price Hill Chili for Opening Day and the next day we went to Camp Washington Chili and he had it both days. I'd eat it more often but I'm afraid if I did I would weigh 300 lbs.

I've brought in people who love it, people who found it appalling, and people who didn't see what the big deal was, with far more people in the latter two camps than the first. I do know a chef in New York who thinks the Cincinnati chili recipe is a masterpiece. I think it's just a very specific taste -- either you like it or you don't.

I don't eat it but I liked Gold Star as a kid.

*BaseClogger*
07-08-2012, 02:14 PM
Too much sauce and a weak crust, I prefer NY style

Detroit style is better than the rest!

*BaseClogger*
07-08-2012, 02:21 PM
Larosa's is good pizza, so is Marion's in Dayton, which, along with Jet's, is my favorite among the locals (the Marion's in Mason opens this fall).

And I'll certainly agree that NY style > anything else.

Jet's isn't really "local" at all...

Redsfan08
07-08-2012, 07:14 PM
1.Miami

2.New York

3.Los Angeles

4.San Diego

5.Tampa Bay

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-09-2012, 05:26 PM
I've brought in people who love it, people who found it appalling, and people who didn't see what the big deal was, with far more people in the latter two camps than the first. I do know a chef in New York who thinks the Cincinnati chili recipe is a masterpiece. I think it's just a very specific taste -- either you like it or you don't.

I don't eat it but I liked Gold Star as a kid.

I saw a large choir group from Belgium (here for the World Choir Games) walking down Vine Street the other day with several large to-go bags of Skyline Chili. I wonder what they thought ...?

Captain13
07-10-2012, 02:37 PM
New York
Tampa
San Deigo
Cincinnati
Washington
Baltimore

Skyline Chili, Chicago Pizza and New York Deli's...I could eat those three things for the rest of my life, albeit a rather short and unhealthy one.

Strikes Out Looking
07-10-2012, 09:58 PM
Ok -- If I was a player I'd want to play in:

1. Cincy -- since I've always dreamed about playing for them, I'd have to say it even if I did leave home years agon.

2. Washington -- since I have to chosen to live here, I'd like to play here. The only problem is baseball is still an after thought to a crappy football town.

3. Boston -- When they love you, they love you.
Bottom 3:

1. St. Louis -- most overrated baseball town in the world, heck even Fat Albert left.
2. Chicago (Cubs) -- no way, no how.
3. Phoenix -- Lived there once, don't want to do it again, especially in the Summer.

WildcatFan
07-11-2012, 11:49 AM
Cool thread.

Top 3:
New York
San Diego
Seattle

Bottom 3:
Detroit
Minneapolis
Milwaukee

DGullett35
07-23-2012, 08:59 AM
I like this thread also.

My top 3:
San Diego
New York
San Francisco

My Bottom 3:
Cleveland
Detroit
Pittsburgh

Knightro28
07-24-2012, 02:49 AM
Top 3:
1. Phoenix
2. Denver
3. San Diego

(I'm a sucker for the West)

Bottom 3:
1. Detroit
2. Pittsburgh
3. Cleveland

(Sorry Rust Belters)

cincinnati chili
07-28-2012, 01:30 PM
First on the pizza. Put me in the camp that thinks the sauce is the most important part of a pizza. For a chain, I think LaRosa's is quite good. Lived in NY and their pizza is a totally different animal. I don't hate it but it's more cheesebread than pizza.

I've actually lived in 5 different MLB markets. Presuming that I could afford to live in any of them, I'd rank them this way, and I'm surprised Cincy ran so high.

1. Denver
2. Cincy
3. Boston
4. New York
5. Trampa

I actually hate the weather in options 2-5 but there are certain advantages and disadvantages to all of them.

Other than Denver, of the markets I've visited I'd probably rank their desirability/liveability like this (again, assuming I could afford to live anywhere):

1. Denver
2. Montreal - I know they're not a market anymore, but had to throw this in because it's such a great city
3. San Diego
4. Cincy
5. Chicago
6. Boston
7. DC
8. Toronto
9. New York
10. Seattle
11. Pittsburgh
12. Kansas City
13. Trampa
14. Philly
15. Atlanta
16. Baltimore
17. St. Louis
18. Cleveland
19. Detroit

You'll note I've never been to Phoenix, Houston, Dallas or Miami either ever or since I was too young to remember, and I prejudge all of them as horrible places. Convince me I'm wrong.

I also haven't been to the Bay Area or LA since I was too young to remember, and they both seem to have their advantages and disadvantages. Unlike the cities in the prior paragraph, I plan to visit them in the coming years.

