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reds44
06-26-2012, 09:42 PM
Discuss.

klw
06-26-2012, 09:43 PM
I would like to make a funny Dusty joke but can't think of a decent one.

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 09:44 PM
I want to see it. I was listening on the radio

mdccclxix
06-26-2012, 09:44 PM
That guy just doesn't give a damn, and I love it. Who else throws 105? No one. Double roll.

reds44
06-26-2012, 09:45 PM
Somebody posted in the game thread Gomez did two forward rolls after making a great catch against us last year.

If that's the case than I fully support what Chapman did and that's awesome lol

Tony Cloninger
06-26-2012, 09:46 PM
Somebody posted in the game thread Gomez did two forward rolls after making a great catch against us last year.

If that's the case than I fully support what Chapman did and that's awesome lol

Well now that just makes more sense....beacuse.....before that....all i had was....The end is really near...for real.

Tom Servo
06-26-2012, 09:46 PM
♫ Do A Barrel Roll! ♫ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv5qzMtLE60)

kbrake
06-26-2012, 09:46 PM
If that was because of Gomez which I vaguely remember, that might be in the running for greatest thing I've ever seen. It is close, a great Kate Upton video came out today that has jumped to #1 on my list.

kaldaniels
06-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Chapman is the biggest enigma in baseball since ___________?

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 09:50 PM
Chapman is the biggest enigma in baseball since ___________?

John Rocker

kaldaniels
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
John Rocker

Good answer.

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 09:52 PM
I was JK..However I want to see this double roll chappy did

mattfeet
06-26-2012, 09:52 PM
Here's the Gomez somersault. Looks slightly less intentional than Chapman's.

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mil&content_id=14160903

Still hilarious, however.

kaldaniels
06-26-2012, 09:53 PM
Somebody posted in the game thread Gomez did two forward rolls after making a great catch against us last year.

If that's the case than I fully support what Chapman did and that's awesome lol

So if true, who put him up to it....:laugh:

Redhook
06-26-2012, 09:53 PM
I thought it was hilarious. Very spontaneous, harmless, and kid-like. I'm sure it'll become overblown though.

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 09:53 PM
Did Chappy do his with some flare?

kaldaniels
06-26-2012, 09:54 PM
Did Chappy do his with some flare?

Flare maybe. Grace no.

Gainesville Red
06-26-2012, 09:54 PM
You know what's dumb about the Gomez clip? It's 20 seconds long and has a 15 second ad before it.

(My internet gripe of the day)

mattfeet
06-26-2012, 09:54 PM
Did Chappy do his with some flare?

He struck out the final batter, walked down the mound towards Hanigan, and proceeded to drop and give us 2 somersaults. :lol: 110% intentional and 110% hilarious.

-Matt

reds44
06-26-2012, 09:57 PM
Here's the Gomez somersault. Looks slightly less intentional than Chapman's.

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mil&content_id=14160903

Still hilarious, however.
Hahahaha this has to be it. Especially when you consider he struck out Gomez tonight.

Fantastic.

klw
06-26-2012, 09:57 PM
Oh no ballpayers having fun. We can't have that. I don't see how it is showing up anyone worse than a group of 15 guys hopping up and down at home plate after a walk off.

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 09:59 PM
Oh no ballpayers having fun. We can't have that. I don't see how it is showing up anyone worse than a group of 15 guys hopping up and down at home plate after a walk off.

Or Ozzie Smith practicing his Olympic routine in the infield every game

WebScorpion
06-26-2012, 09:59 PM
The reason I thought it was because of Gomez is Gomez came in to pinch hit and Chapman had just walked a guy on 4 pitches...he was all over the place. You could see Gomez just getting the adrenaline pumped up for a fastball down the middle and Chapman threw him 2 straight sliders that he was way ahead on and followed those with a 99mph pitch on the inside corner. I think Chapman remembered the hot dog play, because it's what I always think about when I see Gomez. Then when Chapman did the 2 rolls after striking the next guy out I immediately thought he was imitating Gomez. I think he'll get in trouble for it. :dunno:

I hated the Gomez play which reminded me of Jim Edmonds but even more over the top. I think striking him out was revenge enough. :beerme:

mdccclxix
06-26-2012, 09:59 PM
Gomez is always flipping his bat and acting like an arse when I've seen him play the Reds. He deserves a lot more of this, lol.

reds44
06-26-2012, 10:00 PM
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/june/video-aroldis-chapman-does-a-double-somersault-to-celebrate-tonights-save.html

Chapman video

traderumor
06-26-2012, 10:01 PM
Here's the Gomez somersault. Looks slightly less intentional than Chapman's.

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mil&content_id=14160903

Still hilarious, however.Oh it was intentional by Gomez. So he got made to look silly twice tonight, both at the plate and at the end. Good stuff, Reds with attitude.

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 10:02 PM
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/june/video-aroldis-chapman-does-a-double-somersault-to-celebrate-tonights-save.html

Chapman video

That is freaking awesome. maybe hes channeling his inner Valverde. He likes to dance and such

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 10:05 PM
Ive watched Chappy's video like 10 times now. I love it!!!! My fav. moment of the year so far I think:)

Tom Servo
06-26-2012, 10:07 PM
lol already turning into "Rollgate"

VR
06-26-2012, 10:08 PM
gameday has it up now

WVRedsFan
06-26-2012, 10:09 PM
Dusty not happy with the roll. Says Price will address the issue.

kaldaniels
06-26-2012, 10:09 PM
Can I get some help for those of us scoring at home....

reds44
06-26-2012, 10:10 PM
Baker was not happy with Chapman's celebratory somersaults: "I know he was happy, but we don't play that way." #reds

Doubt you'll see Chapman do somersault again. Baker, Price and players not pleased. He was talked to after game. #reds

REDSEER
06-26-2012, 10:10 PM
This is going to take off. Luckily a brutal call in the Yankees-Indians game is taking the spotlight away.

I really don't think he meant anything by it....but no one is seeming to take it that way.

Big Klu
06-26-2012, 10:11 PM
Chapman is the biggest enigma in baseball since ___________?

Mark Fidrych.

VR
06-26-2012, 10:12 PM
Dusty not happy with the roll. Says Price will address the issue.

I completely agree.....but Chapman just isn't the punk that so many of these guys are that over celebrate.

I'm sure it was some inside joke....but yeah, don't let it happen again until you save the Reds 4th WS win this fall.

vaticanplum
06-26-2012, 10:14 PM
Dying.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/6/26/3119865/i-rolled-is-chapman

DGullett35
06-26-2012, 10:15 PM
I can see where Dusty is coming from. He doesn't want any unwanted attention toward the team. However Chappy's been horrible of late and as long as he doesn't blow any more saves he can barrel roll all the way from the pen to the mound. I really don't care:)

kaldaniels
06-26-2012, 10:15 PM
Mark Fidrych.

That was my thought....even before tonight.

alloverjr
06-26-2012, 10:16 PM
Dying.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/6/26/3119865/i-rolled-is-chapman

What a dork. And I've no idea when the last time I used the word dork, but that's all I could think of after watching the replay.

traderumor
06-26-2012, 10:17 PM
Baker was not happy with Chapman's celebratory somersaults: "I know he was happy, but we don't play that way." #reds

Doubt you'll see Chapman do somersault again. Baker, Price and players not pleased. He was talked to after game. #redsWe don't? Wasn't the Lowe incident settling an old score (going back to 2008 and 2010)?

klw
06-26-2012, 10:17 PM
link to a gif file in case someone can embed it.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1207310/ChapmanRoll1.gif.opt.gif

Tom Servo
06-26-2012, 10:18 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1207310/ChapmanRoll1.gif.opt.gif

REDSEER
06-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Barry wasn't pleased on ESPN.

I feel bad for Chapman in a way. He's going to get a lot of attention for this over the next 24 hours. And I really think this was just pure relief after that last strikeout.

alloverjr
06-26-2012, 10:20 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1207310/ChapmanRoll1.gif.opt.gif

Certainly didn't stick the landing after the 1st one. Needs more work.

traderumor
06-26-2012, 10:21 PM
Tumblegate?

reds44
06-26-2012, 10:22 PM
Tumblegate?
Billy Madison - I'll Tumble For Ya (HQ) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbsNrUUUs8E)

Reds Freak
06-26-2012, 10:28 PM
FWIW, Todd Frazier's wife just tweeted this: Chapmans forwardrolls might b One of the onlytimes That I will ever know more about somethin that happened on a baseballfield then Todd haha.

Not sure what to make of that...

Tom Servo
06-26-2012, 10:31 PM
FWIW, Todd Frazier's wife just tweeted this: Chapmans forwardrolls might b One of the onlytimes That I will ever know more about somethin that happened on a baseballfield then Todd haha.

Not sure what to make of that...
Aroldis Chapman is secretly a robot programmed by the Reds players wives.

cincrazy
06-26-2012, 10:37 PM
I think it's absurd that Dusty, Price and some of his teammates are upset with him. The kid's had an awful few weeks, he's thrilled, and he has some fun after closing out a big game. So you lecture him? God forbid we leave entertainment in baseball. Reprimanding him for that is shameful, IMO. I don't think it's showing anyone up. And if it is, who cares? This is the same Brewers team that surrounded Prince at home plate then fell around him like some synchronized swimming team.

guttle11
06-26-2012, 10:41 PM
I loved it. I immediately thought it was a gag on the Brewers, who have hot dogged it on the field more than any other team recently (Prince explosion, Nyjer Morgan showing off after routine plays, let alone great ones, etc). I don't have a problem with any of it. It harms no one.

The umpires and MLB should thank Chapman, though. This may keep the horrendous call in the Yankees game from the national headlines tomorrow. And Skip Bayless can have a few days of material now, seeing as how Lebron just got a ring and Tebow Time is still a couple months away.

Tony Cloninger
06-26-2012, 10:45 PM
I think it's absurd that Dusty, Price and some of his teammates are upset with him. The kid's had an awful few weeks, he's thrilled, and he has some fun after closing out a big game. So you lecture him? God forbid we leave entertainment in baseball. Reprimanding him for that is shameful, IMO. I don't think it's showing anyone up. And if it is, who cares? This is the same Brewers team that surrounded Prince at home plate then fell around him like some synchronized swimming team.

Some of these celebrations...Heck too many of them have gotten out of hand. DD Gordon getting chased and thrown to the ground by his own teammates after a GW hit? Just a measly hit and they throw him down and do this stupid dog pile?
I understand you don't want stoic robots but good grief....The other way is an extreme that's become "Who can be more stupid than the next guy."

Chip R
06-26-2012, 10:46 PM
I don't think he should have done it since it can be seen as showing up the other team. But I'm not going to get angry about it.

This is one of those things where you love it if it's your guy doing it but you hate it if it's someone on the other team.

GADawg
06-26-2012, 10:56 PM
I don't think he should have done it since it can be seen as showing up the other team. But I'm not going to get angry about it.

This is one of those things where you love it if it's your guy doing it but you hate it if it's someone on the other team.

I agree...if Chris Carpenter had done this to "us" Redzone would've blown up...of course I wouldn't have seen it 'cause I would've self imploded immediately

George Anderson
06-26-2012, 10:57 PM
What a non story. Big freakin deal if he did a flip.

BTW I don't know if its been mentioned but Larkin did a flip after the final out of the 90' WS

BCubb2003
06-26-2012, 10:57 PM
I liked it, once. It would get real tiresome real quick.