I had an in-and-out visit to the Twin Cities so I don't have an opinion about them. But my wife who is from Maine and prefers cold weather left St. Paul after her freshman year of college in large part because she said it was "too oppressively cold" even for her and had summers that were almost as bad as the other humid midwestern cities. Convince me I'm wrong.

vaticanplum
07-31-2012, 06:17 PM
Twin Cities seem like a great place in a lot of ways, but I can't convince you, chili. I'm with your wife; I handle cold worse and worse the older I get. If it's colder than Chicago by the lake I can't take it. Also, I don't trust the Twins organization.

Those of you who have Pittsburgh in the bottom three, I'm telling you, you underrate it. Beautiful terrain, and completely killing it in medicine, technology, education, and the arts. It's growing so fast and so well yet remaining affordable and livable. As far as baseball goes, it hasn't been the greatest place to be for a long time, but things seem to be looking up long-term and it's hard to beat that ballpark.

hebroncougar
08-01-2012, 12:51 PM
But they use Provel cheese... and actually it's not bad, i'm just poking.

Anything (including bugs) is better than LaRosa's from Cincinnati as far as I'm concerned

I love provel. You can't get it anywhere but St. Louis. I have relatives that bring me a five pound block a couple times a year. All of my family is from s there, I've been known to make a pizza only run. If I call a little place called cusanellis, they will freeze up their pizza for me. I'll buy about 40 of their 9", for about $4 each. It's about a ten hour round trip.;)


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knuckleballah22
08-08-2012, 12:54 PM
It's a tie between New York and Boston for me.

reds44
08-08-2012, 03:21 PM
Top 3:
1. Chicago (I'm biased)
2. San Diego
3. Toronto

Bottom 3:
1. Detroit
2. Kansas City
3. Cleveland

HotCorner
08-08-2012, 03:25 PM
Top 3:

1. San Diego
2. Colorado (Denver)
3. San Francisco

Bottom 3:

1. New York
2. Boston
3. Philadelphia

I based these on weather, geography and temperament of the fan base. I also excluded Cincinnati and Baltimore due to my favorable bias.

Yachtzee
08-08-2012, 04:33 PM
Top 3:
1. Phoenix
2. Denver
3. San Diego

(I'm a sucker for the West)

Bottom 3:
1. Detroit
2. Pittsburgh
3. Cleveland

(Sorry Rust Belters)

I don't get the Cleveland hate. I've lived in Northeast Ohio most of my life and Cleveland is really not that bad a place to live. It's affordable, there's stuff to do. Also, if you live outside the city, there are a number of places that look reminiscent of New England, as Northeast Ohio was originally part of the Connecticut Western Reserve. Many of the early settlers here were New Englanders whose homes were destroyed by British-set fires during the Revolutionary War. We even have a small National Park within a minutes drive.

And I'm with vaticanplum on Pittsburgh. It's a pretty nice city as well, other than the fact that it's filled with Steelers fans.


I've lived in Northeast Ohio most of my life, spent my early childhood in Western Ohio and lived in Chicago as an adult for a few years. I've traveled to many other Major League cities. With that in mind, I have no desire to live in California or anywhere else in the Southwest or Southeastern U.S. For some reason, I find many people from those regions irritating (no offense Redszoners from those regions), especially the transplants who just want to talk about how awesome the weather is there and how much it stinks in Ohio. Sorry, I like seasons.

Chicago is great when you're a young adult out of college, but is cost prohibitive for raising a family. Everyone I know who has lived there has moved to places like Cincinnati, Indy, Milwaukee or Denver. Most Midwestern cities are nice and have cool European ethnic neighborhoods for good food and drink. The only city I probably wouldn't live in is Detroit. It's been hit really hard by the recession.

pedro
08-10-2012, 11:43 AM
I just spent a couple of days in Phoenix for work. I'm puzzled by why anyone would want to live there. I know I didn't see the nicest parts (I was out in Glendale) but it seemed pretty gross to me.

GIK
08-10-2012, 05:01 PM
San Francisco.

Just got back from a quick work trip and had a wonderful time. The city is amazing and if it weren't so expensive (a client is paying $3600/month for a 1-bedroom apt) I'd seriously consider living there.

Loved every second and am jealous of all RZ'ers who live there.

Rojo
08-10-2012, 07:21 PM
Loved every second and am jealous of all RZ'ers who live there.

An army of one (I think).

Red in Chicago
08-10-2012, 11:56 PM
San Francisco.

Just got back from a quick work trip and had a wonderful time. The city is amazing and if it weren't so expensive (a client is paying $3600/month for a 1-bedroom apt) I'd seriously consider living there.

Loved every second and am jealous of all RZ'ers who live there.

I'm with you regarding San Francisco. Beautiful city. Next choice would be Boston. (I'm purposely excluding Chicago).

vaticanplum
08-11-2012, 12:20 AM
I'm with you regarding San Francisco. Beautiful city. Next choice would be Boston. (I'm purposely excluding Chicago).

Do you not like Chicago, RIC?