Crumbley
06-26-2012, 10:59 PM
I was bewildered until I read the story from last year. Love it. Now let's get the sweep.

traderumor
06-26-2012, 10:59 PM
Dusty could also be giving the pr answer for league ears

reds1869
06-26-2012, 11:00 PM
I liked it, once. It would get real tiresome real quick.

Exactly how I feel. As a spontaneous action it gave me a chuckle, but I don't want him to do it again.

Brutus
06-26-2012, 11:00 PM
This totally violates one of baseball's unwritten rules which is why I applaud it so much. I despise unwritten rules.

mdccclxix
06-26-2012, 11:02 PM
I agree with who said the Brewers deserve it. They definitely do. Chapman was smirking about it, so hilarious.

Also, thanks to HataRade (the infamous HaterRade he says) in the Sundeck, I've learned that John Smoltz is 'incredibly angry' and will lose sleep tonight over this incident.

No doubt Chris Carpenter will be there by his bedside to remove the clutched pearls from his hands and sing him a lullaby.

Poor John Smoltz, a phone call from St. TLR will put things back into perspective I hope.

My gosh, I feel so tired and sad tonight for poor John Smoltz, no sleep at all for him. Sigh.

Tony Cloninger
06-26-2012, 11:02 PM
What a non story. Big freakin deal if he did a flip.

BTW I don't know if its been mentioned but Larkin did a flip after the final out of the 90' WS

It was the last out of a WS they won.....he could have gone streaking for all I care.

These other over celebrations are getting dumber ....or dumbing everyone down.

What's the matter with you? I thought you liked telling people to get off your lawn like I do? :D

mdccclxix
06-26-2012, 11:02 PM
dp

WMR
06-26-2012, 11:06 PM
IMO, he should start doing it after every save. :lol:

westofyou
06-26-2012, 11:07 PM
What a non story. Big freakin deal if he did a flip.

BTW I don't know if its been mentioned but Larkin did a flip after the final out of the 90' WS

Unpossible

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/07/52/60/2010128/3/628x471.jpg

I(heart)Freel
06-26-2012, 11:10 PM
I don't think he should have done it since it can be seen as showing up the other team. But I'm not going to get angry about it.

This is one of those things where you love it if it's your guy doing it but you hate it if it's someone on the other team.

You mean like NMorgan making that amazing catch into the wall tonight and then whooping and showing it to the Reds bullpen? Methinks the Chapman Roll had more to do with that display.

_Sir_Charles_
06-26-2012, 11:15 PM
By the time Chapman returned to the clubhouse, the smile he wore on the field was gone. He rested his forehead on a bat as he sat silently at his locker. He declined comment through a team official, saying he was not "mentally ready" to take questions from the media. Veterans Joey Votto and Jay Bruce spoke with Chapman quietly for several minutes after the game.

reds44
06-26-2012, 11:17 PM
Did I miss the portion of the game where he shot somebody?

_Sir_Charles_
06-26-2012, 11:20 PM
I laughed when I saw it. I laughed harder when I read the explanation for it (Gomez's rolls last year). But I really like the way the Reds coaches & players are handling it. Just because other teams strut and show-off doesn't mean the reds should stoop to their level. He did it, it's done. Let's not do it again. The Reds are filled with classy individuals, stay classy and let the other teams wallow in the dirt. (but for a one time thing...funny as heck)

VR
06-26-2012, 11:32 PM
I agree with who said the Brewers deserve it. They definitely do. Chapman was smirking about it, so hilarious.

Also, thanks to HataRade (the infamous HaterRade he says) in the Sundeck, I've learned that John Smoltz is 'incredibly angry' and will lose sleep tonight over this incident.

No doubt Chris Carpenter will be there by his bedside to remove the clutched pearls from his hands and sing him a lullaby.

Poor John Smoltz, a phone call from St. TLR will put things back into perspective I hope.

My gosh, I feel so tired and sad tonight for poor John Smoltz, no sleep at all for him. Sigh.

Interesting....Smoltz did a feature on the kid in Arlington that catches home run balls. Smoltz tried it w/ the kids glove, but caught it bare handed instead.

Reminded me of the Jack Buck overreaction to the Randy Moss mooning incident a few years back, which was only a response to the Pack fans doing it to all opposing teams.

reds44
06-26-2012, 11:36 PM
Did Jack Buck overreact by rolling over in his grave? Too soon?

VR
06-26-2012, 11:40 PM
Did Jack Buck overreact by rolling over in his grave? Too soon?

When he found out his son Joe actually said that....probably. :beerme:

jojo
06-26-2012, 11:41 PM
I don't think he should have done it since it can be seen as showing up the other team. But I'm not going to get angry about it.

This is one of those things where you love it if it's your guy doing it but you hate it if it's someone on the other team.

Exactly. If Chris Carpenter had done his there would be 1000 word essays on redszone about how repugnant it was.....

It's pretty clear that players and coaches feel like he broke one of those unwritten rules. He probably should have thought about it a little more.

757690
06-26-2012, 11:48 PM
I have a feeling it was part of some clubhouse prank or dare. I doubt that Chapman did his on his own.

The problem with it being a response to Gomez hot dogging it, if that's what it was, is that no one will get that, and it just looks like Chapman is showing up the Brewers.

Tony Cloninger
06-26-2012, 11:53 PM
When he found out his son Joe actually said that....probably. :beerme:

:laugh: :laugh:

jojo
06-26-2012, 11:54 PM
It's not like chapman kicked puppies but I'd rather the nation was talking about the great win by the first place reds powered by a clutch shot then metacommentary about preschool gymnastics.

oregonred
06-27-2012, 12:08 AM
It's not like chapman kicked puppies but I'd rather the nation was talking about the great win by the first place reds powered by a clutch shot then metacommentary about preschool gymnastics.

Making mountains out of mole hills and ignoring the real stories and issues is the job of the modern day media (news and sports thanks to the blowhards over at ESPN).

The best reaction was Hanigan who acted like nothing actually happened on his way to congratulate Aroldis.

gilpdawg
06-27-2012, 12:19 AM
FWIW, Todd Frazier's wife just tweeted this: Chapmans forwardrolls might b One of the onlytimes That I will ever know more about somethin that happened on a baseballfield then Todd haha.

Not sure what to make of that...

I saw that. I just assumed she was a gymnast when she was younger.

Nasty_Boy
06-27-2012, 12:23 AM
I think she was/is a gymnast... I did see that she tweeted something about her sister winning a gymnastics award.

Caveat Emperor
06-27-2012, 12:33 AM
I wish we had a pitcher in the early 2000s who could have done a forward dive into the grass right after striking out Jim Edmonds. ;)

oregonred
06-27-2012, 12:38 AM
Nothin' like a rolled Cuban...

OnBaseMachine
06-27-2012, 01:44 AM
I nearly fell off the couch laughing when I saw it. I hope he doesn't do it again but wow that was hilarious, especially if he did it in a mocking manner aimed at Gomez.

mth123
06-27-2012, 02:17 AM
I laughed when I saw it. I laughed harder when I read the explanation for it (Gomez's rolls last year). But I really like the way the Reds coaches & players are handling it. Just because other teams strut and show-off doesn't mean the reds should stoop to their level. He did it, it's done. Let's not do it again. The Reds are filled with classy individuals, stay classy and let the other teams wallow in the dirt. (but for a one time thing...funny as heck)

:thumbup:

The Voice of IH
06-27-2012, 03:06 AM
@DatDudeBP
#YeaBuddy... Great all around W tonight except for the 2 front roll flips at the end, but at least he didn't get hurt! Tomorrow, #GotBrooms

Veterans not loving this whole roll thing.

Superdude
06-27-2012, 03:43 AM
By the time Chapman returned to the clubhouse, the smile he wore on the field was gone. He rested his forehead on a bat as he sat silently at his locker. He declined comment through a team official, saying he was not "mentally ready" to take questions from the media. Veterans Joey Votto and Jay Bruce spoke with Chapman quietly for several minutes after the game.

:( That's just sad. Talk about throwing cold water on the dude.

powersackers
06-27-2012, 04:14 AM
:( That's just sad. Talk about throwing cold water on the dude.

Didn't think I would ever be disappointed with Joey or Jay. Back your teammate up guys.

GAC
06-27-2012, 04:36 AM
I don't think he should have done it since it can be seen as showing up the other team. But I'm not going to get angry about it.

This is one of those things where you love it if it's your guy doing it but you hate it if it's someone on the other team.

Exactly. And Dusty is right too. You don't strut and show off simply because of how it might be taken by the losing team. It's not good sportsmanship IMO. I wonder what the reaction of Red fans would be if the Brewer's closer did that after striking out Votto to seal the win? I think they'd be a thread calling him a jerk, etc.

So if people don't mind one of our players doing it, then don't get upset if it's the other way around. But I doubt it would work that way. LOL

BCubb2003
06-27-2012, 05:47 AM
Veterans not loving this whole roll thing.

Yet Phillips is one of the most demonstrative, joy-of-playing-the-game guys on the field. He's generally pretty classy about it, but does he still do that bat-tap thing when comes to the plate? It's easy to seem annoying when you're just trying to have a good time.

RedsBaron
06-27-2012, 06:52 AM
I am generally "old school" but I very much enjoyed it. I would be happy if Chapman did that after every save. He was having fun and I could not care less if the Selig Brewers were offended.

edabbs44
06-27-2012, 07:02 AM
There is likely more to the story than we all realize.

Vottomatic
06-27-2012, 07:13 AM
Geez. Chapman had a bad week of closing and was blowing off steam. Completely overblown.

After all, his name is a-ROLL-dis Chapman. :D

RedsBaron
06-27-2012, 07:16 AM
This is going to take off. Luckily a brutal call in the Yankees-Indians game is taking the spotlight away.

I really don't think he meant anything by it....but no one is seeming to take it that way.

I just saw "highlights" of the Yankees-Indians game. Goodness that was a brutal, lazy call.

lollipopcurve
06-27-2012, 07:26 AM
If he was showing up Gomez, then it was somewhat inappropriate, IMO. But there was something childlike and innocent about it, too, and I find the outrage to be sanctimonious. Emotions happen.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2012, 07:48 AM
I just saw this. Chapman has some hot dog in him. That's for sure. I'm sure that went over like a lead balloon with the Brewers. But the Brewers have a couple of hot dogs themselves. Nyger Morgan for one and Corey Hart did a little twist at 2nd base after his double in the 8th. I'm sure the Reds took notice of that.

RedFanAlways1966
06-27-2012, 07:52 AM
I laughed when he did it. Then I thought about and said, "Oh no. You do not do things like that." Things like that may cause Joey Votto to get a Greinke fastball in his back in the 1st inning this afternoon. Regardless of another team's actions, you do not lower yourself to their level. I like to think that Chapman perhaps does not get it. Not sure, but I hope.

GoReds
06-27-2012, 08:08 AM
It's gotta be hard for someone in Chapman's position (foreign country, family not around, etc.). He's been a bit of enigma since he's been here, although he is showing signs of life recently (Arroyo video, speeding ticket, etc.).

I'm enjoying the fact that he seems to be opening up some and is not acting so much like a stiff robot. Seems like he was genuinely relieved to have picked up the save, but I'd like to see him come up with something better than two somersaults.

GoReds
06-27-2012, 08:08 AM
DP

MikeS21
06-27-2012, 08:10 AM
Veterans not loving this whole roll thing.


:( That's just sad. Talk about throwing cold water on the dude.


Didn't think I would ever be disappointed with Joey or Jay. Back your teammate up guys.
Honestly, I think the fact that his coaches and teammates are "taking care of it" will probably mean we'll hear an apology, and the whole thing will sort of drop. And I'm sure there are some Brewer fans who took exception to Matt Latos pumping his fist after getting that final strikeout to end the game on Monday night.