San Francisco was the first place I moved after college. I loved it and was so happy there, very easily could have stayed there forever, but left because I saw a show about earthquakes on the Discovery Channel and it scared the crap out of me. Number of major earthquakes the city has suffered in the ensuing decade? Zero. Don't live your life in fear of dormant faults, kids.

Red in Chicago
08-11-2012, 07:31 AM
Do you not like Chicago, RIC?

San Francisco was the first place I moved after college. I loved it and was so happy there, very easily could have stayed there forever, but left because I saw a show about earthquakes on the Discovery Channel and it scared the crap out of me. Number of major earthquakes the city has suffered in the ensuing decade? Zero. Don't live your life in fear of dormant faults, kids.

No, I love Chicago. Been here my whole life. I was just excluding it because I'm already here. Well, technically I'm in the burbs, but if I were a ball player, I'd live downtown.

cincinnati chili
08-12-2012, 04:44 AM
Do you not like Chicago, RIC?

San Francisco was the first place I moved after college. I loved it and was so happy there, very easily could have stayed there forever, but left because I saw a show about earthquakes on the Discovery Channel and it scared the crap out of me. Number of major earthquakes the city has suffered in the ensuing decade? Zero. Don't live your life in fear of dormant faults, kids.

I think it's quite sensible to avoid an area because of natural disasters. And besides . . . just think of how broke you'd be after 10 more years in San Francisco followed by two years of Harvard tuition.

I saw one of those Discovery Channel shows, and I was surprised that the city most prone to deadly natural disasters was actually Dallas.

vaticanplum
08-12-2012, 04:38 PM
I think it's quite sensible to avoid an area because of natural disasters.

I think what freaked me out the most was the way they talked about potential fire, which is my number one phobia, to the degree that I won't even allow matches in the house. Most major buildings in San Francisco are earthquake-proof at this point, but a major earthquake (which, according to the Discovery Channel, IS DEFINITELY COMING, just nobody knows when) would set off a chain of horrible fires. Most importantly, San Francisco is so expensive now that most firefighters live in Oakland. In the case of a huge earthquake, no one will be able to get over from Oakland because the bridges will be out. So they'll basically have to put out major raging fires in the city with a skeleton crew of whoever happens to be there when the earthquake happens. So everyone's going to get burned to death. At least that's what I took away from this Discovery Channel special.

westofyou
08-12-2012, 05:00 PM
I think what freaked me out the most was the way they talked about potential fire, which is my number one phobia, to the degree that I won't even allow matches in the house. Most major buildings in San Francisco are earthquake-proof at this point, but a major earthquake (which, according to the Discovery Channel, IS DEFINITELY COMING, just nobody knows when) would set off a chain of horrible fires. Most importantly, San Francisco is so expensive now that most firefighters live in Oakland. In the case of a huge earthquake, no one will be able to get over from Oakland because the bridges will be out. So they'll basically have to put out major raging fires in the city with a skeleton crew of whoever happens to be there when the earthquake happens. So everyone's going to get burned to death. At least that's what I took away from this Discovery Channel special.

Well, I think perhaps you are over thinking this. But it's your phobia good luck!

30 years I've lived out here and just one major shake, albeit a big one, now I've got volcanos, tsunamis and earthquakes to worry about

vaticanplum
08-12-2012, 05:14 PM
woy, I am definitely, positively overthinking this.

To come full circle: I love watching baseball in San Francisco. Hot one minute, freezing cold the next, with stuff flying all over the place. It's like watching baseball in Willy Wonka's drug den.

IslandRed
08-13-2012, 12:35 PM
Maybe the real lesson is to not watch the Discovery Channel. :p

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-13-2012, 01:42 PM
I once saw a History Channel show on what would happen if a rogue terrorist group got their hands on a nuclear bomb and detonated it in Washington, D.C. They showed the terrorists drive a van with the bomb inside right up into the mall in front of the Capital Building and it exploded.

Basically, everything within an immediate three-mile radius, including the Smithsonian museums, Supreme Court, Archives, Library of Congress, Chinatown, etc. would be immediately leveled. I think the White House could survive. The ground zero area wouldn't even be accessible to first responders for many hours, if not days. Further out, like five miles, would be nothing short of a war zone with raging fires, downed buildings and bridges, inaccessible roads, etc.

I know that could potentially happen anywhere, but I've always connected it with D.C. since seeing that show.

It's up on YouTube, if anyone's interested.

Roy Tucker
08-14-2012, 12:13 AM
Maybe the real lesson is to not watch the Discovery Channel. :p

Especially with this week being Shark Week. ;) :eek:

There are risks everywhere. By no means am I reckless (at least not any more), but I don't live my life in fear. If the Undertoad is going to get me, there isn't much I can do about it. I live my life as fully as I possibly can.

Whatever city I live in, it would have to have a good ballpark. Boston, Chicago, SF, or KC.