I have mixed feelings. I certainly wouldn't want the opposing pitcher to do that to the Reds, but I do miss the characters who played in the 70's and 80's. Made things entertaining, to say the least.

The move to eliminate celebrations from sports is silly. If a guy can't smile after he hits a home run, or can't dance a jig in the end zone after scoring a touchdown, it really takes away from the entertainment value of the game.

Vottomatic
06-27-2012, 08:10 AM
It's gotta be hard for someone in Chapman's position (foreign country, family not around, etc.). He's been a bit of enigma since he's been here, although he is showing signs of life recently (Arroyo video, speeding ticket, etc.).

I'm enjoying the fact that he seems to be opening up some and is not acting so much like a stiff robot. Seems like he was genuinely relieved to have picked up the save, but I'd like to see him come up with something better than two somersaults.

Your post(s) is like deja vu all over again. :D

mdccclxix
06-27-2012, 08:29 AM
I was just thinking last night during Arroyo's 8th inning what it would be like if a pitcher, or better a SS, would implore the crowd to start getting louder like LB's and DL's do in football.

What would be so bad about that? Seems like sometimes the crowd needs a tap on the shoulder, "Um, exuse me, um, there's a no hitter going on, get behind your team right here".

No place better at this kind of support, that I've seen, than SF. God that place was tough in 2010, of course I was there for the offensive explosion of the year for them, but still, down 10-0 on the Sunday game there were lots of fans saying, "we've got'm where we want'm now!" And sure as can be that game got ugly for the Reds and they need a miracle to win it.

Anyway, I didn't hate Chapman's rolls, I kind of hope Sake Bomb names a roll after it, and I wouldn't hate it if some of the players "helped" the fans get engaged. I know the Bengals always talk to the media about needing a loud crowd, etc.

But seeing Arroyo, or any pitcher, be more animated would be cool. I could lead to a lot of clown type stuff, but kids love clowns, it's a kids game. It would also provide a lot of signatures on the game by personalities, which the game suppresses, perhaps because of all the superstition. But if you can win the mental game with personality, that's an edge right?

Caveat Emperor
06-27-2012, 08:30 AM
There is likely more to the story than we all realize.

This.

Or, it's the team's 3 best players (Bruce, Votto and Phillips) all telling Chapman that when he pisses people off or shows them up, they're the ones who get fastballs thrown at them, not Chapman.

NJReds
06-27-2012, 08:45 AM
When I was watching, it just surprised me and I thought it was funny. (Probably because I was as relieved as most of us were to see him get the save after the tough couple of games and the fact that it seemed like he couldn't locate his fastball last night.) The funniest part is probably Hanigan's lack of reaction.

But I understand why he's getting criticism, and most of us on this board would be ticked if an opposing player did that after striking out one of our hitters to end a game. If it's a one time thing, I think it dies down quick.

What I don't understand is why there's so much criticism for this, which I believe is the first time this guy has shown any real emotion, and all these analysts don't jump all over guys like Valverde, who put on a one man show after every pitch.

NJReds
06-27-2012, 08:45 AM
n/m

hebroncougar
06-27-2012, 09:11 AM
I laughed when he did it. Then I thought about and said, "Oh no. You do not do things like that." Things like that may cause Joey Votto to get a Greinke fastball in his back in the 1st inning this afternoon. Regardless of another team's actions, you do not lower yourself to their level. I like to think that Chapman perhaps does not get it. Not sure, but I hope.

If Votto gets a Greinke fastball in the back today, Bailey should drill Braun. Then somebody better drill Greinke. The Brewers of all teams can't take exception to hot dogging it with all the hot dog crap they did last year.

traderumor
06-27-2012, 09:18 AM
No doubt its pot meet kettle if the Brewers take exception. Of course, that never stopped a certain other club with a big arch in their backyard from not seeing it that way.

REDREAD
06-27-2012, 09:30 AM
I think it's absurd that Dusty, Price and some of his teammates are upset with him. The kid's had an awful few weeks, he's thrilled, and he has some fun after closing out a big game. So you lecture him? God forbid we leave entertainment in baseball. Reprimanding him for that is shameful, IMO. I don't think it's showing anyone up. And if it is, who cares? This is the same Brewers team that surrounded Prince at home plate then fell around him like some synchronized swimming team.

I agree.. I thought it was hillarious and spontaneous. If it makes the Brewers a little grumpy because they were "Shown up".. who really cares..
Geez, it wasn't as if he was taunting anyone, he was just being silly.

And I'd say the same thing if the Cardinal's closer did it to us.

As someone else said.. how is this any worse than "The bounce" after a win?

Chip R
06-27-2012, 09:33 AM
Like it or not, it has given the Reds a little more attention than they have been getting.

oneupper
06-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Don't get all the noise. All sorts of post-win celebrations happen these days. The outfielders coming together. jumping and bumping thighs, the high/(or low) five lines on the field. hugs, pies in face, walk-off circles, etc.
None of that stuff used to happen.

I can get that someone could be irked by showing up the other team DURING a game (although its still kind of silly). But post-game, it's pretty much all fair game, IMO.
At least that is how this stuff seems to have evolved.

Dusty is right to be upset in public about this (defuse any retaliation), but in private he should tell Aroldis, "cool, that was funny...don't do it again because you might get hurt AND you're kind of not good at it also".

oneupper
06-27-2012, 09:37 AM
dp

westofyou
06-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Cap Anson once wore a long fake beard during a whole game, Germany Schaffer once stole 1st after he stole 2nd, Jimmy Piersell once hit a HR off Dallas Green and ran the bases running backwards, the Brewers raised folks hackles a few years ago when they did this:

Prince Fielder's Awesome Walk-Off Home Run Celebration - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgEEZsSckNk)


Chapman's move was great, funny, spontaneous and bush... I'm almost 100% sure a one time thing.

In short it was baseball, unpredictable and rich with character... and not always the best display of character. It was also something that Roger Goodell would have attempted to use to extract money from Chapman's pocket, and that's why I like baseball.

George Anderson
06-27-2012, 09:51 AM
You can't top this one.

1918 - Casey Stengel, after being traded by Brooklyn in the offseason, made his return to Ebbets Field a memorable one. In his first at-bat, Stengel called time, stepped out of the batter's box and doffed his cap. A bird flew out and the fans broke into laughter.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/24-sports-news/article888299.ece

westofyou
06-27-2012, 09:52 AM
You can't top this one.

1918 - Casey Stengel, after being traded by Brooklyn in the offseason, made his return to Ebbets Field a memorable one. In his first at-bat, Stengel called time, stepped out of the batter's box and doffed his cap. A bird flew out and the fans broke into laughter.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/24-sports-news/article888299.ece

Hard to top that or this

http://kenbraiterman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Eddie-Gaedel1.jpg

MikeS21
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Pretty soon, they are going to stop the on field hand shakes and such following the final out of a win - I'm offended, and it shows up the other team. :p

traderumor
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
Don't get all the noise. All sorts of post-win celebrations happen these days. The outfielders coming together. jumping and bumping thighs, the high/(or low) five lines on the field. hugs, pies in face, walk-off circles, etc.
None of that stuff used to happen.

I can get that someone could be irked by showing up the other team DURING a game (although its still kind of silly). But post-game, it's pretty much all fair game, IMO.
At least that is how this stuff seems to have evolved.

Dusty is right to be upset in public about this (defuse any retaliation), but in private he should tell Aroldis, "cool, that was funny...don't do it again because you might get hurt AND you're kind of not good at it also".You nailed it. This is exactly my thoughts on the hullbaloo.

Also, WOY, perfect example of the Brewers being one of the last teams' whose feathers should be rankled.

Of course, there were near riots in the nation's capital when BP ran over the Nats catcher to score a run, then got up clapping and jumping. This stuff happens spontaneously and everyone gets their panties in a bunch.

BTW, add John Smoltz to the list of "didn't like." He commented "you have a 100 MPH fastball, you don't need to do that kind of stuff to get attention." Really? He thinks he was looking for attention? I think he was having fun---playing a game that is entertainment for millions of people in the world. Dang stuffed shirts. Acting like Hutterites, breaking "the traditions of the elders." (watched some Nat Geo Channel prior to the game, but does provide a good analogy).

Chip R
06-27-2012, 10:05 AM
Also, WOY, perfect example of the Brewers being one of the last teams' whose feathers should be rankled.


That's true but do you think the Brewers will see it like that? It doesn't matter how it should be perceived it matters how it is perceived.

Kc61
06-27-2012, 10:11 AM
If the Brewers or announcers or Dusty or anybody is upset with Chapman, I'd tell them to live with it.

A 24 year old young man gets overly excited after breaking a tough slump with a good outing.

Big deal.

WildcatFan
06-27-2012, 10:15 AM
Nothin' like a rolled Cuban...

Wait, did everyone miss this?

Outstanding.

traderumor
06-27-2012, 10:17 AM
That's true but do you think the Brewers will see it like that? It doesn't matter how it should be perceived it matters how it is perceived.I would say the should matters more. People/groups can react to a circumstance, but the should is the standard for judging their conduct.

In other words, the Brewers have no basis for judging and meting out consequences for behavior they engage in themselves. That is the should. If they react differently, that's on them.

WildcatFan
06-27-2012, 10:19 AM
Here's a question:

If Chappy had waited until after he high fived Hanigan and was walking back to the handshake line to do the somersaults, would everyone be as upset? Silly, silly.

Jeff Passan said it well on Twitter:

Score a touchdown, do two somersaults, it's tame. Finish a save, do two somersaults, get death penalty. Baseball really needs to lighten up.

And hey, we've been worried about the team's OBP all season. We should be happy one of our guys is getting plunked today!

_Sir_Charles_
06-27-2012, 10:27 AM
Nothin' like a rolled Cuban...

Okay, now THAT was funny. :lol:

_Sir_Charles_
06-27-2012, 10:30 AM
Personally, I'm just stunned that none of the media guys have put it together like webscorpion did about the Gomez thing. It seems so obvious a connection. Of course that's because it's been pointed out to me...but still.

dunner13
06-27-2012, 10:32 AM
Considering Chapman throws 105mph I would say he can do whatever he wants on the field, I mean do the brewers really want to come out and hit Votto with a 88 mph fastball and then have Chapman take off Brauns head at 105........

Chip R
06-27-2012, 10:34 AM
I would say the should matters more. People/groups can react to a circumstance, but the should is the standard for judging their conduct.

In other words, the Brewers have no basis for judging and meting out consequences for behavior they engage in themselves. That is the should. If they react differently, that's on them.

That's true but you know how much the Cardinals whined and complained about every little thing but they were always right there attacking when another team did the same thing against them. When LaRussa was managing he'd throw a fit if you even came close to hitting one of his guys but he always professed innocence when one of his pitchers plunked a guy.

The Brewers are the last team that should be outraged by Chapman. But if they are and they hurt Votto or Phillips or Bruce and they are out for a while, it's no longer fun and games.

lollipopcurve
06-27-2012, 10:45 AM
It's a guy doing a somersault after playing a game.

Ban recess!

redsfan30
06-27-2012, 11:02 AM
Has Skip Bayliss put his two cents in yet?

GoReds
06-27-2012, 11:04 AM
Our IT team just completed a major rollout. To celebrate, I did two somersaults in the aisle (which is no small feat, to be sure).

Since then, the network engineers have been giving me dirty looks. I fear for my internet connec

RedsBaron
06-27-2012, 11:06 AM
If Votto gets a Greinke fastball in the back today, Bailey should drill Braun. Then somebody better drill Greinke. The Brewers of all teams can't take exception to hot dogging it with all the hot dog crap they did last year.

Yep. And then Chapman should fire some 105 fastballs at several Brewers.
I am serious about that. What Chapman did was funny. If his somersaults justify the Brewers throwing at Votto, then the whole Cardinals lineup should have been getting drilled back in the day that Ozzie Smith did his backflips and the Smash Brothers A's teams should have been regularly hit after Eckersley did his antics after striking out someone.
Chapman did a couple of harmless, and funny, somersaults. That should be a one day story. If the Brewers try to make more of it, the Reds response should be immediate and total.

Degenerate39
06-27-2012, 11:25 AM
Did anyone ever get mad at Ozzie Smith?

oregonred
06-27-2012, 11:27 AM
Personally, I'm just stunned that none of the media guys have put it together like webscorpion did about the Gomez thing. It seems so obvious a connection. Of course that's because it's been pointed out to me...but still.

Most media people are lazy. That's why places like Redszone provide so much better insight.

I say we "roll out the Cuban" again this afternoon for another save opportunity.

wally post
06-27-2012, 11:30 AM
Our IT team just completed a major rollout. To celebrate, I did two somersaults in the aisle (which is no small feat, to be sure).

Since then, the network engineers have been giving me dirty looks. I fear for my internet connec

This and "rolled cuban" are the best! This is the part of RZ that I love! :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
06-27-2012, 11:30 AM
Did anyone ever get mad at Ozzie Smith?

I did. But it was for stealing Larkin's gold hardware.

powersackers
06-27-2012, 11:46 AM
It's less about Gomez and more about Morgan. To be certain you'd have to ask AC and bullpen and they'd have to be honest about it, but watch Morgan's catch on MLB.com and decide for yourself.

Nyjer Morgan pointed right at the Reds bullpen and Chapman after making a catch off the bat of Cozart. I guarantee after that show, the guys in the bullpen were reminded and talked about Carlos Gomez's double somersault after catching a sinking liner last year. AC was just returning the show boat mentality. Of course we're better than that according to Baker and the clubhouse, but still it was hilarious.

traderumor
06-27-2012, 11:56 AM
Did anyone ever get mad at Ozzie Smith?
Larkin did backflips onto the field also.

traderumor
06-27-2012, 11:57 AM
Also, the context of the pundits is initial reaction, which you can see produces a mixed bag, and Dusty is just giving the party line.

Raisor
06-27-2012, 11:58 AM
I'm not sure what Dusty is taling about, I'm certainly not "better then that"

reds44
06-27-2012, 12:24 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19430341/reds-interesting-message-to-chapman-speeding-better-than-somersaulting

My head hurts.

reds44
06-27-2012, 12:25 PM
There is likely more to the story than we all realize.
Or there's not. Hanigan seemed to find it pretty funny.

reds1869
06-27-2012, 12:29 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19430341/reds-interesting-message-to-chapman-speeding-better-than-somersaulting

My head hurts.

Heyman cracks me up. Perhaps the reason the Reds dealt with this and not his off-field incidents is because this actually happened on the field. When is the last time Heyman's employer punished him for a mistake he made at home? There are some professions where off-the-clock infringements are rightly punished (education, law enforcement, etc). Baseball should not be one of them. The level of moralizing in the sports press these days is ridiculous.

oneupper
06-27-2012, 12:34 PM
Heyman cracks me up. Perhaps the reason the Reds dealt with this and not his off-field incidents is because this actually happened on the field. When is the last time Heyman's employer punished him for a mistake he made at home? There are some professions where off-the-clock infringements are rightly punished (education, law enforcement, etc). Baseball should not be one of them. The level of moralizing in the sports press these days is ridiculous.

So, Chapman isn't a ROLL model? :D

RedlegJake
06-27-2012, 12:39 PM
Heyman cracks me up. Perhaps the reason the Reds dealt with this and not his off-field incidents is because this actually happened on the field. When is the last time Heyman's employer punished him for a mistake he made at home? There are some professions where off-the-clock infringements are rightly punished (education, law enforcement, etc). Baseball should not be one of them. The level of moralizing in the sports press these days is ridiculous.

Also what does Heyman know about what the Reds REALLY did behind the scenes to help or deter Chapman with those incidents. There might be more to those stories than anyone knows but the team isn't telling the press. For crying out loud - the press thinks they have the right to know every little detail about everything anymore. Perhaps the Reds were pretty strict with Chapman in private but kept those talks very quiet to avoid embarrassing Chapman. When you are trying to save a young man from himself the worse thing you can do is be confrontational about it - youth being what it is you are likely to make him react the opposite you want. Looks to me the Reds are taking the correct tact - coercional. LOL. The only thing thing that ever worked for me, for my kids or for any teen, or young twenty something I ever met.

traderumor
06-27-2012, 01:06 PM
Heyman flunks his critical thinking exam.

westofyou
06-27-2012, 01:10 PM
Heyman flunks his critical thinking exam.

He's a putz, easily the most boring of the major beat writers in the game, just a big sack of yawn.

RichRed
06-27-2012, 01:39 PM
Our IT team just completed a major rollout. To celebrate, I did two somersaults in the aisle (which is no small feat, to be sure).

Since then, the network engineers have been giving me dirty looks. I fear for my internet connec

Pure gold!

I thought the rolls were pretty funny, if a little awkward. Part of the reason for all the attention, I think, is that nobody's ever seen a pitcher do that before. If he had pounded his chest, pointed to the sky, or pumped his fist, there'd be nary a blip from all the self-appointed arbiters of good taste like that dope Heyman.

I was just so happy the Reds won, he could've danced "The Hustle" for all I cared.

jojo
06-27-2012, 03:09 PM
Has Skip Bayliss put his two cents in yet?

Yes. He thinks Chapman has more heart than LeBron.

edabbs44
06-27-2012, 03:15 PM
Or there's not. Hanigan seemed to find it pretty funny.

Baker, Votto and Bruce didn't. Or so I read.

RedRoser
06-27-2012, 03:34 PM
I don't in any way see how that could be demeaning/showing up the other team. The guy is just celebrating on a personal level after a much needed save. Fun is supposed to be a part of the game. When did the self-appointed baseball police decide to take any and all fun out of baseball? :confused:

_Sir_Charles_
06-27-2012, 03:43 PM
I don't in any way see how that could be demeaning/showing up the other team. The guy is just celebrating on a personal level after a much needed save. Fun is supposed to be a part of the game. When did the self-appointed baseball police decide to take any and all fun out of baseball? :confused:

If he was mocking Carlos Gomez's play from last year it most certainly could be viewed as demeaning and showing up a team. But it's just speculation that was what he was doing. I don't know of ANYBODY who in a fit of celebratory glee...rolls around on the ground. I think it was a humorous poke at Gomez.

Tom Servo
06-27-2012, 04:00 PM
Well there didn't seem to be any bad blood today between the Reds and Brewers. I think we can put the case to bed for now.

powersackers
06-27-2012, 04:05 PM
He's a putz, easily the most boring of the major beat writers in the game, just a big sack of yawn.

He is one of the only people on Twitter I have ever Unfollowed - after the Braun aquital. I let CBS know about it to. Not that they did anything...

Brutus
06-27-2012, 04:46 PM
He is one of the only people on Twitter I have ever Unfollowed - after the Braun aquital. I let CBS know about it to. Not that they did anything...

Not that I am a Heyman fan, but what did he do in the Braun case that was so objectionable?

MikeThierry
06-27-2012, 05:43 PM
I don't see the big deal here. Yes, it's immature. However, he did against the team that has no room to talk when it comes to antics. Untucking shirts, beast mode, celebrating like Fielder was a bowling ball knocking over bowling pins. The Brewers set the standard for in game antics. Giving them a taste of their own medicine is welcomed, in my opinion.

Redhook
06-27-2012, 09:32 PM
I wish more baseball players did somersaults. Chapman's manly roll kind of reminded me the fight scene somersault in Dumb and Dumber. I thought it was funny and harmless. Those who think this is a big deal need to get a life. Baseball players should be allowed to have some fun every now and then.

powersackers
06-27-2012, 09:58 PM
Not that I am a Heyman fan, but what did he do in the Braun case that was so objectionable?

I'll PM a link I'd I can find it.

REDblooded
06-27-2012, 10:01 PM
I don't see the big deal here. Yes, it's immature. However, he did against the team that has no room to talk when it comes to antics. Untucking shirts, beast mode, celebrating like Fielder was a bowling ball knocking over bowling pins. The Brewers set the standard for in game antics. Giving them a taste of their own medicine is welcomed, in my opinion.


Didn't your Cardinals have a Nyjer issue in the past season?

REDblooded
06-27-2012, 10:19 PM
Didn't your Cardinals have a Nyjer issue in the past season?


Ahhh yes... This was probably Carps fault though...

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/mlb...b_1&mode=video (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_09_07_milmlb_slnmlb_1&mode=wrap&c_id=mlb#gid=2011_09_07_milmlb_slnmlb_1&mode=video)

Vs Marlins: <embed src="http://cnettv.cnet.com/av/video/cbsnews/atlantis2/cbsnews_player_embed.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" background="#333333" width="425" height="279" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" FlashVars="si=254&contentValue=50092489&shareUrl=http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6829115n" />


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I'm not here to fix crappy embedding from another message board that uses the same host as this message board... Copy/paste and watch...

MikeThierry
06-27-2012, 10:26 PM
Didn't your Cardinals have a Nyjer issue in the past season?

haha yeah. Remember he called Pujols, Alberta and angered Carp. I would even go so far to say he was the catalyst as to why the Cardinals went on their run. He said something to the effect of "have fun watching us on the couch in the playoffs". Almost to the day he said that, the Cards went on their epic run.

REDblooded
06-27-2012, 10:28 PM
haha yeah. Remember he called Pujols, Alberta and angered Carp. I would even go so far to say he was the catalyst as to why the Cardinals went on their run. He said something to the effect of "have fun watching us on the couch in the playoffs". Almost to the day he said that, the Cards went on their epic run.

Here you go...

http://tippingpitchers.com/showthread.php?t=82250

MikeThierry
06-27-2012, 10:54 PM
Here you go...

http://tippingpitchers.com/showthread.php?t=82250

Wow he's a real tool. I don't know how the Brewers can put up with his antics.

REDblooded
06-27-2012, 11:14 PM
Wow he's a real tool. I don't know how the Brewers can put up with his antics.


They do beast mode, synchronized walk-off celebrations, mascot twirly slides, and pre-game sausage...

It's Wisconsin... Anybody hoping for more than homerism, funny accents, and 10 point bucks is left to be sadly disappointed come Halloween...

MikeThierry
06-27-2012, 11:35 PM
They do beast mode, synchronized walk-off celebrations, mascot twirly slides, and pre-game sausage...

It's Wisconsin... Anybody hoping for more than homerism, funny accents, and 10 point bucks is left to be sadly disappointed come Halloween...

hahaha great points. This is the same ball club that had a fake character from Monster's Inc. throw out the first pitch in one of their playoff games rather than someone like Hank Aaron. That single move foreshadowed their demise in the playoffs in my opinion.

kaldaniels
06-28-2012, 01:02 AM
I'm just saying, but I've seen some pictures of this that would make a nice avatar...

WebScorpion
06-28-2012, 10:55 AM
I think it was just his way of saying 'Hey, roll dis!'. :ughmamoru: